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I love the too scummy to be scum defenses, you can apply them to any scum for being scummy.
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On November 02 2015 02:05 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:01 Vivax wrote:
Maybe you're afraid that GB flipping scum would clear me from the stuff you started throwing at me post-lynch?
If he's town you can use it against me tomorrow, so let him flip! I want to lynch scum, ether of you two could be town, I am going after the one person I know is almost certain to be scum so that I leave the remaining scummer as little wiggle room as possible, whoever that may be. I am doing this to delay my own gratification because I know a lynch on you probably wouldn't happen today(I would also feel really fucking bad if your actually town), and even though a green flip on Gb would feel fucking great, it's not worth going into lylo with 2 scum. Also your a goddamn genius
Why do you keep saying either of us can be town yet you clearly seem to have GB as town and me as mafia?
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On November 02 2015 02:13 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:08 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:01 gumshoe wrote:I mean... effort does not equal town. For example. I put a lot of effort in regardless of my alignment. I agree that it would have been pretty demoralizing to play the game through with Onegu and Hopeless as your mafia partners (assuming that that's the world), but clearly the mafia IS playing the game and hasn't given up. GB fits that description just as well as Vivax or anyone else. Maybe you could characterize GB as having an "aggro style". but going after people and arguing with them is something that mafia can do and have to do. If you don't do anything in the thread, then you'll obviously get lynched. To chrom, let me tell ya about voting : P not mafia voting, I mean voting voting. Everyone should do it right? Its a tiny little thing that has a good chance to improve your overall life, so why dont we? Why is only seventy percent voter turn out considered a good thing? Also why is higher voter turnouts considered bad for the people in power? Its because as a whole we dont act unless we have too, and we know our actions will make a difference. Thats why effort is townie, it's hard to bring yourself to write up massive cases that you know is bullshit, thats why scummers end games with 5 page filters while towners have 30. as for you argument hes was trying to convince us to spare him through effort. 1: the case was against me -_- the guy most likely to spare him, 2: it was pretty terrible. 3: not once this game has anyone been swayed by the pants on head logic, so there's was no reason to think it would work now. I dont see how gb thought he was going to live with his own teamates bussing him and by accusing his ally AND by having a shit argument. More likely? He just thought he was gonna flip town and blow the whole case wide open post mortem / : By writing arguments like that, he looks like he's trying to find mafia, which will make people think that he is town. That's why people do that when they're about to be lynched, so they can look more town. The point isn't that he was hoping to convince people to vote you over him, he was hoping that people would look at his case and think, "oh that's a townie thing to do". The fact that his argument was bad should be a point against him, not for him. See, I read gb as a pretty emotional player, I cant see him doing that when his own team is bussing him in such a derpy fashion when it was all likely for not / : I've read his scum games, hes not that good an actor, show me one time he was in such a situation and he had the balls to attack the guy he had the best shot of convincing with a case that big. If you can demonstrate capacity, I'll concede, but otherwise his scum play this game is an anomaly, that and as much you might hate to admit, the derpiest player is usually town, does that suck? Yes, but that doesn't make it less true / :
When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.
And I can't be scum with him, so you say.
So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?
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I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
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BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them?
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On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit.
I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained.
It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that.
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On November 02 2015 02:35 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:18 Vivax wrote:
I currently am even hoping I understood what you said there.
Emotional player, meta shown by Chromatically to be the case as both alignments before he dies.
But he hasn't been emotional in this game when his team was bussing him in a derpy fashion?
in gbs state, I dont think he would honestly put the effort in to do the latter(especially given the case he brought up) if his team was bussing him and all of town pretty much wanted him dead.
On November 02 2015 02:16 Vivax wrote:
When has his team bussing him? I'm only aware of Onegu and hopeless in your current roster of scumreads.
Onegu didn't bus him.
Hopeless might have bussed him in the Onegu vs GB situation, but otherwise he only followed main wagons the previous days.
And I can't be scum with him, so you say.
So gumshoe, who has been bussing GB?
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On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp.
It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him.
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Like GB could be here discussing things right this very moment but he isn't cause he's probably loading his shotgun of feels and townie rainbows for the final hour again.
