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Tictock
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On May 25 2015 17:04 sicklucker wrote: Me You plot bm maybe? town roles Thats all i got need 1 more i think but roles have not claimed yet so making a poe list is meaningless unlike last game Decent list. Town wins... D4 then, assuming no SK nonsense of course. It could be more efficient, but I'm down with it. | ||
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Tictock
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+ Show Spoiler + First the nonsense... (never happened) On May 25 2015 17:22 sicklucker wrote: bunnies pushing scott makes more sense if shes with both scott and disinfo Followed by a dance of confusion On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote: wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia Next, the all so important dash of truth... On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote: so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote: shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience And... the Crescendo! On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote: this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies That boys is how you make up a read in 5 minuets... SL you ARE sick | ||
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Tictock
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On May 22 2015 12:50 Tictock wrote: So far I'm forcing myself to null read sicklucker. | ||
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Maybe people should look at that last game... the one that I'm linking here. I think a quick look through filters shows SL being far more helpful to town in far fewer posts than this game. Also for reference, I started focusing him pretty hard on page 94. I wasn't nearly as funny as this game though, sorry. | ||
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She's fallen off my radar since EoD. Why aren't you back on this scott wagon? | ||
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SL wagon >.< | ||
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On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote: Are you trying to deliberately read me wrong? I clearly ranged the time from 4h00h to 5h00 (this is p11) where SL dominated the thread with conversation. This was a sign of town slip for me, like Boxerfred town-slipping when he mentions his coaching QT. At never a moment did I say “I stress SL’s play from 0h00 to 4:00” as my ground to read him, but you accuse me of doing that in your bolded part. Why? This was absolutely not clear from the post I quoted. Please show me the posts SL made that so impressed you. This will avoid me getting confused. On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote: It was not to posture up for the SL read later. It was just naturally that I mentioned Rels in combination with SL because at that time (before EoD1) only he and me thought Rels could flip scum. Your right, that part is just me filling in some gaps. Still felt freaking weird how you post all that while also not being convinced that mafia NK'd him. Just don't understand motive as town there. On May 25 2015 18:58 plotspot wrote: Also please specify here: “Do these points sound like anybody else we know?” Who do you mean? You pick out 2 points from this list and use it to compare a whole person, ignoring the rest of the points? What is that method? From what I can see you try too hard to read me, without really understanding how I roll, so you’re like ignoring 50% just only picking out the 50% that suits you. The two points I bolded, which you were scumming him for, also apply very strongly to SL. Any opinions? | ||
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Tictock
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Seriously, SL regardless of your alignment this game your just making it too easy to troll you. I've gotten some good laughs, hope you did too. @ Plots I'll respond to anything else you put up for me when I next have time. You should also look at the 2nd half of the case I made on you btw. Sorry, it's too late for me to keep lurking. I prob wont be around till a similar time tomorrow. | ||
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Tictock
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@Dis Reread that quote of me you made there. My whole point was the SL made a boldfaced lie that 3) never happened. | ||
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Tictock
