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On July 23 2015 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:On July 23 2015 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote:
I don't see how you can possibly think i'm scum with wave when he hammered me last phase and the only reason I wasn't lynched was breshke switched off
I don't see how you're sitting here on your hands when both of your worlds have wave and truffle as scum. Like, according to your logic the only reason to stay on me is association that doesn't even work that well and you and one of your scumreads are the only ones voting me. Why aren't you trying to get wave or truffle lynched?
For being "town" you are far too content to do basically nothing this cycle. There's nothing preventing you from starting a new wagon on someone you're more convinced is scum, but you're not last phase wasnt lylo. And? Are you reading ebh scum? Cause otherwise this is retarded ^^ So mafia could bus for cred. why? yes this is true, but why when mafia can get a mislynch and preserve 2kp for at least two more cycles? it's moot anyway because i'm town -_- look, clarity, if you've got a good reason i'll consider it? I know not infallible, but thus far all you've really said is his activity picked up when you had him in your scumreads? so? why couldn't he do that as town? why is it scummy now but him still not doing much early game despite the.scumreads not being considered? you said he didn't have a town mindset...which posts are you talking about? All of them. Like read his filter and tell me where it appears he is thinking about the game or changing his mind based on new information. Look rsoultin either you're town and you'll figure it out or you're not and congrats you won, you should probably just stop posting either way. If you're town and as competent as you appear to be you should be able to figure out that I'm town. How about the part where you said I wasn't all that scummy, but had to be scum due to POE?
Clarity_nl's filter is riddled with inconsistencies like this.
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On July 23 2015 02:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 02:43 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. On the contrary, lynching the scummiest people WILL win you the game, and that is the best way to do it. The key is how you use the word "scummy". Some things are commonly called "scummy", such as being inactive, making bad posts, making bad reads, having logic gaps, and lots of things that are objectively bad play. However, these things don't necessarily make someone scum. If you simply lynch the objectively "worse" players, who are playing objectively "worse", you will probably lose the game. But if you lynch based on mafia motivation and reads which are truly alignment indicative, lynching the "scummiest" players (by these standards) is a thousand times better than using unflipped associations. is rux mafia? At the moment, I don't really think so, but I keep going back on forth on him.On July 23 2015 02:36 ruXxar wrote:
Like I already said before to clarity, at this point I'm not going to vote for people unless I can fit them into a world of three.
Just lynching the scummiest person is not going to win you the game. I've seen enough times how the towniest looking people are actually scum.
I'm trying to be as logical as I can about this and try to not let emotions get in the way of my decisions here. This post suggests how his play could come from town.
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On July 19 2015 10:16 Clarity_nl wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +Earlier I've townread rsoultin for hinting at Trfel's irl issues, which I find hard to believe if rsoultin is scum and trfel is town. I also found it hard to believe if they're both scum, but perhaps I should ignore that and look more closely. I think if rsoultin is scum that makes trfel scum as well. This is because I believe as scum rsoultin would feel bad about using info she has irl to make her fake reads ingame. However if they are both scum she would not feel this way. As town you can't really help it, and she did what appears to be her best to not mention it outright in thread On July 19 2015 10:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote:
The read I don't understand is BF. His town game is very poor in general because he has has zero town coaching in newbie game. His only newbie he was scum. Ras seems to have gotten her read on him from nsm10 so I need to read that filter again. I thought he was town here but apparently the too scum to be scum applied in the game he was actually scum.
This game the number of scum thing he didn't know but I don't recall him acting THAT dumb in nsm10.
His read on me is a fear read which is NAI, but complete understandable from a town perspective.
You are POEing Trfel regardless of DMA? Yeah pretty much. I have to be wrong somewhere and I think it's much more likely to be trfel than WoS. WoS is actively not giving a shit by being actually afk. Trfel on the other hand shows up sometimes and does nothing. bf is the same story. Basically I ended up with too many townreads after the breshke/OWS thing, which means either this is some brilliant move by scum!Breshke (which I doubt very highly) or I'm wrong somewhere. Clarity_nl's read on me changed because it's possible that I could be mafia with rsoultin, and because of POE.
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On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency.
But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation.
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On July 23 2015 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency. But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation. how do you tell the difference between manipulating his reads and genuinely changing his mind? Do you think that the situation was not reasonable for clarity to change his mind? Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't.
I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl.
