EPT[T] Cell (Mini?) Mafia III
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On August 08 2014 05:07 kushm4sta wrote: I don't really get the mayor mechanic. It seems like there is a theoretically best way to order the groups. The groups with the least activity go first. So what is the point of the mayor deciding them? isn't the best way to order groups literally the opposite of this | ||
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D E A B C This is because we want put off C and B, which contain high activity players, to the end. We want informed and loud players guiding the lynches as long as possible. D is most likely to be awful with mtamburini and 2 smurfs, and E is only marginally better, but I trust 27nb to put out some decent posting levels. I'm not as familiar with rito and batsnacks, but I carry some weight so my group will be third, and C and B with the heavy hitters who can lead a town for 4-5 lynches will be last where they belong. TL/DR vote me if you wand DEABC order, it's the best because it keeps the players who are noteworthy for their ability to lead towns (marv is the best example of this) alive for as long as possible. Bear in mind that scum will want us to go through the groups that have potentially valuable townies in them first, since once a cell is done it's all over A vote for BH is a vote for DEABC | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:40 Holyflare wrote: Like BH just flat out said he wants the people that can lead town last but doesn't even contemplate that they could be mafia? Only one person per group is mafia, so I don't see the problem. Even if Marv is mafia it's not like there's any chance he'd be lynched if his group went first ANYWAYS. The only way scum marv would get lynched is if his group went last and people had time to figure out his alignment. Look, In every game, scum always wants to shoot marv right away cause that's how dangeorus he is. if you really think that he shouldn't be in the very last group, that's your own prerogative, but I'm not convinced just based on "well, marv could be mafia", which is a statement that could be applied to anyone. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:43 Amiko wrote: @BH: I do not disagree with the logic behind the ordering, but you ignore what (I think) is more important - that we are guaranteed to reach at least Day 3, but not Day 5. So let me ask you this - which groups do you think are likely to be the easiest to read? The hardest? This is a valid point. I expect the smurf group to be hard to read regardless, whether it goes first or last. Honestly, given that we could potentially lose after the third lynch, which group goes 4th vs which group goes 5th is potentially irrelevant. The important thing is, I don't want me, marv, wos, or HF to be in the front 2 groups. I'd like all of us to be alive when we're tlaking about who to lynch out of the third group, because I think that having certain town organizers alive at the first potential LYLO is good. I would be surprised if group D or E improved iwth time and became more legible. They're liabilities regardless, and honestly, if we're gonna mislynch into those two groups and one other group, the order doesn't matter, except that if we put them first we lose a little faster. The ADVANTAGE of putting them first is that our strong players get to live longer, and either lead the town, or prove themselves town. A guy like me or marv, when playing scum, never gets caught D1 or D2. Even in the event a vet I'm tlaking about here is scum, it's still better to put them later because we'd never catch them unless we had time to hear them talk more. it's a good point though. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:48 Not really holyflare wrote: Thats why we go DACBE. C for guaranteed 1 scum lynch (unless marv derps) while A and D goes first. B for more risks and E being the most risky group to lynch into. I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day. However, this statement intrigues me. Why do we have a guaranteed scum lynch in C? | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:54 Amiko wrote: @BH: I feel like your ordering is strongly based on the idea that marv will lead lynches in a good way / scumhunt well. But, even under that approach isn't it beneficial to put Cell C before D5? That way at least there's some indication as to the authenticity of marv's reads. You mean something like DEACB? It's plausible, and I would not be opposed to it. Why don't you run on the DEACB platform, and I'll run on DEABC, and I promise to throw my votes your way if you're ahead of me close to the deadline (and vice versa) so that a DEA B/C order wins? | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:58 Not really holyflare wrote: No. C goes 3rd as that is the most pro town way to do it. C literally have the highest % chance to catch scum. A literally dont have as high of a chance. We don't need a 3 - 0 scum sweep. 3-1 is at least less embarrassing. 3-1 and 3-0 are both the same, which is a loss. I don't give a shit how we lose if we lose, I care about maximizing our chance to win. There's no honor or sportsmanship or bullshit like that in mafia, only winning and losing. The sooner you learn that the sooner you'll be good at this game like me. | ||
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look, all this idea of ordering which groups are easy and which are hard is bullshit. If we're gonna mislynch 3 times, we're gonna mislynch 3 times regardless of the order, unless we optimize our order for who stays alive the longest and which groups will become more readable with time The idea of putting a group in the back because it's hard to read isn't sensible, you only do this if you expect the group to become easier to read over time, or you want to preserve those voices to be around for a long time. NRHF's order would have marv, wos, hf, and me all silent during days 4 and 5. sure, it's possible it's irrelevant either way, and we'll win or lose after only 3 days, but the point remains. You guys are all thinking about this SO wrongly it HURTS. Don't order groups based on how easy it is to read them, or how likely we are to get a town or scum lynch, order them on which groups would benefit (ie it would be easier to find scum in them) from more time, and which voices you want to keep alive for a long time. If Marv is scum, we want him alive for 5 days so we can figure him out, and if he's town, we want him alive for 5 days so he can figure out the game. DO NOT OPTIMIZE FOR FRONTLOADING EASY LYNCHES. Instead, frontload lynches that will not benefit from the people being alive multiple days. Smurfs and low-activity players don't get more legible as time goes on. Marv? WoS? HF? Me? Do. We're the leaders. Put us in the back. Sheesh. It's like nobody here even thinks remotely rationally about what setup is the best. I know you guys have critical thinking skills. You play mafia, you must. USE them. | ||
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DEABC! DEABC! DEABC! | ||
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At least you guys got the last 2 right. | ||
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the fact of the matter is, in pregame I wasn't really apyint attention and wrote a post that seems ok on its surface, but when you pay attention is obviously false then when the game starts and it's important to actually win, i figure out the optimal strategy and tell you nitwits to use it, and somehow that's scummy if you want to lynch me for that, I am ocmpetely ok with that. I will do nothing. lync me lynch me for figuring out a good strategy you can apologize to me in the post game | ||
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boew down before your master hgrit your teeth and pretend to hate me but in your heart you know I am right | ||
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On August 29 2014 21:50 marvellosity wrote: So far you've been in the thread on two distinct occasions since a few people voted for you. Funnily enough, you never proffered a sliver of advice on who is mafia, whether it be from your group or the game. "you know i am right" right about what? You've not said anything to be right about. That's the problem. Sorry, I'm moving to a new place this weekend and am like busy for the past 24 hours and the next 24 hours. You'll note, for example, that I didn't even vote in the mayoral election. Yup, this is an IRL excuse, but it also happens to be true. I know nothing about batsnacks and ritoky and haven't read their filters so I have no information to offer about them. Sorry! | ||
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