TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden

On June 19 2015 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
Also, the rules link is broken.

On June 19 2015 22:48 ruXxar wrote:
Also, the rules link is broken.

On July 06 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:
So I feel obliged to inform you that I'm the cop. #rayn

On July 06 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote:


I'm sure you know all about that

On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:

You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on...

On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p

On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p

On July 06 2015 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

What about you, honey bunny?

On July 06 2015 08:12 ruXxar wrote:
Top town at this point is damdred and Scott.

#BatTraps.

On July 06 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
That might seriously be the laziest I've ever seen ls. It just seems like he's phoning it in.

I'm like 99% sure ls is scum here

On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.

On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?

On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum

On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum

On July 06 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote:
Clar will you respond to the post I made please, reading it over I still reading it as you like wos town reading you rather than leaning scum.

On July 06 2015 08:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's fine, just don't lynch HF or myself today and reevaluate tomorrow. Moving on.


WoS gave me a townread for being tryhard, whereas there's 3 people somewhat leaning towards me or whatever.


So is WoS just better than you guys, or is he scum?

On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons.

On July 06 2015 12:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
You bothered to link a video after I didnt even explain why I thought you were mafia.

rux mafia.

On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote:
Oatsy <3

I like where you're going so far.
You're showing determination in your play.
That's what I wanna see from you.

Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia?

On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote:
Oatsy <3

I like where you're going so far.
You're showing determination in your play.
That's what I wanna see from you.

Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia?

On July 06 2015 12:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

He just played exactly this way last game as town
Not seeing what ruxxar is or what you are

On July 06 2015 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?user=rsoultin&page=5
Shit load of xP, shes mafia.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482487-hajime-no-ippo-maifa?user=rsoultin&page=9
way less xP, shes town.

Clearly this is definitive proof that rsoul is mafia.

Marv, you arent gonna look at the voting thread unless you vote.
Its completely pointless to vote there unless you need to do it to not get modkilled and to actually make your vote count.

I assume boxer doesnt exactly know what sheeping is.

On July 06 2015 21:40 ruXxar wrote:
You made an error in the calculations?

On July 06 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:



Mm, but besides that, I don't like people that spam smileys in every single post, it's awkward and forced.
It's a girl though, so maybe that explains it.

On July 06 2015 13:06 Breshke wrote:
LS can you explain why you think it is easier to read scott later rather than ealier?

On July 06 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:
K so here's a mini list for you all:

Scum:
Trfel
Clarity.

Town:
Damdred,
Kelsier,

On July 06 2015 23:03 KelsierSC wrote:

It feels over the top to say well he is "retarded" for that

On July 06 2015 23:11 ruXxar wrote:


Are you saying this is mafia indicative???

On July 06 2015 23:19 ruXxar wrote:


I don't think kelsier is scum.
I think it's weird how oats points out stuff and when i question him about it he responds with "lol".
Why did you point out that it was over the top if you didn't think it was alignment indicative?

On July 06 2015 23:33 ruXxar wrote:


Not in the context presented.
In general, yes.

My point is:
Why do you point it out if you don't think it's alignment indicative?

On July 06 2015 23:38 ruXxar wrote:


I was wondering if you thought it was alignment indicative since you pointed it out, and I'm not getting a clear answer from you.

On July 06 2015 23:41 ruXxar wrote:


Thanks, only took you 3 posts to answer my question.

On July 06 2015 23:49 Holyflare wrote:
Kelsier's silly effort is likely towny, marv is k for now, ruxxar still cool uhhhh hardon hehe seems ok, oats cool

Shit tier list awesome

On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators.

On July 07 2015 00:44 Harkon wrote:

No idea what he is doing to be honest even if he was dumbledore (probably isn't) he would not have a check yet.

On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons.

On July 07 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
this is trfel's world:

"I haven't done anything and that's not the norm for any of my town games"
"hf scum reads me for that"
"that's just scummy!"

care to explain anything at all trfel? since you scum read me earlier and never elaborated then either

On July 07 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
That's not the reason for my scumread.

And I'm not going to tell you my scumread now, because you are not getting lynched today, and I want to see if you keep doing the thing I'm scumreading you for.

