TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 15

On July 09 2015 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Should I sheep you on this thing on Damdred Tina?

On July 09 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote:
Rsoul why do you specifically point out HF wants to lynch milo over damdred. If damdred is 95% scum then milo is basically 95% scum add on to that the weird way he handled damdreds claim i don't see a problem with lynching either of them.

The way i see it we lynch damdred and hardon is around D3 or we lynch milo and either geript or ritoky is around D3 probably ritoky as he seems to be busy.

So yeah damdred is probs a better lynch today

On July 09 2015 23:09 Harkon wrote:

I was about to say this. Not to insult rsoultin but why on earth does LS need rsoultin to sheep her on this.

On July 09 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote:

fuck

On July 09 2015 23:01 rsoultin wrote:
-_-

this is really much simpler than y'all are making it

even ignoring that the best people at reading damdred were having trouble/scumreading him this game (not to be confused with the usual range of scrubs who can't get a read on him), it's still very simple

jat's claim - no scum benefit to claiming vet here. if damdy is town jk scum can get him lynched anyway without taking the risk of a claim + the way he's been talking since EoD reeked of extra info rather than it coming out of the blue like "hey, what if i do this, guys? hehehe!"

both kp accounted for

if ritoky wasn't shot and he's town, he was roleblocked, or scum are completely inept

jk doesn't protect one of the two contested cop claims in this scenario. 30 mins before EoN and in a hurry or not. just no -_- it's more valuable to leave them alone in case if by some miracle they can get a check, or hope scum is stupid enough to resolve the dispute for town by killing one

9 times out of 10 damdred is scum here. probably more like 19 out of 20 xP

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as a sidenote:
- we have hf wanting to lynch milo over damdred when damdred is like 95% mafia rb and there are a ton of blue claims, plus nks on palmar/harkon strong suggestion one of the "bigs" is scum
- if two mafia rbs ever flip lynch ruxxar with fire for tmi

believable claims: geript (suspecting damdy the whole time, and he reads damdy similarly to how i do so chances are his reads are just as good), harkon (see above), ritoky is cleared if (when) damdred flips scum, flipped banisher

milo most likely scum flailing

fifth scum is most likely a low impact player keeping their head low

On July 09 2015 23:23 Half the Sky wrote:


Re HF - no change there, agreed with you and Hark.

Agreed on the others....

For discussion on that 5th scummer....

MZ? Agreed on the comments said last night ritoky > milo, etc.

Other low profile people?

Vivax? Trfel (doubt it but wouldn't mind arguments)? BF? Scott?

On July 09 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote:
MZ is even more mafia now than he was before the actions.

TMIing it up the place with his milo/ritoky stuff, it looks like.

On July 09 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
like my whole point on MZ was that how he was treating milo/ritoky made no sense in conjunction with each other.

but it does make sense if he knows milo is mafia and ritoky isn't mafia.

that's the most obvious explanation for why milo was mafia for being "apathetic" whereas ritoky was town for being "absent" (can't get over the lols of this)

On July 09 2015 23:29 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I mean we could talk about the palmar NK at this point and its implications given he was barely playing. There has to be at least one vet on the scum team so that narrows things down considerably for later imo. Probably just meapakk though lol.

Not really sure what else there is to discuss today so back to work.

On July 09 2015 23:32 Half the Sky wrote:


I think Ras suggested it but Harkon/Palmar kills suggest someone that knew could read them well (a "big" or I think she meant high-profile player) would suggest HF. I'd agree on this point.

WIFOM yes, but it is very much in the realm of possibilities.

Even absent this there is behavior-based support for scum HF here.

On July 09 2015 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
Well yes there is lol. Damdred rb stacks with mafia rb and milo is mafia but yes quite unlikely.

On July 10 2015 03:06 Harkon wrote:

Well, no reads is once again an exaggeration but there is definitely a lack of content from your side and yes, I know you said you are busy. I am just stating a fact.

On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite

but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not

reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas

the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads

subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place

that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead

the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads

but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms

as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom

most of this i've already said

now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness

was that polite enough?

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also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated

i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him

On July 09 2015 02:18 ruXxar wrote:
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I appreciate the change in tone here. I can work with you like this.

Now, I don't really feel like you're addressing the main point here.
The essence of all my posting is simply this: why did you feel the necessity to defend/answer for trfel? HF was not addressing you, so you shouldn't have felt any need to interject.

I can see these reasonable motives:

1 you are town, you and trfel are such close friends that you feel like you need to defend him since you think your read is correct and everyone else is wrong.(I don't see you defending other people being attacked)
2 you are mafia defending town trfel because you are certain of his alignment and you know he's an easy target.
If he flips you know you will look good for defending him.
3 you are mafia defending mafia trfel because he's your partner.

Right now I'm leaning toward options 2 and 3, because the composite of your play seems scummy to me.

That said, there's other people in the game, and I need to spend my time evaluating them as well.