[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 9

On June 03 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.

I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere

On June 04 2015 16:15 ritoky wrote:
well going to bed and i think this is the best lynch:

##vote: chocolate

he wanted to policy lynch scott for inactivity before the person he made a scum case on in VE, which makes absolutely no sense to me. when pressured and asked about it he gave some convoluted response about a thought process which never occurred in the thread, him having a read on scott that didn't exist because it was policy, and some factually incorrect information.

add this onto VE's case, and i think it is currently the best vote.

On June 05 2015 05:54 scott31337 wrote:
I remember you saying that in my game when I got lynched D1 as town - and I jumped on another wagon instead of the popular one, and look - I was town.

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

[TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so I thought I might provoke a reaction here, but woooooooow.

Your first post made no sense. We had plenty of time to get an alternative wagon going. KS only got four votes - two or three thrown somewhere else would have been enough. And moreover, it shouldn't really matter - if you thought Chocolate was town, you shouldn't have been voting for him, period. Looking back at it now, it looks like you could have been just laying the groundwork for reticence after the event.

Your second post comes across horribly, to me anyway. Why would you want me to vote for you? If you're town, you'd want to convince me I'm wrong. I wasn't aggressive in my post, and I don't think I was rude (certainly much less than others have been in this thread). so rather than swearing, why not make a case? and if there is something you think I'd missed (ie the other ritoky game) then you could have at least linked to it and explained why my interpretation is wrong. You didn't do that.

Because if you are town, you would not be lazy enough yourself to build this "case" on me and find out for yourself. TL Mafia Database? profile my name? Unless you type at 120wpm you would have been able to find it in the time you took to write this.


Then you immediately transition to making a more substantive post, but without referencing my accusation that your posts aren't overly detailed. if I was wrong, you could have pointed out previous posts where you did (ie that I was wrong), but you didn't.

Finally, you say that you want me gone. But you don't actually give a reason. The natural town thing, if you want to get a Mafia lynched, is to make an argument that other townies might buy. But you didn't do that either.
*Bolded my replies in your quote so they are not missed*

In my latest posts I think I have shown it enough - your vote switch would stick out at me. If you want me to build a case on you, I'm down for that. I got allllll day.

Overall, your posts come across like you're panicking at having been called out.

The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town.

On June 08 2015 13:02 Tictock wrote:
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler + OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.

On June 08 2015 09:39 Chocolate wrote:
TT
VE
someone else

are mafia
Just got to find #3

On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote:

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me

On June 07 2015 20:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
Oh and if chocolate flips scum I think the votes make it very clear who his scum team can and can't be.

Day 1 Vote Count

Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
+ Show Spoiler +
Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts.

On June 07 2015 20:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Rereading chocolate's filter, his reads don't seem to evolve naturally. It just seems really fucking awkward to read at all.

Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town.

Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point?


So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks:
- calls scott number 1 scum
- never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more"
- townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town
- chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs
- chez rule

Like wtf is this shit?


Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me.

Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum.

I've also saved the best for last:
"Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this.

On June 08 2015 18:55 Fidei86 wrote:
I've just had a quick read over VE's filter and I'll concede that I was wrong - he has not been lurking Day 2. However, he did spend basically all of Day 2 going after Templar. I'm all over the place on VE right now. I need to re-read Damdred's filter, because I have this nagging feeling that one of them is mafia, and I can't figure out which.

@TT I'll try and read Damdred's filter at lunch and come back with thoughts.

On June 05 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
This game is so weird, the people I DON'T expect to have reads on me do and the people I DO expect to have reads on me don't.

On June 04 2015 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I came out of hibernation to give a ride or die townread on scott. Good job buddy.

On June 06 2015 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And just in case anyone else had any fucking doubt, this is what VE looks like when he's town and tries.

On June 08 2015 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred just look at what Chocolate says about why he is voting for me EoD1. After he comes to this "realization" that he's just OMGUSing me and that I may be town or whatever, he KEEPS voting for me because "he doesn't have any other mafia reads" and when he DOES finally vote for Kickstart (because he's the only other realistic wagon) he EVEN SAYS that it's just to save his life. He NEVER had any mafia reads during D1, and I think that he AS mafia just didn't want to piss anyone off.

On June 08 2015 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yup, still not mafia.

Obviously I have to reevaluate. I'll be back before dawn or whatever.

On June 09 2015 07:00 Fidei86 wrote:
One crazy thought I just had is that the scum team is VE, Damdred and Chocolate, and VE and Damdred have been trying to bus Chocolate all game, but the town keep screwing it up and voting for townies.