On May 10 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote:
Well Your wrong
Well Your wrong
It happens, I can accept that.
I'd rather not accept lazy town play as an excuse, to being wrong.
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
May 10 2015 09:33 GMT
#1901
On May 10 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote: Well Your wrong It happens, I can accept that. I'd rather not accept lazy town play as an excuse, to being wrong. | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
May 10 2015 09:35 GMT
#1902
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
May 10 2015 09:37 GMT
#1903
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
May 10 2015 11:33 GMT
#1904
I think I have a fairly solid case against SL here, and at this point there is little that will change my vote. Fair Warning, I'm going to go a little crazy with quotes. As per usual I'll try to bury reference quotes in spoilers, just be warned there may be a lot in some of them. D1: SL enters the game with a weak town claim off the bat, hidden away in spoilers (ish). Makes a few pokes a people then jumps on scott. On May 03 2015 13:17 sicklucker wrote: ##Vote: scott31337 ya I dont like scotts no reason to vote me vote after he enters the game expecting to "keep an eye on me" This is WELL after -c- makes his open post and starts to focus scott and this is the first time he mentions scott in any post. This is exactly why I called him out for sheeping the vote, to which he tried to claim otherwise (total lies, if you check the thread) + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2015 16:53 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2015 12:12 Tictock wrote: Just realized I left off part of my voting analysis. The voters for scott: -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining, and Stutters695 -Clestial- made a clear case and was following his reads. Obv vote sicklucker ugh, I don't like his vote here seems pretty suspect and at best pure sheep. He mentioned not liking scott right after the initial scott voting (where he started to make himself look scum) fiasco, but here is his EoD stuff related to voting. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote: So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho On May 05 2015 00:52 sicklucker wrote: I can honestly bury him but I dont think its needed and you will all just think im bussing. But I really do think scott has been scum since my third post On May 05 2015 06:53 sicklucker wrote: Pro tips its easy because hes mafia! On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: no ones switching anyway. Boring disformation gives us clear reasons why he votes scott, is not just sheep + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:19 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2015 07:09 Superbia wrote: Thoughts. Right now. Why are people voting scott? What are everyone's thoughts on HtS? Main reason I am on the scott train: Show nested quote + On May 05 2015 00:43 disformation wrote: As what I really disliked: When -c- confronted him about posting misinformation he first is really aggressive: On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote: So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh? And then after he notices that -c- has a solid point on him he suddenly becomes ultra defensive: On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote: You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake. We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you a) That switch puts me off really hard. b) That is a "too scum to be scum, please?" argument, which I am not buying at that point. + I read the case from -c- three times and I found it to be rock solid. HtS: Leaning town on HtS. So she has probably pocketed me already. =p But I thought she was trying hard to make up lost time today. Also a lot of the reads prplhz and rikoty towards her are tone or meta reads that may simply do not function given she didn't have enough time. I'd say to give her at least one day, to see if she will really put out some great reads. Show nested quote + On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote: no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you. Like. I don't even know what this is supposed to be. Half the Sky actually suprised me with fairly weak voting logic, + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2015 07:54 Superbia wrote: HtS why are you voting scott? What did his last post do to your read? What do you think of disformation waffling? Make it short pls. :D My reasons for voting scott were from what I presented before - he didn't even have a read on you before voting him when he first voted me. His claiming VT holds nothing to me. It's NAI - I've seen people do that as both alignments. I questioned him on why he thought disinformation was a better lynch. Waffling and committing to a read though does not look good at all, it is a scumlike behaviour. y0su seemed to be unsure of the case against scott simply because he distrusted -c-, after HtS defended -c- as town y0su dropped the whole thing and sheeped FF RIP good sir The Shining sheeped this one imo. It doesn't seem to me like he thinks scott is scum,+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 04:24 The Shining wrote: Still no Scott defense. Yeah, I could vote him, too. I'm sorry, I definitely avoided this game last night. I was a bit cranky and didn't want to let it get any worse. =/ Super's birthday excuse is valid but it really gives me butterflies that it just happened to excuse him for EoD. While he has a "pressure" vote on SL. How much pressure is pressure if you say it's pressure and then proceed to say you likely won't have a way of backing up your pressure or vote? It's wasted pressure, wasted vote and Scott at the time looked like the wagon that would gain traction. And it has. As for Scott, I agree with the points made against him. And if it were any other