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On July 15 2015 00:16 Holyflare wrote:
You should 100% just be shooting shitty lurkers who could be mafia and are wasting people's time with discussing them. If you think you should be shooting into me/rsoul/ruxx you're also just bad at the game. At least if you are thinking that you should save your shot since we get 3 flips anyway tonight.
HF, if you had a gun who would you shoot?
I agree that rsoul/ruxx and you are all bad shots.
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I guess I kinda like Vivax more than I did yesterday. Have you read up on him marv?
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I'd be shocked if kelsier flips red
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On July 15 2015 01:11 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 22:58 Harkon wrote:On July 14 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
1) Marvellosity (filter) - town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - pooface
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - maybe town?
10) boxerfred (filter) - ?
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) DLME Investigator Shot Night 2
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - maybe town?
16) KelsierSC (filter) - modkilled
18) Breshke (filter) - tonally town
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - p likely town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - seemed townish but could easily not be i guess ?
like i do this, there are 4 mafia, so i'm calling a bunch of mafia town. Cool, I have a similar problem but I am nullreading most people instead of townreading them. 1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum? 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame 5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town? 12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town? 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea 18) Breshke (filter) - no idea 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish? 21) rsoultin (filter) - ? 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - town 24) Holyflare (filter) - ? 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea Well if we're at it, I can join in: 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town but nothing happened last day to strengthen it 2) Scott31337 (filter) - null/scum lean 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - scum lean 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - by now, town lean 5) ruXxar (filter) - scum lean 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - town 12) Trfel (filter) - lots of efforts lately, i like that, willing to lean town 13) LightningStrike (filter) - null 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - null 18) Breshke (filter) - town lean 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - null with a scum tendency 21) rsoultin (filter) - null 22) Half The Sky (filter) - null with a scum lean 23) Harkon (filter) - town for that vet claim 24) Holyflare (filter) - strongest scum lean, would lynch 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null Totally fine with a HF lynch, the rest is rather hard. still saying HF better get shot this night.
I'm struggling to find more than two scummy people, how do you have 6 scum leans?
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Damn bf your list is like really really bad.
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On July 15 2015 01:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Some of the more divergent reads I can understand from BF. He's been fear reading me the whole game for instance and he doesn't know or wouldn't know WoS's play.
But how does he think LS is null when KP's verified that there is a gunsmith? He'd have to believe that LS and I are on a scumteam together for one thing and that the real gunsmith didn't claim....I mean, someone grab the tinfoil hat please....
As much as I want to kill him scum for that horrendous list, I think it's more likely bad town. Like how does scum post that list? I had a townread on him prior to the list so... guess I'll stick to it.
List is terrible tho.
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On July 15 2015 01:59 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 01:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 01:47 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I apologize that I'm being scumread by the majority of people, I've been pretty upfront with my thought process and reads. Oh well. If you aren't mafia then you gotta point where people's town reads are wrong. my updated reads list is tier 1 mafia - Kelsier, OWS Tier 2 - tier 3 - Scott, one of rsoultin/HF, Breshke If we are to assume people are starting to pretty much mass jumble the low page filters together, it was only after I saw scott's name being thrown around that my name was subsequently brought up as a replacement. He has quickly been brought into my scum list due to this. Rest ive already talked about, backed off breshke but havent interacted with him since so its pretty old sitting there I expect kelsier to flip mafia
So you're saying people are directing the lynch away from scott because he is scum, this means some of the people who mentioned you as an alternative are scum, who are they?
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On July 15 2015 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:You're so annoying.
I know you've already announced you can't be bothered, but do you plan on being useful at any point this game?
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On July 15 2015 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 02:37 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:On July 15 2015 02:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 02:32 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:On July 15 2015 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Okay, I guess I'll just spitevote EBH until he either explains his scumread or dies.
I can do either. any particular reason it matters to you? not like I have the pull to get you lynched or anything The game is really big and I usually find it easier to sort scum through the people attacking me in a game of this size, since I know what I said pretty well. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to explain it but whatever I guess. pretend this is a graph ^ - - - - - - - - - -> x axis is the amount of people accusing me of being scum Y axis is the amount of fucks i give Why did you even bother signing up if you're not going to play? I'm hardly even enjoying this game and I'm still sticking it out.
Why are you not enjoying the game? Too big?
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On July 15 2015 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 03:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous I'm working under the assumption that he could be town, not the fact that he is town. Try harder. If you say so. You also haven't called me mafia the entirety of the game. I've searched your filter for hf/holyflare/holy etc and i've only ever come up for you to say nothing towards you and no it's suddenly "hf is scum so who gives a shit" and "hf is possibly mafia" and "hf is mafia"???? none of this is logical in the slightest, reading through your filter is actually enlightening because this is the first time i've actually been bothered to do it all game and it's absolutely littered with defences of people, little bits of unintuitive tmi in regards to people's alignments and reactions that don't quite make sense with the information you can see i'll probably make a case on you at some point but i'm fairly sure you are mafia You might want to get that out before the end of tonight because I'm shooting you.
Do you know why this is funny?
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marv are you around? Are you not at all afraid of being night killed and having not left a post?
