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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 24 2015 15:53 GMT
#68
/in I guess too... Haven't played Mafia in a while, but I think I should be able to post an acceptable amount in the near future.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 24 2015 18:50 GMT
#74
On April 25 2015 03:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 00:53 Xatalos wrote:
/in I guess too... Haven't played Mafia in a while, but I think I should be able to post an acceptable amount in the near future.


Xatalos! Long time! How's life?


Pretty busy, but nothing all that special. You seem to have been active at TL Mafia
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 13:27 GMT
#89
Haha, just noticed that it's "Maifa". Intentional?

Btw I've been actually reading the manga lately and I'd appreciate if there weren't any heavy spoilers in the flavor.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 17:51 GMT
#100
On April 26 2015 02:31 Damdred wrote:
honestly I saw xatalos was in and I had to in


Welcome, my eternal nemesis
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 18:21 GMT
#103
On April 26 2015 03:03 Damdred wrote:
You shot me last time so i will tunnel you for the next 5 days


Then if I get a bullet, I'll shoot you just so that I don't need to agonize over your alignment. Deal?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:12 GMT
#135
Hello everyone.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:16 GMT
#137
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.



On April 26 2015 07:04 sandroba wrote:
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On April 26 2015 07:02 Koshi wrote:
I dont want to get lynched this game. But I doubt I will care about the game.
We will see how it goes.

This has become a trend lately for you afaik. Why do you even sign up for games if you are not going to care? Or do you just feel like you have to say this since you had simillar starts on both your past games as town?


I can't say I'm a big fan of these opening posts. The feeling you get when someone tries to focus more on how their posts appear rather than what they achieve... That's the gut feeling I get somehow.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:23 GMT
#139
Trying to pocket people already?

That's a quick judgment hahahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:25 GMT
#141
marv+sandroba scumteam seems a bit imbalanced though, to be honest. Unless it's fully random and we just got screwed by RNG.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:27 GMT
#142
On April 26 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
Hey sand.

And everyone else.


I'm "everyone else"? :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:30 GMT
#144
On April 26 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 08:25 Xatalos wrote:
marv+sandroba scumteam seems a bit imbalanced though, to be honest. Unless it's fully random and we just got screwed by RNG.

You're a setup rigger too?


Dunno. I guess it depends on the host? So I can't say I know much about Onegu's hosting style.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:37 GMT
#147
On April 26 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote:
Xata is scum. Case following soon


I await with interest.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:41 GMT
#152
On April 26 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
Yes xata failed his will save


Come again?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:49 GMT
#154
Oh.

Well, I guess that's just null silliness then. I've learned my lesson not to trust my instincts when reading Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 25 2015 23:57 GMT
#157
Objection! I claim the rights to Sheeplefeast for myself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:05 GMT
#160
Relevant:

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:08 GMT
#161
On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.


Any thoughts so far?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:19 GMT
#164
Hm... Hm... Not much to go on yet, I guess.

Except something being off about sandroba...?

Koshi, how did your scumread for sandroba formulate exactly? Even more so for marv and Damdred?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:35 GMT
#175
On April 26 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:
Why are you scum reading sandrona?


You mean me? I don't think I ever said he was scum, just that I disliked his early posts more than anyone else's.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:38 GMT
#178
On April 26 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 09:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
Damdred your case on xata better be based around posts he made before you announced your case on xata


This is what I'm laughing at.


lol

Fecalfeast is going to be waiting for a long time, I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:39 GMT
#180
On April 26 2015 09:35 Rygart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 09:32 Rygart wrote:
On April 26 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:
I'm laughing hysterically at work right now. The line cooks are just looking at me lololol

Hope you share the joke.

I still don't get it d


He already posted the "case"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:44 GMT
#182
That's the joke.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 00:51 GMT
#186
Laughter analysis is the new meta
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 08:52 GMT
#223
On April 26 2015 12:38 LightningStrike wrote:
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On April 26 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote:
I have a light tone read on him. But besides that not much else, I think he might be maybe town but I'm not so sure yet

Alrighty. I remember you talked something about Xata the last time you two played together can you two read each other like a book?


To be honest I'd say I have a weak townread on Damdred right now. I've kind of liked his stunts and (somewhat genuine-looking) active evaluation of the thread.

About the "read each other like a book" part... Well... I don't think we have such a successful history in reading each other

(Although I killed Damdred last time as Maifa because he said something pretty important about my playstyle that would probably have gotten me caught eventually.)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 08:55 GMT
#224
This is still funny

On December 23 2014 12:04 Damdred wrote:
1) Screw everyone who 100% said "DAMDRED DIED FROM A PRESENT". That was the most horrible thing to say and was quite insulting!

2) I really wish people would of looked at my filter more and caught on especially to the ritoky thing and Xata thing especially with his response on day two onward his play didn't change and he was so mafia.

3) HF shouldn't of lived past d3, that vote d2 just showed how horribly mafia he was haha

4) Town sure did turn that around it was a great job

5) Lian was the town MVP I think

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 08:58 GMT
#225
On April 26 2015 11:03 Chezinu wrote:
##Punch Damdred


This might actually be some sort of a legit day action though.... I kind of dislike people using these ## characters as a joke since it gives people the chance to disguise real day actions. From now on use just the bold tags or something, please?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 10:18 GMT
#227
On April 26 2015 19:09 marvellosity wrote:
Well, this is thrilling.


Did you look at the thread yet in between your chess practice? Anything of note?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 10:22 GMT
#228
On April 26 2015 15:01 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 14:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
All the heat on sandroba is because of the post about HP and damage?

It's dumb and anyone could figure out some theory about it based on their starting HP/abilities. I don't think I've played with Sandroba, but I remember hearing he's good at scum. That seems like an unecessary gamble as an intro when the thread is so new.



Hmm... Gamble? I don't think that's a very risky thing to say?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 10:25 GMT
#230
On April 26 2015 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Chess isn't until tomorrow. And no, nothing is interesting, hence my comment.