player, I'd be worried about no one defending him but if he is in fact scum, it would mean he rolled scum every game he's played here. I could understand the lack of defense, lack of posting, possible lack of motivation as someone who is tired of rolling scum as a newbie. Stutters695 was not very active D1 and was expecting to find him as another sheep, but + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 04:47 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, main reason I'm down for a scott lynch is his read on prpl. He has him as scummy then drops it to null when he still hadn't posted. If anything it should make him scummier. Additionally, leaving me off completely is weird when from someone who doesn't know me, I should be in the same boat as the other lurkers. Not to mention unvoting his scum read and not having anything else in mind before bouncing. As for the oddball votes. I talked about scott's vote on dis in my dis read a few posts ago. The summary was that it didn't look like it held any weight and was just scott throwing his vote on someone. Why he didn't at least put it on HtS near the end is wierd, but I find nothing to suggest that scott has some kinda deep read on dis. Lastly was of course my own vote on prp. Which I've already tried to explain in some detail. My vote was not sheep I was one if not the first to bring him up. He opened with how he wanted to keep an eye on me, then voted me because I didnt post much as my pre game excuse said I would then he said a bunch of other garbage and afked for 24 hours. He had 1 post after that which I called him out as being town but no one was interested in voting hts with 3 votes. Now with a vote on someone who is already under pressure, SL starts to post more casually. He stops quoting people and starts making a lot more spam posts. When called on it, he starts to use his lazy excuse. On May 04 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote: im already doing shit On May 04 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: I did my usual routine of going through the thread and quoting and talking about things that interest me thoughts? On May 04 2015 09:09 sicklucker wrote: conivnce me not to vote whats his face obs guy scott because from my pov and whjat I read he looks pretty bad Notice he still gives no reason why he doesn't like scott. The rest of SL's posts D1 are trash and spam. Makes weak efforts to target people, all without anything backing it up. On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote: So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho Then, 1 hour before EoD (proof) SL does this. On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: no ones switching anyway. Boring Those last 2 posts were literally right at EoD. D2 This is the day SL starts pushing his mechanical plays. He actually starts with an interested play, On May 06 2015 16:49 sicklucker wrote: If im a cop I have a green on hts On May 07 2015 00:34 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2015 20:47 Half the Sky wrote: On May 06 2015 19:28 -Celestial- wrote: On May 06 2015 16:49 sicklucker wrote: If im a cop I have a green on hts Is this a drunken claim? If it is then that simplifies things a bit (though I dunno, game has a Godfather in it...). Although if its supposed to be a more generic statement then I agree that HtS should probably have been the cop check if there was one last night. sicklucker is experienced enough that I wouldn't see him outing or even breadcrumbing a green check on D2 after a ML. There's no motive for him to out, people are calling him for lurking (and I reiterate that again now) but he's not absolute top lynch on people's list atm. There's no pressure and it's early in the day. I would totally do this as the real cop 100% of the time its something I learned on another site. The idea is to fake it x amount that mafia does not believe me. but if I do die in the night and I am the real cop theirs no fighting about who my check is because I left it in the thread. Also if I am faking a check and I die in the night as vt, it means hts is most likely town because mafia would have no reason to kill me if my fake check was on a mafia member. Its a very useful strategy that everyone should use Might have something solid behind it, seems just as misleading to town as it is to mafia to me though. SL's main play D2 is of course his theory regarding Super's RB claim making him scum. On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote: oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia. 50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this This argument is total bull, it would have had us lynching our Vig. The math doesn't hold either. In a game where we have 4 setups, 2 of them with Vet 2 without, there is always a 50% chance that we don't have a Vet regardless of when or how people claim RB. To town with limited information the odds never get better than that, 50% change the claim is valid or invalid. Regardless of the mechanics there the fact that SL squandered the whole day pushing this logic and nothing else is disturbing. He keeps us the same canned responses when asked about who he would target besides Super, never actually giving a read. On May 07 2015 07:03 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2015 04:41 Half the Sky wrote: sicklucker, there are three scum in this game. Let's say Superbia has to replace out. Who will you lynch today? stutters or that guy who just made the worst post of all time yosu On May 08 2015 04:28 sicklucker wrote: another 9-1 vote hum le sign those are never good for info. Also its not super I have no read on this person Happens when you don't make them. EoD and N2 are just disgraceful, SL doesn't even make efforts to read the thread and misses key flips and events. Bigun: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2015 04:29 sicklucker wrote: Like the way the votes piled up . This dudes always a town unless the mafia team is super, ritoky and him. Which is acualy a potential team but very unlike;u On May 08 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2015 02:24 prplhz wrote: oh god dammit sorry guys i'm not DOC i'm COP dunno how my fingers managed to mess that up anyway, i'm cop oh i didnt acualy read the thread before i said any of this. Did he botch a claim? