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On August 10 2015 12:02 Onegu wrote: No no no. IF you have been a active player you could be a actual role. Like people said you could get the rsoultin role if rsoulting is a role in this game... How does one properly rsoulte? Heck I'm not even sure if I've even met anyone who successfully rsoulted. I just hope I don't get the Onegu role. I don't want to have a post restriction prior to LyLo. Maybe I'll get lucky and land GB. I'm already pretty good at changing my scum read every other post. + Show Spoiler + I understand if you modkill me now  | ||
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On August 18 2015 07:39 Breshke wrote: Ruxxars filter already too long  | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:32 ruXxar wrote: Town: Ritoky - meta. Fecalfeast - meta Geript - meta Null: Kelsier - meta Wave - meta Judge Judy - meta Scum: Damdred - meta Come on now, newbies really should not be trying to apply meta reads. Maybe after you've played in more games than you can count on your hands you can start to try and apply this type of read. There are just too many factors that goes into a proper meta read for you to let that me your only method of judging people. Besides, in a game where everyone is trying to play the meta of somebody else this seems like a really retarted way to go. Reading and posting as I can, will be more active later when I get off work. Btw, I think FF got GB this game. | ||
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Man when I first read about your RNG case I was pretty dissapointed, did not make my dick hard at all. However In your last post I'm seeing that sorta sexyness I like in a case Excuse me, I gotta go take care of something... | ||
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On August 19 2015 09:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Hello dearies, I am here to solve the game x Hello! Is it weird that I feel as though we should be friends? Is it any less weird that I wish to share sexy nurse photos to further entice you into this friendship? I feel we should solve the game together... provided of course your not scum. | ||
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On August 19 2015 12:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hts is Oats. My thoughts exactly. | ||
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On August 19 2015 12:50 Half the Sky wrote: Tictock probs Geript, could be scum. Talks about ruxxar's points on meta, but doesn't discuss the rest of ruxxar's posting, which others had found scummy. Post to VA doesn't indicate thoughts on his opening. I will neither confirm nor deny this. Nor will I describe how absolutely terribly a wagon on me would derail. And meh It's early, I don't want to get all serious just yet. | ||
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On August 19 2015 16:54 Rels wrote: Summary of the game: - people being stupid - RNG shit with hidden variable not being RNG - people being stupid - HTS not being stupid agreeing with her on ruxx. ##Vote ruxxar Got it, everything in this game thus far is just stupid except for the "RNG" and these two posts On August 19 2015 12:33 Half the Sky wrote: Scum. ruXxar is totes scum. On August 19 2015 12:34 Half the Sky wrote: I mean what is that shit. Even LS says/does more than that shit as town. ##vote ruXxar I can't tell if you have a legit read on ruxx yourself or if you are actually sheeping the case that ruxx is not meeting the town meta of LS. To be fair, I haven't made much effort to read ruxx atm I just think that the 2 posts HtS made about him are weak and I don't get why you like them so much. | ||
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This is what I'm talking about mostly: On August 19 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: There once was a man named Damdred, he moved outside town one day and never turned back. Monsters everywhere red blue and black. The hangman noose he feared the most all,he wanted was his friends but who would,be his friend? Would it be you or maybe you? Would geript be,his friend? On August 19 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote: Wave is scary, his,face reminds me of what I saw when I looked under my bed. What friend will protect me? Who will be my friend? Where is this fear and desire for friends and protection coming from? I can tell from some of your other posts that you are fairly comfortable posting like Chez On August 19 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: Announcement, Announcement A grand shipment has just arrived at the bank of Brown! Come quickly while we are still in stock for your troll items! All it requires is a deposit of 3 cheznoozs! So on the one hand you are posting in a sorta friendly/trolly/confusing way that Chez often does but on the other you seem to have this clear fear and need protection. This seems to me like you think people will scumread you for posting like chez, or to be more precise that you feel like people SHOULD scumread you for posting like that and this is making you nervous. Also I really don't like this post. On August 19 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote: The one who's name start with an f heart is as pure as a morning dew on the ground. A breath of air from an island. He has never witnessed the,beauty of,DAMDRED and is amazed and cannot,fathom what is happening around him, obvious friend. What makes Fidei a friend? He basically ignored you | ||
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On August 19 2015 18:22 Rels wrote: I thought that was clear though maybe it's too complex for you. I think ruxxar is scummy. I think HTS' post about ruxxar are good. Maybe I'll expand on ruxxar if people cannot see the obvious. Not now though, I'm working. Pretty sure I'm oblivouse to the obvious. Please spell it out for me. I kinda see what people are trying to point out, I'm just not sure it makes him scum. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:41 JudgeJudy wrote: You are about to enter the courtroom of Judge Judith Sheindlin. The people are real. The cases are real. The rulings are final. This is her courtroom. This is Judge Judy. Order! All rise for the Honorable Judith Sheinlin. Welcome to my court room everybody! Lets get right down to business. It's sweeps week and I will not be beaten by that joke of a show, People's Court. Each cycle individuals may bring forth various disputes that need resolving. I will review the evidence and come to a verdict. Remember all rulings are final! By the power invested in me by CBS Entertainment and their various affiliates, I will also issue an appropriate punishment, which I expect the audience to uphold. To submit an issue for trial, simply type ##Accuse Player X of Y in the thread, along with an applicable explanation. Please note that I'm a very busy and important person, so I will make the final decision whether or not your accusation is trial worthy. If I accept the case, the plaintiff and defendant will be given an opportunity to defend themselves and I will question them as needed. When you take the stand, remember whose court room you are in. I will not tolerate liars and can see right through you. If you live to be a hundred, you will never be as smart as me. On your BEST day, you're not as smart as *I* am on my WORST day. Once I have gathered the necessary information, I will come to a verdict. I will require three trusted individuals to perform day to day tasks. If you are interested in becoming a member of the court, please submit your application for the following positions. Note that if any time, I suspect you are untrustworthy, you will be immediately be removed from my court. ##Apply to be bailiff - Charged with maintaining order in my court. Bonus points if you are a sexy black man. ##Apply to be court reporter - Perform post-ruling interviews. Make sure to rub it in to the loser. ##Apply to be anger management therapist - LET ME MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. I DO NOT HAVE AN ANGER ISSUE. Parties have been sworn in, you may be seated. Court is now in session. I have decided you are likely town, as such I would like to ##Apply to be anger management therapist On the single condition that as your therapist I can, at my discression, beat you senseless if I deem it neccesary to further your treatment. My methods work + Show Spoiler + I know you wanted a bailiff but that job sounds boring as balls, though i do qualify as sexy... | ||
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On August 20 2015 01:01 ruXxar wrote: New scum list: Geript Damdred HTS Rels Chezinu What exactly are your reasons for scumreading the last 3? Your reasoning on geript is retarted I'm wondering why you haven't commentated on the post I made regarding Damdred | ||
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On August 20 2015 13:02 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/G36DyeF.gif) Sure, you decided to discuss the topic of whether or not ritoky RNG'd his target based on some imaginary "coefficient of stupidness" or whatever it was called and concluded that he was a liar or was specifically targeting fidel. You then made little attempt to interpret your conclusions. The first point you made is meaningless by itself. Is he lying because he is mafia and using rng as a scapegoat for providing actual reads? Is he specifically targeting fidel for an easy mislynch? You don't really touch on that stuff at all. And then there is stuff like this. You don't comment on the actual read on fidel, but instead go after the rng discussion. Now that fidel has actually posted that giant list of reads, you still haven't talked about him and instead want to defend yourself against my suspicions or something, which doesn't equate to any scum hunting on your part. Why aren't you talking about fidel or your suspicions? First off, 10/10 for that Gif. LMAO. Like what was that lady expecting? Then at the end she's looking at the hammer like "Why did you do that?" Pure quality Second off, I really like this explanation for your Bre read. However I kinda disagree that Bre is scum for this. To me the whole line of questioning about the RNG seemed like Bre breaking out of his role to investigate something that wasn't adding up to him. This kind of poking and prodding while waiting for responses and reactions to come to conclusions is what I've come to expect from Bre. I'm leaning town on him for that. And thirdly, I accept the promotion on the grounds that it will triple my pay. Also as your Anger Management therapist, I'd like to notify you that you've been showing very little anger this game. Please adjust this so I have an | ||
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On August 20 2015 13:04 geript wrote: I forgot, plus ticktock. No, you didn't. But thanks for the special shoutout post. | ||
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Just because you have identified the role/personality that someone received does not mean you've narrowed down their alignment just because of what alignment you THINK that personality SHOULD be associated with. This is honestly as bad as trying to apply the meta of the personality somebody received to the person playing that personality in this game. As such I disregard all reads based on these types of reasoning. I do find it a bit interesting (though probably NAI) that both geript and rit believe that their personalities imply a scum role. Interesting for what that says about how they think of themselves. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 19 2015 19:05 Tictock wrote: Damdred I'm having a hard time understanding where your head is at this game. This is what I'm talking about mostly: Where is this fear and desire for friends and protection coming from? I can tell from some of your other posts that you are fairly comfortable posting like Chez So on the one hand you are posting in a sorta friendly/trolly/confusing way that Chez often does but on the other you seem to have this clear fear and need protection. This seems to me like you think people will scumread you for posting like chez, or to be more precise that you feel like people SHOULD scumread you for posting like that and this is making you nervous. Also I really don't like this post. What makes Fidei a friend? He basically ignored you Specifically: Why do you feel the need for friends and protection this game? Why did you call Fidei a friend? (I assume that means your townreading him) Thus far your play looks like you are useing the Chez role as an excuse to post nonsense, and not even Chez level nonsense that invokes reactions or has subtle clues hidden in between the line just regular. You are not taking risks nor are you giving much in the way of reads. Seems pretty scummy to me. | ||
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On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote: TickTock - Poor TT must be tired of me scum reading him (I have done in both previous games we've played together). This time, however, my reasons are pretty different. Before, I've accused TT of "going 100kph in a 30kph zone". This time, my notes of his key posts are as follows: TE: Calls out Ruxxar for shitty meta list (#387) Weird sexual references, says he likes Ritoky's case on me (#415) Sheeps HTS' read on Ruxx (#467) Tries to read into what Damdred was saying. Says I ignored Damdred. (#475) I really don't think it's possible to read anything into Damdred's play yet. Other than that, he has sheeped two people's cases, and jumped onto the Ruxxar 'wagon' which, as I've said above, is premature. Gunna be all egotistical and just focus on Fidei's terrible read on me for a second. This has to be the worst reasoning I've ever seen posted as to why I might be scum. Literally none of the things he's calling me scum for even happened. Sheeps HTS' read on Ruxx (#467) has sheeped two people's cases, and jumped onto the Ruxxar 'wagon' I said I liked Rits case which =/= sheeping, and I've actually been saying HtS's first 2 posts on ruxx looked really weak to me. To boot, I've never even voted this game so idk how I could be sheeping anyone or on any wagons. This leads me to conclude that Fidei still isn't really following the game and others have pointed out inconsistencies with other reads so I have to conclude that this post was only made to save face and not really to share thoughts about the game. I'm going to be around for a fair bit of the rest of this phase rereading some things, but right now I think I'll end up voting Fidei. | ||
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On August 20 2015 03:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: ##Vote Vayne Authority ... ##Unvote VayneAuthority ##Vote ruXxar It's fairly clear that the vote on VA was a troll vote to get a reaction (LT even said as much in one of his posts) so I'm a little confused why he bothered to "make it legit" by posting this in the VT while changing to ruxx in the same post. Other than that I kinda agree with HtS' read on him as it kinda looks to me like LT is using this as an excuse to hop on the ruxx wagon. On August 20 2015 03:34 Lord Tolkien wrote: ![[image loading]](http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animaljam/images/d/d2/Challenge-accepted.png/revision/latest?cb=20140928111255) Reasoning: the impossible dreams are the best ones to chase. Which reminds me. 1) Anyone who uses MEEEEEEETA this game is retarded. true story 2) Wave should be modkilled for talking about THIS GAME with me out of game. Though fortunately I was spaced out and wasn't listening, so maybe not. Also, I have a totally out of game meta read that he's [REDACTED]. I wonder. Can anyone fill in that gap? 3) However LT does have one post that gives me pause... On August 20 2015 04:41 Lord Tolkien wrote: I am not inclined to believe a META read at this juncture of the game. I mostly find that individual read to be non-alignment indicative for either, and mostly a trend; outside of Chez opposing a standard BH RNG lynch, there's nothing that stands out without relying on copious amounts of meta of him, which I don't have. As for geript...he's continuing to post some of the strangest speculation ever. Like. He's trying to not only to speculatively figure out personality roles based on meta AND THEN lynch based off META from there. uuuuuuuuhhhhh Mostly inclined to NOLYNCH him D1 based solely on activity (would still zero in on Vayne for not responding to my incredibly airtight case, but I have accepted a challonge). But have mostly discounted everything he said. Overall this post looks fairly genuine to me, semi-attempts to read geript, explains his votes (bolded). I guess it's mostly the jokey nonchalant tone of the bolded line that is making me think LT might be town (this tone is present in quite a few of his posts btw). @LT care to explain what you meant by this? On August 20 2015 05:41 Lord Tolkien wrote: HtS: For obvious reasons. I will probably sheep her today. It is not at all obvious | ||