Hence "practice" instead of "match"

Do you consider sandroba's entrance as completely null then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 13:53 GMT
#249
On April 26 2015 22:21 Inspector Javert wrote:
Mafia: xata, SL, maybe sandro (less likely cause claimed approx. HP), some lurkers
Town: damdred


I'm interested to hear the reasoning behind these. I don't really like people giving a random list and leaving.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 13:57 GMT
#251
I don't necessarily mind people WIFOMing about roles. It's pretty annoying for Maifa trying to deduce what's actually going on with the roles then. Especially since this is themed it's kind of a nice advantage to have Maifa almost equally in the dark.

Btw Slam = Alakaslam
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 13:59 GMT
#252
On April 26 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 22:45 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 21:30 indignant wrote:
By the way, if there is a cop in this game: Don't ever check me.


Why not just be really townie instead of saying something that would probably make the cop more interested in you.

I am not allowed to explain this in detail but I am sure you have a brain and can figure it out yourself.


no I understand but obviously someone saying "cop don't investigate me" would naturally make the cop interested in said person so why not just act really townie instead.


You might want to consider the possible roles and which role could want to say that. Naturally it could also be scum trying to imitate that role so it doesn't tell much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:06 GMT
#254
Breshke: It really is a pretty pointless discussion. Instead could you say if you have actual reads so far?

I'm not sure how the "you are right somehow" is scummy... Since basically any alignment could be correct on mechanics speculation so there doesn't seem to be any "scumslip" like Breshke knowing him to be town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:24 GMT
#258
Well, we'll see when he (Javert) returns.

More on the previous statement: let's assume that there's a player A (town) and a player B (scum). Player A wonders about player B's mechanics talk but comes to the conclusion that he may just be right based on his superior experience. I don't really see how this implies that player A has player B as town? Since after all, it would be the easiest possible topic for player B (scum) to say something correct / good-looking, Mechanics / setup talk, that is. Saying something correct about the setup shouldn't give much credit so there's no reason to assume that player A considers player B as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:24 GMT
#259
*player B as town
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:26 GMT
#260
On April 26 2015 23:20 Koshi wrote:
I like inspector javet.

I would like to think sicklucker is town for that "I didnt read OP yet" line. But maybe not.

Damdred is confirmed town to me.


What did you like about him exactly if you disagree with his reads and the list is the only thing he gave so far?

While at it, could you explain your own reads as well...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:26 GMT
#261
On April 26 2015 08:38 Koshi wrote:
Damdred is scum. Cba to make case.

3 down.

I deserve sleep now.



On April 26 2015 23:20 Koshi wrote:
I like inspector javet.

I would like to think sicklucker is town for that "I didnt read OP yet" line. But maybe not.

Damdred is confirmed town to me.


>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:53 GMT
#264
I'd rather like you to explains how he goes from confirmed scum to confirmed scum based on a couple of posts that are decent but nothing that confirm his alignment or even make it strongly clear. I'd like to have explanations for both reads actually.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 14:54 GMT
#265
*confirmed scum to confirmed town
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 15:16 GMT
#268
Your initial reads were indeed retarded, but that doesn't make your current reads any less retarded. I'm not Maifa and you still haven't explained how Damdred is confirmed town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:03 GMT
#293
marv: I'm curious to hear why Koshi is the towniest town so far? His blatant carelessness?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:04 GMT
#295
On April 27 2015 01:03 Koshi wrote:
Javert is rayn btw


Really? Speculation or fact?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:07 GMT
#303
Hm... Maybe so. It's just hard to get a coherent picture of his thoughts :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:13 GMT
#315
On April 27 2015 01:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 01:07 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... Maybe so. It's just hard to get a coherent picture of his thoughts :/

It's because you are mafia.
As if you bothered to think any further than my read on Damdred.


It's more about the fact that you form and change your reads wildly and without any kind of basis. Maybe it all makes sense to you in your head, but it sure doesn't make sense to me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:15 GMT
#322
On April 27 2015 01:14 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
On April 27 2015 01:09 Koshi wrote:
On April 27 2015 01:07 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... Maybe so. It's just hard to get a coherent picture of his thoughts :/

It's because you are mafia.
As if you bothered to think any further than my read on Damdred.


It's more about the fact that you form and change your reads wildly and without any kind of basis
. Maybe it all makes sense to you in your head, but it sure doesn't make sense to me.

You of all people should know which alignment does this more often.


I never said it makes him scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:16 GMT
#323
"You of all people"? Hm.... Seems you know me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:20 GMT
#330
Looks like this game is full of smurfs.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:22 GMT
#338
On April 27 2015 01:20 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos totally disappeared know that thread moves forward.


Who's not reading the thread?

I'd still like to know where rayn was revealed btw. Can't be bothered to reread the thread just for that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:26 GMT
#344
On April 27 2015 01:24 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos is mafia


That's convincing.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:31 GMT
#352
On April 27 2015 01:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
Xatalos and marvellosity should fight.


Fight marvellosity
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:32 GMT
#355
I thought that was a breadcrumb at first but apparently not:

"Each night you must vote for a Fight Promoter. If the fight Promoter is knocked out the night he is elected then no fight is made."
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:38 GMT
#358
On April 27 2015 01:28 marvellosity wrote:
I'm totes up for a vivax lynch


I guess it wouldn't be the worst lynch.

What would you make of his meta? I think he was pretty apathetic as scum before but I can't remember what his town play was like.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 26 2015 16:42 GMT
#361
On April 27 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote:
Clearly there are roles that amplify the damage received. The fights are extremely pro scum. They probably can bring townies really low with this mechanic.


Not really if the fight is between 2 likely scum though, for example. Or even 1 town and 1 scum. In some ways that might even be more useful for information and stuff.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 26 2015 16:44 GMT
#362
Looks like you can't vote for yourself. Too bad. Then I guess we should just elect someone who's likely town and likely to pick good targets, but not too likely to die.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:44 GMT
#364
Well, I think I'd be a decent promoter. But we'll see.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:45 GMT
#365
On April 27 2015 01:44 Koshi wrote:
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On April 27 2015 01:42 Xatalos wrote:
On April 27 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote:
Clearly there are roles that amplify the damage received. The fights are extremely pro scum. They probably can bring townies really low with this mechanic.


Not really if the fight is between 2 likely scum though, for example. Or even 1 town and 1 scum. In some ways that might even be more useful for information and stuff.

How the fuck?


