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On July 15 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: anger has no logic and i don't really care just lynch me and be done with it and realise that people's intent to policy and play like crap is far greater than their need to ever treat another player like they are wrong and to maybe change their read and sure it's hypocritical when i've called you mafia all game but i was already mad then and will continue to be mad so it's best to get rid of me and i will no longer post a single thing this phase and it's probably my last mafia game too so, yay! /in before HF quits the scene, this site, his mafia career?^^ | ||
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If you are cop don't CC, you can work in the dark now, while I absorb your hits. | ||
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On July 18 2015 08:16 plotspot wrote: Ok, I see what's up with this game. I'm gonna sleep now. 0:00 AM deadline is really perfect.^^ To clarify on this. I simply meant that the game is slower than I anticipated, people reserving their thoughts or are simply not there at that moment, and I really didn't look at the thread anymore after this post, I didn't know it picked up some activity. About the forced emotes, it's just the way it is, I sometimes put them there if I feel like, I wouldn't interpret too much into it. XD ^^ XD ^^ A bit a strange but here are my chain of thoughts after yamato suggests a policy lynch so early. "what does such an early suggestion bring? Is he asking for information? what is it based on? Is it based on the vanilla cop claim? what does it bring town if they policy-lynch wrongly? Who else was wrongly lynched? Ah jesus was kinda lynched wrongly, and some people knew it, but couldn't do anything about it. Really if it's too confusing, ignore it. After 3 games, I kinda noticed I have this natural tendency to confuse people, because I think a lot but only post the "end thought". I try to improve that, but it's probably still gonna be difficult. | ||
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I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT. 1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT. 2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me. I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it? | ||
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It was also something I was curious to try and see how people react to it. I'm kinda paranoid sometimes, I don't like to explain everything, because usually mafia reads here too and they get to know all the information and can adapt their play, but the explanation for vanilla cop is not something that gives them real information, I'm sure they have figured it out by themselves. I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more. Ok, enough with technicalities. I'm trying to figure out what's everyone's up to. I have some thoughts but they are ambiguous at the moment. I will post reads later when the picture becomes more convergent. | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote: You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ? Fun and curiosity was part of the reason, but it was not everything. It is not "now", I thought about something like this a few weeks ago. My reads will come later, I have to do some chores. :/ | ||
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On July 18 2015 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i am waiting for your conclusions about your "reaction test". Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything? This is kinda hard to explain. It's a sort of gravity thing, instead of everything being neutral and mafia guessing elsewhere, the focus will be more on whether I'm VT or Cop. Now If I said that, you could say I am VT, because obviously I want the attention on me, but then again that means I'm not the Cop and mafia would look elsewhere. But maybe I am the Cop and I want exactly that. But then again, I can't be the Cop, a cop would not say anything and not claim vanilla cop. Or maybe I am a cop speculating on medic protection... Well, imo it is different, but hard to pinpoint exactly. Also it depends on the mafia team. If they choose to ignore everything I said, then you're right, it makes no difference, but then it is not for me to decide whether claiming vanilla cop or not does make a difference. Ok, I'm really off now. | ||
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Damdred: general sense making which is NAI, but does seem very involving and effortful, hence town lean Fecalfeast: not sure if “angry” is the right word but IMO he overreacts with the “I concede”, voting himself, talking to yamato about bussing, it’s all NAI. KSC: claiming VT, kinda aggressive towards me, is he town for doing this? Could he be mafia setting up an agenda? Onegu: pff, town? He’s quite carefree in his posts, I’d read him town. Yamato: suggesting a policy lynch, yamato not explaining a lot of things in the beginning, the interaction with Rels later kinda gives him his first townpoints in my eyes, On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. This kinda explains pretty well why I’d think yamato is town. JonnyLaw: ? too few posts, the tone looks towny though I don’t have any meta Geript: geript has a pregame excuse of being rather inactive, too few posts, I can’t read anything from him yet, though it is of course strange how he doesn’t explain why he wants to lynch Onegu, yamato or Kelsier Raynpelikoneet (mispelled filter name): I’d say town, but he draws so much ogi and meta, also some of his reads are quite mind-boggling to me: Like: 1. yamato is town after 3-4 posts of his 2. Vayne being town after 2 posts 3. jonnylaw 4-5 posts into town The thing is I kinda agree and have town vibes about them, but I don’t say “townpile” or “is town”, but that may just be the way he expresses himself. Rels: I’d tend to agree with VA, but Rels is like this, asking many questions, often citing unanswered questions from somebody else and asking them to be answered, it’s NAI imo. Not sure about Rels, could have been voting me to get info. VayneAuthority: late, but imo good entrance, he does provide reasons for his reads when prompted, townlean I have to eat dinner now. If you want my opinion on particular topics, I'll try to give my opinions later. