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On September 19 2015 00:31 Koshi wrote: "But I wouldn't do that as mafia" line inc. Nah, let's be honest I absolutely would. | ||
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On September 19 2015 00:50 Koshi wrote: Oh did I mention that in above scumgame of mine there was no RB on mafia, a cop and an AWARE miller on town? Truly balanced. gg Artanis. Compare that to this game. lolololol Yeah, that game was awful. And I still almost won it despite having you on my team. Pretty impressive. | ||
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On September 19 2015 01:01 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Lol it still grillz you to this day that I tricked town that game. I made a big play on day 1 if I remember that took balls Why would it? Town being idiots made me win that game. | ||
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On September 19 2015 01:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Well have fun playing mafia in your moms basements while I enjoy a nice weekend of music. I actually think I may visit my parents over the weekend, good idea. | ||
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On September 19 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote: Would be nice tbh if ceph was last mafia and just got mod killed for not voting He might aswell concede then anyways. There is no way he isn't getting lynched at some point. | ||
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On September 19 2015 03:56 Cephiro wrote: Not planning on getting modkilled, nor do I plan on getting lynched or NK'ed. In the unfortunate case that happens, I won't be flipping red anyway. ##vote Wile E. Coyote Still do think marv is a good lynch, but not in a hurry to do anything about it since we have "confirmed" scum to kill. I guess I'll post my thoughts on it during the night or later in the daycycle, depending on when I feel like it. (Or unless you people have a specific reason you'd want it any earlier, given that it's not currently very relevant.) Doubt mafia wants to kill me with my current level of activity, would make sense for them to keep me around to try and push a mislynch on me later. Someone was also asking about my scum play, whoever that was: I can do pretty much anything as scum (and town too). Bussing is more like a rule, with not bussing being the exception for me. At least when it comes to games where there are at least 3 mafia members. So while I won't mind if you read me favourably based on my voting and actions at the end of D1, you shouldn't think it has to make me town. Oh, don't worry about that. You voted a townie anyways. | ||
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On September 19 2015 04:34 Koshi wrote: I hope I am alive tomorrow. Lynching JAT or marv. I am trembling with anticipation. I will eat my hat if you die night2. You are mafias best asset. | ||
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On September 19 2015 05:33 Cephiro wrote: We lynch Wile, simple as that. Also I'd prefer to stay as a mislynch target for now, so I'm going to stay that way. This has to be one if the dumbest things I had to read all game. And Koshi is in it so that really means something. | ||
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On September 19 2015 11:56 geript wrote: In looking back at it, I don't think Marv is mafia either. I don't think he talks about his Rayn read how he does if he's mafia. I think he entertains it at least a little. In the least, he can do so to like try and super hang me with it or at least spread a question in regards to Rayn's alignment if sentiment moves that way. So I don't think Marv's mafia either. I kinda just htink Onegu might have been janitor. TBH I'mnot quite sure if I'm sour about still not getting Vigi. Obviously, I probably would've shot wrong, but it means I still didn't get to shoot anyone. Can you show what exactly you are talking about with the rayn read? In my opinion it being too confident too early is not a point in marvs favor. He made mistakes like that before when he was mafia. | ||
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On September 19 2015 11:53 geript wrote: Shooting Rayn is kinda an interesting choice. They're choosing not to medic dodge as I think he's a bit more likely (considering most people's reads) than Marv or Palmar. The funny thing is that it feels like more of a Palmar kill than a Marv kill, but IDK if either of them would actually make that kill. So I can still live in a world where both Palmar and Marv are town. Why wouldn't they make that kill? I don't follow your logic at all. If marv is mafia he absolutely needs to get rid of rayn because he can never change his mind about him and has to support him. Imagine he shot someone that isn't palmar or rayn - then there would still be 2 good players (ok, let's say 1,5 considering one of them is palmar) alive now who he could never attack and who would never be lynched before him. That rayn was universally townread and strongly townreading me is a bonus too. | ||
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And now that I think about it - even if they suspected it the shot is good since if rayn gets saved the vigi is not confirmed regardless of who he shoots due to the janitor. | ||
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I will try to put into words why I think he could be mafia in a minute. | ||
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On September 20 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote: This is hilarious and possibly intentional. Step 1: Jat and geript read OP Step 2: Jat and geript don't read the OP There is literally no medic/jailkeeper in the game. Don't know what to do with this. The reason is, two people made the same mistake. I (mis?)remembered it being JAT who had pointed the thing about the masons, then I saw him talk about medic dodging, so I charged right to my computer in order to post why JAT is 100% mafia for this. The problem is, when I started looking into JAT's filter to see where he had said it I found it it was geript who had said the thing about the masons and JAT simply agreed with him. This means that unless those two are exactly the remaining mafia team (this is actually very possible, it just means Onegu is town), then at least one townie made the mistake. It's a great wifom bomb to throw if you're scum. "Look, I wasn't aware of mechanics that affect night kills so I can't be mafia!!!", although it also requires one, or both of them to have forgotten about having already bragged about reading the OP. Or alternatively (and much more unlikely) knowing about it and simply gambling no one would notice. So idk... Talk about levels of mafia play. lol On September 20 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote: Anyway, it's weekend, I'm not going to be much around. Damdred has been dropping off it feels like but still. Ceph said something about wanting to be suspicious which doesn't sound suspicious at all. I also think JAT called him out on it which is mehh~~~~ I called it dumb. Do you disagree it is dumb? I hope you don't. | ||