On July 07 2015 02:58 ruXxar wrote:


I don't want LS to claim blue for dumb reasons.

On July 07 2015 03:46 ruXxar wrote:


1) It would mean he's town.

2) I think LS is towny, he's showing intent/effort to change his play instead of just imitating his town meta and get away with looking towny.

On July 07 2015 03:51 Trfel wrote:
This is a really bad read.

He's playing differently from his town meta. This doesn't mean that he is town, because LightningStrike isn't all that good at imitating his town meta as scum. No one can completely match their town meta as scum...

On July 06 2015 22:01 LightningStrike wrote:

Well mainly it's his filter size from wha I had looked at those games hence why I was hestitant about giving a very quick read on him(Although I giving him a slight townlean for now it feels like people want me to be automatic about my meta stuff and I trying to break that habit a bit because it gets me in trouble with others). Anyways I going to read the thread and will answer stuff as I read.

On July 07 2015 04:08 KelsierSC wrote:


because your "pressure" vote is totally pointless if you qualify it in the same post.

On July 07 2015 04:04 ruXxar wrote:
You're right I don't have a good meta-read on LS. I'm not trying to meta him.

This is what made me like him:

On July 07 2015 04:10 Harkon wrote:

No, it is not. He either plays and is towny or he dies. This is not a pure pressure vote.

On July 07 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:
I see claiming has accrued me more votes; can't help it if people be bad. Have fun lynching a cop for the 2nd game in a row, I am gonna get my teeth cleaned.

On July 07 2015 07:08 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright so I'm here now. Quick little summary of what I thought of this game so far.

Confident town reads

Holyflare - The first post of the game he made is the exact same thought I had as I entered the game, I find that pretty hard to fake and seems like a genuine thing that happened to him since it happened to me as well. Occam's razor here.

He also shares my scumread on trfel which I will explain further down.

Ruxxar - Way different posting style from his previous mafia game and isn't leaving giant gaping holes in his logic in ridiculously long-winded bs posts, just seems to be inquiring about information normally and genuinely seems interested in piecing together the puzzle. Hard to fake as a newer player.

Palmar - not much to say here I can just tell he's town. Finding the loophole in geript's logic and posting about him looking for his name are both reasons to townread him but I won't be surprised if i get roasted for this read.

Confident Scum Reads

Trfel - Honestly his posts just don't make any sense if he isn't in contact with somebody. He appears to be putting on a show for laughs and probably thinks he can get away with it in such a large game. If he isn't a mason or part of your knitting circle i'd advise to lynch this guy asap before he posts anything more in his mafia qt about how he is "trolling so hard ex dee"

Even when engaged in a very mild tone he still refuses to co-operate which should be a huge red flag.

*Possible blue role here that is using his claim to play the game for him, I don't know enough about him to make the distinction.

Vivax/Geript - We have a curious case here of a guy that is completely tunneling on some one else who is very emotional, but said emotional person is paying no attention to the constant posting done by the former. My explanation for this is that it is a bussing attempt by vivax (which he loves to do as mafia) and is being poorly reciprocated by geript who should try to make it more realistic but has a hard time getting angry about things that are fake as opposed to actual town members pressuring him. Just a theory for now that might prove useful later.

BONUS BLUE HUNT EDITION

ritoky was on my bluedar prior to the claim, im inclined to believe him.
Kelsier is on BlueWatch, slightly less abrasive posting style and trying to act stupid at points, could also be an attempt by his ego to think he might actually get nightkilled night one in this game and is preserving himself (?) weird playstyle so far
Oatsmaster is always a blue role so naturally he is on the watch list

Rest of my reads are unimportant at this point as there isnt really anything concrete just little notes and stuff

On July 07 2015 07:35 ruXxar wrote:


This post is really weird, what are you trying to achieve here?

On July 07 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote:


You come in out of nowhere and you're still stuck on the "xP"?
That ship sailed long ago.
Don't know why you even bring that up anymore.

I really dislike this post.
So much noise I can't even take the message you're trying to convey here seriously.

On July 07 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote:
A thought just struck me about HF and clarity.
Willing to give clarity some more time.

