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Alright I thought about it more. Only three teams are likely in my mind:
TT + NM
Moosy + scott
Moosy + NM
Even though I hated his "I am mafia" posts, I had a town feel for D1 for moosy. So for the moment my vote stay on TT.
I can switch to any of the other three, and will consolidate with my town reads if needed (rayn, Damdred, ruxxar, disfo, noobking).
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On July 28 2015 21:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 21:55 Rels wrote:
Alright I thought about it more. Only three teams are likely in my mind:
TT + NM
Moosy + scott
Moosy + NM
Even though I hated his "I am mafia" posts, I had a town feel for D1 for moosy. So for the moment my vote stay on TT.
I can switch to any of the other three, and will consolidate with my town reads if needed (rayn, Damdred, ruxxar, disfo, noobking). ...Your town feels should be from my N1 and not D1. D1 was me crushing ruXxar.
Yes that where my town feel on you comes from + the free-of-mind attitude in the beginning. Nothing very solid but you felt townie to me.
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Leaving work and not home tonight, so will check the game from phone. I feel TT is still the best lynch for these reasons:
On July 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday. 1Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy: + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game. In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate. In particular this paragraph: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI. makes exactly 0 sense to me. 2Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Then he goes on to vote for him. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia. ##Unvote##Vote Tictock
On July 28 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:01 Rels wrote:I have two problems with the posts Tictock made after I left yesterday. 1Tictock made two posts back to back. In the first he confirmed his scum read on moosy: + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 21:13 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 21:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 20:58 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 20:54 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
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lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
I don't understand. You are saying: - I'm probably not the cop - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part. HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?? I still don't get why you are saying this: - On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you This is going nowhere. Let's stop here. Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this. Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop. Explain like I'm 5. You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding. Really want an answer on this from n00b. I can not comment objectively, but I think Tiktock spoke the truth. We should concentrate on other people that noobking or myself. We're both pretty angry, so nothing productive will happen if we're pushed. Any thought on Sulfurus ruxxar ? ?? Why do you not want an answer to this question? I don't think his "answer" made ANY sense at all. Yesterday I was in his shoes. I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. I too don't understand this sentence, but I decided to ignore him for the day and let him and I get more calm. We'll continue this tomorrow. IMO you should do the same. Maybe I won't be like that if we didn't have other solid leads. But I feel Sulfurus and Flexes are very suspicious, and TT and MD are worth talking about. I'm always worth talking about... Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:43 NocturneMage wrote:On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint. Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game. Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)? I don't and that's the problem. I know he is capable of playing this way as town, but whats to prevent MD from using the same tactic as mafia to dodge questions and stuff? Posts like this are a perfect example of why MD looks so scummy to me. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on. -The bolded is true, but but it doesn't mean jack all. Never even bothered to push Sulf at all D1, then randomly votes N1. So he only really gets credit for mentioning that Sulf was in the game and that he's rolled mafia before. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/facepalm. I just realized that Sulfurus was in this game and that his first and only post was /in. I'm tempted to lynch him because it's my third game with him as well and he's rolled Mafia Godfather the last two times. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh. - Then we get back to more "I'm mafia" talk. True he did this as town before, but he's only using it this game to dodge questions. Last game he was much more clearly using this tactic to try and be lynchbait but here it's only coming up when questions are asked of him or people push on him. I see no reason to believe this is not scum!MD trying to abuse something he did as town last game. So I feel just fine keeping my vote on him. Also do note, he didn't bother to share those reads until Night phase, during Day phase he did basically nothing and never even bothered to vote. Like nothing I read from MD D1 suggested to me he was at all interested in solving the game. In the second he explained how Sulfurus is a good lynch today, even though Sulfurus is voting for Moosy! See spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Sulf.
I'm totally for him being a lynch target today. I've been saying pretty much all the same stuff as everyone making a case on him.
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI.
Having said that.
@Sul
Why don't you explain to us your reads in detail. Starting with why you think Moosy is the best lynch today.
Also, at what point do you rethink your list? A D1 PoE list is very unlikely to be accurate. In particular this paragraph: On July 28 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote:
For now I dont mind leaving my vote on MD (for reasons I stated in last post) even though Sulf is voting for him as well. Based on his Auto list MD was clearly Sulf's next target so him placing a vote on him is just following through what he said in that post and NAI. makes exactly 0 sense to me. 2Tictock makes a post saying we should focus on people not on Barakos' wagon On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon. But in the SAME POST the person he attacks the most is Breshke, who voted on Barakos. On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff). Then he goes on to vote for him. On July 28 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok, pretty sure the scum team is Breshke and Scott.