Hm?
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:47 GMT
#368
On April 27 2015 01:45 Koshi wrote:
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On April 27 2015 01:44 Xatalos wrote:
Looks like you can't vote for yourself. Too bad. Then I guess we should just elect someone who's likely town and likely to pick good targets, but not too likely to die.

Vote for Koshi.
I am probably unkillable.
If you pledge your vote to me I will not push your lynch today.


It's not like your vote threatens me in any way.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:48 GMT
#369
On April 27 2015 01:46 Koshi wrote:
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On April 27 2015 01:44 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I think I'd be a decent promoter. But we'll see.

No. Never you.


1) Town
2) Sensible
3) Not too likely to die

What's not to like?
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:51 GMT
#371
On April 27 2015 01:48 Koshi wrote:
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On April 27 2015 01:47 Xatalos wrote:
On April 27 2015 01:45 Koshi wrote:
On April 27 2015 01:44 Xatalos wrote:
Looks like you can't vote for yourself. Too bad. Then I guess we should just elect someone who's likely town and likely to pick good targets, but not too likely to die.

Vote for Koshi.
I am probably unkillable.
If you pledge your vote to me I will not push your lynch today.


It's not like your vote threatens me in any way.

So you refuse my offer?


I'll consider it if you pick sensible targets and announce them beforehand.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:52 GMT
#372
Is your plan to let me die fighting tomorrow or something? Hahahahaha
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:55 GMT
#376
Unfortunately I think it's somewhat likely that you would put me to fight so I can't say that you're my first choice of vote right now. Sorry.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 16:56 GMT
#378
Totes
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:01 GMT
#382
#StuttersForPromoter
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April 26 2015 17:04 GMT
#386
Way to go and strike fear into the hearts of the Maifa.

I hope we all have some sort of powers to punch them back.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:08 GMT
#390
I wonder if the Maifa are actually just lurking or something....
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:11 GMT
#392
Way to go.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:14 GMT
#395
Out of the lurkers, OWS doesn't seem all that bad. His posts are a bit too... Blatantly unproductive? For being scum so far.

On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.


On April 26 2015 09:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On April 26 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:
On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.


Any thoughts so far?


Not really.


I guess.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:26 GMT
#404
The fate of Maifa:

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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:28 GMT
#405
Sigh. There's still no satisfying lynch in sight.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:30 GMT
#408
I hope this isn't like a conversion game or something.

Probably not.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:39 GMT
#415
On April 27 2015 02:26 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 02:14 Xatalos wrote:
Out of the lurkers, OWS doesn't seem all that bad. His posts are a bit too... Blatantly unproductive? For being scum so far.

On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.


On April 26 2015 09:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 26 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:
On April 26 2015 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I decided to be a part of this game.

Hello.


Any thoughts so far?


Not really.


I guess.

I don't think you can infer anything from those posts.


Dunno. My gut feeling is that it's a bit ballsy for scum to just say stuff like "hello", "nothing to say bye". There's usually at least slightly more effort. Some sort of pretended message. At least setup / off-topic talk. Something.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:48 GMT
#427
On April 27 2015 02:47 Holyflare wrote:
Sandroba spends a sentence on scum reads and 1000 sentences on setup


Hahahahahaha
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 17:56 GMT
#431
On April 27 2015 02:44 sandroba wrote:
erm actually I think I dislike LS the most after reading the interactions over.


Could you elaborate a little please
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 19:49 GMT
#483
On April 27 2015 04:37 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 27 2015 04:16 indignant wrote:
There is a chance of like 0.1 % that I am lynching marv today. The dude said that he will basically be away until deadline before the game started.
Was his play so far lackluster? Hell yeah, it certainly was. But I am not willing to waste day1 on someone who won't even be here to defend himself especially if it is someone who is very good at not being mislynched. If he continues to be lackluster on day2 then by all means lynch him or make him fight to the death with some other scummy dude.

How can my play be lacklustre when I haven't done anything?

Lacklustre = trying to do things but the things are shit

I'm blates town because I'm out of town, have an excuse to be afk forever but I'm randomly in the thread anyway.


Wow marv. Such a slip.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:03 GMT
#523
sandroba seems like a much better lynch than marv out of the (somewhat) active posters. He's been far less involved in the discussion and more like... dropping some setup speculation at specific points.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:05 GMT
#524
At least he's active though... I'm thinking that it might be more useful to lynch someone like Vivax who doesn't seem like a potential asset....
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:07 GMT
#525
##Vote sandroba
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:08 GMT
#527
I'd say sandroba is a slight scum lean and Vivax is pretty much null, but anti-town.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:09 GMT
#529
On April 27 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh my wagon so gd!


It's time for a WAGON OF JUSTICE.

(old meme or something)
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:09 GMT
#530
On April 27 2015 07:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
xata your posts are confusing me


hm?
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:13 GMT
#533
You can change votes you know. It's a declaration of intent.

Nobody else really caught my eye besides doing a policy lynch so far.
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April 26 2015 22:22 GMT
#538
Talking about me, Koshi.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:23 GMT
#541
On April 27 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote:
Yeah trying to follow that read progression kind of hurt, Xata. I'm like just getting up to speed. I actually liked Sand's posts. Speculating on setup this early is dangerous but it could've just been an attempt at figuring out what to expect from this game. I've been scummed as town for talking setup before so naturally I can see how this is possible.

And its like you want to vote him but you don't. You post why you want to. Then another post of "at least he's active though"... Then vote him anyway. If you're on the fence about him, which it looks like you are, then you're on the fence on your own case. I can't buy into it.

Xatas a slight town lean, though, since you've been "off" on Sand since the beginning. I don't see scum pushing the same lynch this hard, even if you're not fully convinced yourself on it.


Eh... It's more about his detachment from active topics and kind of "doing his own thing" (setup mostly) when the thread is moving. Kind of like the feeling that he's posting something to have posted something and not actively following.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:25 GMT
#542
On April 27 2015 07:23 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Maybe he is town after all.


Who?
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:27 GMT
#544
Oh.

I might as well give up on trying to understand Koshi.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:55 GMT
#552
I'm not really convinced on the Breshke wagon.

