EPTOn October 23 2015 05:56 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw
Oh yeah, I'd also like to know how this read came to be btw
From the post you quoted and the post before that.
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raynpelikoneet
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From the post you quoted and the post before that. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 23 2015 05:55 Hopeless1der wrote: Maybe you should let me deal with that...actually something you posted bothered me It reads like "lengthy introduction == scum" but BH is not scum because he's excited? What did I miss here? That X thing was a hypothetical scenario, only related to BH in the sense that meta shouldn't be entirely discarded even if good players are well capable of "breaking meta". | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: From the post you quoted and the post before that. ? :/ | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Are you trying to get spite lynched? I may not be the most suited to make threats, but if you continue to play up the bravado without contributing I will fully support lynching you. Then I am looking forward to it my friend. | ||
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On October 23 2015 05:59 Hopeless1der wrote: just so im clear, what is your current read of BH, Xata? town/null/scum? Town? Like I explained, and also he made some good posts in the recent pages. Better than his RNG stuff actually, in the sense of establishing his innocence. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: "would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game) Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 23 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what bothers me Xatalos. You continue to townread Blazinghand fro his rng after he says this. So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote: So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum. Do you understand this is not about Blazinghand but you? Blazinghand does an rng vote. You townread him for it because you think (1) he wouldn't do that as mafia and (2) he feels excited about it and reasons his rng. (1) He literally says he could do that as mafia. If he is town here he is telling the truth (because why lie), if he is mafia here, well he did that as mafia. Both of the arguments on his faction should cancel your townread by default. (2) Blazinghand's argument for why rng is pro-town is literally bullshit and anyone who reads his posts knows that. I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, because he would defend the rng lynch he so likes as either alignment. You however fail to realize his argument for rng lynch being pro-town is literally "rng lynch hits mafia only slightly less than non-rng lynch". In fact, hey.. that makes rng lynch NOT PRO TOWN. This should cancel your townread on him aswell. Now, why did it not? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On October 23 2015 06:12 Xatalos wrote: So? He didn't even seem to realize that RNG-stuff was a "towntell" for him until after we started discussing the topic. What's more, even if he did, it wouldn't be so easy to fake the whole push and argue about it with that kind of conviction if he thought it was counter-productive for his faction (as scum). And well, he has just generally been active and producing posts I like. I don't really feel there's any reason to think he's null, let alone scum. He's definitely null off of the RNG. Thats the entire point. BH has literally said that you have to look at what he does with it, not the fact that he did it. Once done, he's committed to it, even if (and rayn?) are scum he's trapped. All of his followup with respect to how true and great and protown it is have no bearing on his alignment. His concern with ritoky pulling up games to draw a conclusion make them both townyish to me, but thats not really much considering the subject matter. BH is firmly null atm. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:14 Vivax wrote: on my way home and phoneposting. am i imagining this or dif gb stop posting when i did as well GB stopping posting when you do means...? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 23 2015 06:14 Xatalos wrote: Truthfully I'd be more interested to understand your incomprehensible reads on yamato and Hopeless.... I don't think explaining my reads on them important at the moment, unless you want to call either of them or me mafia. | ||
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On October 23 2015 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you understand this is not about Blazinghand but you? Blazinghand does an rng vote. You townread him for it because you think (1) he wouldn't do that as mafia and (2) he feels excited about it and reasons his rng. (1) He literally says he could do that as mafia. If he is town here he is telling the truth (because why lie), if he is mafia here, well he did that as mafia. Both of the arguments on his faction should cancel your townread by default. (2) Blazinghand's argument for why rng is pro-town is literally bullshit and anyone who reads his posts knows that. I don't think that's alignment indicative for him, because he would defend the rng lynch he so likes as either alignment. You however fail to realize his argument for rng lynch being pro-town is literally "rng lynch hits mafia only slightly less than non-rng lynch". In fact, hey.. that makes rng lynch NOT PRO TOWN. This should cancel your townread on him aswell. Now, why did it not? Uh... You kind of missed the point. You said that he "so likes as either alignment", which is false. He seems to love it as town, but not as scum, which is... not "as either alignment". I understand that it's not impossible for him to have faked all of that in the hopes of gathering town credibility. However, it's not that likely because 1) he apparently didn't realize he would be given credibility for doing it, and there hasn't been any proof yet that he in fact would have realized it beforehand - as far as I see, the whole issue was brought up only AFTER he did it in this game 2) even if that was his master plan all along, it's still not as likely since he would be A) undermining, at least in his clear belief, the chances of his team by doing that - without any likely good effect - and B) it's not as easy to push something like that when you don't believe in it yourself (which he wouldn't be as scum). | ||
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ritoky
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