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On August 20 2015 14:41 The Shining wrote: feels like he's genuinely frustrated that the game is slow and no one is talking. i dont think scum would care enough to make this post Except he posted that 3 hours after his last post, in the middle of conversation that other people were having and then doesn't post again for 2 hours. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491840-the-new-personality-mafia?page=33#651 I honestly don't get the reason for geripts post here. It's out of place, complains about "no one posting" but doesn't try to engage anyone who IS posting at the time. So if geript really was frustrated why does he complain about something that is clearly not true? Why doesn't he try and engadge people who are around at the time of that post. So on the surface saying "scum wouldn't care to make this post" sounds good, but when you look at that post in context it makes very little sense. Seems like a shitty reason to townread geript to me. | ||
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On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote: (8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me. From Pregame: On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote: I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3. So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch. At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads. However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent. On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote: The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you. People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4. + Show Spoiler + it's called parody It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG. The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit. 30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30% To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler + I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read. Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people. For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess. ##Vote: Fidei | ||
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On August 20 2015 15:56 Fidei86 wrote: Thing is that other players have complained about the meta of the game so far. When I did it, I followed up with a big post with reads etc. Geript didn't exactly post a WoT, but he has been giving reads, appearing to think critically etc. But what about Kelsier? Pretty much all he has said are throwaway remarks about the bad meta of the game. And he always have these without looking to engage anyone. So if you're not also scum reading him as well, that's a double standard. KSC, Obi, and Yamato look like they are just being themselves to me, they kinda just don't give a shit. I haven't really played much with them (and never with yamato) but from what I've seen of them in other games this is pretty par for the course. Obi is actually a slight town read for me currently, he has made a few pokes and prods. As scum I'd describe him as "just along for the ride", in this game I feel like he's a little engadged, sorta? Idk he is definitely someone to keep an eye on though. Humm actually KSC does seem to be a little more throwaway this game than I'd like... I'll reread him a bit later. I can't recall if it was him or someone else I suspected of rolling Palmar. | ||
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On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote: Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw. This, plus what I said about the RNG stuff being more likely to come from town!ritoky paradying than scum!ritoky hiding and tunneling, is why I'm feel ok sheeping his case atm. Since you are around, and because I'm wavering atm (haven't even actually voted) who would you vote today? Who do you think is your strongest scumread atm Fidei? and why? | ||
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On August 20 2015 16:26 Fidei86 wrote: Okay I have a bunch of thoughts. 1. Damdred is a strong player, especially towards the later part of the game. However his reads early on are usually quite meh. In Holy Guardians he was 100% wrong on all of reads until like d4 when he solved the game and got insta-NK'd. 2. There is no point in even bothering to parse his posts so far - they are garbage. Clearly he is role playing. Fine. But exactly as I said viz Onegu in Holy Guardians - he's easy lynch bait later on if he doesn't stop messing around. I would be pushing him harder, but there are too many people who haven't been playing the game properly (as I think of it anyway.. Pushing, giving reads, interacting on meaningful stuff) for a policy lynch to make sense. I think I had what, nine people on my 'lurker' list? Pretty sure some are Mafia, but they can't all be. 3. Damdred and ritoky always claim that they have a super good read on each other. So far, from the games I've seen, their reads on each other are usually right. So honestly if I was going to listen to someone's opinion of Damdred, it would be ritoky (especially now ritoky seems to be engaged in the game a little more). Wait what? Basically what this boils down to is that you have no opinion but would trust the person pushing on you who you said you had a scum lean on before? I get that your starting to lean town on him now, but this still feels weird to me. I'm also really confused why you keep bringing up what happened in other games when you yourself keep pointing out that almost nobody is playing like themselves... | ||
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On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote: A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. ... Yea your scum. Sorry buddy. | ||
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On August 20 2015 16:40 Fidei86 wrote: well, I do have an opinion, just not a read. And yes, I'm skeptical of ritoky this game. This interaction has actually reminded me that it is weird that they haven't been interacting at all, given how they usually do very early on. I know they're pretending to be someone else, but it is such a strong meta part of the game for both of them that I would have thought they'd find a way to weave it into their role play. Viz other games - that's just how I think. What people have done in their previous games provides me with some kind of yardstick for measuring their play. On August 19 2015 09:07 Tictock wrote: Come on now, newbies really should not be trying to apply meta reads. Maybe after you've played in more games than you can count on your hands you can start to try and apply this type of read. There are just too many factors that goes into a proper meta read for you to let that me your only method of judging people. Besides, in a game where everyone is trying to play the meta of somebody else this seems like a really retarted way to go. | ||
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I'll expound on it a little later, right now I'm rather see you doing something other than defending yourself. | ||
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On August 20 2015 17:17 KelsierSC wrote: I'm the townies town in the game, people scum reading me are scum or bad town. Did you get sicklucker? | ||
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On August 20 2015 17:59 Rels wrote: I think you're scummy. Didn't like the fact that you attacked ritoky when drunk (so you read the thread) but didn't know Damdred was Chezinu (so you didn't read the thread). read the thread + didn't read the thread = someone told you you were attacked = guy with a QT = probably mafia I think tubesock is mafia though ##Unvote ##Vote Tubesock I'm either lazy or not reading properly, possibly both Can you recap why you think Tube is mafia for me? | ||
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On August 20 2015 16:30 Fidei86 wrote: A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. Let me go and read some more filters before I answer you definitively. Off the top of my head, I'd probably say Tubesock. I'll go read his filter again now. So let me break down why I think Fidei is mafia for this post. A predetermined meta is literally the easiest thing to stick to. Well, perhaps it's slightly harder than just lurking, but not by much. This is true enough, but it doesn't apply to this situation. Rit opened by RNGing you, he then later makes a case on you based on your opening and keeps his RNG as a part of it. He moved beyond the RNG by making a real case. My reads were all mostly on that sort of 'superficial' level too, so I don't think it's necessarily scummy from you, but I don't think your reasoning there is particularly sound. This is the part that really bothers me, especially the bolded. Fidei has made 2 Walls of Text posts, in the First he talks about how he feels the game needs to move into a "try-hard" mode and identifies himself as a try-hard. His 2nd and Main WoT comes about midway through the day with about half of it a defense of rit's case on him and then the other half spent giving us his reads on about half the game, I think he mentions the other half in a lurker list, but I didn't bother to confirm. Clearly this is his tryhard post giving us as much as he has in the game at that point. So for town!Fidei to go through that effort and put together those reads, only to turn around a few hours later and describe those same reads as 'superficial' makes no sense. If he doesn't really believe these reads then why go through the effort of putting them all together and make them look good? Clearly he knows his reads were bad, just the same as he knows he failed to read the thread at times and agreed people were justified in scum reading him for that. It's also pretty clear that he doesn't believe his own scum reads. He listed Rels, Rit, myself and Tube as scum in that big WoT post but he seems to have flipped us all to town for fairly weak reasons. Actually I'm not sure where his stance is on Rels but he certaintly seems to be talking to rels like he thinks he's town. In fact he's been talking about all 4 of us like we are town. On August 20 2015 16:50 Fidei86 wrote: I'm not saying it makes sense that he keeps getting NK'd, I'm just saying that is what has happened in previous games. And this isn't Kelsier being bat - from what I've seen its what he does every game. And as to scumming you - that was my read at the time. I need to update it now but I've been stuck in this dialogue with TT. I will obviously update my reads. But I don't see that I should just refuse to give a read because I haven't played with you before? And if I caveated every read with "but I haven't played with him before" that would be tedious. And I don't need to if I'm not basing the read on meta. On August 20 2015 17:56 Fidei86 wrote: I hadn't thought about things like that before. You're right that town reads are easy to give out as mafia. In a way, it would make sense that nervous mafia would town read people who seem to be posting in a town manner (which would explain why our reads align), and his push on me without scum reading anyone else (or really even considering anyone else, for that matter) isn't exactly massively towny. So yeah, I guess. Since you're online, I might as well ask - you've been pretty quiet up until now. What do you think about the push on me more generally (that you now seem to have joined)? He did give some reasons to his read change on me, but really it was just because I called out that his original reasons had never even happened. On August 20 2015 16:14 Fidei86 wrote: @TT fair enough re HTS. Just checked again. I think my notes were referring to your post on Ruxx's meta reads which I actually didn't give enough credit for. It was low hanging fruit for sure, but it was probably worth saying. You said Rit's case "made your dick hard". Okay, so agreeing doesn't necessarily mean you were going to vote that way- perhaps I was using the term "sheeping" too loosely. My point on your interactions with Damdred stands. You were in HG with me, right? Do you remember how pissed I was with Onegu all game for being useless, and how I kept saying we should lynch him not because he was scum, but because it would be impossible to read him through the shit he was saying? I sort of feel the same way about Damdred here. Insofar as your post is an attempt to draw Damdred out, then I can see that's actually helpful. I didn't read it that way at first because what can you really read into his rambling so far, but you could have been pandering to his role play. I guess that means I'll move you back to null. TLDR: Fidei is mafia for making a try-hard wall of text style post with tons of reads, then later calling those reads "superficial" and it seems clear that he never believed his own scum reads | ||
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Idk I still think he's mafia because of the reasons I detailed in this post + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2015 20:45 Tictock wrote: So let me break down why I think Fidei is mafia for this post. This is true enough, but it doesn't apply to this situation. Rit opened by RNGing you, he then later makes a case on you based on your opening and keeps his RNG as a part of it. He moved beyond the RNG by making a real case. This is the part that really bothers me, especially the bolded. Fidei has made 2 Walls of Text posts, in the First he talks about how he feels the game needs to move into a "try-hard" mode and identifies himself as a try-hard. His 2nd and Main WoT comes about midway through the day with about half of it a defense of rit's case on him and then the other half spent giving us his reads on about half the game, I think he mentions the other half in a lurker list, but I didn't bother to confirm. Clearly this is his tryhard post giving us as much as he has in the game at that point. So for town!Fidei to go through that effort and put together those reads, only to turn around a few hours later and describe those same reads as 'superficial' makes no sense. If he doesn't really believe these reads then why go through the effort of putting them all together and make them look good? Clearly he knows his reads were bad, just the same as he knows he failed to read the thread at times and agreed people were justified in scum reading him for that. It's also pretty clear that he doesn't believe his own scum reads. He listed Rels, Rit, myself and Tube as scum in that big WoT post but he seems to have flipped us all to town for fairly weak reasons. Actually I'm not sure where his stance is on Rels but he certaintly seems to be talking to rels like he thinks he's town. In fact he's been talking about all 4 of us like we are town. He did give some reasons to his read change on me, but really it was just because I called out that his original reasons had never even happened. TLDR: Fidei is mafia for making a try-hard wall of text style post with tons of reads, then later calling those reads "superficial" and it seems clear that he never believed his own scum reads I might be willing to consolidate elsewhere, but I'd like to have better reasons than just them lurking. Also if someone cares to detail out why they think Fidei is town I'll listen. Some of his defense was decent, but kinda like Tube said enough of it was weird and didn't add up to sway me. | ||
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On August 21 2015 04:00 geript wrote: Regardless, KSC is playing to the cap of his ability currently which is to say none at all. So losing him or yamato would be no real loss if they had rolled town. Unfortunately my experience here has shown that often times players who just don't give a shit are just as often town as they are mafia. Also I know there are a few players who despise D1 due to the high troll factor and lack of information to go off of. As such I'd prefer to lynch someone who I have some reason to think is scum based on their posts D1, I do agree we have to deal with lurkers before lylo though. I think night actions like Vig shots and cop checks are more the way to go with players like that. Meh, I'm fairly terrible at this so maybe I'm not the person to listen to, just my 2 cents. | ||
