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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 20:57 GMT
#1882
my D1 and N1 were kinda terrible though. I felt like I had to relearn a few things I had simply forgotten during my absence.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:00 GMT
#1887
On November 24 2015 05:59 Onegu wrote:
Man am I good at this game


replace in. don't read the game. lynch mafia regardless. win the game.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:02 GMT
#1889
I also feel like vet is a bit of an unfortunate role for a new player, since it is hard for a new player to have such a strong game, that mafia wants to shoot them. For example vet on me would be pretty wasted. Like why would mafia ever shoot waffle boy?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:07 GMT
#1893
On November 24 2015 06:06 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also, it was fun to coach Disinformation. Very active and enthusiastic. I hope you keep playing because you're an enrichment to the site


I enjoyed playing with you as well disformation. Game is much more fun when we're both town. Drink up mate.


Yeah, I had the feeling you enjoy playing town much more than mafia.
Also glad you were on board for this.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:09 GMT
#1895
On November 24 2015 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Has ritoky been here since he got shenani'd?


Don't think so, but he said he had tons of family over for thanksgiving and stuff.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:20 GMT
#1898
On November 24 2015 06:17 NocturneMage wrote:
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On November 24 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:
On November 24 2015 06:04 NocturneMage wrote:
One thing I'd like to ask from more experienced players is vote analysis. That shit still confuses me mostly and any post on it I feel like I have to play 20+ games to really understand how to analyse town and mafia actions from votes.

Like I only knew that late votes = bussing was from experience in newbie 13. My only prior mafia experience was real life and everyone just throws their hands up all at once.

But trying to lay out the votes this game I will say is much much easier with the tracker but even then it's hard to tell timing motivations, even with Shining's statements on number of switches, I would have never picked up on ritoky's switching as a bad thing.

are there any guides or anything to try and pick up voting analysis? it seems so effective but so difficult to understand. fuck.
It requires a ton of context. Just looking at the vote count isn't good enough, you have to consider the vote count and the thread sentiment at the time when the votes in question were made.

Once you do that, it's actually really simple. You just look at the motivation and the implications of each vote, how the wagons are changing, and what the result of that is.

Or you can ask ritoky, he has some really special voting analysis tricks, but I doubt he's willing to share XD


nah, I get it. I'd like one more game where I can get coaching on voting analysis specifically even if I am an open player. either that or a guide or something but at least this gives me a rough start.

I think for the most part I looked town enough to not get lynched, it seems like people would have just fear/tinfoil lynched me in mylo, and I felt I have made good points and read carefully all game. so that was somewhat concerning.

at least if nothing else reading mafia qt, you people were threatened by me to the point you almost shot me night 1 over moosy. so I think I did something right.

and for the people tinfoiling me as scum (lol Fecalfeast) I don't know what to say. my first game I read HTS's scum games when I was drawn as scum, but that didn't help me any, I think I just need more experience, but then again she has a different approach to playing scum than I do.


Nah, I think you and The Shining were more town than me. So I would have been the last misslynch after FF.
But I am not sure on what mafia had in mind.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 21:46 GMT
#1910
Hm. Farah sounded super frustrated towards the end of her stay here, so I kinda get why she wanted out and why you granted that wish. The timing was a bit unfortunate with her claiming and all, but w/e.
But yeah it seems like activity dropped down a bunch in the time I wasn't here.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 22:23 GMT
#1923
Was there an obs qt? can i haz link?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 22:25 GMT
#1927
On November 24 2015 07:23 scott31337 wrote:
GG good job


sry 4 lynching you. maybe someday I can read you.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 22:29 GMT
#1933
On November 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:
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On November 24 2015 07:23 disformation wrote:
Was there an obs qt? can i haz link?


it was posted at the very bottom of the concession post.


Thanks. Was looking in the OP. xD

On November 24 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
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TalkingDead
11-21-2015
04:42 AM ET (US)

I give you Breshke on a silver platter. I give you Trfel on a silver platter. Just fucking eat you retards.