1) "Pretty meh posts" applies to most players so far. He doesn't even have the most "meh" posts.
2) As I said before, it's not like him assuming that a more experienced player would be more likely correct on setup speculation implies that he reads said player as town. It's not hard to fake correct reads as scum, and it's even easier (and profitable) for scum to fake correct setup speculation. I just don't see how a player being correct on some setup thing makes him towny or why Breshke should think so.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 22:59 GMT
#557
On April 27 2015 07:39 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
Oh.

I might as well give up on trying to understand Koshi.

I understand this sentiment but it's for the wrong reason. The read on you is legit or at least it was a while ago.


His scumread was legit and townread isn't? I'd say none of his reads make much sense yet. He's just almost saying random reads as far as I can see.
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April 26 2015 23:02 GMT
#561
On April 27 2015 07:57 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really convinced on the Breshke wagon.

1) "Pretty meh posts" applies to most players so far. He doesn't even have the most "meh" posts.
2) As I said before, it's not like him assuming that a more experienced player would be more likely correct on setup speculation implies that he reads said player as town. It's not hard to fake correct reads as scum, and it's even easier (and profitable) for scum to fake correct setup speculation. I just don't see how a player being correct on some setup thing makes him towny or why Breshke should think so.

You obviously didn't even read my post on Breshke. Way to go.


I guess there is the point of him not focusing on anything useful.... *shrug* It's just that neither have most others. And to the last point I already answered with point 2.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:15 GMT
#572
On April 26 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2015 22:59 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:45 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 21:30 indignant wrote:
By the way, if there is a cop in this game: Don't ever check me.


Why not just be really townie instead of saying something that would probably make the cop more interested in you.

I am not allowed to explain this in detail but I am sure you have a brain and can figure it out yourself.


no I understand but obviously someone saying "cop don't investigate me" would naturally make the cop interested in said person so why not just act really townie instead.

If you understand then what's the point of this interrogation?

A) You ask sandro a useless question.
B) You ask me a useless question.
C) You keep the useless questioning up even though you claim to understand why I said what I said.

It feels very much like you are just posting to be posting.


I don't think the question to sandro is a useless one because if he doesnt have a proper explanation i thought it was possible he could be mafia because knowing all the mafias rols would give you a lot more information about what would happen in the night. I have since realised that is probably dumb. You have still never explained how it is obvious how he reached the conclusion that it is 1.5 lynches per night btw.

I understand your reason behind it but i don't think it is a right one. It is like claiming mason some people think that you shouldnt because you are town and just should act town and the cop won't investigate you.

But instead you have basically claimed that a cop investigating you would have bad consequences for the cop which doesn't really seem to be a very town sided role to begin with. Upon that if you were actually town I don't see why you are worried about this in the first place.


Well, it's not like probably correct -> 100% correct. I don't really see the scummy motivation for asking a question where there's a chance of a slip or something. Whatever. I don't think it's anywhere near textbook scum to even make weird/questionable plays in the first place.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:19 GMT
#581
I think marv said something like that he tries to play similarly as town/scum whenever possible but he pushes weak "scum"reads more easily as scum. So I'd say it's actually a townie point for him to be indecisive still. Probably.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:21 GMT
#583
why not
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:24 GMT
#588
rofl

fittle
a girl/guy who likes way too many guys at once and messes with each one's head
you - "oh my god i like (whoever's name) so much!"
me - "i thought you liked (whoever's name)"
you - "i do, but not just him! i like other people too!"
me "you're sucha fittle"
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:30 GMT
#597
I hope we get a game where someone has a "tedious gun". If he and the host agree on someone being tedious, the bullet can be used.
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Xatalos
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April 26 2015 23:31 GMT
#600
Good night
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 10:20 GMT
#813
Jean: I don't entirely agree with your take on sandroba's opening posts. Maybe it's more of a tone/feel thing. I didn't get the feeling that he tried to "take leadership", more like... post something relatively decent-looking that still didn't do anything?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 10:41 GMT
#821
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 27 2015 10:47 GMT
#823
On April 27 2015 19:39 Jean Valjean wrote:
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On April 27 2015 19:27 Breshke wrote:
I don't get why jean started the post with you should listen to me then went onto say that sandroba might probably maybe idk not sure be mafia


It is a play on a common role in mafia games, as well as a reference to the great work from which my name derives.

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On April 27 2015 19:33 indignant wrote:
On April 27 2015 19:29 Jean Valjean wrote:
I don't believe there is ever such a thing as a concrete mafia read. In fact if you allow yourself to remove any hint of doubt or skepticism about your own thoughts, you're setting yourself up to fail.

I believe I had a significant conclusion, and I believe it also helps the rest of the players understand my motives better even if my conclusion isn't any kind of a solid read one direction or the other. It's much more important that everyone understands why I think what I think, rather than just what I think. I tried as best as I can to explain my thought process in forming this read. I think a conclusion like this is just as valuable to town as a strong town lean or strong scum lean.

I think I just found sandroba, and the reaction he created in the game, interesting.

But I can throw down much more concrete reads too, it's just that they're less interesting. Here is one that I feel okay about. I think Xatalos is town. I've thought he was town from the moment he called sandroba out for his opening posts because I just don't think mafia would target posts that almost specifically are made to look good, irrelevant of what I thought of sandroba at the time.

Then I quickly read through his filter in the past 20 minutes, and although it wasn't a deep dive, I believe most of his posts don't look forced or deceptive. I don't trust tonal reads as much as I do more concrete things, but I believe they are a helpful tool, and in this case I sort of confirmed my belief that Xata is unlikely to be mafia this game.

So yeah, I don't see myself supporting a lynch against him today.

That's cool and all. But Xatalos wasn't really a lynch target anyways. Don't get me wrong - every read you give will be appreciated but reads on actual lynch candidates are more important. Like SL or Breshke for example.


I understand why you feel this way. But I think it's much more constructive for me to simply progress through the game taking whichever direction I feel like taking, instead of forcing myself to read things I do not believe I'm ready to tackle yet. If nothing else, this townread on Xata, despite not being a lynch candidate, helps people understand my motives. In addition should I not reach any kind of a strong conclusion about someone's alignment being mafia today, I might default back to simply voting alongside the people I think are town, and now that I've explained in short why I trust Xata, I might choose to vote with him.

But we're far away from that part of the day and I have more things I want to read and share before the day is over.


Oh, a potential sheep acquired?

