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rsoultin
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okay yeah i do remember that, truffle lol if we can agree to take our time on this and not lynch in the first 24 hours, i'm a little busy right now...my last day in the military is monday and i have some things to wrap up tomorrow as well as schoolwork to get done due at about the same time as deadline -_- then i'll take another good look at the game can we agree to take our time on this? | ||
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hrum anyway i think it's worthwhile to look at the context of that change, truffle, but that's a contradiction in yamato's overall perception of blazinghand's play...which really shouldn't change that much from day-to-day without some sort of catalyst or something o.0 | ||
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On April 24 2015 09:48 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/410972-les-mafia?user=Blazinghand&page=16 had 16 pages of filter as town before he was mislynched yes, blazinghand is capable of astounding uselessness, but he's also capable of that he literally promised activity, and showed effort in the large case, no reason to rush lynching him as mafia, it would have been incredibly easy to just say nothing and have his lynch go through, but whatever gj on the mislynch, folks okay so how does this line up with jumping down artanis' throat for wanting to wait for bh/palmar to pick up? lol as mafia it's just as easy when town is set to mislynch a player to say oh no guys we shouldn't lynch him as well, so take that bs somewhere else | ||
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On April 24 2015 09:57 yamato77 wrote: that was before BH had even played dunno how the two are even comparable tbh okay...so just explain your thought process? if you know he's capable of try-harding with time why is it bad to give him time in the first place? like, even if it's possible for him to be lazy as fuck i don't understand your reaction to artanis wanting to delay the vote so bh and palmar had a chance to do things if you knew bh can do that when he plays | ||
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On April 24 2015 10:10 yamato77 wrote: In the first instance, it's not about BH specifically, it's about the game itself. You must be active with the lynch and try to put pressure on people or it's basically a useless mechanic (IML, that is). Maybe you newbies don't really understand this but I've played a fair amount of IML as both town and mafia so there's that. The point was, why should we specifically wait for BH and Palmar to play if it's possible that they won't play, even as town? It's both a waste of time and suboptimal play. Artanis was using it as a reason to essentially do nothing. The BH mislynch was avoidable, because by that time it was fairly obvious that BH actually was invested in the game at least enough to make that huge damdred case. Say what you want about the quality or accuracy of his read, sure, but it was a lot of effort nonetheless. He even went on to defend it against most people in the thread and was visibly offended by people's disregard for his effort. Essentially, why was it necessary to push the lynch through at that moment in time? Everyone was overly hasty when BH had made it abundantly clear he wouldn't be around to provide more content. Was there some sort of downside to allowing him more time to play? If he's scum and just making excuses as YOUR NARRATIVES SUGGESTED (like how I use that word? yeah it's pretty stupid) he'd just continue to make excuses and not really prove himself town. HOWEVER, I had reason to believe that an invested BH could prove himself town and even suggested such before the deadline, but no one really seemed interested in discussing my meta read of BH so whatever. You call me scum for it now? I laugh in your face. lol considering you've seen the way i treat scumreads, the level of defensiveness here is quite unnecessary, yamato xP mmm i don't know, like i can see what you're saying i guess but my problem with it is there just was no reason to be that nuts about it. if artanis used it as an excuse to do nothing, that didn't mean the rest of us had to, and iml really is not significantly different from any other lynch mechanic when the majority only matters one time every 24 hours -_- like you keep saying we can use it differently than in other games, when the only major difference i actually see is that more town players have to be on a mislynch for it to go through since it's still up against a deadline it's no different than any other pressure voting, except we have some control over the pace of the game | ||
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mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP | ||
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i also think damdred is someone who people need to take another look at...palmar if you could explain your wave read in a way that we could understand and sheep that would be nice, too -_- cause currently i have him as one of my top towns, but i don't really know his play all that well, so if i'm missing something, i need you to point it out to me | ||
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On April 24 2015 10:28 yamato77 wrote: In a regular game, you get 1 lynch every 48 hours. That's it. In terms of pressure voting, you really only get to do that to MAYBE 2 people per day, and that's it. In an IML game, even this style, you still only get 1 lynch every day, but that day can be both ridiculously short OR incredibly long. By balancing the two well, you are able to pressure vote as many people as you feel necessary before you decide on a real lynch, allowing you to force inactive players to play, cause mafia to make mistakes, and force opinions on multiple targets throughout the day. Of course, this requires an organized effort by town. You can't have some people just sitting back and coasting along or your plan really falls to pieces. You also can't have blase lynches where town is apathetic. In that way, both Artanis' proposed play (and even his actual play, given his action around the lynch) AND the BH mislynch were suboptimal. Understandable? My pressure on Artanis was intentional, if a little over-done. You have the power to threaten people with the lynch at basically any time. 24 hours is not a lot of time. I felt like it was being wasted. Unfortunately, I didn't put in enough work to find a viable alternative to the BH mislynch in time, so I'm partially to blame for what happened, but it's just absurd to suggest that I'm mafia for a misinterpreted look into my stance on BH's play and the lynch mechanics overall. okay lol this makes sense >< it does require a good deal of coordination, though | ||
