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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think explaining my reads on them important at the moment, unless you want to call either of them or me mafia. To be frank, I don't think either of them have any big scummy things at the moment. It's just that the process of elimination is leading me to them so I'd like to know why you think they're clearly town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote: depending on the setup of the game and the structure of PRs, yes. really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a question. Xatalos do you seriously think Blazinghand - as town - believes that lynching by RNG on D1 has the best chances of hitting mafia? Like do you SERIOUSLY believe that? All I can say that he's genuinely pushed that thing in all of his recent town games... And said that he likes the idea in those games... It's not like I think it's the way to go myself, except for the fun factor I guess, but he really seems to like that as town. At least as a discussion starter / fall-back option  What's more, it would really be terrible to do as scum. Think about it... If the RNG hit your teammate, you'd be in an extremely bad position. You'd have to pressure your teammate all D1, quite likely making him falter in some way, in the worst case revealing both of you at the same time. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote: Here's a better question imo: do you really think that BH would have a problem arguing the benefits of RNG lynch as mafia? He wouldn't have any problem doing that at all, given that he's done the exact same thing many times before and RNG lynch is by definition completely independent of BH's alignment. Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:34 Xatalos wrote: Well, read my last post.... Also, like I said, even if it might sound good in theory, he hasn't done that so far in his scumgames and it wouldn't probably be as easy in practise ESPECIALLY if the RNG hit his teammate. Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment? Do you feel like i feel pressured? Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you feel like Blazinghand is pressuring me at the moment? Do you feel like i feel pressured? Do you thin kanyone whould feel pressured if the rng landed on them? Well, you did react a bit when you entered the thread. I think someone less experienced could well fall into panic as scum. In my first Mafia game there was a random vote pile on my teammate and he basically revealed himself by reacting weirdly. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: really? when he himself just argued it's less likely to hit mafia then not rng lycnhing? it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. it's actually really simple. i mean i guess it's pretty simple for me cuz i read like 10 of BH's games in the recent past so i could accurately impersonate him. here's your guide to reading BH: Did he RNG immediately @ the start of the game: if yes -> 80% chance to be town; if no -> 80% chance to be mafia Did he push the RNG target or just leave it there like a dead fish: if push -> 95% chance to be town; if dead fish - 50% chance to be mafia Did he gather reads from people arguing with him about why they are better than RNG: yes - DING DING DING town; i don't know he hasn't given reads - 75% town; no - 50% town | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote: Well, you did react a bit when you entered the thread. I think someone less experienced could well fall into panic as scum. In my first Mafia game there was a random vote pile on my teammate and he basically revealed himself by reacting weirdly. okay who would you say in this game would feel pressured, as in who are these "new scum players" you would refer to here? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote: it's actually equally as likely, so i disagree with your premise entirely. It's actually not. Mafia players are lynched 26.0% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 25.2% of the time. Mafia players are lynched only 16.4% of the time in newbie games on day one, so excluding these games brings the overall day one lynch percentage up to 28.1%! I believe this is not a newbie game so you are just straight out lying. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay who would you say in this game would feel pressured, as in who are these "new scum players" you would refer to here? gumshoe at least? What I've seen of his scumplay, it's extremely lacking. Not too sure about how good each player's scumgame is in this game. Well, it's a good point that if the scumteam was something like BH/rayn/marv, then it wouldn't be very risky at all. Still, even an experienced player might make some sort of weird reaction if he's never before been in a similar situation. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On October 22 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote: generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta. So you said he doesn't rng as mafia. Now you said if BH rng's he is 80% town. Does he or does he not rng as mafia? Because if he doesn't, why is he not 100% town? If he does, why is your read on him shit? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's actually not. I believe this is not a newbie game so you are just straight out lying. 2.9% is within the margin of error to where it is negligible. also those statistics include the RNG user including themself in the RNG rather than excluding. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:40 Hopeless1der wrote: ritoky, where do you stand on gumshoe? he types walls of text that glaze my eyes over. i thought he was mafia feels at the start, then he gave a respectable read progression on me and climbed up to null. i have 0 strong opinions on him now. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 23 2015 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you said he doesn't rng as mafia. Now you said if BH rng's he is 80% town. Does he or does he not rng as mafia? Because if he doesn't, why is he not 100% town? If he does, why is your read on him shit? read my above post, it is a comprehensive guide to reading BH. | ||
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