TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 27

On July 17 2015 00:13 Clarity_nl wrote:


This is absurd. Yeah I can say "in my world where X and Y are scum this all fits" and then point at a ton of NAI things. It just doesn't mean anything. Point out why you DO think they're scum, rather than why a bunch of things fit. I literally have no idea why you think HtS is scum

On July 17 2015 00:22 boxerfred wrote:

Your explanation on the rsoultin townread is simply bad. HF pointed that out. Ruxxar's post points it out. So you're still saying "rsoultin thinks the same stuff as I do so she's town"? All I see is a scum tag team pushing a HF mislynch.

On July 17 2015 00:24 boxerfred wrote:


My world is my impression of the game. My thoughts. So of course I try to find things that fit that picture. All you do is saying "oh you're wrong". I don't know how you can have no idea why I think that HtS is scum if you have read the thread.

On July 17 2015 00:25 boxerfred wrote:

Cool, still dodging to actually have an opinion on Ruxxar's post.

On July 17 2015 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote:


I have a hard time figuring out ruxxar's post. He's made several huge posts today but they all feel like "look at how much work I'm doing!". Like yeah, HF has done a lot, I agree. Rsoultin has done less than HF, I agree with that too. However her thoughts seem natural and they align with mine a lot.

I still think you're town. I think your reasoning for things, especially in the last two pages, has been especially atrocious and I'm pointing out why but you're ignoring me and just going full steam ahead anyway.

On July 17 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:


So why are you still voting for HF?!
You even said that you liked his his contributions and you had a town read on him up until now.
Why flip flop when you've been so certain all along?

All I see is you saying you want to vote HF out of spite.

On July 17 2015 00:44 ruXxar wrote:


So you're voting him for martyring as a policy lynch.
So you actually think he's town but you're just policy lynching him anyway?

On July 17 2015 00:45 boxerfred wrote:

I was. Are you reading?

On July 16 2015 22:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually think HF has been contributing useful stuff. Like I like his push on OWS and I like his reasoning for townreading oats for starters.

However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb.

HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum.

Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better"

I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me.

On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now.

On July 16 2015 22:41 Clarity_nl wrote:



If you had thought it made me scum you would have brought it up earlier? Not wait till you're the main wagon and then go "btw clarity scum"
I wasn't hard defending you I let people attack you as much as they wanted.

Bringing up your own meta to astonishing detail is not actually helping you. The moment you identify your own meta is the moment you can break it and then claim "look I can't be scum because X". You've brought up your own meta so often this game and you've even shown that you have read your own filter multiple times this game. I was willing to scratch that off as just having a massive head but now I think it's because you're scum trying to keep your story straight.

You just look like you're flailing now. Like you definitely could still be town (hedge hedge) but the chance of you being scum has gone up a ton.

Combine the things that I said with harkon being convinced you're scum and marv not giving a read on you when he's normally super chatty about whatever (which means he's unsure) and I'm liking this lynch.

On July 16 2015 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Basically the moment it appears I "stop" townreading you you call me scum, because as scum there was no point in pushing me while I was, in your words, "hard defending you". Now that I'm voting for you it's a good time for you to 180 on me.

As town however you would have brought it up much earlier if you truly believed it made me scum, because as town you don't give a shit if someone is townreading you or not, you give a shit if they are scum. If you thought I was scum you would have brought it up, so the 180 makes no sense from a town perspective.

On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:


It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons.

If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game.

On July 16 2015 22:58 Clarity_nl wrote:


This is true, but it doesn't mean anything.

And yes you are losing the game if you're town and you somehow convince people to lynch me after you.

Suddenly I've done nothing all game? I guess our reads n3 just lined up by sheer luck, seeing as you told people to sheep me after you got lynched?

On July 16 2015 23:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
You know this whole saying you're gonna afk from now on doesn't work if you come back every time after you say it?

But you know what, yes my vote on you started mainly as just anger at your martyring for no reason, I'm still kinda angry at you. So I'm gonna take a break now and reread some stuff and see if I can change my mind.

fwiw I think your 180 on me has decent reasoning, but the timing is super suspect. The fact that you're playing on my emotions more than my rational thoughts actually makes it more likely you're scum I think.

On July 17 2015 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
We don't lose anything from no lynching and it gives us more info AND it stops my mislynch happening

On July 17 2015 01:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Do we still have two lynches left if we no lynch?

11:3 NL
9:3 NK
8:3 ML
6:3 NK
5:3 ML

....we don't...er unless I got something wrong there....

On July 17 2015 01:16 Breshke wrote:
HF where is this coming from. Like i get im a shitter but you actually have a scumread why even bring up no lynch

On July 17 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote:

Who on earth ever says this lol??? Where is the incentive for mafia hf to do this at all?

On July 17 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:


But how does this make sense for mafia holyflare to ever do???? Where's my play to survive here???? It doesn't look like shit. You voted me out of spite for being angry why would i suddenly assume you scum read me instead of policy like you mentioned 8 times already.

Then i play and policy turns to scum read because you like my points. You even like my points on you. Ok clarity.

On July 17 2015 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
"scum hf needs a mislynch somewhere so he picked me and it's scummy because that always existed!"

"hf is scummy for all of his play even though that already existed! Even though i like all of his points, even on myself and obi! "

Better vote this guy after I'm gone guys.

On July 17 2015 01:43 Holyflare wrote:
Hts has SUPER DUPER dodged all my posts today btw while complaining about my lynch earlier and wanting to lynch va or ruxxar. Don't treat her as town because she writes big posts. Bf's points were good