[T] Hajime no Ippo Maifa

On April 25 2015 03:00 Half the Sky wrote:


Xatalos! Long time! How's life?

On April 26 2015 02:31 Damdred wrote:
honestly I saw xatalos was in and I had to in

On April 26 2015 03:03 Damdred wrote:
You shot me last time so i will tunnel you for the next 5 days

On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.

On April 26 2015 07:04 sandroba wrote:

This has become a trend lately for you afaik. Why do you even sign up for games if you are not going to care? Or do you just feel like you have to say this since you had simillar starts on both your past games as town?

On April 26 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
Hey sand.

And everyone else.

On April 26 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:

You're a setup rigger too?

On April 26 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Xata is scum. Case following soon

On April 26 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
Yes xata failed his will save

On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.

On April 26 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:
Why are you scum reading sandrona?

On April 26 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote:


This is what I'm laughing at.

On April 26 2015 09:35 Rygart wrote:

I still don't get it d

On April 26 2015 12:38 LightningStrike wrote:

Alrighty. I remember you talked something about Xata the last time you two played together can you two read each other like a book?

On December 23 2014 12:04 Damdred wrote:
1) Screw everyone who 100% said "DAMDRED DIED FROM A PRESENT". That was the most horrible thing to say and was quite insulting!

2) I really wish people would of looked at my filter more and caught on especially to the ritoky thing and Xata thing especially with his response on day two onward his play didn't change and he was so mafia.

3) HF shouldn't of lived past d3, that vote d2 just showed how horribly mafia he was haha

4) Town sure did turn that around it was a great job

5) Lian was the town MVP I think

On April 26 2015 19:09 marvellosity wrote:
Well, this is thrilling.

On April 26 2015 15:01 Stutters695 wrote:

It's dumb and anyone could figure out some theory about it based on their starting HP/abilities. I don't think I've played with Sandroba, but I remember hearing he's good at scum. That seems like an unecessary gamble as an intro when the thread is so new.

On April 26 2015 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Chess isn't until tomorrow. And no, nothing is interesting, hence my comment.

On April 26 2015 22:21 Inspector Javert wrote:
Mafia: xata, SL, maybe sandro (less likely cause claimed approx. HP), some lurkers
Town: damdred

On April 26 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote:


no I understand but obviously someone saying "cop don't investigate me" would naturally make the cop interested in said person so why not just act really townie instead.

On April 26 2015 23:20 Koshi wrote:
I like inspector javet.

I would like to think sicklucker is town for that "I didnt read OP yet" line. But maybe not.

Damdred is confirmed town to me.

On April 26 2015 08:38 Koshi wrote:
Damdred is scum. Cba to make case.

3 down.

I deserve sleep now.

On April 26 2015 23:20 Koshi wrote:
I like inspector javet.

I would like to think sicklucker is town for that "I didnt read OP yet" line. But maybe not.

Damdred is confirmed town to me.

On April 27 2015 01:03 Koshi wrote:
Javert is rayn btw

On April 27 2015 01:09 Koshi wrote:

It's because you are mafia.
As if you bothered to think any further than my read on Damdred.

On April 27 2015 01:14 indignant wrote:

You of all people should know which alignment does this more often.

On April 27 2015 01:20 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos totally disappeared know that thread moves forward.

On April 27 2015 01:24 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos is mafia

On April 27 2015 01:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
Xatalos and marvellosity should fight.

On April 27 2015 01:28 marvellosity wrote:
I'm totes up for a vivax lynch

On April 27 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote:
Clearly there are roles that amplify the damage received. The fights are extremely pro scum. They probably can bring townies really low with this mechanic.

On April 27 2015 01:44 Koshi wrote:

How the fuck?

On April 27 2015 01:45 Koshi wrote:

Vote for Koshi.
I am probably unkillable.
If you pledge your vote to me I will not push your lynch today.

On April 27 2015 01:46 Koshi wrote:

No. Never you.

On April 27 2015 01:48 Koshi wrote:

So you refuse my offer?

On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.

On April 26 2015 09:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Not really.

On April 27 2015 02:26 indignant wrote:

I don't think you can infer anything from those posts.

On April 27 2015 02:47 Holyflare wrote:
Sandroba spends a sentence on scum reads and 1000 sentences on setup

On April 27 2015 02:44 sandroba wrote:
erm actually I think I dislike LS the most after reading the interactions over.

On April 27 2015 04:37 marvellosity wrote:

How can my play be lacklustre when I haven't done anything?

Lacklustre = trying to do things but the things are shit

I'm blates town because I'm out of town, have an excuse to be afk forever but I'm randomly in the thread anyway.

On April 27 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh my wagon so gd!