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: plotspot elaborate your read on me, particularly the yamato part. Why can't i make the same read Damdred did? Smells like bullshit. Also you have unanswered questions in thread. yamato has made 3 posts before you said "nvm yamato is town". Damdred only said "Kinda think Yamato feels town". In my opinion there is a difference in certainty the way both of you expressed it. It's just that that I think is strange. You might have advanced meta and be able to pinpoint yamato as town immediately after only 3 posts, that could be. I'll answer your earlier questions later. | ||
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On July 19 2015 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you don't know why someone does something you do not form a read based on it. Why are you doing so? Or what is that even doing in your post when you don't know what it means? Wait, I didn't form a read about you based on not knowing where you got your hard townread on yamato so fast. I was wondering how you can townread someone so fast. You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? On July 19 2015 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i think this is really bad. plotspot what is this "info" you are talking about here? obviously you want to share all info you have (not talking about claiming here). Why wouldn't you? This was a general remark by me how I think certain info shouldn't be shared to town, because mafia can also read it. I can take for example the game where I was town roleblocker. It would have been nice for me to tell town who I roleblocked in the thread, but mafia knowing that could have wifomed a lot of stuff.. pff it was complicated stuff. In this particular case the "info" is just me explaining why I claimed vanilla cop. I thought about whether revealing the info gives mafia any advantage beyond town. I decided no and did it. On July 19 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is what bothers me with plotspot. He uses two different explanations for his actions. There is nothing alignment indicative in his claim itself. He says he has planned that some weeks ago, so he would do that as either alignment most likely. The problem is, i don't understand (1) his explanation Kelsier pointed out and (2) what is he trying to gain? Like i don't get how anyone can think claiming "vanilla cop" does "confuse" mafia (but not town). Also he said it was a reaction test so; I want to hear it from him, what did he gain. What conclusions did he come up with for the reactions, and why. Otherwise probably mafia trying to just post something and talk about irrelevant things that have nothing to do with scumhunting. You wanted to know what I got from my reactions. Not much besides two people asking me "why you do that?" and one "any reaction and conclusion about the reaction from the claim?". I do get however that the rest, which majority is made up by town, kinda ignores it, which shows me they don't want to dug around it and hinder more important topics, which is good. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Damdred 0. pushing off a lynch on Geript and suggests Jonny or FF. 3. doesn’t want to lynch yamato 5. wants to consider lynching rayn, 14. reinforces reason on why ff is mafia Geript: 1. wants to lynch yamato, accusing him all sort of stuff, (yamato is a girl? ok), 2. wants to lynch Rayn for doing less than he could as town, basically much from the meta-soup, 4. wants to lynch Kelsier for asking stupid questions and being stupid in general 6. thinks either Rayn or jonny is mafia. 7. back to the circle of lynching among yamato/Rayn/Kelsier 8. (geript never thought of ff as scum, rather town) 9. add Onegu to the circle of possible mafia 20. more yamato Vayne: 10. thinks Onegu might be scum 11. 50/50 on jonny 12. ff looks town 18. Damdred is town Rels: 13. thinks geript is town XX. votes jonny Rayn: 15. votes Damdred 16. geript is town 17. Onegu might be scum 19. explains why Damdred is scum Yamato: 21. geript is mafia 22. Rayn and damdred both probably town It kinda boils down to Damdred, geript VS Rayn, Kelsier I am still thinking which side makes more sense. @geript: would be nice if you could provide the reasons why there is one town/mafia between Rayn and Jonny. | ||
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Damdred vs Rayn geript vs Kelsier but Kelsier and rayn townreading eachother, while Damdred and geript do too. The crossrelation is more complicated: Kelsier thinks Damdred is town, while Damdred think Kelsier is ??? (sorry what is your read on Kel, Damdred, last I check it was town but that was from page 1 of your filter.) geript has Rayn as mafia, while rayn reads geript town. Yeah, I will look into jonny after eating. | ||
