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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 19 2015 23:55 GMT
#1281
Fecalfeast

Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny...

Refs in this game are blind
On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now.
On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet

I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.

town:
ritoky
trfel
nocturne

mafia:
moose
ve


that's all I got
On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him
On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him

why?

He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel
On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote

I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town.
On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 17 2015 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Also, Fecalfeast, I believe you have zero scum reads right now?

Do you plan on doing something about that in the near future?

VE went from scum to null but sure.

What are you even asking here?

"FF you gonna keep playing?"
You had two scumreads, VisceraEyes and MoosyDoosy. You're no longer scumreading both of them.

I was just wanting your thoughts on that, that's all.

How much past experience do you have with MoosyDoosy?

Anyway, off to my exam.

I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play.

That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame.


Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey
On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5
On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again
On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo.

Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later.
On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him.

2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday.

3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring.

On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho
On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge.


*assuming farah's claim was real
On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel

So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts.

1. Whoever posts is town
  • Disformation from mafia to null (?) for this post
  • VisceraEyes from mafia to null due to interacting with him
  • MoosyDoosy town for being completely obnoxious
  • Backs off on Trfel because he is angry
Furthermore, all of these are really, really weak. One by one:

The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again?

The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all.

For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later.

At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry".

Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!"

2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target

Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town.

At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads.

Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented.

The progression is basically:
  • MoosyDoosy is scum
  • MoosyDoosy could do this as town
  • I'm going to vote MoosyDoosy just because
  • Scott31337 could be mafia, I could lynch him
  • MoosyDoosy should be dealt with sooner rather than later
  • Votes for scott31337 at deadline
Which makes no sense. Fecalfeast doesn't are at all about his vote. And why should he, when it's between two town players?

3. Other factors

I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay.

Conclusion

Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 00:03 GMT
#1282
Not bad, another case on a town player helps me like you
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 20 2015 00:06 GMT
#1283
##vote Fecalfeast

Yup.

I guess Fecalfeast is never mafia, because he doesn't have any scumreads, so he can't ever be wrong. Because being wrong makes you scum.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 20 2015 00:10 GMT
#1284
Okay, I need to head out now, and then I'd really better study. The impact that this game has had on my studying has already been way too large.

But if you lynch me instead of Fecalfeast, after what I've laid out on a silver platter, then I actually have no words.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 00:33 GMT
#1285
Never said I played well, just that you made a case on town
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 01:42 GMT
#1286
Yo, FF any suspects outside Breshke and Trfel?
Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke.
And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads?

Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in:
On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy.

And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long?

I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM.

Use a bit of sense.


so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense?
I always give replacements a day pass.

There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before.

I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1.

MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end.

By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 01:45 GMT
#1287
Hey breshke if you're around at all, you said to VE
On November 17 2015 07:48 Breshke wrote:


Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Fecalfeast

JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!!


FF's filter isnt actually as bad as i thought so he isn't actually in the same tier as moosy but his play still feels lazy even for him. So would still lynch until he comes back and has a chat.



And I decided to go back and check what you were basing this on.

Timestamp (on my screen): November 16 2015 14:48 PST

So I click my filter, literally ONLY the first page of my filter comes before this time.

Timestamp of the first post on page 2 of my filter: November 16 2015 14:55 PST

So from my entrance post to the end of page 1 of my filter is 11 posts.

I know it's in the distant past at this point but could you maybe try and remember what it is you liked about those posts?

I know a few posts later you say you're ok with lynching me but it's only because I'm "still being lazy"

On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:
FF still being lazy so would lynch.

Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage.


and you say the bolded about scott.

Then your next post is asking me what I think of scott.
On November 17 2015 09:28 Breshke wrote:
FF look at scotts and tell me what you think.

Farah if moosey acted like this last game as town couldnt you say it would be a good idea for him to act this way as scum this game?


So you're more inclined to lynch moose or me over scott, citing that you're waiting for a big thought dump from scott. You ask me what I think of scott, I come to the conclusion that I think scott is mafia.
On November 17 2015 10:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 10:25 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again


yea the "i understand trfel's case and am considering it" into no unvote of trfel or immediate reaction is kinda a ???? moment.

plus i have a lot of TRs

Too many TRs. I imagine there's one of the really good players as scum or it's a really obvious/lurky team


Hm, which town reads do you feel strong / not strong about?
scott is not strong since he has 0/5 stars on his filter I guess?

scott is mafia imo


So scott makes a post about moose being a trash monster and you decide you want to kill him more than both moose and myself, citing that he made a cop-out post to talk about moose.
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote:
Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?