On April 27 2015 07:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
xata your posts are confusing me

On April 27 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote:
Yeah trying to follow that read progression kind of hurt, Xata. I'm like just getting up to speed. I actually liked Sand's posts. Speculating on setup this early is dangerous but it could've just been an attempt at figuring out what to expect from this game. I've been scummed as town for talking setup before so naturally I can see how this is possible.

And its like you want to vote him but you don't. You post why you want to. Then another post of "at least he's active though"... Then vote him anyway. If you're on the fence about him, which it looks like you are, then you're on the fence on your own case. I can't buy into it.

Xatas a slight town lean, though, since you've been "off" on Sand since the beginning. I don't see scum pushing the same lynch this hard, even if you're not fully convinced yourself on it.

On April 27 2015 07:23 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Maybe he is town after all.

On April 27 2015 07:39 indignant wrote:

I understand this sentiment but it's for the wrong reason. The read on you is legit or at least it was a while ago.

On April 27 2015 07:57 indignant wrote:

You obviously didn't even read my post on Breshke. Way to go.

On April 26 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote:


I don't think the question to sandro is a useless one because if he doesnt have a proper explanation i thought it was possible he could be mafia because knowing all the mafias rols would give you a lot more information about what would happen in the night. I have since realised that is probably dumb. You have still never explained how it is obvious how he reached the conclusion that it is 1.5 lynches per night btw.

I understand your reason behind it but i don't think it is a right one. It is like claiming mason some people think that you shouldnt because you are town and just should act town and the cop won't investigate you.

But instead you have basically claimed that a cop investigating you would have bad consequences for the cop which doesn't really seem to be a very town sided role to begin with. Upon that if you were actually town I don't see why you are worried about this in the first place.

On April 27 2015 19:39 Jean Valjean wrote:


It is a play on a common role in mafia games, as well as a reference to the great work from which my name derives.



I understand why you feel this way. But I think it's much more constructive for me to simply progress through the game taking whichever direction I feel like taking, instead of forcing myself to read things I do not believe I'm ready to tackle yet. If nothing else, this townread on Xata, despite not being a lynch candidate, helps people understand my motives. In addition should I not reach any kind of a strong conclusion about someone's alignment being mafia today, I might default back to simply voting alongside the people I think are town, and now that I've explained in short why I trust Xata, I might choose to vote with him.

But we're far away from that part of the day and I have more things I want to read and share before the day is over.

On April 27 2015 19:53 Breshke wrote:


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.




He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional

On April 27 2015 21:19 Inspector Javert wrote:


SL started it, marv ended it.

On April 27 2015 21:30 indignant wrote:

SL would absolutely do that. It is very likely that they would not get along at all if they were on the same scumteam. Still we aren't lynching marv so talking about him is a waste of time.

On April 27 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm home finally!

I got off almost two hours late give me a bit to filter dive. But some prelim things if anyone wants to converse about.

I think Marv is town. Ls is town, xata is town ff is town.

On April 27 2015 22:20 Damdred wrote:
I don't think that disproves what I said however LS.

I might not actually put work in at this juncture honestly, when people are BM for no reason towards me I don't have to do jack shit.

Anyway, any direct questions ask away

On April 27 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:


Could you elaborate on LS being town?

On April 27 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:

I don't comprehend how anyone can be so stupid

As in, I literally need someone to explain it to me, how is is possible

genuine question

open for all offers

On April 27 2015 21:10 Inspector Javert wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to focus on this game until right before deadline.

If anyone wants to focus on anything I've said they should focus on my marv/SL scum reads. I think SL made his team mate marv mad and then their lame fight resulted. I agreed with pretty much everything they said about each other; marv playing with sock puppets fighting himself/SL weak pushing. I think they're the scummiest in the thread.

On April 27 2015 21:19 Inspector Javert wrote:


SL started it, marv ended it.

On April 27 2015 23:22 indignant wrote:

I am down.

On April 27 2015 23:27 indignant wrote:

Can't kill em all!

On March 06 2014 05:29 yamato77 wrote:

Not caught up yet.

Some time before numbers are due I'll read the rest of the thread.

On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.

On April 27 2015 23:49 marvellosity wrote:

yeah I'm too old for my word usage to be the current word usage

On April 28 2015 01:21 indignant wrote:

Why shouldn't we? Better question.

