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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 00:08 GMT
#1321
Ks keeps promising activity only,comes back with,I'm town.

It looks bad and is bad
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 00:09 GMT
#1322
On June 16 2015 09:07 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
It's funny to see all these people jumping out of the woodwork to defend kickstart.

*grabs popcorn*

This is a terrible post. We're asking for points against Kickstart because all I see is people deciding to kill him out of nowhere. If you find it so strange, then you might want to look at your behavior with Sulfurus.


Seems like we hit the right nerve.

#Productive.

^ This is an even worse post. You're trying to make it seem like your post was bait when it wasn't even intended that way. Keep them terrible posts coming ruXxar, and while you're on that, make more associative cases and jump on more wagons. Don't forget that you had the same behavior with Sulfurus, so we might have to look into that bb.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 16 2015 00:10 GMT
#1323
On June 16 2015 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:07 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
It's funny to see all these people jumping out of the woodwork to defend kickstart.

*grabs popcorn*

This is a terrible post. We're asking for points against Kickstart because all I see is people deciding to kill him out of nowhere. If you find it so strange, then you might want to look at your behavior with Sulfurus.


Seems like we hit the right nerve.

#Productive.

^ This is an even worse post. You're trying to make it seem like your post was bait when it wasn't even intended that way. Keep them terrible posts coming ruXxar, and while you're on that, make more associative cases and jump on more wagons. Don't forget that you had the same behavior with Sulfurus, so we might have to look into that bb.


You activated my trap card baby. <3
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 00:12 GMT
#1324
Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 00:12 GMT
#1325
Though if I'm to be honest, it's just good fun scum reading trfel. Get em good and riled up, rs tells me to do it all the time XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:13 GMT
#1326
scott31337

On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now.
So, geript is good as scum, but is playing worse than his mafia capabilities (and also therefore worse than his town capabilities, assuming he helps town at least a little more when he's town than when he's mafia). It's simply not alignment indicative, but scott31337 uses this as an excuse to not do anything about his geript read.
On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -

Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats

Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart

Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar
In addition to the (at the time) easy target (MoosyDoosy), he said he could lynch everyone who could be a lynch target for the day, everyone that everyone else had been suspecting. He could be credited with leaving Rels out of the "could lynch" category, but then:
On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:
Rels' Read Progression
  • Suspicious of ruXxar early
  • Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
  • Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
  • Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
  • Changes read on ruXxar to town
  • Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
  • Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
  • Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
  • List post
  • Unvotes batsnacks
  • Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
  • Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people.
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +
Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post)

It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts.

The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling.


I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man!
So, nope.

Reading through his filter, he only twice provided analysis on a player that is longer than one sentence. Combine that with how unoriginal he's been and how he's been willing to lynch everyone who might possibly be lynched, and he looks pretty scummy. I'm used to scott31337 being much more willing to go his own way and explain why.

I feel like I kind of got pocketed when he pointed out the Bat Traps thing to me in url code earlier. It was a good point, but he never acted on it. I wish I had noticed sooner.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 00:13 GMT
#1327
On June 16 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here.


You aren't even responding to,actual problems that are being shown
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 00:14 GMT
#1328
On June 16 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here.


You aren't even responding to,actual problems that are being shown

Then please point out these actual problems so that I can be productive than wasting time on ruXxar.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 00:19 GMT
#1329
If someone keeps promising activity when ever attention is given to them. Dissapears when thread looks everywhere and,never fulfills promise it a scummy
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 00:22 GMT
#1330
On June 16 2015 09:19 Damdred wrote:
If someone keeps promising activity when ever attention is given to them. Dissapears when thread looks everywhere and,never fulfills promise it a scummy

Then can Kickstart respond to this rather than continuing to promise more activity and/or provide a solid argument?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:22 GMT
#1331
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:24 GMT
#1332
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:24 GMT
#1333
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 16 2015 00:25 GMT
#1334
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?

I feel it's similar to behavior from Sulfurus and Kickstart. All three promise to post more and provide more content on some level but always give little content, end up on wagons, and disappear for some lengths of time unless directly referred to.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:28 GMT
#1335
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:29 GMT
#1336
Because MoosyDoosy asked. I think everyone else already knows why Kickstart is suspicious.