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Looks like I missed about ten pages that I wont be able to read till after work, pretty dissapointed we didn't manage to settle on a better target than ruxx. On August 21 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript and rels. I can def see Rels being mafia, but I'm not sure you are picking up on from geript. Please elaborate when you get back. | ||
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On August 21 2015 09:25 Bill Murray wrote: geript is reading weirdly (scummy) agree on that one, tictock, even if u dont see it I mostly just wanted to hear rayns reasoning kus he usually has decent points to call people scum for. My own read has him at a mild scum lean, but for fairly bad reasons. I posted that read somewhere before, still at work so can't dig it up rigt now. Are you gunna wow us this game? I'm already impressed that you are reading the game. | ||
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On August 21 2015 11:24 ritoky wrote: i am town aligned, but i can't control who i vote for each phase. the mods literally rng it and send it to me at the start of the phase and it is mandatory that i vote for that individual. while fidei was an okay vote this past phase i am just gonna go ahead and claim this now in the event that i am alive and forced to vote on a town read of mine tomorrow. This is simultaneously both the most horrible and hilarious thing I have read this game. You played it into the RP rather well. Not sure best way to deal with it, prob just claim your RNG vote right away I guess. So finally had a chance to catch up on EoD. I really disliked the way that Wave, Damdred, and Rels were pushing people back onto the ruxx wagon. Wave is the only one of the 3 that I don't have a read on but Damdred and Rels have been looking pretty scummy to me already so now I'm fairly certain those reads were right. Damdred especially since he said he was dropping his RP to play more seriously then does basically nothing but one post saying to get back on ruxx, also twice now has he made internet excuses but he generally plays via phone posts anyways. I'm gunna let me read on Fidei take a backseat for now. I still think he's likely mafia (felt my points on him were decent as well) but a large part of the game seems to be reading him town so maybe I've just let myself get confirmation bias. Mixed feelings on Chez, I have no experience with the personality he rolled this game so thats hindering my ability to understand some of his posts. I'm also confused why he told me to "get with the cool kids" but then said I was the #1 cool kid I think, maybe... pretty sure I'm missing the point there kus I'm definitely not the coolest kid on the block. I'm ok with him staying in the game though, agree with HtS that he's a decent cop check or summin. + Show Spoiler + Something tells me we no roles as simple as a cop though... | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:30 geript wrote: Bullshit. Your role has to do something else too. He can probably promise a detailed and indepth analysis of this game but is unable to post it until nobody cares. | ||
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HtS NK makes sense, WoS is a bit of a surprise to me as I didn't have a clear read on him. + Show Spoiler + WIFOM senses tell me there is a mafia member who thinks Wave reads them easily Not sure what this nuke is, but atm it doesn't affect me so w/e | ||
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On August 22 2015 03:34 Rels wrote: Hts I cannot see the mafia motivation behind it but you are not reading what I post Never said ruxxar roleplaying ls was a reason to vote him, but you assumed I did Never said you reconsidered, but you assumed I did This is a terrible post from Rels, seems to me like he's soft pushing scum on her. Honestly I dislike the whole interaction between Rels and HtS around the time of this post. Rels claimed to hard townread HtS in his first post and sheeped her vote everywich way. But in this interaction he is just poking at her and never tries to talk about her reads besides him. We def should be lynching Rels today. However! This looks fun too... ##vote: fecalfeast | ||
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On August 22 2015 04:05 Tubesock wrote: Breshke was early on ruXxar and never left even though most his posts were about the nonRNG. He wasn't getting much of answers from Ritoky. My question is why didn't he change the vote for more pressure on Ritoky? He kept going for quite awhile so he obviously wanted an answer. But didn't care enough to change the vote from ruXxar. Or talk more about Fidei who he was also scumming at the time. He very well could have been waiting to see if others with influence taking up the charge on Ritoky. He was in a position to lynch Fidei if sentiment went more that way and was easily able to shed off Fidei as well. I actually kinda like this reasoning on Breshek, not sure it's correct but it is a decent reason to scum read Bre I think. I had wanted to ask HtS about this: On August 22 2015 04:01 Half the Sky wrote: Tubesock and Rels, if they are not shot definitely need to be the next lynches. That last post of his (the former) was bad. Tube, talk to us about EoD or something way the hell more contested than that. This being "That last post" On August 22 2015 03:37 Tubesock wrote: Hi. I think Geript is town. The games I read/played in with him that he was mafia he would instigate eimotional responses from the more veteraln players at the same time breadcrumbing reasons for his surviving NK's. He's done none of that here. I believe Damdreds 3rd party thing, but that's due host wifom. I don't see anything wrong with that post. The meta read on geript is w/e, the attempt to use meta on geript is fine since he's not RPing I just can't judge the validity of it. Also I'm thinking the same thing, a Chez role being 3p makes perfect sense. If anyone has insight into why this post is bad I'd appreciate it. In fact better explanations are in order for why Tube is mafia, I'm leaning town on him atm. Though mostly for tone. | ||
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At least your random vote makes your life easy. You vote who you have too, read through their filter to get a solid read on them, make that case, then can focus on the little one since your hands are tied past that. Any other attention/reads you give us I consider a bonus! | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:55 KelsierSC wrote: well i wanted to roleplay and have fun this game but fide decided that wasn't how this game was going to go down... so I did it anyway because fuck that guy amirite but he still got mad and sponged the fun out of the game geript is cool though...for a geript doe Yea, I'm pretty sure your town as well. Carry on, have some fun, done let the serious ppl get you down. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:06 geript wrote: There's literally zero reason to not lynch ritoky. There's literally zero reason to believe ritoky. There's zero way that can be his role. If it is then the game is irrelevant because that should never ever be a role in any game. Like the basic rules of fucking mafia is that you always get to control your own vote. Like there are roles that can alter votes (stealing votes, doubling votes, vote rigging, pardoning etc). But even those are generally exceptionally bad form in themed games. On top of that we've seen 3 roles flip and they're all normal. There's no reason to expect super not normal roles. Bottom line ritoky is lying and should be lynched. I mean... you were warned. On August 06 2015 05:26 Onegu wrote: Disclaimer Part 1: This game is not meant to be played super serious. I will do my best with the balance team to make it balanced. That being said I am trying to theme it well more than balance it well. I would enjoy it if you guys played serious but played to enjoy yourselves more. Disclaimer Part 2: If you have been a active player in the last 2 years there is a high probability you will be a role in this game. If you dont like it I dont really care I am onegu and you all love me and I am sure will forgive me. If you have a really big problem that you might be a role in this game PM me and I might take you out as a role. Disclaimer Part 3: This will be a completely closed setup. Nothing will be notified unless absolutely necessary. Disclaimer Part 4: This is a Onegu hosted game. Expect a hiccup hosting wise, because I am Onegu. Dont bitch about it if/when it happens. I will modkill you so hard ask Koshi. This being said I will do my best to make sure there are no hiccups but no promises. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:15 geript wrote: No. I refuse to accept that BH or anyone else would approve that shit or that Onegu is that much of a fucking retard to include shit like that without those roles having some other form of kp or a huge power level. No on is dumb enough to disallow town the ability to control their own vote. Seriously. Ask yourself if you have a 'standard' role. Named vt, cop, medic, mason, get, banisher, RBer, PGO, etc. if you do and 3 flips do then odds are all the roles are standard or mostly standard. So bullshit. People defending said bullshit are liars or mafia. Your assuming too much I think. What is there are only 3 mafia? What is these roles are in fact mafia-aligned? Like this game has DISCLAIMERS saying it may not be 100% balances and is setup for funsies and theme. There are tons of ways to try and balance around abnormally functioning roles. Though I do agree that it makes the most sense that there should be a counter-balance to such terrible voting restrictions within the roles themselves. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:13 KelsierSC wrote: being handsome ...slightly redundant role doe amirite it also lets me see the alignment of people I don't buy this... | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote: my role is town aligned if i give up my ability to vote on majority cases i can check alignments Nevermind, I didn't see this. Shutting up till I've read. | ||
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The only one that stands out... Is ritoky's. All of them are rather silly and makes their votes NAI, however rit's is the only one that is a pure hindrance without anything else attached. The other roles seem to be more situational/conditional and have some leeway. My own role has a nifty little trick, but it's unlikely that I will get to use it since it's rather conditional. So right now I'm thinking Rit is either lying to us about something or is mafia. | ||
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Ignoring it and dismissing it are two different things, especially when the notion was brought up by geript as being important. Idk, looking back now you admitted that we will prob have to lynch you sometime later on down the line so I can't seriously entertain the notion of you being mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:59 KelsierSC wrote: cos im a mother fucking boss WAT And I'm #1 Cool Kid On August 20 2015 21:48 Chezinu wrote: This is an evul question but ok: 1. Tictock 2. Fecalfeast, The Shining, Rels WUT WUT | ||
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On August 22 2015 09:01 Damdred wrote: I'm a bit disappointed my information was worthless but on a bright side geript was a target of a kp and the present blocked it. Uhh. Wat? Chez is god role or...? | ||
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On August 22 2015 23:58 geript wrote: Basically these guys plus Rels plus Kelsier need to die. That's 8 people. So hurry up and get yourselves modkilled or something. So why are you voting Rit over the other 7 players you've indicated here? On August 22 2015 16:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: Simple. He was the main alternate wagon d1, and why the fk not. We kill the uncertainty, reveal info about d1 vote patterns, etc. He's prob a prime d2 lynch candidate because the other plausible wagon is being nuked. People on this site rely on meta too much. Alternately nuke yams which i can still do, but no alignment indication or info for town besides my own, really. Funny that you say this, since neither of them are being voted on nor really talked about right now. On August 22 2015 16:13 Chezinu wrote: Yeah all do ##update Chezinu plz I'll bite ##update Chezinu That is all. | ||
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On August 23 2015 05:59 Bill Murray wrote: terrible idea tictok Probably er...what exactly are you referring to? | ||
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I'm around, and kinda like the way things are moving atm. Going a bit back and forth on Rels, he's made a few posts like he's trying to see if he can push scum on anyone else to save himself but also a few posts with decent thoughts. Like earlier he listed me as part of his town circle but then recently says HtS is good at reading me scum so mighta been onto something. Similar soft push onto geript. + Show Spoiler + On August 20 2015 16:54 Rels wrote: hello don't have time to play so will sheep my town reads ritoky, geript, HTS, TT, JJ, OWS On August 24 2015 01:12 Rels wrote: Read Hts filter. Her townread was ritoky, breshke, fidei and TT. TT read is super important to me. Especially, she called TT scum early on as obs in HG I think; in a game when TT was a super good scum and won, so she definitely has a good read of him. If I got the game name right, it was TT first game as scum. Like wos, scumread ksc tube and yamato, so good chance at least two maybe three mafia in here. Wary of damdred and chezinu. Feels a bit more like he's trying to find an alternate wagon to push than trying to identify scum atm. Fidei not being around all day till 2 hours before EoD is no bueno, but I'll at least wait to see what he's got to pass judgment. KSC is another possible lynch for me today mostly just because of this which he never responded too. On August 22 2015 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote: can we talk about why you're claim alignment cop with a green check in the first place? I'm kinda ok letting him live though just because he's probably gunna get NK'd if he's telling the truth. Chez is also an ok lynch since he has done nothing of value, tried to give/get reads, and the only thing of real note is his EoD1 stuff where he was basically broadcasting his role. Might mean more than I know idk anything about the person he rolled. Those are the people I think should be lynched today. Yamato could also be in this list but is pure policy, but hey he doesn't care about this game so I don't really care what happens to him. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to vote for rels. I dont like the yamato lynch at all. I dont even know what else is happening. I couldnt get a network cable today and cant fucking get my desktop to work properly unril tomorrow so i just stop right not. I am basically sheeping geriot right now because i havent have time to read pretty much anything today. Geript i am pretty sure yamato is not scum. You are probably not scum bwcause the night kills make no sense. Didn't you have a scum read on geript? Rayn is also a good lynch. Lots of excuses, promised explanations for his "geript and rels are mafia" entrance that never came. | ||
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Rels is being pushed too easily imo, plus he's doing stuff. Rayn is suddenly sheeping geript who he said was mafia last night and hasn't given anything solid for his scumread on rels. Fidei is also a good target imo both for dropping off the whole day, coming back 2 hours before EoD to write a case on the leading wagon, and also the meh town thing on HtS before she got NK'd. Also the stuff he was being scummed for D1. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post is fucking terrible. Are you all high? Not yet, but I'll get right on that. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:57 Fidei86 wrote: Thought about it, and I'm writing a big long post about why I'm switching to ritoky, and why you all should too. Are we gunna have time to read it and still do anything with it? | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:35 rsoultin wrote: Day 2 Votecount Rels (4): Fidei86 (4): The Shining, Damdred, Fecalfeast, Tictock Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, Rels, JudgeJudy, Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray, ritoky (1): Chezinu (1): The Shining (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (2): Yamato77, Tubesock Currently, Rels is set to be lynched with 4 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted. | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:40 Fidei86 wrote: @TT Look I love policy lynches, but does it make sense for any of the wagons to be mafia? I've never been in a day like this, but this feels like a "meh, town are on the wrong track" day from mafia. Very true, but not sure there's enough people around who are willing to move their votes to a new wagon this close to EoD | ||