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Reads somewhat in an order:
marv - marv seems happy and is very involved. He's changing his mind based on new or missed info and seems to want to solve the game. He's playing the "woe is me I don't know who scum is" card a bit too much but I think it's fine. If you end up with marv at 3-man or 5-man lylo he's probably scum, since I think his scum game is good (regardless of what others say) but until then DO NOT LYNCH
HF - Honestly I don't see what other people are mentioning. HF is obviously very involved and he brings up unique points. He's gotten emotional a fair few times which is an easy way for scum to get ignored but it's offset by how useful he's been, interacting with everyone etc. Same as with marv maybe once you get to lylo take another look but I'm pretty confident he's town. I also liked his push on OWS n3. DO NOT LYNCH
Harkon - The possibility exists that scum shot marv n1 and harkon is scum claiming vet, but honestly I doubt it. His posts have been townie and good, he can't really expect to claim vet and then survive at lylo, but if he does then reconsider. Until then DO NOT LYNCH.
LS - Confirmed gunsmith, worst claim ever.
ritoky - Confirmed cop, also a pretty terrible claim.
HtS - I've really liked her posting after d1, she's claimed miller early and she's changing her mind A LOT but always for good reasons, which I think is hard to fake as scum.
Trfel - I think I agree with DMA. Would be pretty low for scum!trfel to go to such lengths as to use his irl situation to avoid being lynched. Other than that it's hard to tell by his posting, but I think he's likely town.
Rsoultin - I've waffled on Rsoultin quite a bit but in rereading she is making good points and her progression seems clear. I also think that scum!rsoultin wouldn't hint at trfel's irl situation regardless of trfel's alignment.
Oats - I really don't like Oats' style of posting and I wanted to shoot him n1 but he kinda clings onto stuff that I notice as well and I like his follow-up to stuff. He's been consistent and he's pushing the right people.
boxerfred - His list really was bad, even ignoring the fact that he didn't have LS as confirmed town his scumreads just do not line up with mine AT ALL, and he somehow had 6 people leaning scum when I have a real issue finding scum this game. I have a real issue seeing this post from either alignment however all his other posts seem to be of someone trying to figure out the game, so I guess he's town.
ruXxar - I honestly can't be bothered to read his stuff today, but my impression regarding him has always been "meh". I expect to live tonight so I'll do some reading tomorrow.
Vivax - Ehhhhhhhhh. I dunno, basically. I thought his indifference towards the milo lynch was super scummy but I liked his responses to my accusations sooooo... Hopefully he starts being super plumber soon and we can find out his alignment through that. Marv seems to think he's town.
EBH/VA - Hard to read into his posts. His defensiveness during n3 looks off. Basically he immediately said "this makes scott scum so people pushing me are scum" but then when asked he didn't really know who said what??? I have a hard time believing scum would bluehunt in thread rather than scumqt, but then again town shouldn't either soooooooo... NAI? He seems to have a lot of opinions but doesn't really care if anyone listens or who gets lynched. I think he's a good vigi shot, but lynching him can't be bad.
OWS - Very forgettable posting, doesn't really seem to care about who gets lynched, I've liked HF's posts on his n3. He has a lot of "I agree with this post I just quoted" posts while adding nothing, He went super hard for MZ but only after marv mentioned that he thinks MZ is scum. The only thing I've liked from him is his push on scott but scott does kinda look like lynchbait..
Breshke - I've read him as town based on his d1 for most of the game but I cannot recall a single thing he's done or said since then. In looking through his filter he immediately sheeped my post regarding milo and claimed that lynching damdred over milo would be bad even if damdred is RB, seems like a weird kind of logic to take. Scum obviously would love a milo lynch over damdred even if damdred is afterwards. He complains about the HF/milo interaction which I get, but then he calls milo confirmed scum which I do not. He showed no hesitation towards the end of d3 which I think makes him scum as milo started looking really townie near the end.
Scott - Super lynchbait. Whether he's playing badly as scum or badly as town is hard to see, but I keep coming back to this "BM is gonna flip wanderer 98% of the time" post and I just can't explain how that would come from town. I guess I like him being shot more than lynching him, but if he's town scum is never gonna kill him and I don't want him around at lylo, lol.
WoS - I don't know dude.
I am probably wrong about at least 1 town read, unless everyone who I have a scumlean on is scum.
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On July 15 2015 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Whatever, I'm still shooting Holyflare.
I mean there's a lot of things I'm struggling to believe.
However let's just make the assumptions that:
- You are town
- LS gave you a gun
You better be DAMN SURE that HF is scum, because if there's 4 flips and he flips town and LS confirms he gave you a gun you WILL be lynched.
I kinda agree with HF that we shouldn't shoot HF (lol), if whoever has a gun really wants to shoot HF and does not expect to die tonight they should not shoot anyone. Although that's still worse than just shooting scumlurkers.
On July 15 2015 04:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
99 % he gave hts again
I can't imagine the amount of leveling that's going on here, or not, but why would you ever post this?
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote:
i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not
It was. But I kinda buy the "just giving him a chance to actually look like town" argument.
The entire time HF thought rsoultin was scum he did the same with her, so it's whatever.
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On July 15 2015 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread.
Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist.
Okay. Well you can just go and die then.
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On July 15 2015 05:09 Harkon wrote:
Why are people speculating about who got the gun when scum has a rb? Use your brain.
Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible.
I mean, I have an open mind, why exactly?
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On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense.
I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons?
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On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to.
Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me.
Seriously though I think HF is totes town.
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Same goes for marv if you have a chance before deadline to get some sorta read on HF please.
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