Seriously though I don't dislike the back-and-forth thought process there. I often have the same fault of being a bit *too* (?) transparent. It may be confusing at times but it's also extremely risky to do as scum (more chances of contradictions etc.) so it's a townie leaning thing IMO.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 11:06 GMT
#825
sicklucker... I have do admit I laughed at the "weak pussy plays" argument. It really was a weak backtrack though. Suddenly it was just some pressure to get marv playing or something? Quite possible it could be to save himself from the consequences of his failed push instead.

And if he did something similar as scum before too... Then again, that would almost seem like digging his own grave...
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April 27 2015 11:09 GMT
#826
And the inconsistent push too...

I guess I wouldn't mind lynching him.

So basically sand/SL/LS in consideration atm
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April 27 2015 11:15 GMT
#827
On April 27 2015 19:53 Breshke wrote:
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On April 27 2015 19:41 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.

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On April 27 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here + Show Spoiler +
Dig won 3-2 vs Fusion and retains their NA LCS spot :O
I still not liking Breshke and Inspector Javert but I think Breshke is more likely scum than Inspector Javert since Breshke posts were pretty meh even on his large post it was very meh stuff.
##Vote: Breshke

OK so you say breshke is more likely scum than IJ but why is he more likely scum than anyone else in the game? Do you have no comment on anything anyone else has said?

I was agreeing alot with JAT post on Breshke and Breshke's large post wasn't good it was just a whole bunch of nothing when I had read it.



He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional


His main contributions seem to be a listpost and a weak push with no real involvement... So it's not too good.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 27 2015 11:34 GMT
#837
Javert trolling?
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April 27 2015 11:36 GMT
#838
Btw this page is the meaning of life.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 11:36 GMT
#839
Then I guess it's to troll and play Mafia at work by any means.
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April 27 2015 12:13 GMT
#842
Hmm.... That'd be quite a meta play. I remember marv saying that it's retarded to bus on D1.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 12:18 GMT
#844
I'd think you would want to lynch SL first if they're both scum? Why marv first?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 12:27 GMT
#846
On April 27 2015 21:19 Inspector Javert wrote:
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On April 27 2015 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm.... That'd be quite a meta play. I remember marv saying that it's retarded to bus on D1.


SL started it, marv ended it.


You mean marv told him to backtrack in scumQT? Haha

I somehow doubt marv would approve of the plan in the first place, though. Or that SL would just go at marv without saying anything in advance.

And in any case we should lynch SL first then.
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April 27 2015 12:55 GMT
#853
On April 27 2015 21:30 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 21:27 Xatalos wrote:
On April 27 2015 21:19 Inspector Javert wrote:
On April 27 2015 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm.... That'd be quite a meta play. I remember marv saying that it's retarded to bus on D1.


SL started it, marv ended it.


You mean marv told him to backtrack in scumQT? Haha

I somehow doubt marv would approve of the plan in the first place, though. Or that SL would just go at marv without saying anything in advance.

And in any case we should lynch SL first then.

SL would absolutely do that. It is very likely that they would not get along at all if they were on the same scumteam. Still we aren't lynching marv so talking about him is a waste of time.


Well this is going to be an easy game if the scum hate each other :D
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April 27 2015 12:57 GMT
#854
On April 27 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm home finally!

I got off almost two hours late give me a bit to filter dive. But some prelim things if anyone wants to converse about.

I think Marv is town. Ls is town, xata is town ff is town.



Could you elaborate on LS being town?
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April 27 2015 13:55 GMT
#873
On April 27 2015 22:20 Damdred wrote:
I don't think that disproves what I said however LS.

I might not actually put work in at this juncture honestly, when people are BM for no reason towards me I don't have to do jack shit.

Anyway, any direct questions ask away



On April 27 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:
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On April 27 2015 11:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm home finally!

I got off almost two hours late give me a bit to filter dive. But some prelim things if anyone wants to converse about.

I think Marv is town. Ls is town, xata is town ff is town.



Could you elaborate on LS being town?

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April 27 2015 13:59 GMT
#875
On April 27 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 27 2015 20:18 Inspector Javert wrote:
2/3 are mafia probably: SL, marv, xata

I think SL/marv is the most likely pair. LS and sandroba have each said at least 1 thing I thought made them town.

I don't comprehend how anyone can be so stupid

As in, I literally need someone to explain it to me, how is is possible

genuine question

open for all offers


I thought he was trolling at first but you should read his conspiracy theory about you and SL. It's not totally impossible.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 14:02 GMT
#881
Here it is:

On April 27 2015 21:10 Inspector Javert wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to focus on this game until right before deadline.

If anyone wants to focus on anything I've said they should focus on my marv/SL scum reads. I think SL made his team mate marv mad and then their lame fight resulted. I agreed with pretty much everything they said about each other; marv playing with sock puppets fighting himself/SL weak pushing. I think they're the scummiest in the thread.



On April 27 2015 21:19 Inspector Javert wrote:
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On April 27 2015 21:13 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm.... That'd be quite a meta play. I remember marv saying that it's retarded to bus on D1.


SL started it, marv ended it.

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April 27 2015 14:14 GMT
#889
I guess last-minute shenanigans could be fun. They seem to hit scum surprisingly often.
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April 27 2015 14:25 GMT
#900
I'd like to see Damdred's explanations for his reads, yes. Specifically LS.
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April 27 2015 14:26 GMT
#901
On April 27 2015 23:22 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
On April 26 2015 15:19 yamato77 wrote:
hello players of the game of mafia

I will invest more time into this game once things actually start rolling

my recent attempts at forcing early action have failed amazingly

the latter half of this cycle will be a better time for me to play anyway

see you all then.

Let's make sure we hold yamato to this, shall we?

I am down.


I hope his "latter half" doesn't mean 10 minutes before the deadline.
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April 27 2015 14:27 GMT
#904
It seems Koshi is a new adjective now
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April 27 2015 14:28 GMT
#906
On April 27 2015 23:27 indignant wrote:
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On April 27 2015 23:27 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm down, but why Yamato specifically over the other like 6 people who have said similar things?

Can't kill em all!


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April 27 2015 14:41 GMT
#925
Yeah yamato is usually lazier / more useless as scum. And actually he did promise to play in the PYP game as scum but never really did... This is a good summary of his play there:

On March 06 2014 05:29 yamato77 wrote:
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On March 06 2014 05:14 prplhz wrote:
Hi. yamato i really want to know what you think about me

Not caught up yet.