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are you still sick or something? cause dude...you kinda suck this game and i'm not saying it to be mean...having a town damdy in my court is something i'm usually thankful for, and i will lynch you if you keep playing like this, because i simply do not believe you are this bad flat-out do not believe it explain your reads -_- stop playing like palmar. i accept it from palmar cause there's no point trying to work things out of him (i do it anyway lol >< futility is apparently something i haven't learned yet) when he's not interested, but you i don't accept it from you | ||
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since when is truffle like super certain about almost any read as town? lol >< eh, i don't really want to address the truffle stuff. i defended him enough day 1...he can answer to it now. none of these things you bring up about him make anyone mafia, and they especially don't make him mafia, so if y'all lynch him i definitely will not be part of that shit, but he needs to convince you. not me i just...don't think you're invested in this game at all, damdred. you say art isn't helping town...how are you helping town? you did some half-assed stuff near EoD about giving BH more time but didn't put your money where your mouth was, and just in general it's like you left your give-a-shits somewhere else now that the other game has ended, i'll say it: i suspect you rolled scum again and you're just not motivated to play after carrying your team alone for about a week | ||
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On April 24 2015 14:05 Damdred wrote: Well if you think that why not vote me rsoultin? i already said i have things to do and don't want a lynch tomorrow; why would i vote for you? do i need to vote for you now for you to get it through your skull? you're not the one i'd vote presently if i was placing a vote, anyway lol >< the message is simple: if you're town, pick it the hell up. it's not a tall order | ||
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On April 24 2015 14:45 Damdred wrote: Your right in not really invested, and idk what exactly I have to do to prove I'm town. I give thoughts be they right or wrong and the only reason you say half of that is because I got you as scum. lol that's cute xP i had you pegged in the game where you "got me" as scum and derped...that hardly suggests that it's pure paranoia it's not that hard to prove you're town. giving a shit helps. eh, whatever, you know where i stand...that's all the warning i'm going to give, cause i'm not really sure if you're just in a mood or not i'm probably out from now until after the deadline unless y'all get all antsy and crazy and try to push a lynch tomorrow with this little bit of nothing to go on...i'm not really interested in returning to the thread before reviewing everything ciao | ||
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i really need to look at his case closer which means filter-diving yamato with the context which i'm not sure actually happened lol >< the second point is by far the strongest and if any point is correct, it's that one, but i too was pretty satisfied with yamato's answers earlier and also took a look back through his posting before the lynch...it's not really that bad, actually...my only concern really is apparently disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch? On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote: I said it wasn't that bad Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't. I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing. How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read. What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it. ^ this is actually a fairly strong push not to lynch bh, despite not presenting alternatives (though it reads like he just didn't want to lynch anyone at that time) but yeah...that was the last post from him, 40 mins before deadline...which does bother me some i'll admit. so i do really want to recheck the point on artanis being a "scumread" but not pushed as far as truffle is concerned...in all honesty i've talked to him a lot since we first started playing mafia. he's unsure of himself; it's true. he even asked me how to play not that long ago >< when i don't think i'm a great player by any stretch and unqualified to give him that sort of advice. you don't like meta. my reasons for townreading him are tone and meta i'll talk to you about your scumread, point-by-point, and we can approach it that way, but you have to understand that this is a matter of me knowing truffle fairly well. i know how he thinks and approaches things. it is very difficult to put that in a way that people will understand what i see in truffle is a case-building player who is trying to learn how to interact with the thread and other players but doesn't know how, so he's doing it the best way he can...through a case he's not confident of...because when he tried to interact with us through voting and joking around it wasn't received well xP that is what i see. i could be wrong but i highly doubt it | ||
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^^ cause I can yay final out usaf and i have no job to go to woooot so much fun hasta la vista, chump xP | ||
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mmm art i kinda had the same thought earlier this morning but uh...meh anyway try not to lynch anyone -_- the truffle vote is simply wrong, and regardless there's no need to rush -poofs- | ||
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updated reads in the morning xP ciao | ||
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i guess i shouldn't say that lol >< some of you still seem to think lynching truffle is a good idea okay so i'm here and i'm rereading. hit me up if you want anything | ||
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On April 25 2015 23:56 Damdred wrote: You've been a big pita RS. I thought you had me town breshke w.w dude you've been sucking major ass xP - pita!rsoul seriously why would you think anyone would be townreading you at this point? i told you to pick it up if you;re town -_- | ||
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