+ Show Spoiler +
Kickstart

1. Early posts don't attempt to provide reads
+ Show Spoiler +
(first post in thread excluded as it obviously couldn't contain a read)
On June 12 2015 08:14 Kickstart wrote:
Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, you answered a question directed at me!
On June 12 2015 08:15 Kickstart wrote:
But I might give you points for answering it correctly. Maybe. Probably not.
On June 12 2015 08:16 Kickstart wrote:
Also lol@ruxxar not finding the jokey first posts 'genuine enough'. You so silly. or scum. Ill let you decide which it is.
On June 12 2015 08:17 Kickstart wrote:
Oh also, dont forget that you have to 'actually' vote in the other thread. Generally you still say it here as well though so that people are sure to read it.
On June 12 2015 08:19 Kickstart wrote:
Day1 just at game start association cases are bad. Especially when I'm not scum.
On June 12 2015 08:21 Kickstart wrote:
And there are 3 mafia, 10 town. There are probably blue roles and possibly mafia roles but this we do not know, only the possibility that there is.
On June 12 2015 08:29 Kickstart wrote:
I'm joking with him it means nothing. His statement was silly and scummy, I said I would let him decide which one he wants us to classify it as. (hint: I think it is mildly scummy).
On June 12 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote:
I've explained the no lying thing, read please. If you say you will do something do it - that is what is generally meant in forum mafia about lying. If you say " I will give my reads at such and such time", then you better do it, etc etc.
On June 12 2015 10:09 Kickstart wrote:
And town shouldn't really lie anyways. I don't know how ruxxar got in his mind that this game is about lying all over the place. Towns job is to not lie and be open and honest, only people that need to be thinking about lying this early are scum, save for some rare situations.
On June 12 2015 10:17 Kickstart wrote:
What case. The only case is that ruxxar misunderstood everything I said.

Just an fyi, I will tunnel people to hell and back who willfully misrepresent what I say. Ask Oats. Whenever he decides to show up that is.
On June 12 2015 10:18 Kickstart wrote:
Ruxxar is looking most scummy and sulfurus needlessly hoping on me as well is suspicious. Especially when he cites a non existent case as the reason.
Look at how long it takes him to really start providing reads. For a very long time he's commenting but not going the next step of taking a stance on someone's alignment. So while he is posting, he actually isn't doing anything to move the game forward. It's best to make reads to at least get the game started

It's possible that he is simply holding some reads back, but simply scumreading ruXxar and Sulfurus suggests the opposite to me. He doesn't seem all that interested in scumreading, especially for his large volume of posts.

2. Terrible behavior since his return
+ Show Spoiler +
Excuses, complaining, responding whenever someone scumreads him with "inactivity isn't alignment indicative".

But no scumhunting, no questions, no content. He's willing to read the thread and say "this scumread of me is stupid" but not scumhunt.

On June 16 2015 09:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?

I feel it's similar to behavior from Sulfurus and Kickstart. All three promise to post more and provide more content on some level but always give little content, end up on wagons, and disappear for some lengths of time unless directly referred to.
I have expectations for scott31337, and expectations for Kickstart. And neither of them are meeting these expectations.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:30 GMT
#1337
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:33 GMT
#1338
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.


Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 00:35 GMT
#1339
On June 16 2015 09:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.


Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
If he's town, presumably to make sure that if you were scum, you wouldn't see it and then use a Bat Trap?

Alternatively, he could have just done that to pocket me.... and it worked, darn it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 16 2015 00:37 GMT
#1340
On June 16 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 09:33 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:30 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 Trfel wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:24 batsnacks wrote:
On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?


I'll talk to you trfel.
Based on my post a few posts up, what do you think about scott31337?


I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand.
He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.


Well he's right. Why bother to say this to you in code though? Was he defending me from you when I had votes or something?
If he's town, presumably to make sure that if you were scum, you wouldn't see it and then use a Bat Trap?

Alternatively, he could have just done that to pocket me.... and it worked, darn it.


I don't understand why mafia scott is trying to pocket you of all people with an obscure yet highly accurate meta read on me.
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