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1. overreaction, like ok it's NAI, but it's too wifom for it's own good, if you're town there no need to do it, ok as mafia it's still bad to wifom like this, the impression remains that it's unnecssary angry wifom 2. misrepresenting my effort as scum noodling around, putting it the worst light possible, although I'm really confused 3. being opportunistic, I don't buy all his short "whys" it's really strange ##VOTE: fecalfeast | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Geript after some noodling explains to Kelsier that he thinks this On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. is short and assholey, but that yamato is even more short and assholey than this with the following post. On July 19 2015 03:30 geript wrote:How can it be not short/assholey when the point I'm making is that he's more short/assholey as town? Kelsier replies with On July 19 2015 03:38 KelsierSC wrote: right but i am curious how you read that post as anything but short or being an asshole. IMO, Kelsier misreads geripts post as geript not thinking that yamato was short/assholey. If he thinks otherwise the sentence must be “right but I am curious how you can read that post as short or being an asshole.” Geripts responds with On July 19 2015 03:48 geript wrote: Like this is basic reading comprehension. How can he get that I'm trying to say that Yam's post was not short/assholey? Like me using the word more literally means that I found the post lacking an amount of shortness/assholery that town yam levels usually are. Then he's trying to make the point that the post is short/assholey but I'm not reading it that way. Like I've been really fucking clear about this. 1. geript clearly states again that he thinks yamato’s post was short/assholey. But it would be even more if she was town. 2. geript misreads Kelsier that his post was saying “he is curious as to why geript think’s yamato’s post is short/assholey” and then sort of contradicts himself by saying “I’m not thinking yamato’s post was short/assholey.” Yeah, sort of double misread into endless argument. | ||
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On July 20 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote: It is ok, the vindictiveness isn't that huge a deal. The killer was that Geript vote (which sorta confirms geript), his weird unexplained reads and screwing off when he was unable to,be here. I think we have one,mafia on wagon and one off though. Gut feeling it's ff and rayn. I sorta had my doubts about geript, because he is so aggressive (I mean I don't know him, if you guys have better meta and read him better then that's cool), but then to the very end I tried to figure out who could be more scum: him or Kelsier and I couldn't decide because their whole argument hinged on misunderstandings from somewhere halfway in. | ||
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My reads were about 20 hours into the game. I said these were rough reads, I put a question mark on Jonny, I even said it's just a tone read with no meta. I didn't say I townread him hard in this, there was clearly lots of uncertainty in this read. Jonny had 2 phases of posting. In the first phase he makes 4 posts. If you read again his 4 posts and say "ok, if somebody posted like that, then 95% of the time he is mafia", then you obviously have some super skills. I tended to think "ok, jonny doesn't look clean here, but it's rather he could be town and mafia uses his posts to gather a wagon on him later" At that time, remember that the most suspicion fell on geript, he had 3 votes. I was already thinking "yea looks nice, but I don't buy it, I don't think geript is gonna get lynched". Jonny came in with his reason why he had to afk 34 hours into the game. Then suddenly I see the gears shifting starting on p18. Damdred and geript talking to each other with Damdred ever so much pushing a lynch on jonny for his weird posts. Well in retrospect we can say it was good, damdred saw jonny appearing and wants to get more info out of him. But at that time it looked to me like my thoughts are being confirmed. Votes are shifting away from geript, with Damdred casting suspicion onto jonny, trying to convince geript as well. Geript disagrees for a while, but then finally jumps to jonny too. Hence later I said there was a strong connection between Damdred and geript. Geript even earlier talks about Damdred being his mason partner,which confused me a bit as there was no mason in this game. He probably simply meant they can read each other very well, which is meta meta meta again. I had a slight townread on Damdred, but the things unfolding there would fit the theory I had in mind, especially when rayn jumps in later and they both started to scumread each other. Geript was still of the opinion that we should lynch Kelsier, while rayn hard defends him (Kelsier). At that time for me, all of the 4 Kelsier, rayn, geript and Damdred could be potentially be mafia. So till the very end I was still working on figuring out the Kel vs geript story, as I believed I could find mafia there. I also looked at the case rels had against jonny and it hinges on exactly the part that he thinks the smiley argument was directed at FF and not me. The thing is I think it is NAI at best. Anybody could have made that mistake, why is such a mistake reserved for mafia? It's too blatant and irreparable, so it doesn't really matter what jonny says afterwards in his defense. This is what he chose to say as point four of Rels case: On July 20 2015 05:43 Rels wrote: Forth When I ask Jonny to confirm that explanation, he backs off and abandon his previous explanation. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2015 03:04 JonnyLaw wrote: oh uhh...sure I don't know what I was thinking there to be honest. I was writing a quick post before I passed out after a late night. Apparently it's what I felt at that particular moment. We can debate this one line if that's what you want but I'd rather talk about someone important. So he backpedals like a mafia? If he was town, what should he have said instead? So I thought if he was screwed anyway, regardless of being scum or town, why must he be screwed as mafia. It's NAI. --- So in summary, I had a very-soft town read on jonny with some doubts. The townreading was reinforced when my paranoid senses got fed when votes were slowly piling on jonny, like I'd rather want to believe it is more difficult than that, that the scum team does something like that, rather than jonny just being scum. The case of Rels is nice, but I thought it was NAI. I voted for fecalfeast because it was the best I could do, when I was under time-pressure and not be able to clearly identify scum in either Kelsier or geript. | ||