Some time before numbers are due I'll read the rest of the thread.


On March 07 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
I don't have the motivation to not get lynched this game.

Whatever.

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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 14:48 GMT
#931
gash
A british slang term very commonly used (especially in London or at least the more urban areas of london like south east) to mean a girl/female/woman. Mostly used by rudey boys, "gangstas" and chavs.
e.g DER WERE BARE GASH AT DAT SKOOL = There were lots of girls at that school.
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April 27 2015 14:49 GMT
#937
On April 27 2015 23:49 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 27 2015 23:48 Xatalos wrote:
gash
A british slang term very commonly used (especially in London or at least the more urban areas of london like south east) to mean a girl/female/woman. Mostly used by rudey boys, "gangstas" and chavs.
e.g DER WERE BARE GASH AT DAT SKOOL = There were lots of girls at that school.

yeah I'm too old for my word usage to be the current word usage


I thought you were a gangsta.
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April 27 2015 15:16 GMT
#969
Lol
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April 27 2015 16:17 GMT
#1073
SL: As I understand it, you and Chezinu have basically claimed that you're Masoned without knowing each other's alignments. How does that make Chezinu your strongest townread?

I guess SL might not be the best lynch for now though. Let's see what happens with the presents.
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April 27 2015 16:22 GMT
#1078
I guess sandroba/yamato/LS would be decent options atm. Maybe Damdred... It's a bit disturbing that he's just made weird read lists without really explaining anything. Vivax is apparently now here so I hope he does stuff. Apathy was his scum trademark as I remember it.
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April 27 2015 16:25 GMT
#1081
On April 28 2015 01:21 indignant wrote:
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On April 28 2015 01:21 rsoultin wrote:
um o.0 why are people lynching breshke? lol (the amazing rso is actually reading now xP)

Why shouldn't we? Better question.


I don't think the reasons for lynching him are very good so far. Convince me?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 16:37 GMT
#1100
Hm... It's too bad I'm not that far in the manga yet.

In any case I agree that Ippo and his company are most likely town. I'm not completely sure what the scum characters would be or if there could be a traitor or something in the Gym....

As a sidenote, you could say my character *was* part of the Gym.
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April 27 2015 16:41 GMT
#1106
Counter!
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April 27 2015 16:45 GMT
#1117
At least one of SL/Chezinu is very likely town since it's unlikely that they would rush to defend each other as scum. It's entirely possible they're both town.
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April 27 2015 16:53 GMT
#1136
On April 28 2015 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
WARNING SHIT VERSION OF LIST POST INCOMING!!!!!!


townyish

marv - should learn to read
ff - dude is hilarious, liked his posting so far
Xatalos - sheeped the correct read (pending), seems pretty open and inquisitive/carefree + self deprecation about being promoter

probably townyish

indignant - (jat?) doesn't seem like a complete douche and actually pointing out scummy things instead of being hesitant bitch

meehhhbe town?

rygart - seems not so caught up in being all serious, got rid of his smurf indentity quickly,
sicklucker (probably down a tier, not liking his complete focus on being town read based on role when he knows it doesn't clear him ever)
jean val - posted for the sake of posting but was aware of it and actively pointed it out, seemed to just get thoughts out, thoughts weren't totally awful even if no conclusions drawn
sepulchre - (liked his posts against rsoul when he came back but not much to go on so, provisional here but tempted to send up if more like previous posting)
ls - lots of hilarious innocent mistakes like not understanding quips about rsouls gender, not really many afk excuses and not afraid to post his reads (probably up?)
stutters695 - uhhhh, not really sure? :D seems pretty fluid but like nothing super there but somehow still seems bit towny? lol


meh

inspector javert - psycho reads, small list post to start (not much to go on -.-)
rsoul - serious stick up her butt, posting for the sake of posting with no actual relevant content + intentionally antagonising people, free town reads and nothing really more (maybe down, maybe not - wait and see)
koshi - (fuck this guy again) you serious about this game..? stop being such an unnecessary douche
the shining - not really done much of anything, kind of meh meh
obiwanshinobi - not really done anything and after newbie game where he was town and told me he has started caring about games more as town this should probably drop him down a tier
breshke - meh, kind of limited amount of wishy washy posts (not scummy due to ls read which kind of had merit)

scummyish

sandroba - scummy posts, lots of setup talk, one post where he mentions reads in one sentence and then talks more about setup, afking meta, scummy
yamato - usual mafia excuse (potential to change if sticks to what he said)
vivax - really boring, not particularly involved, making useless posts which don't do anything, uneventful
damdred - mediocre, not really trying to do anything, posting for sake of posting and reads seem pretty free/not thought out/hard to do


chezinu

chezinu




Seems good. Although why is LS town when you say that the LS scumread has merit in the same post?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 16:54 GMT
#1139
I guess it's "meeehbe town"... still..
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 16:57 GMT
#1143
On April 28 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
merit to him, as in i can see breshke thinking that from his point of view, not to do with ls' alignment


I guess I can see that... But you don't agree with Breshke?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 17:01 GMT
#1147
On April 28 2015 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
lol@xata's sig


Yeah I just couldn't resist :D Laughed quite a bit when I read that.
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April 27 2015 17:20 GMT
#1173
On April 28 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 28 2015 01:57 Xatalos wrote:
On April 28 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
merit to him, as in i can see breshke thinking that from his point of view, not to do with ls' alignment


I guess I can see that... But you don't agree with Breshke?


i don't disagree about what he's said and i can see him thinking that it makes ls scum (dodging questions etc, not showing the meta) but i don't agree that it makes ls scum since i have other things that make me think he's town + i've seen him not provide the games for his meta before and the ignoring thing could just be missing out on the questions


I guess... Though it's a bit disturbing that he'd (even unintentionally) miss out on stuff that directly challenged his strongest scumread and proceeded with the vote still.
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April 27 2015 17:23 GMT
#1178
Actually I remember someone saying that Slam's meta is to have more fun as town. Maybe there's a case to be made for him.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 19:33 GMT
#1342
On April 28 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote:
See we have the same idea. If two players are doing the same nothing and are usualy scum when they do nothing. But votes were super easy to get on yamato over sandro. That means sandro is going to be mafia more of the time because there is going to be resistance on getting mafia to vote on mafia


I can agree with this.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 19:44 GMT
#1360
On April 28 2015 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:
I feel quite strongly that Breshke is mafia. The reason isn't really what is in his filter, but rather what isn't there. I am going to try to explain this in detail but it will take some intuition on part of the reader to fully comprehend why I'm going after him.