On April 28 2015 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
WARNING SHIT VERSION OF LIST POST INCOMING!!!!!!


townyish

marv - should learn to read
ff - dude is hilarious, liked his posting so far
Xatalos - sheeped the correct read (pending), seems pretty open and inquisitive/carefree + self deprecation about being promoter

probably townyish

indignant - (jat?) doesn't seem like a complete douche and actually pointing out scummy things instead of being hesitant bitch

meehhhbe town?

rygart - seems not so caught up in being all serious, got rid of his smurf indentity quickly,
sicklucker (probably down a tier, not liking his complete focus on being town read based on role when he knows it doesn't clear him ever)
jean val - posted for the sake of posting but was aware of it and actively pointed it out, seemed to just get thoughts out, thoughts weren't totally awful even if no conclusions drawn
sepulchre - (liked his posts against rsoul when he came back but not much to go on so, provisional here but tempted to send up if more like previous posting)
ls - lots of hilarious innocent mistakes like not understanding quips about rsouls gender, not really many afk excuses and not afraid to post his reads (probably up?)
stutters695 - uhhhh, not really sure? :D seems pretty fluid but like nothing super there but somehow still seems bit towny? lol


meh

inspector javert - psycho reads, small list post to start (not much to go on -.-)
rsoul - serious stick up her butt, posting for the sake of posting with no actual relevant content + intentionally antagonising people, free town reads and nothing really more (maybe down, maybe not - wait and see)
koshi - (fuck this guy again) you serious about this game..? stop being such an unnecessary douche
the shining - not really done much of anything, kind of meh meh
obiwanshinobi - not really done anything and after newbie game where he was town and told me he has started caring about games more as town this should probably drop him down a tier
breshke - meh, kind of limited amount of wishy washy posts (not scummy due to ls read which kind of had merit)

scummyish

sandroba - scummy posts, lots of setup talk, one post where he mentions reads in one sentence and then talks more about setup, afking meta, scummy
yamato - usual mafia excuse (potential to change if sticks to what he said)
vivax - really boring, not particularly involved, making useless posts which don't do anything, uneventful
damdred - mediocre, not really trying to do anything, posting for sake of posting and reads seem pretty free/not thought out/hard to do


chezinu

chezinu

On April 28 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
merit to him, as in i can see breshke thinking that from his point of view, not to do with ls' alignment

On April 28 2015 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
lol@xata's sig

On April 28 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:


i don't disagree about what he's said and i can see him thinking that it makes ls scum (dodging questions etc, not showing the meta) but i don't agree that it makes ls scum since i have other things that make me think he's town + i've seen him not provide the games for his meta before and the ignoring thing could just be missing out on the questions

On April 28 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote:
See we have the same idea. If two players are doing the same nothing and are usualy scum when they do nothing. But votes were super easy to get on yamato over sandro. That means sandro is going to be mafia more of the time because there is going to be resistance on getting mafia to vote on mafia

On April 28 2015 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:
I feel quite strongly that Breshke is mafia. The reason isn't really what is in his filter, but rather what isn't there. I am going to try to explain this in detail but it will take some intuition on part of the reader to fully comprehend why I'm going after him.

I want your focus to be this:

Breshke never attempts to lead with his questions and he never offers opinions or insight on situations

Let's just break what he has posted down:



Mechanics discussion with almost no content. While discussing mechanics on it's own isn't scummy at all, it's also not something to townread people for.

After figuring out the mechanics thing that I admit I don't quite understand myself, but I also don't really know how the game works so that's not really an issue. But the point is Breshke did not talk about anything else until this post.



Notice how this is just a straight up question, he doesn't even comment on the other reads, and much less anything else going on in the game. He does not offer any information or insight, preferring to straight up ask the question



This discussion isn't about the game or trying to figure out someone's alignment. This is just a philosophical discussion about how mafia should be played, a fantastic topic if you're mafia as it looks like you're talking about the game but you really aren't. Again notice that at this point in the game I don't think Breshke has given even a single lean on any player in either direction. He has talked plenty, but not about things that are conducive to solving the game.



So when Xata pushes him for exactly what I'm pointing out, he kinda throws out a few reads. Pay special attention to the bolded. What the hell is this? This is not a read any viable human being would make. It's absolutely pointless to talk about whether or not he agrees with Indiginant's play style if he's not going to draw any conclusion from it.

Again, the theme goes on that he does not offer information unless prompted, he doesn't feel any need to share things with the thread unless specifically asked. The one exception is below.



This is his one real read this game. As you all can see it's very flimsy and actually appeals to someone else (Xata) in his explanation. Is LS really someone you would expect to take a strong leadership role when he's town? Is this a viable reason to scumread him? This feels so flimsy that I simply don't believe Breshke believes this.

Also, when pressed on about this read, notice how weak it is really:



Like none of this is strong at all. I'm not saying LS couldn't be mafia, but the reasons Breshke has brought up are absolutely not why if he is. Notice the bolded, it really seems like he could simply go and confirm it if he actually cared about the read.

---

That's really about it for what is in Breshke's filter. I left out him randomly asking me about my experience level and a few other minor things, but I don't think I'm being unfair about my representation of his filter.

I believe I have fully proven that Breshke has almost no reads on anyone this game, and what little reads he does have are extremely weak. In addition all his questioning of random people is usually fairly one-sided, in that he rarely seems to offer to give up any information to his correspondent.