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The one I believe to be most townish were you, from there I tried to established whether damdred could be mafia, but it was hard, because I actually had damdred as townish too. So I left you two like that. Then kelsier and geript. The only one that matters was probably geript, because he had still 2 votes or so. I was trying to find evidences that geript was mafia, but no I couldn't, He was here fighting all this time, and the Kel vs him was some misunderstanding. I was running out of time and I thought I'm not voting for someone I'm not certain was more scummy than ff. | ||
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On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: I propose a policy lynch of plotspot On July 18 2015 08:31 yamato77 wrote: I still want to lynch plotspot. On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote: Geript also not a terrible lynch. Neither is FF for that matter. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Then Damdred reads him slightly town. On July 18 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote: Kinda think Yamato feels town. You said afterwards On July 18 2015 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nvm yamato is town. So what I said earlier On July 19 2015 05:13 plotspot wrote: You say "yamato is town" at that moment. Is it (a) you have advanced meta or (b) you think "yamato might be town" but say "yamato is town" for undisclosed reasons? Which is it? applies to this and not to your quoted posts recently. | ||
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On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: rayn could be town On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote: damdred almost certainly is btw I also think onegu is leaning town On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote: it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been On July 18 2015 18:22 yamato77 wrote: so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta Then you posted this On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h. Then damdred post this On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town. Then you posted this: On July 19 2015 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well. Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process. And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or After that I came with my list where I was wondering how you can hardread yamato town so fast after his 3 initial posts. I'm not talking about his later 4 posts, after which you provided your reasonings on town-reading yamato. --- So I'm wondering about these two phases. After 3 initial posts from yamato you say "yamato is town". Was it (a) some advanced meta or (b) you think yamato might be town, but still said he IS town because you express yourself like that. Would your explanation be any different if yamato hasn't made his 4 additional posts? So after his 3 initial posts, you would still use your explanation and the 4 additional ones didn't matter and were just coincidence? I just want to know how you townread yamato after 3 posts, without the additional 4 posts, because they are there in between your actual explanation, I cannot simply ignore them. What were the reasons you townread him after 3 posts (not after 7 posts total of yamato). Like I totally accept it if you said, yeah they wouldn't have changed my reasonings at all, it's just coincidence or reinforcements of what I think and posted as reasoning. | ||
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On July 21 2015 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem still stands. Damdred says he has a townread on yamato at the same time i do (only 3-4 posts in). I explain my read. yamato posts more. Damdred gives his explanation after yamato posts more (but talks about only of those 3-4 first posts). I give more of an explanation which is the same as Damdred's (as it was at first aswell). plotspot agrees with Damdred's explanation but somehow mine isn't good (while he is even townreading yamato aswell). No wait, I think we have a communication problem here, this is not how the order of things were. Let's try to get the order straight first. 1. Yamato makes 3 posts. EXACTLY 3 posts. Not 3-4 or stuff, be precise here. 2. Damdred say exactly: "Kinda think Yamato feels town". NO EXPLATION. 3. You say exactly: "Nvm Yamato is town." NO EXPLANATION. (much much later I' wondering this statement here, I don't have a problem with Damdred when he vaguely thinks yamato might be town. Yes it is the wording I have a problem with, that's why I have ask again and again whether it is (a) you have some special meta or (b) it is just your way of saying "I feel Yamato might be town here". It's a perception problem I have with someone who appears VERY FIRM about it, what's the secret to his knowledge? 4. Yamato makes exactly 4 posts. NOT 3-4 or something. Exactly 4 posts. 5. You EXPLAIN your townread on yamato. 6. Damdred EXPLAINS his townread on yamato. 7. You express your feelings that Damdred's explanation is pretty good, plus some more why you read yamato town. 8. Yamato posts some more. We should agree on this first before I go on. | ||