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On August 24 2015 06:47 Fidei86 wrote: If Tube is mafia, which he probably is, mafia probably are texting/skyping him to get online. Wouldn't surprise me if he shenannys onto someone. ? He was a round a few hours ago, didn't really do say much though | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:14 Rels wrote: DIDNT SEE TUBE VOTED ME SO CLOSE TO DEATH Yea I noticed that as well, wonder what happened to the nuke on him... | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote: And geript....that's why town listens to me even when I'm not town. Ty for following me in shennans hahaha...though I am,glad we went Hey now.. I get some of the cred for that but you did help | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:57 ritoky wrote: except the part where y'know...damdred as 3p claimed a save on him/town conf....and kels claimed a green check on him. that could make it make sense....are you done? Humm Rit is prob mafia for this post. | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote: why? even if rayn was mafia that accusation was dumb. he literally was like "omg rayn flipped his read on a green checked person". that isn't a good accusation. Ehh, yea. I did also forget that you had made that post with rayn being a scum read as well. Within the timeline of how EoD was going down it just looks like a soft defend. Downgrade prob to poss | ||
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On August 24 2015 07:48 geript wrote: Wait so I get a shitty role that's not upgrade able of someone I didn't want. Fml Tell me about it ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/Xo2lUMGfBgf9C/200.gif) | ||
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His switch EoD to Yam doesn't really mean much imo and he was helping push people onto rayn when he coulda easily been pushing yam more. I have a hard time understanding why Obi is the most town out of your list here rit On August 24 2015 10:09 ritoky wrote: obi LT chez rels tubesock yamato of which i think obi is the most town. Everything I've seen from obi is consistent with his scum game. | ||
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On August 24 2015 04:08 Bill Murray wrote: im a daycop i cop checked breshke and he's town the parity of this is i only had 1 check so i might as well out it now So you had one person to check, and this was ~6hrs before EoD Why Breshke? | ||
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Interesting NKs as well, possibly trying to dodge saves? Not sure... So tbh, I'm not all that convinced LT is scum. The fact that he was saying to check rayn is only bad in retrospect since rayn flipped pgo, his late vote on rels is a bit more telling though For now, I'm with Obi Chez is either scum or needs to start pulling his weight if he is town. ##Vote: Chez | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:15 KelsierSC wrote: i checked me i'm town Whew, bet your relieved... Though what if you were framed? How much do you trust yourself? | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:16 Fecalfeast wrote: this is the only time tubesock references geript i think this is more spewing than shitty townread on a partner. Rayn also tried to push geript when he first entered the game. Also we still have both a green check and damdred's word that he is town-aligned. If it were just the green check after a framer flip I might be more suspect, but I think geript is practically confirmed town at this point. Maybe he just got an emo role and that's why he's so mad this game. Oh also I find no reason to distrust the greencheck on Bre. BM checked him at a weird time and with there being no pressure on Bre, don't think theres any chance of framer interference. Also seems unlikely there is another GF role with one flipped as well as a scum pgo. So Town circle for me is: Rels Fidei86 Breshke geript Damdred JudgeJudy KelsierSC Probably Town, but I'm not sure yet: ObiWanShinobi Ritoky Fecalfeastt Which just leaves LT and Chez as our lynch targets for today. | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:28 Fecalfeast wrote: i kinda want to kill the "alignment cop" who didn't die and then has no check I get where your head is at, but KSC helped us pull shenanies on Rayn... so yea | ||
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Idk, Why did they NK BM over me or damdred? I don't trust trying to follow NK logic on this one. | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote: Wait, rels is probably 98% town now too. Let me think through this. He was the alternative wagon, he unvotes and then tubesock (conf mafia) flips causing a tie vote. If rels is mafia with tube/rayn then tube has literal 0 motivation to make the swap. It is completely sub-optimal since he knows with 100% certainty that a mafia is dying so he should just be on the winning side for the credit. That play makes no sense in a mafia vs mafia wagon. Thus it had to be mafia vs town, thus rels is town. I think this makes sense, can someone confirm? Makes sense to me. Lets See: Tubes vote was like 2 min before EoD (nonofficial) Vote Count after that: Day 2 Votecount raynpelikonee (6): KelsierSC, Damdred, Tictock, Fidei86, Rels, The Shining Rels (5):Chezinu, geript, raynpelikoneet, Lord Tolkien, Tubesock Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, JudgeJudy, Yamato77 Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray Chezinu (1): Breshke geript (1): Fecalfeast Currently, raynpelikonee is set to be lynched with 5 votes[blue] ] So at this moment it is clear Tube is trying to get Rels back into lynch able territory. After this KSC switches to The Shining, making the wagons tied again [b]! JJ consolidates on Rayn (6), and then Rels switches to Yam (Rayn back to 5) So it should be really clear Rels is town as both flipped scum were pushing for his lynch, Tube's vote shows he wanted to save rayn by getting Rels lynched. Rels own move onto yam was honestly suicide as it just opened him back up as a target and Yam wasn't close enough to be a lynch. Thus Rels is like 100% town as I said sometime last night. The swap from KCS is actually more interesting than I thought because if it weren't for JJ switching to Rayn this move would have left Rels getting lynched, though there is no way KSC could know that Rels was going to move his vote. I still say KSC is probably town for helping get the lynch on rayn going, he did swap off but only after rayn had gained majority. However him trying to wiggle out of talking about the check he gained from that swap is very scummy so I would hope while I've been typing this he has posted more about it. KSC might be worth looking at in another day or so, but he's def not a lynch today. Everyone else, including rels, who was voting for Rayn is pretty much confirmed town as well imo. | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: i checked LT and it came back mafia, like i said not useful Perfect. Do we have any more nukes to throw at him? I say lynch Chez & nuke TL! | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky What is your role? It has been long enough now, you talked up having an extra power other than being forced to vote for someone, and I really want to know what it is. He got to shoot Yamato last night. | ||
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On August 25 2015 08:09 geript wrote: Oh and I'm like the only person in the game that doesn't get fucking KP in a themed game. Seriously Onegu? Are you really just doing your damnedest to piss me off? Humm, maybe I've been RPing better than i thought. I've been able to do dick all with my abilities as well. Failed my upgrade I didn't know about kus it required me to be good at this game ^.^ | ||
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@Chez I don't want to hear why you think people are scum reading you, I want to know what your going to do to help us catch scum Decent chance there are 2 left, who are they? And try to give at least some semblance of why plz. | ||
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LT has a redcheck against him plus some ofther stuff that make it pretty likely he's mafia. So really only worth wondering about Obi then and I've been suggesting that for awhile now. | ||
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On August 25 2015 16:19 Breshke wrote: ff is mafia Possibly pretty risky to try and throw a fake null check on LT like that and push for KSC but your right Is a direct lie/contradiction to what he told us before On August 25 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote: I guess since it isn't really my role I should just out. My upgrade was a 1-shot cop check which I used on Lord Tolkien. The result I got was literally "No Result" so unless I got a fake cop check, kelsier's check is 100% fake So it is very possible this is a last ditch effort of sorts. Clumsy one if it is... Obv FF has some 'splainin to do | ||
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Conflicting reads on LT really just means we lynch him either way to resolve the dispute. | ||
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I'm not even sure where my head is at after catching up from all that. KSC helped start the wagon on Rayn last EoD, we are not lynching him today. His play while being total shit, has been the same today as it was the whole game. Having said that, the point Rit? (maybe FF) made about the people he voted for is interested but isn't terribly solid imo. I'm inclined to believe Chez is being honest here in general. It would be stupid of him to lie about a check going through if he was RB'd. Its possible that he lied about the check in general though since he would not have been notified of the RB. I feel like there has been a lot of chaos added to the game by Rit and FF today. Rit seems to be making more effort to solve the game however. So I suppose this leaves me wanting to lynch either LT or FF. LT's latest posts have me wondering, but I also think the check on DD was stupid and is likely a lie. Prob still my top lynch. | ||
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Honestly though I don't think we should be spending nearly as much time as we have been trying to speculate about the balance setup of a game this heavily themed. Looking for motivations behind actions is good, but questioning the number of cop checks/nukes/KP is prob not going to get us very far. Especially with upgrades being a thing. | ||
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Rels Fidei86 Breshke geript Damdred JudgeJudy ObiWanShinobi Ritoky Tictock Fecalfeastt Lord Tolkien Chezinu KelsierSC These are our 13 Players atm. It is D3 and 2 mafia are dead, Mafia prob have 1KP tonight, at most 2 but that's not likely. 1 Nuke has been launched, and Obi claims having another. We are likely very nearly out of Nukes this game. So lets assume 2 KP per night (to help factor in nukes and possible Vig shots or w/e) for the rest of the game. This leaves town with roughly 2 mislynches left, possibly more with less KP. Just to make sure there is no confusion. Also, while thinking through this post I realized there is 0 evidence that there is a SK. I think we should disregard this notion. | ||
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Saw me posting "I dont know if we have time or enough to swap" Then decides to start the wagon that busses his teammate? Granted he jumped off the wagon, but he only did that a) at :59 and b) after rayn had majority. Really stupid scum play by him to go, "hey they might start a wagon on my teammate, better get it started so I can get cred" then later try to jump off it last min... Honestly is there is any mafia who were on the Rayn wagon it would be JJ. His vote on rayn only happened one rayn was for sure being lynched. I've looked at the voting from that EoD in detail thank you. Made a post about it somewhere, though I didn't note the point about JJ. | ||
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She hasn't been paying me anyways. Posting has dropped off a ton as well. Some shady posts today, def just focused on the gifs. | ||
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Tbh old mason buddy I think I'd anti nuke chez if I could. I don't really have reasons why, just going with my gut. | ||
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On August 26 2015 18:27 Rels wrote: Plus ritoky claimed Chez lied about his check, so at least one of them is not-town. This is possibly true. Like i'm kinda trying to ignore all the claims and shit and happened today, kus like... this game is weird like that. I'd try and explain my thoughts on chez, but it prob wont even make much sense. So I suppose you can ignore me. Btw Rels, I agree about LT. I just think your being silly with this nonsense about an SK. KSC is pretty clearly town imo. | ||
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Not really a fan of those, lets do an objective look at him shall we? Summary of what KSC has done this game: -Literally the first person to claim a check, green on geript. While I agree it's been awhile since we last checked I'm pretty sure this still holds up. -First vote on a wagon that formed 5 min before EoD to lynch mafia. He swapped off at literally the last moment and has already explained that he only gets checks by not being on the leading wagon. -Claims a redcheck on LT. -Buttshitted and trolled. If anyone finds something I missed let me know. Basically all this points to KSC being town, unless we can show that the redcheck is a lie. The last point is clearly NAI though it's an easy thing to push on. KSC being scum makes no sense. Why would you buss your teammate rayn last min EoD2 only to fakeclaim a redcheck D3? Scum would fake a greencheck or do what LT did and fake a check on Damdred. Honestly FF is prob the last mafia with LT and is trying to create a bunch of chaos by bringing up his own check, this SK nonsense, and this push on KSC over LT. We never lynch KSC over LT in this situation, that is just wrong. | ||
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Nuke the Fez! | ||
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Should JJ die because she's a mean boss? Or does she post enough funny pictures to stay alive? | ||
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On August 25 2015 18:49 Chezinu wrote: I received a pm stating said person was 3P and was dead. = Yam Also why he said FF's "no result" =/= 3p | ||
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Doesn't the fact that FF's null check on LT is also in conflict with KSC's redcheck mean that FF is the most likely to be lying here? | ||
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I thought you'd like that. | ||
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On August 26 2015 21:40 Rels wrote: Last thing, Chez + LT flipping will give infos on KSC, FF and ritoky in one go, which is super good. This is true, however... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xbhUbRx.gif) | ||
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I'm admittedly not that great with balance stuff and you're right there is a ton of KP and checks floating around as well so more is more likely maybe I was letting my hopes that we have nearly solved the game get to me | ||
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On August 26 2015 22:33 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2nm2etlEo1r3ifxzo1_500.gif) BACK TO WORK! Oh god, not the Omni-Whip! I have half a mind to bring this labor dispute up to The Peoples Court! | ||
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On August 26 2015 23:52 Breshke wrote: So has jj claimed any role actions? Just the standard green check on geript + Show Spoiler + I don't think it was serious, least the gif looked pretty trolly on that one | ||