Top 2 scum atm:
Trfel
Rsoultin

##Vote Trfel

On July 07 2015 08:11 ruXxar wrote:


It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

On July 07 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote:
Also, LightningStrike, what do think about ritoky now that he has claimed?

On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote:
@Trfel

Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life?
You played like a fucking god in our newbie game.
What changed?

On July 07 2015 09:53 ruXxar wrote:
@Trfel

Is something wrong with you? Did something traumatic happen in your life?
You played like a fucking god in our newbie game.
What changed?

On July 07 2015 10:03 ruXxar wrote:


So you're saying you play like trash as town, yet when you were town in HF's game you also played good.
So it doesn't explain anything.

I like LS, I told you that already.

On July 08 2015 00:01 ruXxar wrote:
@oats:
You're really tryharding for day 1, what's gotten into you?
You're actually trying to take charge, ask questions, push the thread and figure out stuff, pretty much unlike you.
I'm feeling your presence too strongly.

---

I've noticed that both Oats and Vivax have been tunneling hard on geript pretty much all day.
There's something about it that rubs me the wrong way.
I don't like how vivax came in and his first big post was just an opportunistic jump on trying to discredit geript.

#scumlean on vivax and oats.

On July 08 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote:

I don't like you tunneling geript for 2 reasons:

- You're trying several times to call him mafia for scumslipping.
- You voted on him saying you're "tired of this shit", when geript actually made a decent post about you instead of refuting it.

I also disagree with this post from you:



You got scum-read pretty hard that game. It's very selective to just look at day 1.
And the reason you didn't get scumread as much early was because we had stronger scumreads, not because you were a town hero making solid cases.
There's a difference between not getting lynched because there are better lynch targets, and getting universally town read.

On July 08 2015 01:26 ruXxar wrote:


It's not the fact that it's one conversation, but the fact that you later(which you can see by the timestamp in the third quote), went back and emphasized the fact that he scum slipped as if that somehow lends credence to your argument.

On July 08 2015 03:00 ruXxar wrote:
@Oats.
Your interaction with geript here is like a flashback to the conversation between batsnacks and geript in our last game.
I like you slightly better due to the way you reacted.
I don't want to lynch you today.

On July 08 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:


I don't see why those are the only 2 options.
I already gave a reason why I don't want to vote for you.

As for HTS: in my interaction with her in the thread I didn't get a vibe of scumminess, more like genuine curiosity.
Haven't had time read her filter in detail but that's my initial feelings.

On July 06 2015 11:40 scott31337 wrote:
You are actually going to have to be towny this game milo - BH will modkill you if you try that unvote cred in his game.

On July 08 2015 05:07 geript wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Scott

On July 08 2015 05:18 geript wrote:
Basically here's the wagon options. If you're not on one of these, then you're not helping/mafia:
1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made
2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo.
3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her.
4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town.

On July 08 2015 06:16 Harkon wrote:

Everyone wants to lynch you apparently.

On July 08 2015 06:16 Harkon wrote:

Everyone wants to lynch you apparently.

On July 07 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
1-shot dumbledore

move on.

On July 08 2015 04:14 milo109 wrote:
Sigh. I'm two-shot cop. Fun fun fun.

On July 08 2015 07:00 ruXxar wrote:


I'm not done with you rsoul.
I'll reply to you in a bit.

On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.

HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.

The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.

Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.

Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:


I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.

1st interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.

2nd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)

3rd interaction: Starts here
Recap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)

It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.

I'm not going away anytime soon.

On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:


If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.

I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.

What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.

On July 08 2015 13:27 ruXxar wrote:


Why not?

On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote:


This is the incorrect response as town.
A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town.

Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions.

On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote:


That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*.
In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions?

On July 08 2015 14:15 ruXxar wrote:


I want you to look deeper than that.
Not just at what she did, but how she responds when she's questioned about it.
Does that look like a natural towny response to you?

On July 08 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote:


What is a "natural townie response"? If i could explain it soe asily you dont think she could have made up some bullshit as mafia? Explain to me how it is mafia indicative to be stubborn thats what she was being. In your perfect world of how people are ment to act wouldn't the mafia be more likely to try and explain this because they want approval from town?

The logic can be used both ways