I'm pretty sure on Scott, but I'm positive on Breshke now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Breshke
Will post cases on both as I get em done, with their filters it shouldn't take very long.
So I think TT has a good shot at being mafia. ##Unvote##Vote Tictock 1 - I think Sulf would be voting Moosy today regarless of his alignment, so it didn't bug me. As I explained. I don't know how you can say mafia!Sulfurus would be voting mafia!Moosy today, especially after: 1 - Losing a teammate yesterday. 2 - Moosy being one of the most suspicious player in the game, so this push may be ending in Moosy getting lynched. It looks like you wanted to comment on Sulfurus 'cause everyone else was doing so, but didn't know what to say so said something illogical. Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:13 Tictock wrote:
2 - Your mis-reading what I posted here.
I agreed it was SMART to lynch off the Bara wagon, never said we SHOUKDN'T. In fact Moosy made a post regarding that recently that I kinda agreed with so.. yea.
My statement about Breshke in that post was me talking about all my scumreads, so I wasn't even attacking him. Just stating my opinion there.
Yep I voted him, and now there's a case up against him.
Also, how does me changing my mind about things make me scum?
Cause it's not logical. You said it is smart to focus on off voting people, then you don't focus on them. It looks like you wanted to buddy rayn and Damdred, the two town read vets of the game.
On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ?
On July 28 2015 19:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 19:00 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:On July 28 2015 18:35 Tictock wrote:On July 28 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Another thing about your Breshke + scott team: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Breshke wants to lynch BOTH your old scum read (Moosy) and your new scum read (Flexes/scott). Do you really think Breshke + scott is possible ? Humm, I hadn't thought about this >.< Likely means I'm under a confirmation bias here... probably about Bre. Besides having written out my thoughts on both of them I think my case on scott is much better.
##Unvote
##Vote: scott31337 Really ? 'cause you quoted the post in question in your case. It was one of your main point about Breshke sheeping. On July 28 2015 17:06 Tictock wrote:2) Not very active when active...Basically, he's pretty much done nothing this game. Hardly any reads, hardly any thoughts posted, no pushes. Gives up his own reads to sheep. Vote on Barakos, when Moosy and Ruxx were his top scum before. Dropped his scum read on Ruxx with no explanation. This post: On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple. I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now. Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead. I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. Yea, I was looking and thinking Scott & Bre. Not Bre and Flex. Sorry not believing that. Still thinking it is super scummy. Now that we got to the end of that question, here is the other one: Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:@Tiktock You said this D1 (see bolded): On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. Breshke asked you (see bolded): On July 25 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:On July 25 2015 14:37 Tictock wrote:
@ Bre
Struck me as odd that you ignored the nonsense I was doing with no comments, and yea just in general weren't really engaging a lot.
Based on your responses to me here I'm willing to shrug it off for the time being.
As for Sulf... He's really just floating doing his own thing?
This "auto" list seems somewhat towny, but it's timing is weird. Also his PoE list looks too much like the majority sentiment of the game right now. I could be wrong but especially after that last post about Bara I really have the sense he might just be trying to show effort without really doing anything. I thought it might have been going somewhere i wasn't going to interrupt. Also if it didn't go somewhere and you continued that would have been good info as well. How is the timing weird?What did you expect him to have on bara though other than what is already out there. I wouldn't say it is scummy that he has no "new" things about bara if anything it is scummy that he chose to explain that read first and in so many words instead of just saying like "what rayn said was good" but i think it is possible that he thinks it wouldnt be appropriate giving that response. Sulf can you explain your Noobking scumread, that is the one I am most interested in. In your response to his general post you didn't answer this question ? On July 25 2015 14:55 Tictock wrote:
Like, if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure.
Posting this auto-lynch concept and selling it could very well be a last ditch effort of doing "something".
I don't like it because a lot of my scum reads are in his town pile ^.^
Also I have at least 2 maybe 3 solid town reads in his PoE list so that makes me nervous as well... Two things weird about that: 1. You were wishy washy about Sulfurus: "This "auto" list seems somewhat towny", but "it's timing is weird", and " if sulf had posted nothing else we policy lynch him... for sure." Looks like you wanted an excuse to vote Sulfurus without pushing him much. 2. What do you mean "his timing is weird" ?
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Ok drunk and on my phone so this will be quick.
