Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 9

On April 24 2015 09:48 yamato77 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/410972-les-mafia?user=Blazinghand&page=16

had 16 pages of filter as town before he was mislynched

yes, blazinghand is capable of astounding uselessness, but he's also capable of that

he literally promised activity, and showed effort in the large case, no reason to rush lynching him

as mafia, it would have been incredibly easy to just say nothing and have his lynch go through, but whatever

gj on the mislynch, folks

On April 24 2015 09:57 yamato77 wrote:

that was before BH had even played

dunno how the two are even comparable tbh

On April 24 2015 10:10 yamato77 wrote:

In the first instance, it's not about BH specifically, it's about the game itself. You must be active with the lynch and try to put pressure on people or it's basically a useless mechanic (IML, that is). Maybe you newbies don't really understand this but I've played a fair amount of IML as both town and mafia so there's that.

The point was, why should we specifically wait for BH and Palmar to play if it's possible that they won't play, even as town? It's both a waste of time and suboptimal play. Artanis was using it as a reason to essentially do nothing.

The BH mislynch was avoidable, because by that time it was fairly obvious that BH actually was invested in the game at least enough to make that huge damdred case. Say what you want about the quality or accuracy of his read, sure, but it was a lot of effort nonetheless. He even went on to defend it against most people in the thread and was visibly offended by people's disregard for his effort.

Essentially, why was it necessary to push the lynch through at that moment in time? Everyone was overly hasty when BH had made it abundantly clear he wouldn't be around to provide more content. Was there some sort of downside to allowing him more time to play? If he's scum and just making excuses as YOUR NARRATIVES SUGGESTED (like how I use that word? yeah it's pretty stupid) he'd just continue to make excuses and not really prove himself town.

HOWEVER, I had reason to believe that an invested BH could prove himself town and even suggested such before the deadline, but no one really seemed interested in discussing my meta read of BH so whatever. You call me scum for it now? I laugh in your face.

On April 24 2015 10:28 yamato77 wrote:

In a regular game, you get 1 lynch every 48 hours. That's it. In terms of pressure voting, you really only get to do that to MAYBE 2 people per day, and that's it.

In an IML game, even this style, you still only get 1 lynch every day, but that day can be both ridiculously short OR incredibly long. By balancing the two well, you are able to pressure vote as many people as you feel necessary before you decide on a real lynch, allowing you to force inactive players to play, cause mafia to make mistakes, and force opinions on multiple targets throughout the day.

Of course, this requires an organized effort by town. You can't have some people just sitting back and coasting along or your plan really falls to pieces. You also can't have blase lynches where town is apathetic. In that way, both Artanis' proposed play (and even his actual play, given his action around the lynch) AND the BH mislynch were suboptimal.

Understandable? My pressure on Artanis was intentional, if a little over-done. You have the power to threaten people with the lynch at basically any time. 24 hours is not a lot of time. I felt like it was being wasted. Unfortunately, I didn't put in enough work to find a viable alternative to the BH mislynch in time, so I'm partially to blame for what happened, but it's just absurd to suggest that I'm mafia for a misinterpreted look into my stance on BH's play and the lynch mechanics overall.

On April 24 2015 14:05 Damdred wrote:
Well if you think that why not vote me rsoultin?

On April 24 2015 14:45 Damdred wrote:
Your right in not really invested, and idk what exactly I have to do to prove I'm town. I give thoughts be they right or wrong and the only reason you say half of that is because I got you as scum.

On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:

I said it wasn't that bad

Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't.

I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing.

How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read.

What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it.

On April 25 2015 23:56 Damdred wrote:
You've been a big pita RS.

I thought you had me town breshke w.w