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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 22 2015 20:57 GMT
#601
On October 23 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because yamato is town.


Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw

From the post you quoted and the post before that.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 20:57 GMT
#602
On October 23 2015 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless could you play properly and post more of your thoughts.
Like i am pretty sure you are town but i am also pretty sure you're gonna get lynched because other people do not know why you are town and nothing i say can possibly change that.


So why is he town?

Maybe you should let me deal with that...actually something you posted bothered me

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:33 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is absolutely nothing alignment indicative in your rng Blazinghand, you know it, everyone should know it. "Figuring out" something regarding it is a waste of time.


Well it's kind of like... Imagine player X. He has a great record of posting a lengthy introduction post as scum when he starts the game, and as town he's so far just immediately jumped in and started posting actual content. Now in a current game he immediately makes a lengthy introduction post.

Could he have done it as town to make himself harder to read? Possibly. But I'd still take into account that maybe the meta is repeating itself, no?

And if you read my posts, it's not just that about Blazinghand, but more like how he was so excited about the RNG when he's several times before said that it's pro-town. It would be harder to convey that excitement as scum when he think it's so pro-town clearly.

It reads like "lengthy introduction == scum" but BH is not scum because he's excited? What did I miss here?


That X thing was a hypothetical scenario, only related to BH in the sense that meta shouldn't be entirely discarded even if good players are well capable of "breaking meta".
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 20:58 GMT
#603
On October 23 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because yamato is town.


Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw

From the post you quoted and the post before that.


? :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 22 2015 20:59 GMT
#604
just so im clear, what is your current read of BH, Xata? town/null/scum?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
October 22 2015 20:59 GMT
#605
On October 23 2015 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 05:52 Onegu wrote:
On October 23 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Onegu i just tell you who to lynch and then you vote for them, right.
I don't have to tell you anything.



NONONO

Its the other way around. I tell you who to vote. And tell you its one of my "gut reads" and you vote them.

You have to actually provide reasons. I dont.

But this response and the one before it are from a town rayn most likely lol.


Are you trying to get spite lynched? I may not be the most suited to make threats, but if you continue to play up the bravado without contributing I will fully support lynching you.



Then I am looking forward to it my friend.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:00 GMT
#606
Slam... Damn Slam :D He truly fooled me last game, so I'll refrain from townreading him as easily this time around.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:01 GMT
#607
On October 23 2015 05:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
just so im clear, what is your current read of BH, Xata? town/null/scum?


Town? Like I explained, and also he made some good posts in the recent pages. Better than his RNG stuff actually, in the sense of establishing his innocence.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 22 2015 21:04 GMT
#608
Ritoky, what's your read on gumshoe now?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:07 GMT
#609
I don't really see the Hopeless townread, rayn? His filter seemed pretty... meaningless, so far.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 22 2015 21:08 GMT
#610
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)

Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.
table for two on a tv tray
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:11 GMT
#611
damn, sorry slam. didn't know me acting like you at times took the fire out of it for you. i will stop so it can be your thing again. my b yo was just having fun with it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:12 GMT
#612
On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)

Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.


So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:14 GMT
#613
Truthfully I'd be more interested to understand your incomprehensible reads on yamato and Hopeless....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
October 22 2015 21:14 GMT
#614
on my way home and phoneposting. am i imagining this or dif gb stop posting when i did as well
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 22 2015 21:17 GMT
#615
On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)

Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.


So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum.

Do you understand this is not about Blazinghand but you?

Blazinghand does an rng vote. You townread him for it because you think (1) he wouldn't do that as mafia and (2) he feels excited about it and reasons his rng.

(1) He literally says he could do that as mafia. If he is town here he is telling the truth (because why lie), if he is mafia here, well he did that as mafia. Both of the arguments on his faction should cancel your townread by default.

(2) Blazinghand's argument for why rng is pro-town is literally bullshit and anyone who reads his posts knows that. I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, because he would defend the rng lynch he so likes as either alignment. You however fail to realize his argument for rng lynch being pro-town is literally "rng lynch hits mafia only slightly less than non-rng lynch". In fact, hey.. that makes rng lynch NOT PRO TOWN. This should cancel your townread on him aswell.

Now, why did it not?
table for two on a tv tray
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 22 2015 21:17 GMT
#616
On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)

Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.


So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum.

He's definitely null off of the RNG. Thats the entire point. BH has literally said that you have to look at what he does with it, not the fact that he did it. Once done, he's committed to it, even if (and rayn?) are scum he's trapped. All of his followup with respect to how true and great and protown it is have no bearing on his alignment.

His concern with ritoky pulling up games to draw a conclusion make them both townyish to me, but thats not really much considering the subject matter. BH is firmly null atm.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:17 GMT
#617
On October 23 2015 06:14 Vivax wrote:
on my way home and phoneposting. am i imagining this or dif gb stop posting when i did as well


GB stopping posting when you do means...?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
October 22 2015 21:17 GMT
#618
On October 23 2015 06:14 Xatalos wrote:
Truthfully I'd be more interested to understand your incomprehensible reads on yamato and Hopeless....

I don't think explaining my reads on them important at the moment, unless you want to call either of them or me mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 22 2015 21:24 GMT
#619
On October 23 2015 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote:
On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)

Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this.


So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum.

Do you understand this is not about Blazinghand but you?

Blazinghand does an rng vote. You townread him for it because you think (1) he wouldn't do that as mafia and (2) he feels excited about it and reasons his rng.

(1) He literally says he could do that as mafia. If he is town here he is telling the truth (because why lie), if he is mafia here, well he did that as mafia. Both of the arguments on his faction should cancel your townread by default.

(2) Blazinghand's argument for why rng is pro-town is literally bullshit and anyone who reads his posts knows that. I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, because he would defend the rng lynch he so likes as either alignment. You however fail to realize his argument for rng lynch being pro-town is literally "rng lynch hits mafia only slightly less than non-rng lynch". In fact, hey.. that makes rng lynch NOT PRO TOWN. This should cancel your townread on him aswell.

Now, why did it not?


Uh... You kind of missed the point. You said that he "so likes as either alignment", which is false. He seems to love it as town, but not as scum, which is... not "as either alignment". I understand that it's not impossible for him to have faked all of that in the hopes of gathering town credibility. However, it's not that likely because 1) he apparently didn't realize he would be given credibility for doing it, and there hasn't been any proof yet that he in fact would have realized it beforehand - as far as I see, the whole issue was brought up only AFTER he did it in this game 2) even if that was his master plan all along, it's still not as likely since he would be A) undermining, at least in his clear belief, the chances of his team by doing that - without any likely good effect - and B) it's not as easy to push something like that when you don't believe in it yourself (which he wouldn't be as scum).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 22 2015 21:24 GMT
#620
i think having a child restored some of my faith in humanity and made me significantly worse at this game. i no longer assume everyone is a bastard coated bastard with bastard filling. makes things rough.

advice to all people who wanna get good and stay good: don't have a baby.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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