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On November 02 2015 02:45 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 02:37 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:32 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 02:29 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? dont even try this shit. I have a preference on who to lynch first and that for good reasons I explained. It's not "shit" if I get to discuss that with BH after noting that he isn't interested in doing that. You've been trying to find dirt on bh all game. It's not happening, it's not gonna work, stahp. It's only dirt cause you like to think it is, but it's just me observing that he doesn't have a preference on GB hopeless and I want him to have one and am working for it and you put things into my mouth saying I want to "throw dirt" at him. gb is just asking us to take him seriously when hes dead, you on the other hand are actively asserting that
YES precisely, I'm playing and he's just lurking throwing a few cases in between but never just sticking around or encouraging any discussion beyond his justification for a vote.
Like if he wants to die he can vote for himself, but it's obviously just his emo defense that you find so convincing, so he won't.
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On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato  . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt kit be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T
Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town.
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On November 02 2015 03:11 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt kit be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T Yes ritoky should be here choosing the guy to vote. It makes me uncomfortable he's afk since he proclamed himself conf town. Would you stahp trying this shit? Godammit XD stick to two scum reads and stop spamming paranoia in thread.
Why, are you 100 % sure beyond a doubt that ritoky is town?
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On November 02 2015 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
In the past day and night vivax has crumbed against me, ritoky, bh, chrom,
vivax do you even have town reads this game?
Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH.
Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too.
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On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:
if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes,
if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course
If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course
if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum.
Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice.
YOU KEPT SAYING ONE OF US ISN'T MAFIA.
Now you wanna lynch me even if GB flips scum?
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On November 02 2015 03:22 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:19 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 03:16 gumshoe wrote:
In the past day and night vivax has crumbed against me, ritoky, bh, chrom,
vivax do you even have town reads this game?
Chrom since his GB meta research and case, probably BH. Everyone else I keep considering to be possible, you too. Fair enough : D btw if you actually did this your a godamm mastermind : P setting up town to be biased against pants on head townies from day 1 through a joke. Goddamn brilliant.
No the pants on head guy was GB when he started his D1 with scumreading me, and then whined about being scumread cause he was "too pants on head" to be scum, precisely.
Point I've made during D1 already.
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On November 02 2015 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? I've been super duper clear on this repeatedly, said it so many times I'm kinda amazed you're confused, but even if I hadn't made it clear earlier: Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Huh. I was guessing gumshoe, but maybe scum think they've got a chance of lynching him. IT's not happening, though.
##vote: glowingbear
H1 is also acceptable to me today. I'm voting GB and said "H1 is also acceptable" and I did this like 2 minute sinto the day. get your head in the game boyo
I've read that but it's no explicit preference for GB, it's just you voting him first while having a "meh,whatever" attitude.
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On November 02 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2015 02:28 Vivax wrote:
BH why no opinion on who to lynch first between them? I've been super duper clear on this repeatedly, said it so many times I'm kinda amazed you're confused, but even if I hadn't made it clear earlier: On October 31 2015 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Huh. I was guessing gumshoe, but maybe scum think they've got a chance of lynching him. IT's not happening, though.
##vote: glowingbear
H1 is also acceptable to me today. I'm voting GB and said "H1 is also acceptable" and I did this like 2 minute sinto the day. get your head in the game boyo I've read that but it's no explicit preference for GB, it's just you voting him first while having a "meh,whatever" attitude. all this is doing is making me vaguely nervous that you're actually scum. get to the point
Read my posts about why I wanna lynch GB first, which I made right before upsetting you so gravely with those posts of mine, and tell me if you're convinced would be a start.
Or think of something that makes 1 lynch better, information wise or otherwise.
Why? Cause I want to kill GB and like to know who's on the stable train of killing him.
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On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here? Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier.
Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario.
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On November 02 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here? Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier. Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario. I don't know if tomorroe is LYLO, I'm too lazy to do maths.
And you felt less lazy in the other running game considering I was checking when you were rather posting there than here.
Matter I'm allowed to talk about cause that game is over.
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On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days. H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1) but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum. HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax. And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe. You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see.
Yet knowing you were town (?) you made cases on people on your own wagon around the time of the Onegu lynch.
Did the thought never occur to you that you might have been the counterwagon of mafia?
No? Why not?
Point made by I think Chrom around that time.
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