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2015 01:35 disformation wrote: I also gave sicklucker a bunch of town cred for his math theory stuff. Since he genuinely seemed into the idea that there is a vet and stuff. Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? On May 08 2015 04:41 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2015 01:35 disformation wrote: I also gave sicklucker a bunch of town cred for his math theory stuff. Since he genuinely seemed into the idea that there is a vet and stuff. Good so there is a vet. Im usually right on these things. this makes super mafia gg buday whos your partner is it rly ritoky? Legit terrible town play? Mafia trying "too scum to be scum"? D3 SL starts to claim some people town, continues his trend from the ENTIRE game of never really looking for scum. I already did a bunch of reading into his stuff from today in my past few posts so most of my arguments about his D3 are there, but it's really just more of the same. The ONLY hole I see in my entire case I posted here. Feel free to comment. Besides the slew of other disinformation SL has been spouting out this game, some of which I included here, there is one more key thing I would like to make VERY clear. On May 10 2015 18:21 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2015 18:09 Tictock wrote: How is that town logic? Only scum tries to say that we don't have to bother to look for scum anymore. At this stage of the game that's the only thing Town has to NOT do. This is literally my first game ever of Mafia, I'm willing to say that the mechanics you've suggested this entire game are god awful and will never aid town. ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker or lazy town. Look we steam rolled mafia. Plenty of people got spewed town by the mafia that flipped. We have 3or 4 lynches left. Theres 8 players. Im pretty sure none of the five I listed are scum. So if we kill the 3 people outside of them. It helps that two of them want to kill me for pretty scummy reasons with bad logic. Im very happy where this game is at. We have 3 lynches left. We are in D3 with 8 people, and unless we catch the last scum we will loose 2 town per day. That leaves us with 6 people going into D4 and 4 people going into D5, I believe you'd call D5 lylo? If by the EoD5 town has not correctly voted the last scum Town looses as the ML drops us to 3 and the NK to 2, Mafia wins. Therefor it is still VERY important that we make sure our last 3 targets count, and the sooner we find scum the better. Can't believe I feel like I have to say that last part. That's likely it from me until EoD (maybe after) thanks to work, Mothers Day and the fact I have now been up all night >.< | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
May 10 2015 11:43 GMT
#1905
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
May 10 2015 11:44 GMT
#1906
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
May 10 2015 12:20 GMT
#1907
Everything I said is evidence that all you have done this game is given misdirection, lied, and made terrible plays. If that is not the definition of scum play then I clearly walked into the wrong game. I also like how you remind me I'm town every other post, while posting stuff like this. On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: I would acualy rather see yosu dead over ritoky. My logic is if hes town then hes not going to derp away an auto win an dvote me here like the newer players will On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: So thats why im voting him. Think id rather tictoc over yosu but I really dont care | ||
y0su
Finland7871 Posts
May 10 2015 13:34 GMT
#1908
didn't turn my computer on yesterday. had an American football tournament (first time I've played competitively in almost 15 years! - holy fuck am I hurting today.) I've also otherwise been about trying to distract myself (no wife or cat at the moment so it's a bit lonely at home). anyway... I appreciate the filter dive on me, but did you look at my filter for EVERYONE for comparison? (Ritoky at one point also noted that I hadn't posted much about my opinion of him changing). Didn't realize I needed to officially state that "stutters isn't answering me he's going red". I like TT's points about SL + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2015 05:25 y0su wrote: Right now I think I'm most willing to vote SL. I'm really disappointed in his d2 content and reasons for voting super. (yes I have super red, but not for the same reasons - I feel like he's doing the most to confuse town) TS could still slip into a tie with prp. However, I'm still sticking to my guns that scum thought HtS was in danger night one (they KNEW there was a vig and might have legitimately feared for HtS). I think they just got lucky/unlucky with RBing super who was shooting at dis instead! | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15127 Posts
May 10 2015 14:39 GMT
#1909
VOTE COUNT: y0su (3) : The Shining, Half the Sky, sicklucker sicklucker (1) : Tictock ritoky (1) : Half the Sky (1) : y0su Not voting (2) : ritoky, Superbia The cycle will end at Sunday, May 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), 8.5 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. Currently, y0su is set to be lynched! If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 14:43 GMT
#1910