Oh geript


11/10 points, would sheep dead geript again.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 22:52 GMT
#1939
geript also drops some good wisdom in the obs QT. Would recommend reading it.
Also read through the mafia QT: "disform is so deep in my pocket i can never lynch this guy lol." lmao =D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 23 2015 23:28 GMT
#1944
On November 24 2015 08:22 ritoky wrote:
imo from a mafia strategy perspective on a setup that is m13 vigi + doc/vet vs rb; the ideal line of play is to set up your mafia as follows:

busser - the primary workhorse of your team, needs to be TR early, plans to bus teammate on day 2, will do day 1 if necessary
bussee - person who is least favorably viewed, entire job is to survive to day 2 and get steamrolled by teammate; should try not to get vigi shot and not be an essential role.
survivor - the failsafe, your job is to play the middle, side with the bus on your teammate, and basically be the support and backup win-con if busser gets caught; also may be forced into becoming bussee. kind of your flex player.

for example one of the more clean wins using this method was me, damdred, and GB; GB was the bussee, damdred was the busser, and i was the survivor/flex.

of course every game is different and adaptations are needed, you also have to pick your roles based on how the first 24 hours of the game goes and what perceptions are made unless you wanna force it. but generally speaking in m13 if everyone understands and commits to this method and playing as a team you're gonna get to mylo probably 8 or 9 out of 10 times and then you just need to outplay or have enough cred to win from there.


Hm. Good to know. Will save that somewhere and try to remember it, should I ever manage to roll town.
TBH I so far I have put like 0 thought into long term planing and stuff, so that could screw me over, if I ever mange to roll scum.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 24 2015 16:21 GMT
#1960
On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote:
Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole.


Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 24 2015 16:39 GMT
#1961
On November 25 2015 01:21 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote:
Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole.


Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel.


Eh. Should have phrased that a bit different. Will probably post some more thoughts later on.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 25 2015 17:34 GMT
#1965
On November 25 2015 01:39 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 01:21 disformation wrote:
On November 24 2015 15:48 geript wrote:
Fourth, stop looking at "moments in time" in a player. It doesn't matter who it is, there will always be points to find someone either scummy or towny. In a game of mafia, you can always make a reasonable case for whatever you look for. Look at the sum of a player's game. When you look at Trfel, he's pretty much spent the whole game trying to drag you into talking about useless shit and stagnate discussion in various ways. Ritoky was kinda the same way too. Breshke absolutely was. In general, town overall try to move the game forward somehow. Play the odds and focus on the forest instead of on the trees. There are "little moments" that are major (like ritoky not sheeping), but those should be built into a case on what the player is doing as a whole.


Yeah, this is probably why I got this "can't see the forest for the trees" feeling when looking at Trfel.


Eh. Should have phrased that a bit different. Will probably post some more thoughts later on.


Okay. So.
I think this "can't see the forest for the trees" is like _the_ big thing for me to work on.

Like geript said, there are always trees that look scummy or towny and by focusing too much on the single trees I am bound to get mixed signals all the time. So this is probably what causes me to be waffly all the time. That is probably also the reason why my "cases" also end up as this huge wall of stuff, but most of the time lack a clear conclusion or direction.

That being said, this will be probably a bit hard for me to change, since I feel this detail oriented approach is pretty engrained into my person. But at least I am aware of that now. So I actually learned a lot this game.

Also should stop to refer to myself as "Waffleboy" during the game.

That being sad I don't think my waffling is 100% negative, since it also allows me to randomly escape ritoky's pocket halfway thorugh the game.
Should probably tone it done a bunch, though.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 06 2015 22:01 GMT
#1967
On December 04 2015 06:17 Eversince wrote:
I'm so sorry everyone!

I forgot the timing of events, and my flat-mate needed her laptop back. So I had nothing to use while I was in-patient.
2'nd operation went better than expected. Sadly, the third became really infected. I had got left with option of really bad nerve damage, or removal. I ended up having them take everything from the lower tibia/fibula off. I got stuck with in-patient for a few extra days, but I won't be sufferin' the effects for the rest of my life either.

I'll be down and out for a bit', I suppose. But I'll be back around, when I'm feelin' up to it.
I managed to skim most of this thread though after the fact.
I felt the need to chime in somethin', so people wouldn't worry.


Wow. Nearly missed this. Came back to this to look up on geript's post game advise.
Really, glad to hear back from you and I am sure the others will agree to that!

Sucks to hear that the third op had some complications.
I hope/wish you a speedy recovery, but don't overdo it and rest up properly!
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