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Ok it’s nice of you trying to read me, but do you have a feeling for time? Get your facts straight out first, maybe? I scumread Dis entirely based on the 6 hours, and I even emphasized it when I made that read. Why did I vote for him? I freakin ran out of time. I posted my first sheet with 6 hours game info 28 hours into D1 and had a hard time catching up. Somewhere between 28hours and EoD (48hours), as I continued with my sheet I was more and more townreading Dis. Why didn’t I bother switching? Because it didn’t matter, as Scott was clearly the lynch that day. This is a kind of philosophy that I know some people do not agree to, they consider voting as some sort of taking stance, even if doesn’t matter to the end result. They probably don’t want to face the shit of others asking them “meh if you think he is town why don’t you switch”. My response: it didn’t matter that time. My read progressed on Dis from scum to town. He is not in danger of getting lynched. It is fine as it is. Do you understand Tictock? Do you understand my reasoning, even if you think it’s strange or don’t agree to this sort of mentality? Can you accept this as some sort of logical sequence and not a ploy of ploy to be deceptive? Lol, my facts were straight, I simply broke my case up kus it would have been one giant wall of text. I posted and proded in between kus I felt like it. I did end my first post on you with I have more to come, but that feels like enough for one post. So you were reading Dis as town EoD and were just too lazy to switch your vote. Ok I get being lazy. However it doesn't seem like good logic as town to leave your vote on a townread though. Kus then some mean guy on the internet is gunna call you scum when you later try to say he was a townread. 1. the first time SL defended me: I feel like he isn’t really defending me that much. He is just pointing out the obvious, while he has his active phase in the thread. For you it was not obvious because you were suspicious of me. Besides, Breshke also figured out the obvious. You spun too much from a simple good night post from me. Yea, that's possible, but it was the only thing you had posted. I've said multiple times this game that I deal with inactive people by reading their posts twice as hard. 2. the second time SL “defended” me: I think he is overreacting in his natural way to the effort I made. Do you really think he wouldn’t vote me if he thinks I’m scum? Like he keeps forever to his caption: “never lynch PL never ever”? Do you think SL is that stupid? No possible way it was SL posting strategically for something? First good point I've seen you make. Yes of course SL is overstating things like he always does here. My point was that all those posted taken together is quite the amount of posts by him dedicated to you. Given that you've been doing this kind of analysis all game I thought you'd have picked up on that. 3. “That BOLDED PART never happened”: Yeah because I don’t have the time yet. I haven’t closely looked at him N1 yet. N1 something seemed to have happened why everyone thinks he is scum. As I posted earlier I’m willing to look at it. Nope sorry. There was a clear order to things. You read SL town D1. Said you might relook at his posts. Then posted your D2 reads once again Town reading SL, THEN he made that post. He had every sign that you were townreading him. The fact that you keep defending him on this makes me wonder why you are so protective of him. 4. “Humm, even if plots thinks SL is town, why is he defending SL here? Shouldn't town!plots go "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him" rather than "oh of course my buddy SL was thinking I was going to do this kus of stuff I said earlier" ?” You again didn’t get your facts straight. Why would I be saying "Hey wait, why is he saying that I'm pushing him when I just townread him". That would make no sense. I said I was going to look on him closer N1 even though I townread him for D1. He reads it and says he expects me to push him. Why is this illogical? Because looking closer at someone =/= pushing them. Again your making a logical leap FOR SL. 5. Why did I “defend” him there when he could have resolved it himself: 2 reasons. I was in a posting streak. Plus it was Breshke who raises this point and not some noob. I was sure to correct Breshke as a valuable town member, preventing him from going off. I also corrected Breshke on a point earlier. Why the hostility to noobs here? I'm not reading into this, just... wierd. Oh is this against me? Again, why so defensive of SL? Why not let SL defend SL, you doing it for him suggests you have some connection to him. If the both of you are town, there is no way you 100% know SL is town. 6. My joking with SL: I explained about it very clearly here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24311053 But I see. It’s a mentality problem. You’d never be able to do something like this so most likely you can’t wrap that concept around your head. It wasn’t forced at all. SL was the only one there and I had my fun. So this is your explanation, I did misread it before. I missed the bolded line This is why I think you're town TT. I can explain it, but will you believe me? I was relaxing from the stress and SL is the only one with the kind of posting style I can do it with. Posting crap like that with you would be impossible. I say please, please consider that you could be wrong. Please. Possibly because the next line (italics) caught my attn much more. I'll give you a pass on assuming I'm impossible to reason with or talk to. Though in my defense you've never tried. Yeah you probably noticed the reason by now. I was preparing for a scum read on Rels when the results blew up on my face. I wanted still to post some reading results based on the effort I did so far. Naturally containing no scumread. I asked for time to read 27ninjabunnies, Sulfurus, Batsnacks and Barakos. Why does it look like I’m not scum hunting, when I'm still willing to look into others but couldn't just do yet due to time reasons? Not sure why you bring up Rels again here but w/e. And to answer the bolded question, Kus your not finding scum!  More seriously because you post that and haven't done much about it. Tbh you'd have sold me much better on you being town by having spent time doing that rather than responding to my case. | ||