I want your focus to be this:

Breshke never attempts to lead with his questions and he never offers opinions or insight on situations

Let's just break what he has posted down:

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On April 26 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote:
Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that.


Im really intrested how you figured it is 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on your hp and stuff since the first cycle there is no fight promoter and the fight only causes 5 dmg to each participant. Based on the information in the OP at all and my own HP I would think that someone would have to participate in multiple fights to be killed by this mechanic add that on with no fight first day cycle just don't get how you got to 1.5 lynches per day.

This being said I think I heard your very good with mechanics, where did I read this I think marv said it? So i assume you are right I just don't see how.

Also hi everyone


Mechanics discussion with almost no content. While discussing mechanics on it's own isn't scummy at all, it's also not something to townread people for.

After figuring out the mechanics thing that I admit I don't quite understand myself, but I also don't really know how the game works so that's not really an issue. But the point is Breshke did not talk about anything else until this post.

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On April 26 2015 22:23 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:21 Inspector Javert wrote:
Mafia: xata, SL, maybe sandro (less likely cause claimed approx. HP), some lurkers
Town: damdred


Why SL?


Notice how this is just a straight up question, he doesn't even comment on the other reads, and much less anything else going on in the game. He does not offer any information or insight, preferring to straight up ask the question

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On April 26 2015 23:08 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:59 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:45 indignant wrote:
On April 26 2015 22:35 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 21:30 indignant wrote:
By the way, if there is a cop in this game: Don't ever check me.


Why not just be really townie instead of saying something that would probably make the cop more interested in you.

I am not allowed to explain this in detail but I am sure you have a brain and can figure it out yourself.


no I understand but obviously someone saying "cop don't investigate me" would naturally make the cop interested in said person so why not just act really townie instead.

If you understand then what's the point of this interrogation?

A) You ask sandro a useless question.
B) You ask me a useless question.
C) You keep the useless questioning up even though you claim to understand why I said what I said.

It feels very much like you are just posting to be posting.


I don't think the question to sandro is a useless one because if he doesnt have a proper explanation i thought it was possible he could be mafia because knowing all the mafias rols would give you a lot more information about what would happen in the night. I have since realised that is probably dumb. You have still never explained how it is obvious how he reached the conclusion that it is 1.5 lynches per night btw.

I understand your reason behind it but i don't think it is a right one. It is like claiming mason some people think that you shouldnt because you are town and just should act town and the cop won't investigate you.

But instead you have basically claimed that a cop investigating you would have bad consequences for the cop which doesn't really seem to be a very town sided role to begin with. Upon that if you were actually town I don't see why you are worried about this in the first place.


This discussion isn't about the game or trying to figure out someone's alignment. This is just a philosophical discussion about how mafia should be played, a fantastic topic if you're mafia as it looks like you're talking about the game but you really aren't. Again notice that at this point in the game I don't think Breshke has given even a single lean on any player in either direction. He has talked plenty, but not about things that are conducive to solving the game.

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On April 26 2015 23:11 Breshke wrote:
On April 26 2015 23:06 Xatalos wrote:
Breshke: It really is a pretty pointless discussion. Instead could you say if you have actual reads so far?

I'm not sure how the "you are right somehow" is scummy... Since basically any alignment could be correct on mechanics speculation so there doesn't seem to be any "scumslip" like Breshke knowing him to be town.


I don't have much.

The guy with the random reads list is weird but it still feels to early to say not sure why he posted it then didn't hang around to explain.

Indiginant i don't really agree with the cop thing play.

I like you for trying to move conversation on when not much is happening.


So when Xata pushes him for exactly what I'm pointing out, he kinda throws out a few reads. Pay special attention to the bolded. What the hell is this? This is not a read any viable human being would make. It's absolutely pointless to talk about whether or not he agrees with Indiginant's play style if he's not going to draw any conclusion from it.

Again, the theme goes on that he does not offer information unless prompted, he doesn't feel any need to share things with the thread unless specifically asked. The one exception is below.

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On April 27 2015 18:35 Breshke wrote:
I don't think LS is town this game.

Its weird that he said I TMI as scum but never eally pointed to a game where it happened.

He also ignored Xat explaining how it wasn't TMI which makes me think he doesn't really believe it because he isn't trying to persuade anyone.

##Vote LS

I also would be happy lynching SL this game because the fake confidence irks me


This is his one real read this game. As you all can see it's very flimsy and actually appeals to someone else (Xata) in his explanation. Is LS really someone you would expect to take a strong leadership role when he's town? Is this a viable reason to scumread him? This feels so flimsy that I simply don't believe Breshke believes this.

Also, when pressed on about this read, notice how weak it is really:

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On April 27 2015 19:53 Breshke wrote:
On April 27 2015 19:41 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.

On April 27 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here + Show Spoiler +
Dig won 3-2 vs Fusion and retains their NA LCS spot :O
I still not liking Breshke and Inspector Javert but I think Breshke is more likely scum than Inspector Javert since Breshke posts were pretty meh even on his large post it was very meh stuff.
##Vote: Breshke

OK so you say breshke is more likely scum than IJ but why is he more likely scum than anyone else in the game? Do you have no comment on anything anyone else has said?

I was agreeing alot with JAT post on Breshke and Breshke's large post wasn't good it was just a whole bunch of nothing when I had read it.



He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional


Like none of this is strong at all. I'm not saying LS couldn't be mafia, but the reasons Breshke has brought up are absolutely not why if he is. Notice the bolded, it really seems like he could simply go and confirm it if he actually cared about the read.




That's really about it for what is in Breshke's filter. I left out him randomly asking me about my experience level and a few other minor things, but I don't think I'm being unfair about my representation of his filter.