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Regardless of alignment it looks like LT has given up. I find it fairly scummy that he aknowledges that he will be a top lynch after rayns flip, but his only attempts to defend are to invite questions and suggest he could have been framed or miller. The check on damdred is off both in timing and in choice of check, his explantion was fairly weak as well. Plus, we have a redcheck on him so yea, Stay on LT, not a day for shenanies. | ||
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I've been thinking pretty much exactly the same about FF, if he is scum his play is pretty desperate and risky and only serves to ping himself out as a teammate to LT. However, there is still the weirdness that he claims to have checked Wave N1 but never got a check, whereas Chez did recieve a check back on Yam stating that he was 3p and dead. I also find it odd that when he received a "no result" from his check his approach was to push KSC for lying rather than lynching LT to verify KSC's check. So I still think FF is a decent target to lynch/nuke. Yes Obi should use his nuke. | ||
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On August 27 2015 14:06 geript wrote: I think the best strategic nuke is Damdred. I actually 100% agree. | ||
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I'm fairly certain that role PMs did not contain all the information that is shown with the flips. Though I have no real way of knowing if the "(fake)" was part of LT's role PM or not. However, if LT and Chez were on a team and LT knew his nuke was fake, why did he not shoot down the nuke on Chez before EoD? If they were a team and LT is about to get lynched and Chez about to get nuked you'd think LT would use the anti-nuke to save his teammate for at least a little while. Idk, theres a lot of weird stuff going on. | ||
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On August 27 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote: I hope this nuke doesn't go off ok chez and Lt gets mod killed... On August 27 2015 14:39 Damdred wrote: Like I have anti nukes and I will use them to protect myself at this juncture to make sure I survive. So why didn't you use one of your anti-nukes for Chez? | ||
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On August 27 2015 14:44 Breshke wrote: NVM idk why i read half your post before i tried to reply that was stupid. But if LT shoots down a nuke on his partner then flips mafia doesn't that just make him seem mafia? If chez is town why doesn't LT blow it up so then we lynch chez the next day? Yea but isn't his partner surviving for one more day when your for sure gunna die better than both of you dying? Idk why LT should care about town!Chez living or not. | ||
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On August 27 2015 14:46 Damdred wrote: Why should I of? I thought chez win on was that but even that's a bit out there isn't it? And that's not enough for me to use it on Idk, just found it interesting that you indicated you'd save chez if you could, which granted maybe wasn't really your intent, then reveal tonight that you apparently have multiple anti-nukes at the ready to defend yourself. Who do you think Obi should nuke Damdred? | ||
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On August 27 2015 15:01 Breshke wrote: It would be better for mafia to keep misslynchable chez around than to have him nukes. This is wifom though This does make sense. Chez's vote did end up on KSC so yea. I think I should reread the last ~24 hours of the thread again. | ||
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LT launched his nuke like 1 hr before EoD and Chez wasn't around as far as we can tell. It's actually a little weird to me that LT would make a big deal about his nuke and wait so long to launch it if he knew it was a fake. But that line of thinking is pretty wifom. A couple of interesting points though, LT implied he wanted to nuke on Tube to happen and Tube implied Chez should be saved On August 24 2015 05:44 Lord Tolkien wrote: If yams shoots down the tubes nuke i will be srsly annoyed right now. Anyways. LCS start imminent so gonna consolidate on rels now and fire muh lazor guided nuke. ##nuke chezinu On August 24 2015 05:49 yamato77 wrote: I guarantee a nuke will be shot down town gets to vote on which one gogo On August 24 2015 05:51 Tubesock wrote: Chez is more entertaining by far. Plus, I'd have to stay in this shitshow. It still also bugs me that LT never used his anti-nuke. Bah, starting to dislike nukes >.< | ||
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On August 27 2015 18:14 Rels wrote: Your other point is super interesting but doesn't make sense in my head. Will think about it. You and me both. I think your also starting to notice something that has been bugging me, but I'll get to that later. | ||
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Can you explain to me why you voted KSC? If you had a nuke right now, would you use it? If so, on Who? | ||
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On August 25 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote: I guess since it isn't really my role I should just out. My upgrade was a 1-shot cop check which I used on Lord Tolkien. The result I got was literally "No Result" so unless I got a fake cop check, kelsier's check is 100% fake On August 25 2015 13:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Fuck it i think my role is stupid anyway and i will start playing vt. I am a cop but my check is limited to who my vote ended up on the day previous. My check on geript went through and i got green Votes (courtesy of Rels): + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2015 17:03 Rels wrote: Vote recaps colored with flips Day 1 final vote ruXxar (7): Breshke, Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock (2): The Shining, Fidei86 (2): ritoky, ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar WaveofShadow (1): FecalFeast Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC Damdred (0): VayneAuthority (0): yamato77 (0): Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Day 1 vote recap + Show Spoiler + ritoky voted for fidei86 geript voted for ritoky Fecalfeast voted for damdred Damdred voted for fecalfeast Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for judgejudy Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for damdred Chezinu voted for ritoky Chezinu unvoted ruXxar voted for damdred Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for damdred Tubesock voted for Fidei86 Breshke voted for ruXxar Half the Sky voted for ruXxar The Shining voted for Fidei86 Rels voted for ruXxar ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar ruXxar unvoted ruXxar voted for geript WaveofShadow voted for ruXxar Lord Tolkien voted for Vayne Authority Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for yamato77 ruXxar unvoted ruXxar voted for ObiWanShinobi The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for Tubesock JudgeJudy voted for WaveofShadow geript unvoted geript voted for chezinu Tictock voted for Fidei86 Rels unvoted Rels voted for Fidei86 Rels unvoted Rels voted for Tubesock Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for Tubesock JudgeJudy unvoted JudgeJudy voted for Chezinu Tubesock unvoted Tubesock voted for yamato77 ObiWanShinobi unvoted ObiWanShinobi voted for chezinu WaveofShadow unvoted WaveofShadow voted for Chezinu Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Chezinu Tubesock unvoted Tubesock voted for Chezinu Fidei86 voted for Chezinu yamato77 voted for Chezinu KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for kelsierSC Half the Sky unvoted Half the Sky voted for Tubesock WaveofShadow unvoted WaveofShadow voted for Tubesock Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Tubesock ObiWanShinobi unvoted ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for damdred KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for damdred Damdred unvoted Damdred voted for ruXxar Half the Sky unvoted Half the Sky voted for ruXxar Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for ruXxar Rels unvoted Rels voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for chezinu KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for chezinu KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for WaveofShadow Day 2 final vote raynpelikoneet (5): Rels (5): Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray, Chezinu (1): geript (1): Fecalfeast ritoky (0): The Shining (1): KelsierSC (0): Fidei86 (0): Day 2 vote recap + Show Spoiler + ritoky voted for Fecalfeast Bill Murray voted for Fecalfeast Tictock voted for Fecalfeast KelsierSC voted for Rels Fecalfeast voted for Rels Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Rels ObiWanShinobi voted for Yamato77 Chezinu voted for Rels Rels voted for Yamato77 geript voted for ritoky Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Chezinu Breshke voted for Chezinu JudgeJudy voted for Yamato77 Lord Tolkien voted for Yamato77 geript voted for Chezinu geript unvoted geript voted for Chezinu geript unvoted geript voted for Rels The Shining voted for Rels Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for KelsierSC KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for The Shining Fidei86 voted for Rels The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for Fidei86 raynpelikoneet voted for Rels Damdred voted for Fidei86 Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Rels Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for raynpelikoneet Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for ritoky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for Fidei86 Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Fidei86 Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Yamato77 Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for Yamato77 Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for Yamato77 Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for geript KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for raynpelikoneet Damdred unvoted Damdred voted for raynpelikoneet The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for Yamato77 Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for raynpelikoneet Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for raynpelikoneet Rels unvoted Rels voted for raynpelikoneet yamato77 voted for Yamato77 The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for raynpelikoneet Tubesock voted for Rels KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for The Shining JudgeJudy unvoted JudgeJudy voted for raynpelikoneet Rels unvoted Rels voted for Yamato77 Day 3 final vote Lord Tolkien (8): Rels, Fidei86, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Tictock, Damdred, ritoky KelsierSC (3): geript, Fecalfeast, Chezinu Damdred (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (1): Lord Tolkien Day 3 vote recap + Show Spoiler + Rels voted for Lord Tolkien Fidei86 voted for Lord Tolkien geript voted for KelsierSC JudgeJudy voted for Lord Tolkien KelsierSC voted for Damdred ObiWanShinobi voted for Lord Tolkien Fecalfeast voted for KelsierSC Breshke voted for Lord Tolkien Tictock voted for Lord Tolkien Damdred voted for Lord Tolkien ritoky voted for Lord Tolkien Chezinu voted for KelsierSC When asked why he checked geript, who already had 2 green checks. On August 25 2015 19:33 Fecalfeast wrote: 1 i did not believe KSC had an alignment check in the first place. 2 I didn't get a pm if that's what you are asking. If you are not, wos died and flipped green yes But he forgets Damdred's claim that geript is effectively checked green as well, also this is where Chez's claim that he recieved a check back on a dead player becomes a conflict. On August 25 2015 19:47 Fecalfeast wrote: You are assuming I think a lot harder about stuff than I do At this point all of KSC's checks have been verified, but FF's doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, why check geript if you are doubting KSC? Now I'm not sure it makes him mafia exactly because this is a risky play for mafia and doesn't seem worth it, but I really question the suggestion that we should lynch KSC before FF has flipped. Yea Bre just explained why FF claiming all this doesn't make a lot of sense as Mafia. I personally still don't like the claim FF made and would nuke him over chez. 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On August 27 2015 23:55 Damdred wrote: It wouldn't be horrible to nuke ff me dying doesn't prove disprove ksc mafia. just remember that its wifom and could be a trap See? Good posts ^.^ | ||
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No I get where your head is at, and my gut read on Chez could be totally off. He did claim his role, it looks to be something like a modkilled player who is still posting in game. Idk I've seen something about roles like that before which is why I'm kinda ok to buy it. The real question is does the role he is claiming make sense as Koshi? Like the Chez role being a survivor makes sense, a quick look at Koshi's games and he might be knows for his 3p SK role, but I don't really know being newer here. I also noted that there was some Host Fck up that allowed Koshi to take the win that game, maybe that's related to Chez's stuff. That's about as much logic and sense that I can put out for my Chez read. | ||
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On August 27 2015 19:19 Chezinu wrote: Let me paraphrase my role so I don't break them rules... My role be like saying, You forgets them wincon! Forgets be got modkilled just make bad situation worse. YOU no Care! It's the hosts' problem! | ||
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump This is what I'd been thinking of, but idk. | ||
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You appeared to be in need of a fire under your arse to help get some things done. Also is was interesting to see who else wanted to jump on that action. Posts like that one are why I appreciate being in your employ, and is why there will be several bills sent to you later for my services. | ||
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On August 28 2015 00:54 Breshke wrote: Tbh I don't like how obi said he is reading stuff to make his decision but isn't showing any evidence of it in the thread. Like normally I feel like people have at least one or two quotes they want clarifying Think he said he was phone posting so it could be hard for him to do so but kind of makes me think he is mafia Tbh I've never had reason to read Obi as town. It's been riding on a hope and a dream | ||
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If only I had held onto that Cannon though... | ||
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So I'm actually somewhat serious about wanting to lynch Obi. Rels is pointing out how posts Obi made while heming and hawing last night while still failing to launch his nuke. It's actually worse than that, Obi had that nuke all cycle guys and only manages to decide what to do with it after JJ launches a nuke at FF and after deadline. Tbh though I'm not sure that means he did it to protect Chez. If Chez is town (or not-mafia at least) then mafia want him as a mislynch. I'd also like to point out it is 100% confirmed that Chez and Obi are not on the same team. Obi launched his nuke (too late, but he posted it in thread) and then Chez anti-nukes it (even though it turns out he didn't need to). If Obi had know Chez had the anti-nuke and they are on the same team then Obi either fires at Chez (much earlier) and it gets anti nuked, so Obi can go "I tried" or Obi fires at FF. I think it was Bre who pointed out that mafia might want non-mafia!Chez to stay alive so that he could be a mislynch, which is something the last 2 mafia desperately need right now. Idk I could easily swing either way on Obi, but to me him not being able to decide a nuke target in 72 hours means he's worried about how he will look from the resultant flip which suggests he knows he's not going to nuke mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2015 02:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Already been addressed. Pay attention. So do something that sways me. Talk is cheap. | ||
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You had 72 hours before Today to decide what to do with it, yet you leave it for the last min and mostly have no opinions yourself. So... yea Call me what you like. | ||