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Tictock
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Yea stop it, that's something SL would never do! + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: If your a town veg and dont know who to shoot you can just hardclaim now and discuss it without a roleblocker. Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few @BF it's pretty WIFOM without claims having been made. That is to say, your having to make too many assumptions for that to be a solid theory. | ||
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On May 25 2015 21:09 plotspot wrote: What I think funny about this game in general is like some people thinking: “man I’m the king, I’m cryptic, I’m careful, I’m good. But if I catch some scum it’s because he is stupid, makes stupid mistakes I would never do, slips regularly on the easiest logics”. If you applied your logic to me would you make such a stupid mistake and be inconsistent saying one time in the first post and a completely different time in another post? Isn’t it a bit too easy to catch scum like this? Lol you really do have such a low opinion of me for scumming you, huh? I'm hunting for scum by pointing out inconsistencies, slips of logic, and things that don't make sense to me. I'm also putting pressure on people who say these things because I want to try and understand if they are just townies making plays I don't understand or are really motivated by being scum. So if my thinking is so bad, should I be trying this spreadsheet thing? Is that still working for you? What ways do you suggest we find scum? | ||
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Anyone around want to chat? Apparently I'm not sleeping tonight. | ||
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Going back to my thoughts on 27 nb, well.. it's still the same as what i was saying D1 and your own read is pretty in line with that. Basically there is very bad reasoning in how she starts to scum Dis because she scum read BF. Really my biggest concern there is that she scums BF, but ignores him and focus' Dis. It's a wierd play and she clings to it. Idk maybe she just got lazy like plots over there. If that's the case then I'm sure glad we have some active town, though I still miss Rels. Anyways, in my current theories with SL and Plots my most likely Scum, she would be the potential SK. I'm not sure I can back it up (maybe I'm getting lazy too) but I get the sense that she's rather disconnected from the game. Like, doesn't really want to find scum but is along for the ride. This isn't something that we should entertain much though since SK role wont be confirmed until we have 3 dead scum and an active game. If SL flips green and I've just been super tunneled on him then I'd say 27nb and BM are most likely our scum team. | ||
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It just helps when you talk to me that way. | ||
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On May 25 2015 22:05 Breshke wrote: oh shit tictok brought up my case basically before me. This guys town Your welcome! I def don't mind lynching bunnies, hell maybe I'd even get on board so that me and SL can shit storm each other tomorrow night as well. Nah still sticking to my own reads until somebody poke read holes in them or we get something more solid on 27nb. If she pulls a scott? Humm, I'll reconsider near EoD. | ||
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Tictock
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In my mind it's more about the pressure and interactions that come from that pressure. Not "Oh! I caught you using logical falicy!" Like I'm far more likely to resend my scum lean on you given some of your attempts to reason with me. I still think there are enough points to keep reading scum on you, but there is a reason I'm gunning for SL first. Maybe one day SL will learn he simply needs to use words and reason... it seems he likes the playstyle he has though, so I wont expect it to change. | ||
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Very helpful when filter diving and you feel like you are missing context. I'm 3rding this displeasure at the lack of activity today. I know it is a holiday weekend where I am, but still... I also dislike how many lurkers we still have this game. | ||
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Besides, I actually see some posts from SL I like today. On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote: This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) you dont say? ty for that qt info On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote: ##vote barakos time to play the game G And then he reminds me why I always end up scumming him... On May 26 2015 10:04 sicklucker wrote: I see multiple scummy people now its great. Sorry for wanting a vote to be between them and not between a confirmed town with 12 pages of filter Oh well. | ||
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