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On September 20 2015 06:58 geript wrote: So I've been thinking about it. And there's definitely at least 1 mafia voting for Wile. We should probably find out who that is. My guess is that it's probably not the claimed vigilante. I also don't think it's Koshi. It'd be really cool if it were Scott, that's be a really sweet play; but I doubt it. So I'm pretty sure we just lynch JAT. Feel free to explain your stance at any point. | ||
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If scott is real Koshi is confirmed town. Even if he isn't Koshi is very likely town because I have huge doubts he could fake his retarded townmeta as mafia. He is not good enough to be this wrong while knowing the right answers. If scott is real he will be shot tonight or the night after this one. There is no way around that and it means we do not need to think about any tinfoil worlds. He either gets shot before (potential) LYLO or he is mafia. Ritoky is 100 % confirmed town. Some assumptions: If marv is mafia Onegu was very likely town. I do not see marv still trying after losing both of his buddies. So marv has to have a partner. Palmar can only be mafia if marv is also scum. If marv is not only not able to prove his innocence but ALSO wrong on Palmar then this game is really really fucked up and I do not believe in this kind of world. So we do not have to think about lynching Palmar at all before we dealt with marv. Also Palmar seems pretty towny anyways. This leaves geript, marv, cephiro and damdred. Geript: There are multiple dumbtells in his filter. Not only the medic thing Palmar pointed out earlier. This + his nonsensical pushes on Palmar and Rayn suggest that for him to be mafia he would have to change the way he plays scum drastically. His play isn't very thoughtful, careful or calculated and in my experience his mafia play tends to be. He is just trolling around. The fact that noone besides Palmar really scumreads him could also be interpreted as a point in his favor - if he is mafia we are all collectively terrible. The simpler conclusion is that he is just town. I could be wrong on him but at the moment I want to lynch him the least out of the 4 possible lynches. Cephiro: There is not much to be said about him that hasn't been said already. Hasn't done much since he got his townreads early in the game. He is definitely the low hanging fruit regardless of his alignment. His posting around the day1 lynch and afterwards do not make me lean one way or the other. Damdred: Fell off completely recently but to be fair he said he wouldn't be around. I think I said everything that needs to be said about him and I don't feel like repeating myself. the only thing that made me doubt my scumread on him is how he questioned Wiles claim but it is entirely possible that he just treated him as dead weight already. If I have to read "to a point", "to a degree", "a little" or "a bit" again soon I might vomit btw. Marv: Palmar said it right at some point. You will not catch him for not saying smart things or having good reads. You need to see how what he is pushing lines up with his thought process and how his tone is. Day1 I gave a list of suspects and shortly after that marv gave the very same list. For someone else I would say this would make them towny but for marv it is normal to have the same reads I have as mafia. It was the same in imperial and in the shadow game (I was obsing there). The reason for this is that he is really good at predicting thread sentiment and generally puts the weak links in his team into his scum lists. He will call them mafia/question them like he did with SL this game and at the same time try to not lynch them if he thinks he can justify it. If marv was town I would expect at least 1-2 reads in the list post which I disagree with or which I do not understand without him elaborating on it. I would expect a marv-y interesting read. He lacks those this game. He is just calling the people he is forced to townread (rayn, palmar) town and sheeps other peoples arguments otherwise. I get that he has a good read on rayn but this level of confidence this early is too much I think: It is one of his weaknesses as mafia that he tends to give too strong townreads to people he perceives as really towny because he knows their alignment. It was the same with his harddefense of me in imperial for example. I also don't like how he literally avoids saying anything about damdred. I get that he would be careful about it due to his track record but normally that should not prevent him from at least giving his opinion. He can put a caveat on it. Another point against him is how he treats me in general this game. He is not waffling on me like he was last game for example despite not giving me a real townread. Day1 he just says "could be mafia" and gives some sort of caveat that he is leaning town somehow. Example: On September 16 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote: some more active/well-known-ish mafia that i don't really know if i want to try to pursue today. jat can be mafia but he kinda seems a little less pissy than i imagine him to be as mafia (and yes you're probs all reading this going "well he IS being pissy" - nonetheless, i think that  )It doesn't feel waffly enough. Normally he either waffles or straight up townreads me. This isn't either. And most importantly his reaction to when I suddenly called him mafia. I still think that this is very uncharacteristic for a town marv. He just "shrugged" and ignored it until he noticed that this only