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The only reason I backed off noobking is that he basically claimed cop to me. With stuff like "I think you lie but I know you're town" and, when I asked him why he didn't believe I was cop, he said "think about it hard". With Scott claim one of noobking or Scott is mafia and I'm pretty sure it is noobking.
TWO
Rayn is confirmed town, what I said about TT is still true, noobking is defending TT. My vote stay on TT unless rayn switches.
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Rayn will you switch or no ? Will sheep your vote to consolidate but I think noobking is mafia and TT most likely.
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Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia.
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On July 29 2015 06:43 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia. I never once hinted at the idea that I was the Cop. I shall call you ruXxar Jr.
Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense.
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On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.
Can any of these things happen?
Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ?
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On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.
Can any of these things happen? Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ?
Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested.
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On July 29 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:43 n00bKing wrote:On July 29 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia. I never once hinted at the idea that I was the Cop. I shall call you ruXxar Jr. Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense. Exactly. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:
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noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.
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Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill. Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker. ??? Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?
Seriously, your refusal to use reason and common sense is driving me crazy. Just STOP posting for a little while, THINK about what you've just said, and come back later.
What is this "Damaging town" talk? I don't understand what would be damaging to town.
That's exactly why I believed noobking was cop.
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On July 29 2015 06:57 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:53 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:43 n00bKing wrote:On July 29 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:
Noobking i m convinced you're mafia and I think you're covering TT. But outside of TT alignment, the only reason for you not being mafia was you being cop and getting a green cbeck on me. That possibility being now dead as you didn't cc, I'm convinced you're mafia. I never once hinted at the idea that I was the Cop. I shall call you ruXxar Jr. Furthermore, your explanation on "if rels was cop he wouldn't check the person he SAID HE WOULD CHECK" made no sense. lol, okay ruXxar Jr. You go right ahead with posting one-name suggestion lists for power roles, and then turn in that action if you are that power role. Anyway, looks like my vote is just barking at the moon again, same as my Day 1 vote against Rels. ##Unvote
##Vote: The MoonWould really have liked to lynch Sulfurus today though. ##Unvote:
##Vote: SulfurusBut hey, since Rels has turned stupid again... ##Unvote:
##Vote: RelsFuck Rels. :D
No explain to me why you would lynch Scott over tt
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On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:On July 29 2015 06:48 n00bKing wrote:
Would lynch Sulfurus. Would also lynch Mage or Breshke, to save Ticktock. Would not be happy about lynching Scott without a CC, but...might still do it, to save Ticktock. That Night Action appeared by magic.
Can any of these things happen? Rayn was just called bad to entertain the idea of lynching a UN cc cop. And you would lynch UN cc cop over another player ? Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested. Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread?
It is also UN cc.
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Fuck.
Regardless I'm convinced noobking is mafia.
If you're not scott and are vig or cop:
1- you should have cc
2- you have to claim next day
I don't think it will happen but better safe than sorry.
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Alright getting back to party. Noobking we ll settle this, we have 3 whole days of talk (if you don't kill me)! In the meantime, you better explain fast what you meant by "damaging the town" cause that didn't mean you were cop.
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Alright I'm here now. Though I won't post any cases or analyses or comments before rereading EOD2. And before that I want to do a vote recap, so I can read EOD2 and see if a vote was out of line for somebody, so that may take a while.
But let me restate the obvious. I think I said that already yesterday but whatever.
If you're not scott and you are either vig or cop:
1 - don't claim right now and do your stuff (if vig I would clearly suggest shooting scott)
2 - your first post after start of D3 HAS to be you claiming your role and action. Any later than that is too late
About my potential night actions:
If I'm vig I will shoot scott
If I'm cop I will check noobking
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Vote recaps
You can use these recaps for analysis. I will update them with flips. I also greened rayn as he's confirmed; almost did it for scott too cause he is 99% confirmed, but that will wait tomorrow when he is 100%.I added the vote timestamp since that can be useful. The time is the number of hours and minutes since beginning of the day. Link to vote posts are compiled in the mafia votecount.