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Town!Obi has one thing to think about last night, who to nuke. Mafia!Obi is trying to figure out a NK as well as who to nuke, and the nuke is more complicated because he kinda doesn't want to get rid of another mislynch. So the excuses of, "I was at work" or "Deadline was unclear" are bullshit from a town perspective as you simply decide on a target before work well before any deadline. Yea I read your case on Chez, I still think what I think. I don't have anything solid to backup my opinions. I probably wont vote for Chez, but I'm not gunna waste my time trying to defend him at this point either. Sorry Chez. | ||
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On August 29 2015 03:52 geript wrote: I forget who it was, but someone said something about KSC not bothering to come clean re: his check which directly lead to FF getting lynched but is happy to come clean now. That's really odd behavior for town. This is a good point. Also it's really weird that he was claiming to have investigative powers for 2 days but was not NK'd. So either KSC is mafia or somehow Mafia knew he was lying about his role from the get go. | ||
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On August 29 2015 03:51 Rels wrote: Waiting to see if true  Funny chez is not attacking ritoky who counter claimed him Humm, I forgot Rit claimed RB, and said he RB'd Chez. Also a bit stange that mafia killed Bre over either Rit or KSC then since at the time they posed more of a threat. | ||
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On August 25 2015 22:42 JudgeJudy wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/HnfdiBwdvcBsQ/giphy.gif) IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT I just alignment checked geript and he is town. Image hidden for sake of the thread. | ||
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Why aren't you nuking Obi? I mean he tried to nuke you and said we should lynch you. Rels is just pushing you pretty hard. | ||
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I think you quoted the wrong quote or summin The point of my post you quoted there was that both KSC and Rit had claimed roles that are potentially very bad news for Mafia, yet they elected to kill Bre. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:37 Fidei86 wrote: @TT didn't KSC admit that he had been lying about his claim? He did, but how did mafia know he was lying? I'd still like KSC to clarify his role. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Zing! I also missed my upgrade kus it required me to be good at this game. So I have nothing special going on. Also I'm rather upset I have not gotten any nukes... | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:45 geript wrote: Also people need to unvote chez immediately. Kels has something w/ his role maybe ends day early if a majority of something and I don't trust him. I don't exactly trust him either, but what makes you think the bolded? | ||
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No basic ability I think if the stars align I can summon Armageddon, but with mercury in retrograde that's hot happening anytime soon. | ||
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Holyflare Godfather Untrackable Unwatchable Framer You are the ultimate scum player. The mafioso of all mafiosos. The lawyer-in-training who will get all your crooked pals to walk...for a tidy sum, of course. You can talk yourself out of anything...and talk and talk and talk. What’s a silly little red check for a player like the amazing Holyflare? Hell, you can even convince everyone that the sky is orange, water is dry and only witches can float. Grab your torch and pitchfork! If you just talk long and forcefully enough, they’ll do whatever you want. Guaranteed. Upgrade: (hard) 8 page day 1 filter You just beat them over the head with all that rhetoric, didn’t you? All that pull in thread really pays off. You have unlocked...frame targets, if town, become a wanderer! If Scum, they become Untrackable and Unwatchable. The last line suggests that Framer can frame mafia to look like town, I'm fairly certain it is possible even w/o the upgrade effect. Also I approve of the Red Green Show gif. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:44 JudgeJudy wrote: My anger management therapist recommends yoga. Actually I preffer Twister | ||
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I won't even scum read Obi for continuing to hold his nuke. Damdred is making a good point, better to hold it till Night phase when town has some more info. | ||
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On August 29 2015 16:21 Rels wrote: Like ritoky is not confirmed mafia in my mind 'cause: HTS could have been killed by rayn (unwatchable) and ritoky was just rb'ing her He wanted to kill mafias most of the game He didn't sheep the vote on me even though he suspected me D2 And the main thing for me: ritoky plays a lot with having the best odds. Him being mafia means he nuked Chezinu so Chez would antinuke directly after. But doing that, they wasted a nuke and a antinuke; I don't think ritoky as mafia would have made that play If rit flips mafia it somewhat confirms chez as not mafia though. | ||
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You being wrong about Chez is just as likely as me being wrong about him ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/6kYLuk32wv7GM/200.gif) | ||
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On August 29 2015 20:00 Fidei86 wrote: Also, isn't there a nuke currently heading at Rels from Chez? No it was fake, Hosts never confirmed the launch. | ||
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I know I said they can't be on the same team but if Chez is mafia then there is like every posibility that the anti-nuke was fake and was a play into wifom. Also makes way too much sense why Obi would hols his nuke then, he knew if he used it on anyone but Chez or FF he would be up for a lynch. However using it on FF just made Chez a very likely lynch today and couldn't use it on chez expect for after deadline. | ||
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Better nuke me then | ||
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On August 30 2015 00:40 geript wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, the watcher claim connects Ritoky to HtS but I forget the rest. Way to swing in and dazzel us with your knowledge and ideas >.< I'll go back to lurking now. | ||
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1 mafia left, who's gunna flip it? Honestly if it's not KSC or Obi we are gunna have to do some hard rethinking tomorrow. You all know what I think. Wonder if Chez was in on mafia QT as traitor... meh prob doesn't matter. | ||
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D1 vote is a little more interesting now. Though I'm not sure it's safe to assume Mafia knew Chez was traitor? | ||
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Don't Worry ![[image loading]](http://img.bleskove.centrum.cz/photo/8/24/276.jpg) I'm Nice + Show Spoiler + Just don't bring magnets | ||
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Still, geript how does it feel to be on the wrong wagon every day? | ||
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5 Mafia, 1 Traitor, 2 Neutral 3p, and 13 town sounds a little out of wack, but I suppose 6 mafia-aligned players in a themed game this size with nukes and such is plausible. That's actually a pretty scary thought if KSC doesn't flip red. | ||
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On August 30 2015 19:14 Fidei86 wrote: Because they are trying to get lynched, but lynching them don't take town any further forward. Basically town wastes a day on a total distraction, while Mafia march towards Lylo. Like I get that you feel Yam played this way, but trying to say the role itself is mafia aligned is pretty silly. anti-nuke, +Possible Masons & Vest Eh, I suppose the role could be played out any way the person wants. Sounds really similar to the role Damdred has though, so it's funny you say it's clearly mafia aligned. | ||
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Ok, so based on what we now know regarding the day 2 lynch I find it super unlikely that there was any mafia on the rayn lynch. JJ effectively preserved the wagon when KSC and rels switched off rayn and has been pretty towny all game. I could probably tinfoil damdred and fidei being the last 2 mafia alive, but... Meh. Only paranoid thoughts and the notion that Damdred is totally willing to buss keep this thought alive, by and large these 2 have been contributing and helping to push the game forward. So this leaves: Obi Rit Geript Now whats odd is that both geript and rit have had greenchecks on them, but something tells me that Obi flipping will not end the game. Rels was also fairly adiment about rit being mafia even though he said he had a green check on him. I wonder why that is... Personally I feel like I want to look at Rit and geript in greater depth today. Also, what do we think... 2 mafia left or 1 ? If theres 2 left I have a hard time seeing anyone on a team with Obi. | ||
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On August 31 2015 09:15 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9010sXDqf1qdhag9o1_500.gif) Just read through every remaining players filter this game. I think I have a preferred lynch for today, but I want to check on a few more things. I'll try to summarize my thoughts, but it's probably going to take a while since there are a lot of angles that I'm looking at. Stay tuned Please tell me it's damdred. Just once I want one of my tin foil theories to be correct. | ||
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On August 31 2015 16:02 geript wrote: Deal with it. Ritoky and I are basically confirmed. Which I hate because it means I'm likely to be alive when we win or lose; regardless of win or lose, this game is going to look terrible on my track record. Eh, I think at least one of you is confirmed. It is true that you both have green checks from confirmed cops, however there is that slim chance of framer action. Interestingly though, both of you were checked N2, so at least one of those checks is pure (no chance of meddling). | ||
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If there is any chance of mafia being on the rayn wagon, JJ has the most likely vote to be a bus. That :59 vote with no thread presence... Besides of course a quality gif. Basically it looks like the switch of someone who sees a chance to grab towncred on a wagon they cannot stop. Like anyone else on that wagon (myself included) would have had to have had the balls to go against everyone else on their team and go "Screw it, we don't need a PGO this game. Rayn sucks anyhow, I'mma get him lynched and roll in the towncred" Possible, but all of this is degrees of unlikely. | ||
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Besides, I honestly don't see getting much information out of his lynch. I'm not happy that Fidei choose to watch me, but I think his thinking there shows more paranoid town than mafia since mafia would probably come up with a better lie. Though idk what would lead anyone to think there is a medic this game. I honestly like JJ's case a lot. 10/10 Would sheep. + Show Spoiler + Might Sheep I'm not sure how many mafia are left, I'm really hoping it's one. | ||
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Also I don't get your mason thing. So you just get to open up a mason QT once per cycle with whomever you choose, whenever you care to open it up? Interested in what meta you get for me... far as I know nobody has really tried to meta read me yet. | ||
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On September 01 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote: Tt tell me when you are here I have an important question for you What up? This? On September 01 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote: Anyway I just want to hear why tt claims he doesn't have an active ability but visited people last night. And who he visited and why I didn't who says I did? | ||
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I'm wondering why you think geript is more likely town than rit. I mean I get your case on rit, but there seems to be a lot more solid reasons to think Rit is possibly town than geript who basically just has the greencheck. | ||
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Obi Rit Geript I'm not sure which of those I most prefer to lynch, there are towny and scummy points about them all. | ||
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There is no reason why I would have been visiting someone, and I don't see my role coming with an unaware wanderer or anything. | ||
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You earlier mentioned that you were getting scummy vibes from Rit, but the check and him shooting yam both caused you to pause and reconsider. I'm just wondering if you'd be so sure about him being town without those points. Same thing for geript | ||
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On September 01 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: Overall I don't think lynching into the Rayn wagon is a good idea, so to me the only real lynch candidates today are: Obi Rit Geript I'm not sure which of those I most prefer to lynch, there are towny and scummy points about them all. I'm prob just being silly here even considering Rit an geript. Obi is the obvious choice out of the 3, but somehow that feels too easy. | ||
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On August 31 2015 22:41 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/DeppCollector/2010%20Alice%20in%20Wonderland/hatter%20gif-104_zpsnuccoidb.gif) I'm a Mad Hatter. Not sure if TT has revealed more than that pic about his role. Really disappointed that I don't have something that I could put to better use, but it is what it is. Claiming whether I still have my bomb or where it currently may be doesn't have much benefit, so I'll leave it at that. Now on to the ritoky stuff...[/QUOTE] Why would you claim this? Like it was pretty unlikely that you were going to be lynched, and now it's pretty unlikely that your going to be NK'd. Seems like claiming nullifies any potential benefit of your role whole also providing a good excuse to survive. Maybe I'm just not familiar with how MH's work. Is it possible to lose your bomb if your current target dies? | ||
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On September 01 2015 09:03 ritoky wrote: @TT if geript is mafia, then there are two mafia alive since I roleblocked him last night and kp still occurred (also fid claimed rb so my rb wasn't magically rb'd). In the very unlikely scenario where geript is mafia, who's his most likely partner? Honestly every time I try and imagine a world with 2 mafia left JJ keeps coming to mind as part of the team. For some reason I have a hard time seeing you & Obi or Geript and Obi as a team, but it's possible. | ||
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So after relooking at geript I'm willing to consider him pretty nearly confirmed town. His mason with Wave would make sense for how he survived KSC's Vig shot N1 and I'm not sure his ability makes much sense for a mafia role. Plus the grencheck and his early game anger at all the roleplay seemed legit. Rit is a tough one. The RB on HtS seems like an off choice, however after some checking his point about mafia sending Tube to do the NK's is legit. His role stuff is the main thing that bugs me. Knowing that he needed to RNG vote to upgrade seems off, and it does look like a good cover. It's also interesting that Rels who had gotten the greencheck on rit was so willing to push Rit's lynch last night. JJ is an interesting person to consider lynching. Looking back at the way D2 ended it seems even more off to me the way JJ switched onto rayn. The fact that he had no thread presence at all that EoD yet jumped on rayn when he was pretty much for sure getting lynched (nobody could know Rels would swap to Yam) yet had time to find that gif actually looks really bad to me now that I've thought about it more in depth. Other than hand though JJ has been pretty towny. Maybe I'll get more reading done in the morning, but that's kinda where my head is at after reviewing some stuff. | ||
