EPTshe's done it before as town? in titanic i think? it's not the safest claim for scum, imo
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she's done it before as town? in titanic i think? it's not the safest claim for scum, imo | ||
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you know, har...jat...har who lies about not playing until january xP for everyone wanting to lynch me and all that jazz they're sure not bothering with me now -amused- | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote: @rsoultin. HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game. Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information. Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog. The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit. The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel. When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did. Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself? Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment? Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on. Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play. Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction? go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims i've answered all your leading questions already i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information? lol >< | ||
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On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote: I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something. 1st interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts. 2nd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed) 3rd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed) It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing. I'm not going away anytime soon. just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^ why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts | ||
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nh? you mean the trash-tier townlean based on word choice? lol >< i think it's objectively just as strong now as it was then, for what it's worth | ||
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On July 08 2015 10:08 KelsierSC wrote: ] i do i aint mad but what you think of him now? i'm bad at reading him and i think that read works? but yeah, prototype out for a test drive...not married to it, if anyone has a good argument that isn't just nai for him | ||
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On July 08 2015 10:15 Breshke wrote: Can people give me their opinions about scott please. There is something giving me pause I want to see if others get it. pretty sure i saw it, too | ||
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massive associative read in other words xP | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Even if you think there were people going out of their way to save MZ, why were they only scum for doing so and why can't they be town trying to save someone they think is town? It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved. ^ this milo like...i actually think it's a very good idea to know the alignments of all wagons to help get a clearer picture, but if your scumread just centers around you thinking the shenanigans were odd...eh even if some of the voters were odd, that speaks more to their alignment i don't know if you were following the recent game where hf was scum, but a couple of the scumteam switched off super suspiciously and the other wagon was town xP i got a ton of flak for not just jumping to a scumread on gb while scumreading the wagon jumpers pre-flipped associations rarely end well, in other words | ||
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1. MZ is town not wanting to lynch into inactive 2. MZ is scum making MAD PLAYZ for ultimate WIFOM presumably with his scummates to back up the wagon switch <- possible but town far outweigh scum right now so that's pretty ballsy, especially when he can just let the switch to confirmed town bm happen 3. MZ is scum and going for that no-lynch play by trying to divide the votes by starting a third lynch <- much more likely scum play if he is scum, but still a bit risky, and i don't see how it benefits scum to no-lynch over lynching a townie unless it's simply to deny info | ||
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it's probably best just to hold mz to actually playing this game -shrugs- and read him from there | ||
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On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly. ^ this doesn't make sense how is wanderer an easily confirmable role? | ||
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On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote: If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them. I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else. What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind. lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts i asked you what other reads you had an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town | ||
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you claim to be asking me questions that i not only already answered, but after i said as much you said you were trying to convince everyone ELSE which by definition means you didn't give a flying shit what i responded in the first place maybe this is some en masse hf channeling thing where all "townies" think tunneling and sniping at players is the same as questioning them/pressuring them, but if you want me to actually address your concerns (lol concerns ><) 1. actually phrase them in a way where it's not obvious you've already made up your mind 2. actually read my responses to the questions you've already asked and i've already answered 3. engage with me on your other reads cause you won't convince me i'm scum, and you're not posting in a way that would actually help determine my alignment; you're flat-out tunneling case and point? you literally have no other scumreads right now like i don't see how this is townplay, but obviously i'm biased (btw it's not thread derailment to call shit reasoning and pretend "questioning" shit. you already revealed your hand by saying you weren't trying to engage with me in the first place. also, kindly don't refer to your paraphrasing as "fact" that's just ridiculous) i'll try to get a reads list up tonight at least lol >< | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote: independent of marv here. that is definitely weird, rit | ||
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but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom most of this i've already said now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness was that polite enough? also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote: I really don't know. I am particularly bad at reading Damdred. I'd say he was my worst read on TL Mafia right now. i'm very good at reading damdy lol >< my early issues with him were - scumread on ls when it was too early to reasonably have one - concentrating on limited things instead of taking a broader view of the game - someone else mentioned he poe's by getting townreads first normally <- this is true...usually his cases come from looking into the people he hasn't already eliminated another way i read him is by emotion in his posting, but that was actually okayish, so i was kinda waffling and then he expanded his view of the game i'm pretty confident i can read him on a filter dive? just need to actually get to it @.@ | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote: i scumread him for this before and he was town. point 2 maybe, point 3,meh... if you could filter him before daybreak, i'd be very grateful, i want to know what you think + why i'll try at lunch i said this pre-game, but i'm in a chem class + lab which is eating a shit ton of my time -_- i'm going to be chronically afk during the time i was yesterday. but i'll try lol | ||
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and if anyone wants me to bug me about anything before day phase i'll answer i have nothing new though and am kind of in an eh mood for reasons outside the game so...yeah. fair warning | ||
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