Day 1
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Day 1 final vote
barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Damdred, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, n00bKing, NocturneMage
moosydoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
nocturnemage (0): Rels
ruxxar (0): n00bKing
rels (0): n00bKing
raynpelikoneet (0): ruXxar
Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes
Day 1 vote recap
H00M25 n00bKing voted for ruXxar
H09M19 raynpelikoneet voted for Barakos
H10M53 Rels voted for NocturneMage
H15M45 ruXxar voted for moosydoosy
H17M47 Rels unvoted
H17M47 Rels voted for MoosyDoosy
H18M59 Rels unvoted
H21M06 disformation voted for Barakos
H22M14 Damdred voted for barakos
H22M59 n00bKing unvoted
H22M59 n00bKing voted for Rels
H26M49 Breshke voted for Barakos
H26M57 Sulfurus voted for Barakos
H33M53 Rels voted for Barakos
H35M31 Tictock voted for MoosyDoosy
H39M06 ruXxar unvoted
H39M06 ruXxar voted for rayn
H40M12 ruXxar unvoted
H40M12 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy
H46M04 n00bKing unvoted
H46M04 n00bKing voted for Barakos
H46M20 NocturneMage voted for Barakos
Day 2
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Day 2 final vote
moosydoosy (1): TicTock, Sulfurus, ruXxar, Breshke, ruXxar
sulfurus (0): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337, n00bKing
TicTock (4): raynpelikoneet, scott31337, Rels, raynpelikoneet, ruXxar, scott31337, Sulfurus, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Damdred, Breshke
n00bking (0): ruXxar
breshke (0): TicTock
scott31337 (1): TicTock, Damdred, disformation, Breshke, MoosyDoosy, n00bKing, NocturneMage, raynpelikoneet
nocturnemage (2): Damdred, TicTock, MoosyDoosy, scott31337
rels (1): n00bKing
Not Voting (0):
Day 2 vote recap
H04M48 TicTock voted for MoosyDoosy
H05M33 Sulfurus voted for MoosyDoosy
H06M04 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus
H06M08 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock
H11M01 disformation voted for Sulfurus
H11M50 Rels voted for Sulfurus
H16M47 MoosyDoosy voted for Sulfurus
H16M57 NocturneMage voted for Sulfurus
H20M16 scott31337 voted for Sulfurus
H22M46 scott31337 unvoted
H22M46 scott31337 voted for TicTock
H23M07 disformation unvoted
H24M01 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy
H26M12 ruXxar unvoted
H26M12 ruXxar voted for n00bking
H32M49 TicTock unvoted
H32M49 TicTock voted for Breshke
H34M01 Rels unvoted
H34M01 Rels voted for TicTock
H35M35 TicTock unvoted
H35M35 TicTock voted for scott31337
H37M25 Breshke voted for MoosyDoosy
H40M24 ruXxar unvoted
H40M24 ruXxar voted for TicTock
H44M03 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy (fake vote => see here)
H44M43 Damdred voted for scott31337
H44M53 disformation voted for scott31337
H45M07 Breshke unvoted
H45M07 Breshke voted for scott31337
H45M20 MoosyDoosy unvoted
H45M20 MoosyDoosy voted for scott31337
H45M27 n00bKing unvoted
H45M27 n00bKing voted for scott31337
H45M27 NocturneMage unvoted
H45M27 NocturneMage voted for scott31337
H46M06 Damdred unvoted
H46M06 Damdred voted for nocturnemage
H46M30 TicTock unvoted
H46M30 TicTock voted for NocturneMage
H46M30 MoosyDoosy unvoted
H46M30 MoosyDoosy voted for NocturneMage
H46M31 scott31337 unvoted
H46M31 scott31337 voted for nocturnemage
H46M32 disformation unvoted
H46M51 scott31337 unvoted
H46M51 scott31337 voted for TicTock
H46M56 Sulfurus unvoted
H46M56 Sulfurus voted for TicTock
H47M05 disformation voted for TicTock
H47M19 raynpelikoneet unvoted
H47M19 raynpelikoneet voted for scott31337
H47M26 raynpelikoneet unvoted
H47M26 raynpelikoneet voted for TicTock
H47M27 Damdred unvoted
H47M27 Damdred voted for TicTock
H47M35 Breshke unvoted
H47M35 Breshke voted for TicTock
H47M57 n00bKing unvoted
H47M57 n00bKing voted for Sulfurus
H47M57 n00bKing unvoted
H47M57 n00bKing voted for Rels
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A weird thing: in this post, ruxxar voted moosy (changing from TT) by mistake, and never corrected it, as if he never checked a votecount. In the final votecount he is still voting moosy.
