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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 20:00 GMT
#861
YOLO O GOD SUDDEN TOWNFEELS

##unvote
##vote: moosydoosy
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 17 2015 20:05 GMT
#871
going back to sleep, feel free to yell at me geript this is like 30% my fault. also wish scott had been here 2 mins earlier might have been able to shenannie save him.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 05:41 GMT
#921
i am in a poor mood atm.

just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 05:53 GMT
#926
re: moosy's case

1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI

2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.

3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.

4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.

5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.

6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 05:56 GMT
#927
On November 18 2015 14:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote:
i am in a poor mood atm.

just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit.

which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up.


the one that isn't a copy of my post about disform.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 05:58 GMT
#928
On November 18 2015 14:40 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 04:24 ritoky wrote:
i think you're town, but w/o reading i don't really have reason to think breshke is mafia outside of not TRing him...where is the reasons?

This is pretty odd because in a short time frame a town buddy will generally sheep a good player who's a townread to vote for someone who isn't a town read.


On November 18 2015 05:05 ritoky wrote:
going back to sleep, feel free to yell at me geript this is like 30% my fault. also wish scott had been here 2 mins earlier might have been able to shenannie save him.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:06 GMT
#930
On November 18 2015 15:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote:
re: moosy's case

1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI

2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.

3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.

4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.

5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.

6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.

1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there.

3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time.

4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred.

6) Alright, I'll look for it later.


1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse.

4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:16 GMT
#932
On November 18 2015 15:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 15:06 ritoky wrote:
On November 18 2015 15:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote:
re: moosy's case

1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI

2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.

3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.

4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.

5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.

6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.

1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there.

3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time.

4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred.

6) Alright, I'll look for it later.


1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse.

4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think?

1) meh
4) no, not really. She was driving the scott lynch and asked for votes to switch onto scott, so saying right before the lynch "he's gonna flip town!" is so bad. The only explanation is that she was trying to seem townie from it, but she forgot how she was driving part of the scott lynch and had explicitly stated before that she wouldn't care if he died.


i suppose. i know when i was starting out as mafia someone got me cold with the fake remorse read so much so that i had to NK them, so it isn't that unlikely.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:19 GMT
#933
also when's the statute of limitations on being a dick to ever for not being here/doing anything? i mean i know the situation...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:23 GMT
#934
anywayz i just read breshke's post, and it left me with 1 burning question: who are the next 2 on your mafia list?

from what i can tell he agrees with moosy a lot on disform and farah; but a lot of that isn't fully his own thoughts. he also thinks moosy and shining are town. so who are the next 2 and why?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:29 GMT
#936
moosy do you have a strong opinion on breshke? assuming town since both your scum reads were quick to hop on him for mediocre at best reasons?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:53 GMT
#938
i just really don't like shining this game and i am kinda sad my push on him went nowhere....i think his post before the deadline is particularly dumpster.

On November 18 2015 04:59 The Shining wrote:
Rushing this post so people know where my head is at. Geript is townlean for referring to meta notes and looking at play objectively to change his reads in a way I can explain. I might have been pocketed because it bumped me up a notch when he did that but w.e, it is what it is. Ritoky is a question mark but on the town side of null for his acivity and questioning. But he posted a town case on VE and a long null case on disfo, which felt kind of weird to me. But not a good or viable lynch for d1 anyway so yeah. NM is pretty much lock town. Good questioning following an understandable train of thought and referring to posts. Maybe I'm just a sucker for someone who makes their posts easy to read.

I wish VE was here because skimming through his filter, I still have my doubts about him over the early ES/Farrah stuff but some of his posts I cant find mafia motivation for so I want his thoughts on how EoD is shaping up.

I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise.

Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him.

Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk.

I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town.

Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott.

Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this.

TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2.

##Vote:Scott31337

Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance


- 3 obvious reads geript, me, nm -> town i think pretty much every single person in the game knows this so it's really easy to make and i find them overexplained

- i doubt VE, but maybe town, but want his thoughts, but hid this in a giant post so he will never notice it, but haven't tried to ping him or talked about his activity dropoff. poop read

- "i don't want to lynch scott, but vote scott cuz stuff" could very well be the old classic TMI "he look guys i was hesitating so don't blame me fully" bit.

- hey everybody i am still scum reading the only person in the thread who cannot rebut me. notice me senpai a bit

- moosy is the other wagon and he did anti-town stuff but let me vote the guy i have reservations about.

- the posts he likes about farrah are the ones i hate

- scott not trying to solve the game -> scum lean; ff not trying to solve the game -> town lean; SENSE

- trfel has been going hard on 1 of your 3 town reads....and that's an improvement? this needs sum splaining

- trying to play switzerland on disfo

i mean at the end of that i basically learned that everything read he gave is full over indecision and caveats. like he doesn't believe anything strongly except that ever who is perpetual afk atm is mafia for some reason that no one in the game seems to understand except him. like why does anyone TR this guy?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 06:55 GMT
#939
every read he gave is full of indecision and caveats.*

jesus my engrish rite nao
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 07:02 GMT
#940
also if we have a cop, do whatever you want....but really check ever since pretty much only way to resolve alignment atm
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 21:55 GMT
#1046
On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.

You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.

We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.

Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante

FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently.


so what you're saying is you know VE was the vigi shot and not geript? how?

also who the fuck shoots ve or geript as vigi....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 21:58 GMT
#1050
vigi should just claim. only 1 of 2 setups are possible now, vigi + doc or vigi + vet. in both you are just flat confirmed town and in the vigi + doc setup you're confirmed town who is basically guaranteed alive tomorrow. there's no real reason to not claim unless you're trying a "gotcha" cc...which isn't smart.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 22:02 GMT
#1053
On November 19 2015 07:00 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote:
On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.

You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.

We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.

Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante

FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently.


Sorry not sure how I missed this.

I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that.


I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo.

I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter.

The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows.

The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility.


The ritoky comment is good, IMO, because he hard towned both VE and geript iirc. So why would he vig either of them? And his last post saying vigging either was dumb makes it moot since its pretty obvs he isn't the Vig then


except it implies she knows VE was the vigi shot and not geript. TMI as fuck.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 22:06 GMT
#1056
On November 19 2015 07:00 NocturneMage wrote:
given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss.


it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. if she's the vigi there's no point to say anything but "i'm the vigi". if she is the doctor she just signed her death warrant. if she's veteran there's a guaranteed roleblocker and in most setups that counters vet protection so she is dead anyway unless we lynch exactly the RB today. if she's mafia being obtuse about it is less encouraging of a cc from blues, but she isn't an auto-lynch atm so claiming this early is.....idk it all just confuses me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 22:12 GMT
#1059
On November 19 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Never killing me


eh she might be blue.....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 18 2015 22:13 GMT
#1060
On November 19 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote:
The fact that she claimed, but didn't bother going through MoosyDoosy's case point by point is really, really suspicious.

I know I'm not the only one who asked for that.

Would FarahBlackwing fakeclaim here as town? I would think not, but am I wrong?


she is a new player, they are more prone to get ants in their pants and claim stupidly or too early than to make a fake claim that they know will get them into a screaming match w/ 40+ hours left in the day....unless you're me and fake claim cop your 2nd game ever.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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