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On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long.1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question:My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. | ||
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On April 27 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Why... As of page 39:Trfel New reads lists type deal please. Town rsoultin WaveofShadow Town Lean Damdred Palmar Maybe Scum (filter dives pending) Artanis Breshke yamato77 | ||
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On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time.Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? I don't have a top scumread right now. I removed my scumread on yamato77, but I never decided that he wasn't scum (does that make sense to you?). I found it surprising that right after I left, multiple people posted reasons to scumread yamato77 which I explained in my case on him (apparently, explained very poorly). That makes me slightly more confident in my scumread of him, but it's possible that he always plays in ways that I deem "scummy", because the way he is playing isn't strictly anti-town, its effectiveness depends on how it is done. | ||
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On April 27 2015 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Check my filter?Trfel, can you lay it to me why you think Wave is town? The more specific, the better. I'm not going to dig up quotes at this time, but I felt like he's been playing naturally all game long. He's made several reads that I like, and he's been willing to discuss and move things along. His early argument with yamato77 felt particularly natural and towny. Perhaps he's just very good at being natural and relaxed as mafia, but there were some other specific things that I noticed (I don't remember them any more, they should be in my filter) that make me think that he is town anyway. Plus, I'm noticing a lot of the same things that I noticed when I townread him (correctly) in Aperture 4 (willingness to discuss, some insightful reads, generally liking his comments). | ||
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On April 27 2015 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote: In your earlier posts, before the entire thread (for some reason) decided that you were mafia.How was I willing to discuss anything in Aperture 4? | ||
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On April 27 2015 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Point by point.But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before. + Show Spoiler [Initial case] + On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all. On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier.
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[QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.[/QUOTE] See that's the thing about Palmar. He never seems concerned enough to do anything, ever. If you can somehow tell by meta that this is town/scum Palmar by all means but as far as in-thread confidence goes I still have him at least townier than null.[/QUOTE]I actually disagree. Palmar knows that if all he does is troll, it will be somewhat hard to lynch him. Instead, Palmar started reading the game and making actual cases (cases which I don't think were all that good, but they were definitely serious cases). I don't think that these cases help Palmar at all, in fact they might actually hurt him, I think that really his motivation was to find scum (even if not enough to make him play the game properly). Quick question, his reason to scumread WaveofShadow wasn't the initial reason that he forgot, right? It was a different reason? | ||
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His reason to scumread WaveofShadow (WaveofShadow wasn't interested in his alignment) is actually true. However, I have the impression that WaveofShadow gets angry a lot, so this would be an expected response from WaveofShadow. Regardless of this, it still doesn't make WaveofShadow scum. His scumread on yamato77 (associative bit aside) wasn't bad either. It still doesn't make yamato77 scum, though. I suppose I feel like he did those things at random times. Maybe I'm wrong, and he posted these when he needed to, to survive. Or maybe Artanis is right and he knows what he needs to do to survive, and he posted these to cut off suspicion before it began. | ||
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Specifically, why did people stop scumreading yamato77? | ||
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On April 26 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote: If you didn't explain this already, why did you say this? (if you did, I'll find it eventually, no need to respond, sorry)I was rereading Yamatos filter, and I really really like this post. and exchange | ||
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spoiler explains my vote guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone ml due 2 poe list | ||
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On April 27 2015 09:23 Damdred wrote: Reads that I really, really disagree with.You have 10 sentences to explain why Once I finish catching up and filter dive you, if I decide it's significant, I'll elaborate. Not before then, for obvious reasons. Also, I have a final tomorrow morning, so I may not get to it until after that. | ||
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Guess I need to look at it again later. | ||
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Student Mafia VIII just ended. I can talk about it now. This game was ridiculously depressing. Not only were my reads wrong for basically the entire game, but I managed to irritate most of the people in the game. My efforts to drive discussion and make things happened only led to more people scumreading me, more people getting mad, and fewer people enjoying reading the game. It ended with me being shot by the vigilante on Night 1. Still, I managed to make the game environment miserable and make several townies extremely mad. If people don't want to play with me, then I don't want to play, either. It's not about winning, it's about having fun, and I can't play if that prevents other people from having fun. So in the midst of this, I scumread yamato77, and posted a case containing my reasons. And then everyone starts yelling at me and calling it a miserable case, and calling me mafia for it. A short while later, a bunch of people decide that yamato77 is mafia, for very similar reasons to ones that I mentioned in my case (apparently I said it really poorly). And yamato77 reached four votes, none of them being me. No, I'm not playing my best this game. And I'm sorry for that, you guys deserve me to play at my best, especially with the player quality being so high in this game. But I'm doing what I can, and when it gets ignored like this, I'm not happy. If you're going to scumread me, look at the thoughts I've been putting out first. I'm not one to drive discussion, I've tried to do this many times in the past. It doesn't work out for me, I've lost every single one of the games where I tried to lead discussion, and I was often scumread for doing so. My activity hasn't been very good this game, and for that I'm also sorry. I just ask that people wouldn't ignore me, and actually give my thoughts a fair chance. | ||
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