EPTOn May 10 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote:
Well Your wrong
Well Your wrong
It happens, I can accept that.
I'd rather not accept lazy town play as an excuse, to being wrong.
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Tictock
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It happens, I can accept that. I'd rather not accept lazy town play as an excuse, to being wrong. | ||
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Tictock
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I think I have a fairly solid case against SL here, and at this point there is little that will change my vote. Fair Warning, I'm going to go a little crazy with quotes. As per usual I'll try to bury reference quotes in spoilers, just be warned there may be a lot in some of them. D1: SL enters the game with a weak town claim off the bat, hidden away in spoilers (ish). Makes a few pokes a people then jumps on scott. On May 03 2015 13:17 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote: scott31337 ya I dont like scotts no reason to vote me vote after he enters the game expecting to "keep an eye on me" This is WELL after -c- makes his open post and starts to focus scott and this is the first time he mentions scott in any post. This is exactly why I called him out for sheeping the vote, to which he tried to claim otherwise (total lies, if you check the thread) + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2015 16:53 sicklucker wrote: My vote was not sheep I was one if not the first to bring him up. He opened with how he wanted to keep an eye on me, then voted me because I didnt post much as my pre game excuse said I would then he said a bunch of other garbage and afked for 24 hours. He had 1 post after that which I called him out as being town but no one was interested in voting hts with 3 votes. Now with a vote on someone who is already under pressure, SL starts to post more casually. He stops quoting people and starts making a lot more spam posts. When called on it, he starts to use his lazy excuse. On May 04 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote: im already doing shit On May 04 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: I did my usual routine of going through the thread and quoting and talking about things that interest me thoughts? On May 04 2015 09:09 sicklucker wrote: conivnce me not to vote whats his face obs guy scott because from my pov and whjat I read he looks pretty bad Notice he still gives no reason why he doesn't like scott. The rest of SL's posts D1 are trash and spam. Makes weak efforts to target people, all without anything backing it up. On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote: So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho Then, 1 hour before EoD (proof) SL does this. On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town  On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: no ones switching anyway. Boring Those last 2 posts were literally right at EoD. D2 This is the day SL starts pushing his mechanical plays. He actually starts with an interested play, On May 06 2015 16:49 sicklucker wrote: If im a cop I have a green on hts On May 07 2015 00:34 sicklucker wrote: I would totally do this as the real cop 100% of the time its something I learned on another site. The idea is to fake it x amount that mafia does not believe me. but if I do die in the night and I am the real cop theirs no fighting about who my check is because I left it in the thread. Also if I am faking a check and I die in the night as vt, it means hts is most likely town because mafia would have no reason to kill me if my fake check was on a mafia member. Its a very useful strategy that everyone should use Might have something solid behind it, seems just as misleading to town as it is to mafia to me though. SL's main play D2 is of course his theory regarding Super's RB claim making him scum. On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote: oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia. 50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this This argument is total bull, it would have had us lynching our Vig. The math doesn't hold either. In a game where we have 4 setups, 2 of them with Vet 2 without, there is always a 50% chance that we don't have a Vet regardless of when or how people claim RB. To town with limited information the odds never get better than that, 50% change the claim is valid or invalid. Regardless of the mechanics there the fact that SL squandered the whole day pushing this logic and nothing else is disturbing. He keeps us the same canned responses when asked about who he would target besides Super, never actually giving a read. On May 07 2015 07:03 sicklucker wrote: stutters or that guy who just made the worst post of all time yosu On May 08 2015 04:28 sicklucker wrote: another 9-1 vote hum le sign those are never good for info. Also its not super I have no read on this person Happens when you don't make them. EoD and N2 are just disgraceful, SL doesn't even make efforts to read the thread and misses key flips and events. Bigun: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2015 04:29 sicklucker wrote: Like the way the votes piled up . This dudes always a town unless the mafia team is super, ritoky and him. Which is acualy a potential team but very unlike;u On May 08 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote: oh i didnt acualy read the thread before i said any of this. Did he botch a claim? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? Legit terrible town play? Mafia trying "too scum to be scum"? D3 SL starts to claim some people town, continues his trend from the ENTIRE game of never really looking for scum. I already did a bunch of reading into his stuff from today in my past few posts so most of my arguments about his D3 are there, but it's really just more of the same. The ONLY hole I see in my entire case I posted here. Feel free to comment. Besides the slew of other disinformation SL has been spouting out this game, some of which I included here, there is one more key thing I would like to make VERY clear. On May 10 2015 18:21 sicklucker wrote: or lazy town. Look we steam rolled mafia. Plenty of people got spewed town by the mafia that flipped. We have 3or 4 lynches left. Theres 8 players. Im pretty sure none of the five I listed are scum. So if we kill the 3 people outside of them. It helps that two of them want to kill me for pretty scummy reasons with bad logic. Im very happy where this game is at. We have 3 lynches left. We are in D3 with 8 people, and unless we catch the last scum we will loose 2 town per day. That leaves us with 6 people going into D4 and 4 people going into D5, I believe you'd call D5 lylo? If by the EoD5 town has not correctly voted the last scum Town looses as the ML drops us to 3 and the NK to 2, Mafia wins. Therefor it is still VERY important that we make sure our last 3 targets count, and the sooner we find scum the better. Can't believe I feel like I have to say that last part. That's likely it from me until EoD (maybe after) thanks to work, Mothers Day and the fact I have now been up all night >.< | ||
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Tictock
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Everything I said is evidence that all you have done this game is given misdirection, lied, and made terrible plays. If that is not the definition of scum play then I clearly walked into the wrong game. I also like how you remind me I'm town every other post, while posting stuff like this. On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: I would acualy rather see yosu dead over ritoky. My logic is if hes town then hes not going to derp away an auto win an dvote me here like the newer players will On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: So thats why im voting him. Think id rather tictoc over yosu but I really dont care | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
didn't turn my computer on yesterday. had an American football tournament (first time I've played competitively in almost 15 years! - holy fuck am I hurting today.) I've also otherwise been about trying to distract myself (no wife or cat at the moment so it's a bit lonely at home). anyway... I appreciate the filter dive on me, but did you look at my filter for EVERYONE for comparison? (Ritoky at one point also noted that I hadn't posted much about my opinion of him changing). Didn't realize I needed to officially state that "stutters isn't answering me he's going red". I like TT's points about SL + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2015 05:25 y0su wrote: Right now I think I'm most willing to vote SL. I'm really disappointed in his d2 content and reasons for voting super. (yes I have super red, but not for the same reasons - I feel like he's doing the most to confuse town) TS could still slip into a tie with prp. However, I'm still sticking to my guns that scum thought HtS was in danger night one (they KNEW there was a vig and might have legitimately feared for HtS). I think they just got lucky/unlucky with RBing super who was shooting at dis instead! | ||
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rsoultin
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VOTE COUNT: y0su (3) : The Shining, Half the Sky, sicklucker sicklucker (1) : Tictock ritoky (1) : Half the Sky (1) : y0su Not voting (2) : ritoky, Superbia The cycle will end at Sunday, May 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), 8.5 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. Currently, y0su is set to be lynched! If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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Half the Sky
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y0su - I called you out for pinning me on night actions. I said before night actions are WIFOM. Meaning you cannot know why night actions happened the way they did unless you are the one coordinating it in the mafia qt. That said, On May 10 2015 22:34 y0su wrote: However, I'm still sticking to my guns that scum thought HtS was in danger night one (they KNEW there was a vig and might have legitimately feared for HtS). I think they just got lucky/unlucky with RBing super who was shooting at dis instead! how in the bloody hell are you speculating on this? I asked you again to state the behavioural reasons for voting me. If others are suspicious on behaviour and I'm suspicious on speculative night actions, what makes the night actions more certain than daytime behaviour? You're aware that scum can kill certain people or RB certain people to make others look bad, right? | ||