So, I think you cannot argue with my conclusion of what Breshke's filter is. However what is now left is to figure out if all of this actually makes him mafia. I think it does, but I'm more than willing to listen to a different opinion.


##vote Breshke

On April 28 2015 06:14 indignant wrote:

Why are you asking this right now? Why aren't you reading the posts about him? Wtf? Being "meh" is a pretty reliable scumtell for many people btw.

On April 28 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote:
HF you have been pushing a lot of BS this game. That list post is awful and so far you seem the only person that is somehow convinced I am mafia as opposed to most people who are saying "meh he is afk maybe he is mafia". You have been going for easy targets while spamming the thread with one liners and giving out terrible random reads. I believe this man is mafia and we should definetelly lynch him today.

On April 28 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:

WHY DOES HE NEED TO READ THE THREAD WHEN HOLYFLARE HIS READS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD? CAN YOU FUCKING TRY TO READ HOLYFLARE HIS READS?

If you are town. Know nothing and read Holyflare his fucking listpost you still know nothing. Except that HF got "feelings" around some people that are probably 100% fabricated.

On April 28 2015 06:37 indignant wrote:

Why on earth are you constantly talking about Breshke and nothing else? Are you scumbuddies or something?

On April 28 2015 06:53 indignant wrote:

Marv voted yamato for being afk. Yamato isn't afk anymore.

On April 28 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
Sorry for my absence its been one of those days. Anyway i'll go back through the thread and answer anything directed at me, like xatas question about LS.

@Xata, LS is a meta read. He loves to bus and hes super lazy as scum. In a nutshell he is a meta machine as town and can just pull shit out from other games to compare and show people how the read should be different. For instance between LS and marv even though it was subtel where Ls showed how he was wrong about breshkes filter I thought it was insanely towny. hes also done it several other times in the thread not really being lazy. I think hes pretty towny still.

only on page 5x so anything pressing just ask me

On April 28 2015 07:37 indignant wrote:

Wouldn't mind Vivax fighting the inspector or similar exciting shit.

On April 28 2015 07:40 Sepulchre wrote:
I'm fine with fighting, this is what we are here for after all.

Should probably mention that I do bonus damage.

On April 28 2015 07:41 Inspector Javert wrote:


How do recent events make HF scummy at all? He pushed mafia the last half of the day and had his vote stolen from said mafia.

On April 28 2015 19:12 marvellosity wrote:

I know you're modkilled, but how and why are you so shit?

You're so shit I am trashtalking you while you're dead.

You big pile of smelly faeces.

On April 28 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
Be warned, mafia. I know there's probably at least 1 of you who managed to angle yourself well on that lynch.

And given time I WILL FIND YOU AND I WILL KILL YOU

On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?

On April 28 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote:

I would add it wasn't obvious how much his vote would or would not affect the outcome, as votes came in thick and fast. sand was leading the whole way until a quick flurry of yamato votes brought him up level

so i don't know that damdred would know his vote would *largely* increase sand's chances of getting lynched

On April 29 2015 07:45 rsoultin wrote:
in other news, unless a town player RBd me

^^ we should probably kill sepu

-initiating broken record dance-

On April 29 2015 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
sent action to host

On April 29 2015 07:01 Inspector Javert wrote:
No one died are you shitting me?

On April 29 2015 18:27 marvellosity wrote:
I don't really get sicklucker's line of reasoning; Sepulchre has claimed a particular role that does a particular thing (does damage in a fight)

If we find that that's not what happened, then we get a free auto-lynch. So...

On April 29 2015 17:41 Breshke wrote:
Xata am i misunderstanding how these things work or is everyone not some type of role

On April 29 2015 19:54 indignant wrote:

Yeah. Not invested because of being 3p.

On April 30 2015 00:11 Jean Valjean wrote:


At the time I wasn't around to post anything that was of much value and I just got annoyed at that post by rsoultin.

Regarding your suggestion that maybe he's just bad, I still don't quite get why he would in that case say something that's wrong. Even bad players are capable of just pointing out things that are factually correct. I just think it's weird that he wouldn't simply admit to not having a clue if he didn't. Why is he trying to make it look like he has put more effort into the game than he has? That's what is bothering me.

Maybe I was overreacting and I should just stick to Vivax. There really does exist a reason for Vivax being mafia as I explained in my post about his read against me.



Sure but why wouldn't I post in a constructed manner? I think my posts are extremely easy to read and help people process my thoughts in a straightforward manner. Why would I immediately post every thought that comes to me like a blathering monkey instead of presenting the things I have to say in a pleasant and constructed manner?

It's not like using paragraphs makes me mafia, is it?

On April 30 2015 00:35 indignant wrote:
I swear I did not read Xatalos post before I answered.