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On September 01 2015 14:05 ritoky wrote: here's my last bit of shit until i come back to vote: JJ - wrong, pushing wrong for bad and falsified reasons, voted at 59 on rayn wagon but found gif in time; is wrong, what is end game when i flip town if mafia? not trying to get read on anyone else, claimed MH aka don't lynch me bro role OWS - poe from rayn wagon, vanillizing not alignment indicative role would lean toward it being mafia sided but meh, play is more town than others TT - stone nothing, literal 0 memory of his play since rayn lynch, suddenly now under pressure = more active, claims no active ability role when almost eveyone has had, will not talk about role even though everyone claimed and has not justified it, PoE cuz fid prob town, damd 3p, ger town, me town. Heh, yea ok your prob mafia. Scum reading me because I'm suddenly "more active" when being pushed and not wanting to discuss my role. Yet using the point's I've brought up against JJ against him at the same time. Though I do agree about the 1 shot nullify thing from obi being nai and thus not a great reason to think him more town, but ignores that Obi was telling people to avoid him because something bad would happen. Oddly enough I think a lot of people agree Obi could be scum here and he might very well be the best lynch. The reason I say I feel like his lynch isn't too informative is because there is less contention there. It's the mechanical easy play, (Everyone not on Rayn wagon - green checks = Obi) and it will still be there tomorrow so I'm inclined to leave him alone another day. @ JJ I'll respond to your stuff sometime in the morning | ||
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On September 02 2015 02:37 Damdred wrote: I really don't care to make a case just some of his posts seem mafia oriented like his post about having a good read on ksc but not pushing against his nuke. Or how most of today has been about throwing shade on the other people who will be up for lynch soon and defending himself. Also idk how today anyone can say he's really re evaluating its mostly sheeping and defending and shade... Though that could go either way tbh. Mistly I'm just pretty sure that obi is town, I'm 3p and geript is town Assuming this is in reference to me. Defending, when? I honestly don't give a shit that you and rit are scum reading me, Obi sorta wanting to lynch me makes sense since I've been the main person questioning him, and Geript has been wrong most of this game so not too concerned with his opinion on me. Sheeping yes, sorta. Shade, I guess. I like to push people for reactions. It's interesting to me that JJ is sorta defending me when I've been off and on pushing him as mafia, and that pretty much seals him being town for me because if he is mafia he needs to find other people to mislynch after today and I'm clearly a good person to push on. @ JJ The best way I can think to reexplain (and it may not even be a very good point) is to look at the analogy of a lynch vs nuke. A nuke is static and doesn't offer much chance for discussion, whereas a lynch is dynamic and generates a lot of content. Look at how Obi has responded to pressure thus far, it doesn't seem like he'd offer much to discuss if we were all pushing on him. | ||
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Nothing else really adds up to me. | ||
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In Holy Guardians I got a semi-free pass from people, especially Scott, because they said the didn't believe I could pull off such a good scum game w/o coaching (was only my 3rd game of mafia every). Now your going with the notion that I must be scum this game because I can't possibly have improved as much as you think I have. Doubters gunna Doubt | ||
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On September 02 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote: Actually tt it is kinda important if I'm scum reading you lets say rit and obi both are town and flip town. I'm more convinced that obi flips town than rit though for a few reasons. you should convince me now rather than when we get to lylo that you are town and that I'm wrong on rit really Eh, vote for me or vote for Rit. Doesn't matter to me. Unless you have some alternate idea for who could be scum, then I'm all ears. | ||
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I think Rit has a point that Tube likely could have carried both KP, I'm not sure but I have no way of knowing so that point is a bit moot. Otherwise though I think your points about his RB targets (like you mention above) being bad is solid. Honestly the last time I saw RB targets this bad I tunneled a poor newbie for like 3-4 cycles (he did turn out to be town though, just terribly misguided) but Rit is no noob. His reasons for RBing HtS are terrible "She's fooled me before, so maybe..." and your point that the rest of his targets don't add up for trying to block KP. Rit's role claim really bugs me too. The fact that he somehow knew RNG voting gave him an upgrade seems off, but it's kinda host wifom in the end. I liked your points (and you brought this up a lot earlier too, like d2) about how he really stuck to his RNG votes too without really discussing much anyone else in the game. I think it was only after Fidei made his WoT posts that pointed out Rit was doing nothing else that Rit made some effort at reads, but as you pointed out his reads didn't really go anywhere (no follow-through on them). You also mentioned how Rit listed rayn as a scum read but never pushed him, I recall I pinged out this post N2. Which to me just looked like a soft defense of rayn at the time. Mostly because he went out of his way to explain why rayn might have changed his mind on geript rather than get the answer from rayn himself. That's what I recall offhand about what I liked from your case. | ||
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Deciding vote is you Damdred. I wont blame you for fear voting me. | ||
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On September 02 2015 04:57 geript wrote: It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor. Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too. This is an interesting point, but if I were to flip town where would that leave you tomorrow? | ||
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I'm totally like the worst lynch ever. Also, that's fun to know JJ. | ||
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On September 02 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote: How is anything I'm doing fear siding? I'm being pretty rational at this point in time and trying to make a decent decision. More than anyone it looks like your struggling since you seem to have pretty decent reasons to townread all of us. Seems like people have a hard time reading me and I managed to avoid you in HG. Fear could well be a motivator here. Ironic eh? The fate of either Rit or myself lies in the hands of our 3p Survivor... | ||
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On September 02 2015 05:17 Fidei86 wrote: Question: if kp are factionally delivered, does the rb on Mafia achieve anything? KP is definitely not fractionally delivered. | ||
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Honestly I just remember being disappointing nobody else was willing to jump on Rayn over Rels at that point, kus I was pretty sure Rels wasn't mafia. I really don't recall why I hopped on Fidie, just that I was kinda swinging my opinion on him a lot D1 and 2. Humm.... Didn't Fidei rejoin EoD promising some big case on Rels, then swapped it to Rit? That mighta been why I switched. Retrospect that just makes me believe Fidei's watcher claim all the more, he even claimed that whole case switch was to throw people off. | ||
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It's somewhere in between I don't have a super solid reason to push him, he's just the top slot in PoE, and that I don't feel like pushing him will be very revealing. I've been trying to explain to JJ the same thing kus I earlier stated this notion as "I don't think an Obi lynch will give us much info" So far when pushed Obi has just shut down and called me stupid or mean for pushing him. | ||
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I know Damdred will see the light... | ||
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I didn't really think Tube or LT were going to flip scum before the start of D3. It's accurate to say that I didn't move my vote to LT before KSC claimed his fake redcheck on him. This is getting boring if your just gunna nitpick all my read switches. | ||
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On September 02 2015 05:59 ritoky wrote: the simple reality of this game is that mafia have to ml me today or they are going to lose. they cannot nk me because there are not enough mls in the game outside of me being in the list for them to win. they also must ml me asap because as the #s dwindle i get a better shot at blocking their kp, confirming my alignment, and finding mafia 100% and probably ending the game. it really is as simple as that. Expect there is clearly an RB or something floating around besides you. Mafia should want to NK you a lot actually. | ||
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On September 02 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote: This makes it impossible for rit to be framed I think Why? | ||
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On September 02 2015 06:11 Damdred wrote: That was the same night ff checked lt and his check was messed with but he knew hew avant rb because his other check went through. On August 25 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote: I guess since it isn't really my role I should just out. My upgrade was a 1-shot cop check which I used on Lord Tolkien. The result I got was literally "No Result" so unless I got a fake cop check, kelsier's check is 100% fake On August 25 2015 13:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Fuck it i think my role is stupid anyway and i will start playing vt. I am a cop but my check is limited to who my vote ended up on the day previous. My check on geript went through and i got green Actually his N2 check was on Gript and was green, his thing on LT returning null is still weird. | ||
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On September 02 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote: You idiots read the,mafia role they don't show up as free they show up as untraceable and uncheckable What are you talking about? I think your mis-remembering things. Tube never got his upgrade. | ||
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On September 02 2015 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Pretty much just stupid, cuz you've never actually had a case in yet you keep acting like you do. Noted | ||
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This woulda been lame if I was working today. | ||
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I suppose it is a themed game... I'll think about it | ||
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Sorry, but this is my gift to you. | ||
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I wasn't sure I really liked it till today. | ||
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I'm letting you make a choice. | ||
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Do not take me holding onto it as being anti-town. | ||
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Last chance to make up your own mind Damdred. | ||
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I am God ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/J4JN1fW9HsOHu/200.gif) Freewill is an illusion. We are lynching ritoky today. | ||
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 So we lynch Obi. | ||
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I softed my abilities several times and really didn't see a benefit in claiming early. If I'm also wrong about obi then JJ has played an amazing game kus that's the only other conclusion I have atm. | ||
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I was able to move one vote from myself onto a player of my choosing and make my own vote count twice. | ||
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Sorry rit. | ||
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Partially why I thought it was so odd that rit knew his, though looking at his role I don't get why he stayed on FF D2 if he knew his upgrade condition. | ||
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On September 02 2015 08:37 geript wrote: TT you can quit talking. You dead. Only if you promise to use the next cycle to talk about what happens after I flip. I made my thinking rather clear leading up to EoD why I though Rit was mafia and I have no way to show that my role is townsided besides that. Other than that I wont waste time defending myself if you all need to flip me. I will answer questions and I'll still help point out things if I can, you choosing to ignore me there is your call. | ||
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On September 02 2015 08:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: TT I'm taking your powers away btw. If you've got anything that can make you look slightly less awful then claim them. So your claiming a sorta role blocking ability? Before you said it was only to people who visited you and was one shot. | ||
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After that who are you all lynching? Kus if I'm mafia I for sure didn't make this play w/o someone else being around to carry the endgame. | ||
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On September 02 2015 09:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Maybe I don't take your powers away. If you're the runaway vote you're dead anyway. Who should I vanillize? Well I assume your ability just takes away role powers, but it wouldn't actually stop KP or anything right? Honestly I can't think of someone else who is good to use that on based on the info we have. Assuming everyone is being honest about their role abilities I'm the pretty clear target. Does your ability affect night actions? or is it only valid the cycle after you use it? | ||
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I fail to see how we use that to confirm anyone tbh. Also it sounds like this explains what happened with FF perfectly... | ||
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On September 02 2015 12:10 geript wrote: [/b]A few things to note: Ritoky's vote was moved. Additionally, Tictock got 2 votes. So Tictock likely steals votes from people he's RB'd. Basically, TT decided to swing the vote onto a confirmed person instead of an unconfirmed person. The point I was making to JJ that both people ignored was that even if ritoky is mafia he has zero endgame unless he has a partner. There is and was exceptionally little reason to lynch ritoky then. Later on it's possible, but mafia obviously needed to lynch a confirmed to prevent the PoE. So basically, lynch TT; if that doesn't end the game lynch JJ. You weren't very vocal about that point on Rit yesturday, and the same can be said about me right? I have no endgame here as scum without a partner, but you dont think about that. I explained how my vote manipulation works, its not at all this load of crock. I also fail to see how Obi's power will confirm anyone going into next phase, so I don't get the discussion around that. | ||
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On September 02 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It only takes place the night after. It won't stop whatever it is he can do tonight. Are we just using it to stop him from using day powers again or are we going to confirm people outside of him in case of extra mafia? If it doesn't affect things tonight how does it confirm anyone tomorrow? | ||
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On September 02 2015 04:57 geript wrote: It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor. Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too. On September 02 2015 05:04 Tictock wrote: This is an interesting point, but if I were to flip town where would that leave you tomorrow? On September 02 2015 05:17 geript wrote: TBH, I'm not a huge fan of Fidei. I just don't feel like I have a specific reason to townread him other than his claim and the rayn switch. I feel like maybe I should have more and maybe I'm just being lazy. On September 02 2015 05:18 geript wrote: No but, JJ has a point about LT's role being a bit odd (untrackable) if kp is factional. And then your super quality comment ~30 min before EoD On September 02 2015 06:45 geript wrote: Once on the internet, I said I had a 12 inch penis that was as thick as a beer can. So not at all like I was ignoring you. | ||
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I feel like I played my role to the best of my ability, clearly got it wrong though since I'm going to have 2 mislynches on my head now. Just do me a favor and not waste tomorrow afk voting me, my flip will not end the game. | ||