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He is NOT coherent as EITHER alignment. He plays very suboptimally as town, which is why he's a policy lynch - his suboptimal play as town benefits his scum games. As town, he's not what you would call a typical town leader. He is generally difficult to read but one of the key differences that I can tell is that his pushes come earlier as town (even if they are soft pushes) and he has a general direction with his scumreads. As scum, he has never PoEed, that I can tell you, and I've been on a scumteam with him - that game (Void) he relied a LOT on other people's misreads of people. He had much LESS direction with his scumreads. If I'm making sense there. At this stage of the game, PoE is a valid method of scumhunting with two members eliminated. We have 2 ML until mylo (mislynch and lose) and sicklucker is still keeping his eyes open. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 10 2015 18:09 Tictock wrote: How is that town logic? Only scum tries to say that we don't have to bother to look for scum anymore. At this stage of the game that's the only thing Town has to NOT do. This is literally my first game ever of Mafia, I'm willing to say that the mechanics you've suggested this entire game are god awful and will never aid town. ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker How do you know this isn't suboptimal town play? I've seen games where town just got lazy and complacent. Namely Newbie LX (where the townies PoEed in lylo) and Guardians bled that everywhere, because people eliminated each other on the night actions. The result was scum getting eliminated from a few people's PoE lists. | ||
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Half the Sky
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If y0su is scum, it basically means scum will have had a very inactive team. If there actually had been an active mafia, it probably is ritoky. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Not sure if ritoky was parroting Superbia's reasons regarding the second wagon, or if he actually suggested that first. Might need to check who presented those ideas. If he stated those ideas first then it's another point in his favour of being town. Also probably should double check what the thread sentiment was like when he started to push Stutters, although I think this is probably the strongest point in his favour. Same with prplhz when he said role or mafia - I was pretty sure by then more people were looking at him. He didn't have to take that route though I'm not sure that he and prplhz played together often besides Titanic. For him to be familiar with him. To be fair when Superbia wanted to push my lynch he told the thread that I was either a PR (power role) or mafia. But he didn't ask me outright (like rit did prplhz) - he just told the thread that. I dunno if that really makes a difference, but if I had to split hairs Superbia just expressed his opinion to the thread and did not ask me to claim. He was the first vote against me anyways, so I think he took the (slightly) more town approach to it. Celestial makes a few good arguments against ritoky taking credit but I have to do serious filter diving to make sure the sequence of events particularly with the thread sentiment and his push on prplhz really lines up that way. Otherwise we really could just be paranoid as shit all when y0su could very well be another gimme mafia. It'd be unusual for a mafia team to play like this (inactive on aggregate), but it has happened. | ||
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y0su didn't appear to have a stance on tictock prior, I don't think. So how does he know that tictock is a good person to sheep (or recognising that someone is townie enough and solid enough to have a case to sheep). (Answer that question if you are here please.) Basically 1 How you are sure Tictock is town 2 How you're sure sicklucker is mafia 3 Why am I more mafia than sicklucker using a behaviour based argument (you currently have your vote on me) | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: So thats why im voting him. Think id rather tictoc over yosu but I really dont care sicklucker, when you return... You have a PoE list of three people. Can you rank them? We're getting closer to EoD. I have seen your reasons for calling each of your three people scum - ritoky, yosu, tictock, but what is the order in which you'd lynch them, and what makes one scummy over another? | ||
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y0su
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I've said a few times I agree with TT's thinking and like him T for it. I'm not sure SL is mafia - as I'm not sure you are. The strongest thing I currently have is the N1 actions. I'm not going to throw away my vote like Scott did and if that means switching to SL I will - because I do support the arguments for it. If I'm dead either way then I'll keep my vote on you just as a reminder to others. | ||
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