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I know from my head that I should push more, ask more questions, but I don't know how to do that. I'm not good at it. I'm dying to explain to you why I can't be scum playing like this, and ok that I'm bad at this game, but I can't at the moment. Just remember this. | ||
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Just don't be like tictock, I made so little sense as town in this one game that he made a 2000 word essay imagining every little step I planned out as mafia. It was ridiculous. Yes this is my meta. Me not making sense is not a mafia trait with my current experience in games. Maybe you want to know this, before breaking your head over the fact that I don't make sense. But I of course accept it that I cannot hide behind this forever. I will fight and try to explain things to you as best as I can. | ||
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Like if you believe Rels made that NAI case to scumread his partner, and hopes someone spots it in time to save him, it's ridiculous. | ||
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My first thought were Kelsier, cop or not. Ok let's just say cop, because I've witnessed 2 games where cop-claims have gotten quite messy, no need to rush things. Cop play is always strange and can always have fun turn-arounds. Since I read Onegu town, I was thinking "ok let' step back, in which circumstances could he be a redchecki if not mafia? miller, framed?" The problem was it was already pointed out by yamato and I didn’t want to repeat it. Geript also made a good point about how a game with a cop, no way the third mafia is also identifiable via a cop. It made sense to me and I thought maybe Kelsier was not the cop. All the while Onegu was getting townier by the minute. It came just down to whether people believe that he as a mafia would concede or not. And it really looked to me like if he was mafia he was ready to concede, so he couldn’t? And must be town? Miller most probably then, because being framed means there is a framer and it wouldn’t go well it geripts theory. Still obviously a framer can balance out a cop, but I have no clue about setup balances so I don’t know whether a framer balances it out better than a GF or something. So ok he is miller or could framed. Then HF feels the need to make a bluepost about it that miller is unaware; so Onegu is miller? Otherwise it would mean HF explained something that isn’t actually relevant, or it’s just because people were wondering about it and he answered it very technically. I had the feeling HF really thought about whether he should explain this. Ok, I had these thoughts and wanted to put them down in one or another form, but new post kept flying over my head. It didn't help me write an organized opinion. Meh. | ||
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And yeah rayn, while your reasons for scumreading me are good, it’s still only because I suck as town. D1 was my genuine towngame (and some people read it like that), because I only checked my role at the beginning of N1. That’s the reason why I didn’t know whether jonny was town or mafia, and really struggled with voting for him or not. I also honestly thought FF could be mafia, well not now anymore. I was thinking scumreading him, but no it’s stupid, I won’t do that. The game you read where I had the chart thing, it was also D1 blind. I could have been mafia there too. The chart thing didn’t matter.^^. I guess Kelsier who cohosted this game with cakepie, never knew about it? I just wanted to see what you guys will post for a while, but it’s kinda dead so yeah. Sorry I wanted to make it a bit more entertaining for you guys, but I guess it’s quite settled that you will win anyway so you are rather bored by it. It’s ok. I just thought I give you guys some time to “think” about stuff some more.XD I think it was my fault, why this mafia game went to crap. I was never there D1. Jonny has 1 “hi”. Milo had one “hello” after 36 hours into D1. If they came here and say they lost motivation and didn’t see the chance to win because we lacked coordination for I was never there, I’d accept it. Hmm anything else? I thought geript was funny. Lol scumato. FF was really scummy and yet so townish in his own way, I felt sorry. Suppose I was town, I could really go on, and I think I would have failed that reaction test by Kelsier, because I tend to stay back and analyze first even as town, because we still had so much time and so much things were going on. I hope Jonny’s dog is fine, I love dogs too. Yeah, sorry if you guys felt underwhelmed by this game. Lots of stuff came together.^^ | ||
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On July 21 2015 21:24 Rels wrote: GG. Intrigued by this way of playing without knowing your role D1. With your two experiences now, what do you think of it ? It's actually 3.