y0su - I called you out for pinning me on night actions. I said before night actions are WIFOM. Meaning you cannot know why night actions happened the way they did unless you are the one coordinating it in the mafia qt. That said, On May 10 2015 22:34 y0su wrote: However, I'm still sticking to my guns that scum thought HtS was in danger night one (they KNEW there was a vig and might have legitimately feared for HtS). I think they just got lucky/unlucky with RBing super who was shooting at dis instead! how in the bloody hell are you speculating on this? I asked you again to state the behavioural reasons for voting me. If others are suspicious on behaviour and I'm suspicious on speculative night actions, what makes the night actions more certain than daytime behaviour? You're aware that scum can kill certain people or RB certain people to make others look bad, right? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 14:46 GMT
#1911
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 14:53 GMT
#1912
He is NOT coherent as EITHER alignment. He plays very suboptimally as town, which is why he's a policy lynch - his suboptimal play as town benefits his scum games. As town, he's not what you would call a typical town leader. He is generally difficult to read but one of the key differences that I can tell is that his pushes come earlier as town (even if they are soft pushes) and he has a general direction with his scumreads. As scum, he has never PoEed, that I can tell you, and I've been on a scumteam with him - that game (Void) he relied a LOT on other people's misreads of people. He had much LESS direction with his scumreads. If I'm making sense there. At this stage of the game, PoE is a valid method of scumhunting with two members eliminated. We have 2 ML until mylo (mislynch and lose) and sicklucker is still keeping his eyes open. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 14:55 GMT
#1913
On May 10 2015 18:09 Tictock wrote: How is that town logic? Only scum tries to say that we don't have to bother to look for scum anymore. At this stage of the game that's the only thing Town has to NOT do. This is literally my first game ever of Mafia, I'm willing to say that the mechanics you've suggested this entire game are god awful and will never aid town. ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker ##Vote: sicklucker How do you know this isn't suboptimal town play? I've seen games where town just got lazy and complacent. Namely Newbie LX (where the townies PoEed in lylo) and Guardians bled that everywhere, because people eliminated each other on the night actions. The result was scum getting eliminated from a few people's PoE lists. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 14:58 GMT
#1914
If y0su is scum, it basically means scum will have had a very inactive team. If there actually had been an active mafia, it probably is ritoky. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 15:14 GMT
#1915
Not sure if ritoky was parroting Superbia's reasons regarding the second wagon, or if he actually suggested that first. Might need to check who presented those ideas. If he stated those ideas first then it's another point in his favour of being town. Also probably should double check what the thread sentiment was like when he started to push Stutters, although I think this is probably the strongest point in his favour. Same with prplhz when he said role or mafia - I was pretty sure by then more people were looking at him. He didn't have to take that route though I'm not sure that he and prplhz played together often besides Titanic. For him to be familiar with him. To be fair when Superbia wanted to push my lynch he told the thread that I was either a PR (power role) or mafia. But he didn't ask me outright (like rit did prplhz) - he just told the thread that. I dunno if that really makes a difference, but if I had to split hairs Superbia just expressed his opinion to the thread and did not ask me to claim. He was the first vote against me anyways, so I think he took the (slightly) more town approach to it. Celestial makes a few good arguments against ritoky taking credit but I have to do serious filter diving to make sure the sequence of events particularly with the thread sentiment and his push on prplhz really lines up that way. Otherwise we really could just be paranoid as shit all when y0su could very well be another gimme mafia. It'd be unusual for a mafia team to play like this (inactive on aggregate), but it has happened. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#1916
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 15:19 GMT
#1917
y0su didn't appear to have a stance on tictock prior, I don't think. So how does he know that tictock is a good person to sheep (or recognising that someone is townie enough and solid enough to have a case to sheep). (Answer that question if you are here please.) Basically 1 How you are sure Tictock is town 2 How you're sure sicklucker is mafia 3 Why am I more mafia than sicklucker using a behaviour based argument (you currently have your vote on me) | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 15:30 GMT
#1918
On May 10 2015 18:14 sicklucker wrote: So thats why im voting him. Think id rather tictoc over yosu but I really dont care sicklucker, when you return... You have a PoE list of three people. Can you rank them? We're getting closer to EoD. I have seen your reasons for calling each of your three people scum - ritoky, yosu, tictock, but what is the order in which you'd lynch them, and what makes one scummy over another? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
May 10 2015 15:30 GMT
#1919
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
May 10 2015 15:31 GMT
#1920
I've said a few times I agree with TT's thinking and like him T for it. I'm not sure SL is mafia - as I'm not sure you are. The strongest thing I currently have is the N1 actions. I'm not going to throw away my vote like Scott did and if that means switching to SL I will - because I do support the arguments for it. If I'm dead either way then I'll keep my vote on you just as a reminder to others. | ||
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