What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?


I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him".

IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc
Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads).

I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia?
On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!

##Unvote

I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.

The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.

So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.


Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise?
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
Yes, he did.



On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'm awake,

Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.

1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.

2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.

3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.

4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.

I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.

Posts like this make Farah Mafia.

And NM is town.


On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote:
No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.

So frustrating


His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool.

On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.

And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.

I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage.


See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay?

I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this.

##Unvote

I may be back later, or on tomorrow.





So that post puts him above both myself and moose? To the point where breshke scolds moose for possibly being town?

On November 17 2015 23:28 Breshke wrote:
##Vote MoosyDoosy

Does anyone have anything to ask me i got held up at work and its 1am here and will probably go to sleep soon and will most likely not be here until after deadline.



nope?

Then he misses deadline.

On November 18 2015 13:32 Breshke wrote:
Hi im here and catching up my keyboard is a bit wonky atm so i might be even more illiterate than normal.

Moosey do you think I am town or mafia?


This is first post after the lynch of scott.

Asking the person he voted about his opinion.

This filter feels so random to me. I'd really like breshke to explain some of his thought process on day 1.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 01:46 GMT
#1288
i kinda changed point of view in that post lol, started out talking TO breshke then ABOUT breshke, oh well..
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 01:51 GMT
#1289
On November 20 2015 10:42 disformation wrote:
Yo, FF any suspects outside Breshke and Trfel?
Also would like for you to explain why you prefer lynching Breshke.
And furthermore... do you have any solid town reads?

Trfel: am I right to assume that you have a solid TR on the ppl not mentioned in:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:
On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:
Like, I'm pouring so much time into this game. During my exam week, when I said I'd be busy.

And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long?

I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM.

Use a bit of sense.


so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense?
I always give replacements a day pass.

There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before.

I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1.

MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end.

By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned.

I'm not gonna make up scumreads. I haven't reread you, I haven't reread eversince, I haven't reread shining and I haven't reread moose but those are people I would look at.

Towny:
NM, ritoky

townlean based on real time reading:
disform
damdred(did he reject the vet claim? I didn't see)

?????????
moose
ever
shining

scummy
trfel
breshke


This list is hardly informed I've only been diving a couple filters
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 01:51 GMT
#1290
I keep waffling over whether the D1 bullshit from moose was a ridiculous play as mafia.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 01:56 GMT
#1291
So ff you don't believe the vigilante claim?

And I stand by my claim.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 02:00 GMT
#1292
I actually like ff post about breshke
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 02:10 GMT
#1293
Kinda flabbergasted about FF suddenly doing stuff. I like the post about Breshke and that he gives the read he has instead of reaching for stuff.

For Moosy... do his reads evolve? I kinda feel like he has the same reads all game. He called farah and me scum since D1.
Also:
On November 19 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Small thoughts on VE/geript. We definitely have a vigilante here.

There is little reason for Mafia to have killed VE so geript was definitely the shot. I won't delve too much into NK WIFOM right now as I want to pursue my scum read but he was looking into Trfel and Breshke.

I'm actually kind of glad VE died because I wasn't sure how to read him and he really dropped off. That was an okay vigilante action.


He only started looking into Breshke and Trfel after Farah became unavailable as lynch due to being uncc:
On November 19 2015 08:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm going to look into Breshke and Trfel. Farah is still scummy as fuck but it would be best to keep her around for one more day and see what she does especially if she's un cc'd.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 20 2015 02:13 GMT
#1294
Nevermind the first quote, 3 AM here and I fail at reading.
Still would nice to hear opinions on the rest as I fear that I might be somewhat biased regarding my sweetheart.

Will be on phone a bunch tomorrow. Should be back home around 4 hours b4 deadline.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 02:13 GMT
#1295
oh right.

I'm totally smart and remember moose's vig claim.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2015 02:13 GMT
#1296
pretty good post by trfel about ff. + trfel angry might mean trfel the town out of trfel/breshke and i was just wrong.

pretty good post by ff about breshke. hate that it took a good case on him to prompt it though.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 02:26 GMT
#1297
What can I say I'm a narcissist
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2015 02:26 GMT
#1298
oh right
##unvote
##vote breshke
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 20 2015 03:24 GMT
#1299
I like how of all people, Fecalfeast chose to make a post on Breshke.

The person suspected by nearly everyone in the game, the person who hasn't posted in 24 hours.

If that's not the easiest push in the world, then I don't know what is.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 20 2015 03:57 GMT
#1300
So who's the last two scum if its ff trfel?
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