^^ Not sure, it's interesting. Presume I play blind and I play it perfectly, than it will come down to me scumreading myself if I was scum, because of PoE right? This game I really had most towns as town reads, maybe not Kelsier and ff because they were a bit strange. Bur for example if I was scum and actually lynched another scum on D1, then find out about it N1, I basically have some town creds. If I had enough guts to point fingers and townies with actually another partner still alive and supporting, I think it's still no problem. If I die as scum on D1 with that sort of play, the benefit would be that there is no connection established between me and my other scum mates. Also this means my town-game sucked and I got lynched D1. Fine too. Improve next time. The thing is 75% of the time I should roll as town and whether I play a towngame as town or not knowing my role, it should be the same. 25% when I roll scum, the situation is still not lost as I decribed above, there are advantages and disadvantages, it totally depends on the scumteam too, like you see in this situation. I'm not sure whether they were disheartened or were simply absent for some reason. I think I'll definitely try this in a next game too, it will be interesting to see how people react to it too, when they actually know or suspect that I actually do this stuff. Like what would you do to a guy who doesn't know his role? Policy lynch him? As town you'd think "ok this guy is definitely helping town with scumhunting here, but it obviously depends on how good he is at it, and then he could be still scum 25% of the time, do I wait and someone cop-check hims later or what?" Many options. As scum you'd think "ok, I know definitely this guys is town. Do we get rid of him and slowly push a policy lynch on him, would that not make us suspicious? Is he any good as town? Should we let him live and push a lynch later?" or they go "ok this guy is stupid, he is scum, but doesn't come here, we have to decide what we do with him, not that he busses us without knowing, is he smart enough to scumread us?" I could go on with this but it's just so many things. I was actually intending to continue playing in the dark. But the whole milo thing and that I basically read almost everyone town kinda makes think I might be scum here, and so it was.^^ | ||
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On July 21 2015 21:41 Damdred wrote: Also yeah you didn't play horrible plot it basically came down to there weren't enough scummy people for you to get enough ml. Its no fault of your own, it was the reaction that got it for me though on the red check yeah that's the main point, not enought scummy people. But I really think Kel could still be cop here, he got his reactions regardless and established so many people town. On July 21 2015 21:55 Damdred wrote: I think you will find that 9/10 people will policy lynch you for not reading your role pm, it was a thing awhile ago and I think if people know/find out you will get lynched d1 regardless. It makes you unreadable to an extent but meh Milo is usually pretty active idk what was up with that weird. ok, I kinda understand that. The whole uncertainty is something nobody especially a townie can bear for very long am I right? So they just kill to have the certainty, otherwise there is always this guy floating around, which you cannot absoluetely town or scumread for ANY reason. I think it really gets on their nerves. I thought it was the same for the Onegu redcheck, if you think about it for a while even as town, it makes no sense like geripts points it town. Let's assume you come to the conclusion that Onegu is town, you lynched another person and the game doesn't end. You still have this redcheck piercing your eyes the whole time. ^^ | ||
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On July 21 2015 22:02 Rels wrote: BTW you were vanilla goon too ? geript was right I suppose! nah you'll see why I believe Kels is cop.^^ | ||
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On July 21 2015 22:17 KelsierSC wrote: also my fake claim led to a concede, clearly best strat NA, will do it every game from now on I think you were townie enough to do it. | ||
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On July 22 2015 03:31 Holyflare wrote: basically because i got tired of twat faces claiming blues so i eliminated all of them and if there were no gf you'd probably figure that out quite quickly and just potentially win from being an un-cc'd blue so it makes it more risky on your end I think I should have claimed a blue role, then shoot myself at night to be conform with claimed blues being shot at night. Would have made a for a slightly more entertaining end.^^ | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: all blue games are my favorite. one of my personal favorite setups is 4 cops and a mafia, with one cop being naive (always green), one cop paranoid (always red), insane cop (reverse read), normal cop. no one knows which cop they are if that wasnt clear so it's only 5 players? expand it to 12 of those cops plus 3 mafia and I'd be interested in hosting it. Hmm let's see but it should become pretty clear that the only useful cops will be the insane and normal cop, but you'd have to find them, yea it's quite intriguing, especially if a cop lies about his checks.^^ | ||
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On July 22 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote: I didn't mind the setup tbh hf had talked about doing it before though all millers 1 cop 3 godfathers would of been hilarious to. Don't use that one though I think Jonny lynch was a really good lynch as town decided to lynch him instead of super active geript, and what I thought was town Yamato. After that its sorta a wash as Milo didn't try but plot gave himself away. ty for the game hf that's something I didn't understand, why so quick to jump on the redcheck, was it a normal expression or did your game experiences/senses tell you to vote the redcheck right now or it will become problematic later, you had all day. I kinda get that late votes are never good. You either waste them like I did or you basically just jump on a wagon and your vote still has no value as to your alignment. It also appears you haven't figured things out fast enough and are actually not convinced of your vote. Late votes never look good, if they are not the decisive vote, or is there any contrary example? | ||
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