made things worse and then he immediately felt the need to call me mafia for attacking him which he should know is complete nonsense. I have nothing to gain from attacking townmarv as mafia when he is the only "strong" player that is not scumreading me at that point in time. A townmarv would have most likely called my push on him weird/laughed at it or told me that I know I am wrong or something like this. But this reaction feels way off to me. Now on to the lynch: I dislike this post: On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: has Wile redeemed himself then? question is for anyone It feels like he really wants to shift responsibility for not lynching Wile away from himself because he called him scummy earlier. He is begging for other people to tell him not to lynch Wile and I guess he can expect them to considering how the state of the thread was at that point in time. Since there weren't many votes on Wile this question is pretty redundant if he is town. When damdreds delivers his (bad) reason this is how he reacts: On September 17 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: yes ok, not sure about super towny but i'm definitely getting it. hrmph He accepts it because it is what he wanted but he is not completely agreeing. Probably because he knows it is wrong. He says he did not know the deadline was at :30 instead of :00 and I absolutely believe him regardless of his alignment. I didn't either. Sadly this makes it hard to interpret his last minute vote. If he is town it makes sense to vote for moosy if he just read my filter and thought it was towny. On the other hand he had just said as much and could not justify still voting me as mafia because of it: On September 17 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: i don't think i want to lynch jat... reading the last posts in his filter. it's not a massive amount of content but it's very focused and to the point in the words he used. The result is that he voted for a lynch he did not believe in and which should not have happened at all. If he lynched Moosy who he said was not his prefered lynch earlier and who many of his townreads said was not a good lynch over myself who was potential mafia in his eyes then his dive into my filter should have given him at least a moderate townread on me. As far as the lynch is concerned that doesn't tell us anything but it is a thing to keep in mind for later. This is confirmed by the way he treats me later when I start contributing more night1. He is clearly onboard with rayns townread on me and my points against damdred. Proof: On September 17 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote: do i have to think about him? literally the reason i stopped trying to read him is i kept finding everything he did scummy no matter his alignment :< i'm prone to agree with jat's 'guilty conscience' type point. was just reading through damdy's filter in relation to rayn's post I remember liking this post at the time, not even because it actually has content, but because it seems a really natural way of flipping on a read as he was posting/thinking. it would be a very ballsy and weird way to deal with your partner (if we assume a bus situation, which is one of the ways the post would make sense) because he'd go from scumreading geript for some things -> turning it around in one post, i don't even know why you'd ever go about it like this On September 18 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: kinda annoying that Damdred hiphopped away. He keeps bringing up the post he townread damdred for while all of this is happening but he also says this about it: On September 17 2015 19:10 marvellosity wrote: maybe i'm reading too much into one post. So you would assume he would rather lynch damdred than me, right? But no, once the claims happen he prefers lynching me and damdred is suddenly town for townreading geript which he had done long before the claims happened. That's a really really bad reason to townread someone. I also think a townmarv should realize that I would not out or push Wile like I did as his mafia buddy. I also dislike how he tried to discredit Palmars and my read on him and acted like geripts/rayns read on him were more important when in reality those 2 are wrong about him all the fucking time. On September 18 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Palmar would very often be hedging on me at this point, and it looks like you're at the least being bad i was practically confirmed town to rayn and geript who also knows me very well is confident i am town your arguments are silly. He knows that this is bullshit. I do not get the feeling that he has tried to figure out the game since the claims happened at all. Of course you can say there is a lot of time where he can still do that and he isn't here for the weekend but he lacks any kind of curiosity/interest in solving a game that should be really easy to solve from his pov. It feels like he is slowly trending from the LHF cephiro towards lynching me who he apparently was leaning town on earlier. Where did the lean go? Noone knows. In general I am pretty good at reading his tone when he is town. I never got that feeling this game. He is more reserved/less interesting than he usually is when he is town. Although he was present for long periods of time it doesn't feel like he had any real impact on this game during that time. There is something seriously wrong if I am not townreading him this far into the game and I am just not which is why we should probably wagon him today. | ||
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I am still waiting for ritokys read on damdred. If he comes to the conclusion that damdred is mafia we can lynch him instead. If he doesn't we should try to lynch marv and see what happens. We can always lynch Cephiro if we are in doubt but pushing him will probably not tell us anything. | ||
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On September 20 2015 08:11 geript wrote: Well it's between you and Cephiro; I found a video of Cephiro doing some porn and his cock was pretty average sized. So pretty clearly it must be you. Plus, I think you're talking to compensate for other inadequacies. Repeating the same joke over and over and over does not make it better. It's starting to get really boring :/ | ||
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