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On July 23 2015 03:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2015 03:09 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 23 2015 03:03 Trfel wrote:On July 23 2015 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO EXCITING.
trfel please, thats not an inconsistence.
It's not really an inconsistency. But it is Clarity_nl manipulating his reads/thoughts to his advantage based on a changing situation. how do you tell the difference between manipulating his reads and genuinely changing his mind? Do you think that the situation was not reasonable for clarity to change his mind? Based on all of the examples I found, no, I don't. I can understand it when it's one, or two, or three. But not when there are so many more, and not when they always seem to benefit Clarity_nl. Can you just list a few more times clarity has done this, no need to quote. What do you mean by benefiting clarity? Can you also explain how the changes benefited scum clarity? Cheers. Will do. It will take me a while, though.
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I looked through it all last night, I can't remember all of the examples.
If it were one or two big examples, then sure, but it's a bunch of smaller ones.
I will demonstrate what I am saying, but it will require the use of quotes. Deal with it.
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On July 23 2015 03:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
How about just 1 example? Why are you so impatient?
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On July 23 2015 03:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because the sun is fading There are three and a half hours to go.
You think that I am mafia, correct? Not just a better chance than yourself, but actually mafia?
I stated that I had a bunch of small reasons, and that if it was only a few posts it wouldn't really matter. So, you want me to share one reason only? For what purpose?
Not to figure out my alignment, clearly. And not to actually prove a point, either. Just to be manipulative, to get a weakened argument and then tear it to shreds to make yourself look better and make me look worse.
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Oatsmaster, I doubt you're mafia, and if you are then the game is lost anyway.
But I'm asking you to wait 15-30 minutes for me to be able to properly explain my point.
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Clarity_nl
1. Changing stance on first few posts of the game (no idea how to phrase this)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hype! And already information.
Holyflare claiming VT is interesting. Doesn't seem something scum would do or think of this quickly after PMs went out/daypost went up.
Not lynching him today. On July 06 2015 07:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
PS me and holyflare can't both be scum, discuss. This isn't a terribly useful read, it's just something done at the start of the game to get the discussion started. On July 06 2015 08:33 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
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do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"? What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself. but now it just tastes like pre.... well it just tastes bad you know. That's fine, just don't lynch HF or myself today and reevaluate tomorrow. Moving on. Earlier, Clarity_nl said that the first few posts thing wasn't important; it wouldn't have a big effect on the game, and he didn't really care if other people agreed with his townread of Holyflare or not. Suddenly here, he says that it is a reason for himself to not be lynched on Day 1. This is a very sudden change, given that he earlier said things like "if you disagree with my town lean on Holyflare I could see why" and "I want to move past this, it's not worth discussing this much". His implication changed from something only he would follow to something he expected everyone else to follow as well. On July 06 2015 08:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
I gave out a townread super early because I wanted to get the game started He keeps changing his reasons for his first few posts of the game and his townread on Holyflare. It feels like Clarity_nl became the first suspected person in the thread, and reacted by scrambling instead. He spent a lot of time talking to people about things he said didn't matter very much, and where only to have something to discuss at the start of the game. But when prompted, he also insisted on having somewhat strong townreads (specifically, enough reason not to lynch on Day 1) Holyflare and himself. He's trying to show that what he did was both important and unimportant, whatever will help him not get scumread at that moment.
2. Has a strong townread on scott31337 for no reason
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. On July 06 2015 18:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Trfl I was distinctly null but your last post:
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Then you post your "most suspicious" list which includes two people [scott31337 and Holyflare] I'm very happy to call town [...] So, Clarity_nl has a strong enough townread on scott31337 that he's willing to use my different read as a basis to scumread me. In between these two posts, here are the posts that scott31337 made: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm On July 06 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm what? What are you unsure of? I didn't care for his vote, although he does explain it decently here - Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm This seems like a major overreaction tbh. Why are you so pissy about my vote? Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is. And I'm not pissy - I just called it a shit vote because, well, it is.  ![[image loading]](http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/wrong.jpg) On July 06 2015 09:36 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:27 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm what? What are you unsure of? I didn't care for his vote, although he does explain it decently here - On July 06 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm This seems like a major overreaction tbh. Why are you so pissy about my vote? Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is. And I'm not pissy - I just called it a shit vote because, well, it is. On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you i don't remember you dont like hf but uou like ,marv? ??? Expand No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it) On July 06 2015 11:40 scott31337 wrote:You are actually going to have to be towny this game milo - BH will modkill you if you try that unvote cred in his game. On July 06 2015 15:05 scott31337 wrote:What reads do you have so far? What's interested you so far? Nothing at all warranting a serious read change. Clarity_nl's townread of scott31337 is primarily motivated by being able to use it to scumread me (Trfel).