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On July 29 2015 23:18 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2015 22:53 Rels wrote:A weird thing: in this post, ruxxar voted moosy (changing from TT) by mistake, and never corrected it, as if he never checked a votecount. In the final votecount he is still voting moosy. I didn't vote for moosy. I'm not going to re-vote just to fix broken vote tool. I told the mod that I didn't switch and I expect him to count my vote properly.
Yeah my argument is that it was weird that you didn't see it. So you actually saw it and posted to the mod to correct it ? I'm reading EOD atm so I will eventually find your post then.
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On July 29 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote:Fuck looks like votes are on me - I guess I have to do this now. I'm the cop and have a green check on MoosyDoosy.My crumb in this message - Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 03:16 scott31337 wrote:On July 27 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:Why Sulfurus has to be mafia: the easiest case in the world1. Did nothing for half of day 1Yes. In spoiler you will find the only post Sulfurus made D1. Not even good apparently. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:
I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game I could say the same about you. Sulfurus played three games prior to this one: newbie X, XI and XII. He was lynched in all three. In the first he was VT (see? I'm learning). In the other two he was GF. He had the same playstyle that is displayed is this game; very few posts, not much explanations, sudden attacks on people. I just can't believe he would keep this style if he was townie. 3. Voting on BarakosSulfurus voted on Barakos after half of D1, clearly sheeping the thread sentiment. While voting for a mafia is never scum indicative, the way he did it is not town indicative either because: - Barakos hadn't posted for 8 hours at the time. - He almost only talked about Barakos. In fact, he only made two meaningful post: one case on Barakos, and one case on noobking. We'll talk about the noobking's post later, no worries. 4. No explanation on his listSulfurus posted this: On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote:
And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on). But he only explained a few of his reads, ignoring these posts: On July 25 2015 08:58 disformation wrote:
5) General lack of explanation for anything. On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. On July 25 2015 21:18 disformation wrote:
Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about. He even quoted this last post but never answered: On July 26 2015 03:22 Sulfurus wrote:On July 25 2015 21:18 disformation wrote:okay phone post time. lemme throw out some thoughts. Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about. Liked TT being suspicious of Sulfurus. Though I am not sure what I my conclusion on Sulfurus is. Def. want him to come back and post more. such Rayn. very town. much wow. Town lean on Damdred. Will reread him and post proper reasons when I am at home. Need to look st Rels filter. While I didn't mind NocturneMages questions in the beginning I think it is time for him to come back here and at least try to put out some reads. also: a lot of ppl haven't voted yet, right? should get to that.  Did you notice our reads are similar, or does that not change anything? Plus, in his Barakos post he said: On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. So he "started" and never continue. 5. He voted moosy with no explanationMoosy was number 2 on his list, and he never explained his read of him. Just voted him off. 6. His case on noobking is badnoobking's defense was good so I have nothing to add here. + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2015 11:28 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:n00bKing was the second to last player to vote on Barakos, he even admits in the same post that he would rather have lynched Rels today. Which I probably wouldn't say, if I were Scum, and knew that Barakos was about to flip Red. Like, you're defeating your own argument, without me needing to do anything. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:And some particular posts that I think are quite damning Rels is not even trying to scumread me in that post. He's just defending himself. (As he should. I'm not saying it was scum indicative for him to be defending himself, or for him to ONLY be defending himself. I'm just saying he wasn't trying to indicate that anything I said made me Scum at that time.) Uhhh, you are misrepresenting my position. Read what the quote actually says. I did not ever try to say that rayn gave a scum read to Rels. I said that rayn refused to defend Rels. If you doubt that I'm right, ask rayn yourself, I expect he remembers. Keep grasping at those straws. I said he was unmemorable right before saying I was going to look at his filter from that game. After looking at the filter, he has at least 50 posts in that game that are not in the format you were talking about. The fact that I found him to be unmemorable before looking at his filter means nothing. I don't even know what you're trying to say. How is that post from ruXxar a "gem" and how is it supposed to make me look bad? Mafia. ##Vote Sulfurus Pretty decent case, I could sheep this.. ##Vote SulfurusI'm still not caring for TT or n00bking either, n00b is really defensive and doesn't look like his town game. Pretty sure two of the mafia are in these three. I'm doing some research on Chronic kidney disease, lipids and apolipoproteins so I'll be on and off today. If you look up "Chronic kidney disease, lipids and apolipoproteins" the first link is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24607852If you look up TL's post 24607852 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24607852Is Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We most likely have a cop and a green check on moosy. So get your votes off of me NOW PLEASE!
DIDNT READ THAT YESTERDAY
IM IMPRESSED
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