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In effect I have 3 votes, and only when I'm being voted on. I can move one of the votes on me to someone else, and make my own vote count twice at the same time. So at best I could have made it a tied vote between me and Obi, but the 3 votes on me would have been counted first so wouldn't have mattered. Ehh, w/e even if we loose this game and everyone blames me for throwing it here, I had a ton of fun around EoD. When else am I gunna get to claim God? | ||
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My ability only allows me to manipulate votes on myself. Yesturday was literally my first option to use it. | ||
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On September 02 2015 21:18 geript wrote: Since when am I faulting him for using his power? I really don't like how Geript is going about this, like he's basically saying it doesn't matter if I'm town or not he just wants to lynch me kus of my ability. Since people are still clearly unable to read what it is I was actually able to do I'll spell it out for everyone in my next post. however I will admit I lied just a bit. The whole deal was one shot, I implied I could still use it today just in case I could draw a NK on me, but it was a long shot. Also I can confirm Obi vanillized me, so even if you don't believe me about the One-shot I don't have any role anymore besides VT thanks to him. | ||
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On August 19 2015 13:18 Tictock wrote: I will neither confirm nor deny this. Nor will I describe how absolutely terribly a wagon on me would derail. And meh It's early, I don't want to get all serious just yet. On August 22 2015 08:43 Tictock wrote: Honestly atm, I'm tempted to believe all the restriction/role related stuff being claimed atm. The only one that stands out... Is ritoky's. All of them are rather silly and makes their votes NAI, however rit's is the only one that is a pure hindrance without anything else attached. The other roles seem to be more situational/conditional and have some leeway. My own role has a nifty little trick, but it's unlikely that I will get to use it since it's rather conditional. So right now I'm thinking Rit is either lying to us about something or is mafia. I think there was a few more little one liners dropping hints, but that's more or less how I was softing my ability. The role itself is as follows: Once per game I am able to move the vote of someone voting for me to a player of my choosing, in addition my own vote counts twice when I use it. Upgrade Condition (failed): Correctly townread 7 unflipped players in a single post before EoD2 | ||
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On September 01 2015 15:07 Tictock wrote: Heh, yea ok your prob mafia. Scum reading me because I'm suddenly "more active" when being pushed and not wanting to discuss my role. Yet using the point's I've brought up against JJ against him at the same time. Though I do agree about the 1 shot nullify thing from obi being nai and thus not a great reason to think him more town, but ignores that Obi was telling people to avoid him because something bad would happen. Oddly enough I think a lot of people agree Obi could be scum here and he might very well be the best lynch. The reason I say I feel like his lynch isn't too informative is because there is less contention there. It's the mechanical easy play, (Everyone not on Rayn wagon - green checks = Obi) and it will still be there tomorrow so I'm inclined to leave him alone another day. @ JJ I'll respond to your stuff sometime in the morning This was the point when I voted Rit, and was the point that tipped me from being unsure on him to thinking he had a real shot at being mafia. Rit's whole play last cycle was really uninvolved past defending himself, he wasn't really pushing any real reads and the post I quoted from him here was the culmination of his reads. It looked like total shit to me, especially since I remembered Rit making a post N2 or D3 that was showing how I was probably confirmed town from how Rayn reacted to my post suggesting we lynch him. Overall it looked to me like Rit just didn't care who got lynched besides him based off this post though. On September 02 2015 04:31 ritoky wrote: we lynching tt? cool he is on the list. honestly don't care and haven't read anything since my last post. just gonna try to lynch mafia and block kp in the night since i am confirmed town. So I was pretty sure around EoD that he was mafia and thus chose to blow him up over myself. I'm not sure how it makes sense that I'm scum and decided to play out my ability like I did when it clearly did nothing for my towncred but throw it all away. But this is the conclusion you all are reaching kus Town has been really shit this game, especially geript. At least Fidei had some sense, and JJ is actually playing the game trying to look at stuff and ask questions. Thinking that I'm the last mafia and made the plays I did is about the worst line of thinking I've seen this game. W/E though, lynch me if you want. I had my fun this game. | ||
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On August 24 2015 11:20 ritoky wrote: Vote on rayn aside I think TT is pretty much confirmed town going forward as well. Cuz of the following: | ||
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At least he is putting in some effort. Still like Obi is more likely though. And no Obi I don't have a case, you've just been on the fence all game. I just want to see which side you land on when you get pushed off. | ||
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Obi's ability wouldn't have caused that, or at least FF would have know if Obi had used it on him. I received a PM notifying me that my role has been downgraded to VT, so FF would have gotten the same PM if Obi had vanillized him. I'm not sure if that's enough to convince me he's town though. Ehh I'll act like unvoting him means something, it does to me at least. | ||
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On September 01 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote: My lack of thread presence at the deadline wasn't by choice I assure you. Unfortunately I'm at work at that time and to be honest, I'm lucky that I managed to sneak out of a meeting in time to even make it. Look at that on the flip side. I didn't need to show up at that point. I wasn't in the thread so as mafia I could have simply just never moved my vote and nobody would have been the wiser that I was actually around. As for the gif, that takes about 15 seconds. Just type "finger cross gif" in google and bam you've got one You say that rayn was pretty much for sure getting lynched, but remember the vote was 5-5 before the Rels unvote. With the rate that votes were coming in it was incredibly unclear who would have had the tiebreaker at that point. Tube showed up out of nowhere to try to hammer rels. Out of the five votes on Rels, four were from mafia. They were going all in to save rayn the pgo. My vote ensured that there was no tiebreaker because I hammered rayn. In what world does four mafia all vote one way, only to have the fifth mafia show up and ruin all their plans, not only killing off the pgo, but making the remaining players look absolutely terrible. While I couldn't have predicted Rels would swap to Yam, I could have reacted to it by following him. The vote was cast at the start of :59 so I had most of that minute to decide. I saw the yamato anti-nuke and the self vote, I did a quick count and realized my vote back to yam would lynch Rels who I thought was town so I stayed. It's kind of silly that you say I've been pretty towny and then pick out the towniest thing I've done all game as the one detractor. This doesn't really add up when I think about it, it kinda bugged me yesterday but I couldn't quite place why. The vote was 6-5 with Rayn in the lead right up till KSC switched at :59, that was when the vote got tied back up to 5-5. I don't believe you had the time to consider all that you say you did, switch to Rayn, and post that Gif all in the span of 1 minuet. It's true that as mafia you could have just sat by and let things play out which would have resulted in Rels killing himself while keeping your PGO alive, but there is no way for anyone to know that's how things would have gone. I have to believe that you got out of a meeting, found a computer (phone posting is possible, but leaves even less time for posting the gif) saw KSC unvote (which still left rayn as the lynch) and considered all that you say you did while voting and posting that gif. Seems much more likely that you saw Rayn was getting lynched and swapped EoD to get towncred. The whole thing reminds me of what happened with Milo in Holy Guardians. He saw that town was lynching their only blue role that game and un-voted at :59 leaving him open to a possible modkill. It resulted in him getting insane towncred for the rest of the game. Every time I look back at it I just see an opportunistic vote with 0 thread presence which just reeks of scum to me. Idk it sounds like most people agree that after I flip that JJ is the next person to consider so I suppose if my paranoia here is justified then I don't have to worry so much about getting mislynched today. Wish I had better reasons to townread Obi, then I could die happy today. | ||
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Just lynch me and get this over with. | ||
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Going into D2-3 I was sorta townreading Tube and LT. Apparently I forgot LT had an anti-nuke, at the time I believe I was thinking Chez mighta been town or w/e 3p he claimed and a trying to lynch him woulda gotten him to possibly be productive LT was more checked out. I voted FF with the RNG to see if it got reaction, I honestly didn't know nukes existed in mafia till this game. I don't have a clue how to read Obi. I've seen him in the past 2 of his games where he rolled scum but haven't seen him as town, he probably plays close to the same either way so I don't have a clue how to tell it apart. I was going to respond earlier, but after geripts post and reviewing my answers I can't imagine it will change anyone's mind. I'm not sure who is mafia at this point. Geript's reads are pure shit teir and he's not bothering to reconsider anything, but role-blah-blah-greencheck-blah-RB I don't even know if Obi has a read on anyone, just that he's ok lynching me. Damdred will prob show up in a few hours, but he's been clear he townreads the geript and Obi. JJ your the only one putting effort in today, but clearly you've suddenly decided I could be mafia today when the idea never crossed your mind last phase. So I'm just hoping that there isn't 2 mafia left in the lot of you and me no longer caring isn't throwing the game, if it is well like I said in an earlier post, I had my fun last cycle. So since nobody has had the idea to talk about somebody else this phase, lets just get it over with and lynch me ok? | ||
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I'll accept w/e blame people want to throw at me. Though I don't understand how you could believe I'd blow my vote manipulation like that then have no endgame plan if I was mafia. I've never head of a vote rigger before so I was just flying by the seat of my pants on how to use it. I prob should have tried to talk things over more with Damdred rather than make it a show, but I was having fun and though rit really had a decent shot at being mafia. And yea, I think what damdred said is true, there didn't look like there was any chance of talking sense into the rest of town that last day. I had no idea that my ability would cause so much paranoia in people. Well played JJ, you deserved that win far more than town did at that point. I'm gunna take solace in the fact that my reads weren't half bad most of this game. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:12 Chezinu wrote: Unless Chez is host right? Cause I have been thinking about hosting one. I'd cohost | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:14 geript wrote: TT, you just had really bad use of your role. It was you vs JJ and town should've had time to lynch both. However, host ended game early so fuck it. Yep, but there was no way I was mafia for it. Tunnel was all you man. You (actually we) shoulda listened to Fidei in that last night phase. | ||
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On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tictock. Seriously. Fuck you. Gunna /in any game your in just to call you mafia now for no reason. Help a brother get a townread next time will ya? | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nah I'm just gonna blacklist you. You've developed this nasty tendency to never read anything I write so stay away from me. We're done. Haters gunna hate | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:19 Fidei86 wrote: @TT desperately trying to pm you from my phone but I can't. Basicall, I think you played okay and I would probably have done the same that you did. Also, do I get props for finally town reading you :-) ? Thanks buddy. Sorry I voted you D1 and was kinda on your case D2. Tbh I only left my vote on you D1 kus I knew you weren't getting lynched and I was pretty sure the ruxx lynch was bad. Maybe one of these days we'll both learn how to read each other ^.^ | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:46 Fidei86 wrote: Maybe if you stop being such a teacher's pet and co-hosting all this games #burial Behind the scenes view is fun though, also I may want to host my own game(s) someday. I'll keep dropping into games from time to time. | ||
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On September 05 2015 09:05 kitaman27 wrote: I think a certain someone might be in need of one of your therapy beatings :D Sorry, I totally would have kept you around if you weren't going to watch me kill people This post was pretty funny by the way. I really liked the upgrade mechanic too. It was interesting. Unfortunately since I am the object of their distress a beating will likely only further the underlying issues. However, it might be possible to beat the sense right out of them which will bring about a temporary resolution. Remember, just like fixing a computer fixing a person is best done with frustrated pounding. And yea, I recall Geript posting something similar which I found pretty amusing as well. Btw I had fun playing with ya, though I shoulda trusted my gut when you posted that story about getting out a meeting late, I sat looking at it for a good couple minuets thinking that it just didn't add up. There were a fair few other clues that you were mafia that last day too, but you still looked a lot better than the rest of town so I wasn't really wanting to push you. Probably wouldn't have mattered anyways, pretty sure even if I had suggested lynching you first I woulda gotten a response of "We'll lynch JJ, just after we lynch you" | ||
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You have unlocked...1 shot unlynchable. Will be announced in thread you are unlynchable Woulda possibly clinched the game. I sorta went into this game with the intentions of attempting to play w/o serious filter diving nor huge list posts... so that kinda blew that my upgrade required me to make a list of town Overall felt like that was a decent way for me to play though, will prob only use filters to find posts and not try to read people through their filters. | ||
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In retrospect I shoulda known JJ was mafia and pushed him, it's hard to make that call in game though when JJ was the only person making "efforts" to read me. Honestly you (Damdred) were my only hope that also died when I saw you ninja vote after my (I think) last post. I think I kinda knew something was up with how little you had presence that last day, but I had no idea endgame could occur like that. I can't blame you for taking the win that way, you basically had things solved the day before and even hinted at everything that last night. I'll remember this next time I am in a game with a 3p *looks at HtS* I think this is actually the first game I've been on the loosing side, and we had the win in our hands too. So overall I feel good about the game. Geript scum reading me kus I've been "too right" all game is definitely a sign that I'm learning ^.^ | ||
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