3. Changing read on rsoultin
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:43 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Damdred why is rsoul town
do work It's a bit of a gut/tone read I have going on her. Her little spat with clarity she was a bit of a pita and her not hostility but uhhh exaggeration makes me feel it's town rd, plus the follow up makes me feel it I felt the opposite because she was basically just poking at my posts but not trying to get anywhere, is this a meta thing you're talking about? Soft-pushing is pretty much scum101. Not that I'm convinced either way, which is why I asked for thoughts on her, ruxxar replied strangely enough. On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Kelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine. On July 07 2015 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
PS Rsoultin sounding pretty town though I can't quite put my finger on why Four hours and three minutes in between these last two posts. Here are rsoultin's posts from that time period. + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote:
Soft push plus i'm "flustering" you? Lol cute ruxx
Not your first awkwardly worded post, either On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel Hm? It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss. I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation. You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit? I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what? Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter? I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"
There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why. "you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing" not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously? Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh
I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.
Trefel what are you doing? i missed the vote like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that goodso basically it comes down to strength of agreement Okay i follow. You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell. Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him xP could get that from reading the thread i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><
pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt... especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win again and again has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative: On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there but keep barking about it On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise. ^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><) and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you? On July 07 2015 02:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
"oh hf totally misrepresented me defending trfel because look i didn't" (if i eliminate the posts from my filter where i do!) after you started shitting on me and trying to make it look like nothing i said was worth anything On July 07 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote:btw hts read the post again ruxxar said that my posts were flustering him while soft-pushing suspicion on me then there's this post: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons. yes, i'm keying in on the wording, but it doesn't make sense. why should he care if the reasons for the lynch are bad or not? that's odd. why does something i'm writing that has nothing to do with him fluster him?granted it's not the strongest read ever, but it looks worse than oats randomly thinking me spamming xPs at him is alignment indicative or kelsier going on some crazy stats dig -_- On July 07 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:48 Harkon wrote:
Rsoultin and HF.
Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit.
HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things. now i'm not sure if i know whose smurf you are after all -_- bueno, that's not important truffle played like this in down under 2 and assassination, and i have no earthly clue what hf actually thinks to achieve by this unless he believes what he's saying, in which case he's not interested in truffle's alignment anyway because he's already made up his mind On July 07 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:50 KelsierSC wrote:On July 07 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote:btw hts read the post again ruxxar said that my posts were flustering him while soft-pushing suspicion on me then there's this post: On July 06 2015 12:07 ruXxar wrote:
Ls plz don't say too many stupid things.
I don't want to lynch you for bad reasons. yes, i'm keying in on the wording, but it doesn't make sense. why should he care if the reasons for the lynch are bad or not? that's odd. why does something i'm writing that has nothing to do with him fluster him?granted it's not the strongest read ever, but it looks worse than oats randomly thinking me spamming xPs at him is alignment indicative or kelsier going on some crazy stats dig -_- i mean it wasn't that crazy, could have been important and it was better than watching marv and oats have a dick measuring contest. -squints at- do you realize the likelihood that there's any correlation to the number of times i xP in a thread and my alignment? and if you're such a stats man, me taunting oats with it already throws off your data anyway but i guess i can understand not being interested in the back-and-forth between marv and oats you're wrong, btw. should probably ask me what read i have on someone before making assumptions based on how i addressed someone in a single post; i'm not sure about damdy and it's irritating...i usually have a read on him by now On July 07 2015 02:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:56 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative: On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there but keep barking about it On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise. ^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><) and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you? I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null. except my read is not null i was saying your argument was not alignment indicative i don't expect people to be able to get my tonereads or trust them On July 07 2015 02:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:57 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 02:48 Harkon wrote:
Rsoultin and HF.
Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit.
HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things. now i'm not sure if i know whose smurf you are after all -_- bueno, that's not important truffle played like this in down under 2 and assassination, and i have no earthly clue what hf actually thinks to achieve by this unless he believes what he's saying, in which case he's not interested in truffle's alignment anyway because he's already made up his mind no he didn't he did he irritated the shit out of me in down under 2 with like the entire rest of town Well, I was going to quote every post rsoultin made in this time period, but it turns out there are a million of them. Here is the start of her filter from this time period, you can read it yourself. Clarity_nl was scumreading rsoultin for doing soft pushes, but then evidently wanted to wait for more information due to what some people said about rsoultin's meta. However, he has a townread on KelsierSC for efforts, and chooses to elaborate on KelsierSC's push on rsoultin. However, looking at KelsierSC's filter, he doesn't say that much about rsoultin. KelsierSC's thoughts on rsoultin were that there was something suspicious around Damdred, LightningStrike, and rsoultin, and he was primarily focused on Damdred because Damdred's read on rsoultin was different from what he expected. But Clarity_nl didn't mention KelsierSC's push on Damdred at all. KelsierSC did do the "xP" analysis on rsoultin, but that didn't end up with anything. Basically, Clarity_nl has a scumread on rsoultin. Then he decides to wait for a while on this read because of meta, but sees KelsierSC making some points about Damdred's weird townread on rsoultin and then decides that he really likes this read on rsoultin (but completely ignores Damdred, despite that being KelsierSC's main focus). Then rsoultin does more random arguing and soft-pushing, and Clarity_nl has a townread on rsoultin.
4. Early push on WaveofShadow feels very suspicious
+ Show Spoiler +He asks a question about WaveofShadow ("Is WaveofShadow better than all you guys, or is he mafia?") that doesn't seem to suggest either option, sees Holyflare say that it probably means that WaveofShadow is mafia, then votes for Holyflare.
Then, after the push on WaveofShadow dies, Clarity_nl unvotes WaveofShadow, saying that WaveofShadow said more about his townread on Clarity_nl. But this isn't really true at all. WaveofShadow said that Clarity_nl's effort felt towny, said it again, and then said that he wouldn't explain why. Clarity_nl already said that this read felt like TMI because no one else saw his play this way. The only other thing that WaveofShadow did is say that Clarity_nl's opening few posts were not important. This doesn't explain why he unvotes WaveofShadow. He does it because the push obviously isn't going anywhere and he wasn't that interested in it to begin with, only interested in getting the focus off of himself.
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On July 23 2015 04:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean, none of the things you just said are wrong, they all happened and it seems you put them in the correct context. But it doesn't make me scum :D You wanna know how I know? Sure, tell me.
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On July 23 2015 04:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because I'm town That's what I expected you to say.
So, imagine that you are being scumread by someone you think is scum. You want this person to post their arguments so that you can show that they are scum.
They finally post their arguments.
What do you do in response?
Clarity_nl addressed this person, and this person alone, and told them that their arguments are wrong because he is town. He didn't make any conclusions as to the person's alignment, didn't try to do anything to demonstrate to people why these arguments are wrong.
This isn't a town mindset.
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On July 23 2015 04:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also none of it is benefiting me in the slightest.
Also all of these things are day 1, yet you somehow only picked up on scumreading me after I started pushing for your lynch, sooooo
scumface! Okay, well I need to go eat lunch, so I'm not going to wait for Clarity_nl to respond.
Of course Clarity_nl actually "responds" to my post eventually (if you call this a response). And this is much closer to a town mindset than his initial reaction. But it's the initial reaction that is telling. The actual analysis/persuasion (if you can even call it that) is delayed, suggesting that it is forced instead of natural, and not his first priority.
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I'm here, but we need to stack votes pretty heavily or we risk a no lynch to a vote switch.
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On July 23 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
Trfel what do you think of Wave?
I'm just getting nervous right now. Do you think the case you made on Clarity would have come from a town clarity potentially playing suboptimally? I think it's unlikely, but I can't say that Clarity_nl is definitely mafia.
I would be okay to lynch WaveofShadow, but I don't want to risk a no-lynch to do so.
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On July 23 2015 06:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
OK that's too much. Trfel spent all his time making the case and now he wants to switch off of clarity. Bullshit. Bullshit. No, I'd rather lynch Clarity_nl.
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On July 23 2015 06:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Then why do you even entertain the idea of switching? Because I'm bad, and I have a real talent for stupid tunneling.
I am confident that Half the Sky is town. If other townies think that WaveofShadow is a better lynch than Clarity_nl, I can consider it.
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Oatsmaster, please vote for Clarity_nl to prevent shenanigans.
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On July 23 2015 06:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Changed back to clarity. I'm slow.
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