I believe I have fully proven that Breshke has almost no reads on anyone this game, and what little reads he does have are extremely weak. In addition all his questioning of random people is usually fairly one-sided, in that he rarely seems to offer to give up any information to his correspondent.

So, I think you cannot argue with my conclusion of what Breshke's filter is. However what is now left is to figure out if all of this actually makes him mafia. I think it does, but I'm more than willing to listen to a different opinion.


##vote Breshke


It basically boils down to his filter being "meh" again... Which is kind of true. But actually I don't think his small case on LS was bad. It got me to consider LS being scum.
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April 27 2015 21:08 GMT
#1478
I kind of like yamato's comeback. Let's see what sandroba has to say.
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April 27 2015 21:11 GMT
#1486
Could somebody explain why Breshke is scum besides being "meh" or "tmi" (which isn't even true really)?
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April 27 2015 21:19 GMT
#1513
On April 28 2015 06:14 indignant wrote:
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On April 28 2015 06:11 Xatalos wrote:
Could somebody explain why Breshke is scum besides being "meh" or "tmi" (which isn't even true really)?

Why are you asking this right now? Why aren't you reading the posts about him? Wtf? Being "meh" is a pretty reliable scumtell for many people btw.


I'm a bit busy atm and it would be helpful to ease the process.
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April 27 2015 21:24 GMT
#1537
Lol @ Sandroba :D:D
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April 27 2015 21:26 GMT
#1546
On April 28 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote:
HF you have been pushing a lot of BS this game. That list post is awful and so far you seem the only person that is somehow convinced I am mafia as opposed to most people who are saying "meh he is afk maybe he is mafia". You have been going for easy targets while spamming the thread with one liners and giving out terrible random reads. I believe this man is mafia and we should definetelly lynch him today.


I find it hard to disagree more on any one post than this one.

Did you even read the thread yet to determine that his reads are trash when they really aren't?
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April 27 2015 21:30 GMT
#1563
On April 28 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:
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On April 28 2015 06:26 Xatalos wrote:
On April 28 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote:
HF you have been pushing a lot of BS this game. That list post is awful and so far you seem the only person that is somehow convinced I am mafia as opposed to most people who are saying "meh he is afk maybe he is mafia". You have been going for easy targets while spamming the thread with one liners and giving out terrible random reads. I believe this man is mafia and we should definetelly lynch him today.


I find it hard to disagree more on any one post than this one.

Did you even read the thread yet to determine that his reads are trash when they really aren't?

WHY DOES HE NEED TO READ THE THREAD WHEN HOLYFLARE HIS READS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD? CAN YOU FUCKING TRY TO READ HOLYFLARE HIS READS?

If you are town. Know nothing and read Holyflare his fucking listpost you still know nothing. Except that HF got "feelings" around some people that are probably 100% fabricated.


Uh... They weren't really just feelings. They had mostly reasonings and he expanded on them in following posts.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:31 GMT
#1567
Granted it would have been nice to have a more fleshed out original listpost but still.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:35 GMT
#1580
Meh I don't think Breshke deserves more defense from me. I kind of liked his LS read earlier though so I wouldn't prefer lynching him.

sandroba did you read any posts where HF fleshed out his reads following his list?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:40 GMT
#1604
On April 28 2015 06:37 indignant wrote:
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On April 28 2015 06:35 Xatalos wrote:
Meh I don't think Breshke deserves more defense from me. I kind of liked his LS read earlier though so I wouldn't prefer lynching him.

sandroba did you read any posts where HF fleshed out his reads following his list?

Why on earth are you constantly talking about Breshke and nothing else? Are you scumbuddies or something?


Because he's been brought up as a lynch candidate every now and then and I'd like to get the correct picture of his chances of flipping scum before it's like 5min to deadline.

Last minute shenanigans and stuff
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:41 GMT
#1613
Looks like sandroba is getting lynched now though which is better than yamato or Breshke.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:49 GMT
#1659
sandroba how can you say HF is trash for going by his feelings when your feeling that he's fabricating his feelings is just a feeling?
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:53 GMT
#1689
On April 28 2015 06:53 indignant wrote:
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On April 28 2015 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Marv wants yamato, Koshi wants yamato and he even broke up his self impsoed meta, im on yamato, what else do you want?

Sandro can catch scum he caught me even though some shitters stand on the sidelines and say he can't but I'ma around longer than them and so does Toad and Sandro is capable.

Town pls

Marv voted yamato for being afk. Yamato isn't afk anymore.


That's true so it's stretching it to claim that marv supports the current yamato wagon.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 21:59 GMT
#1724
At least one of them is 90% Maifa because the votes are so even at the end.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:16 GMT
#1733
Nice. Get rekt
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:17 GMT
#1738
Too bad Slam got the best(?) role and failed so miserably though.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:26 GMT
#1767
On April 28 2015 07:18 Damdred wrote:
Sorry for my absence its been one of those days. Anyway i'll go back through the thread and answer anything directed at me, like xatas question about LS.

@Xata, LS is a meta read. He loves to bus and hes super lazy as scum. In a nutshell he is a meta machine as town and can just pull shit out from other games to compare and show people how the read should be different. For instance between LS and marv even though it was subtel where Ls showed how he was wrong about breshkes filter I thought it was insanely towny. hes also done it several other times in the thread not really being lazy. I think hes pretty towny still.

only on page 5x so anything pressing just ask me


He's been kind of lazy here though IMO... Like voting for Breshke without addressing my counter to his main argument for Breshke being scum. And his second argument was Breshke being "pretty meh".
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:30 GMT
#1787
I could be Promoter since I won't die (pretty certain of that thanks to my power) and you can see my judgment is solid for voting only on Maifa during D1

Vote Xatalos for Promoter. You won't regret it!
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:36 GMT
#1803
Yeah I think the two fighters should come from people who voted for yamato probably.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:38 GMT
#1807
I'll vote Holyflare for now but it might not be the best idea if he's already a likely scum target from these events.

##Vote Holyflare
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:39 GMT
#1808
On April 28 2015 07:37 indignant wrote:
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On April 28 2015 07:36 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah I think the two fighters should come from people who voted for yamato probably.

Wouldn't mind Vivax fighting the inspector or similar exciting shit.


Yeah something along those lines seems OK
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:39 GMT
#1809
(only because you can't vote for myself though )
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:43 GMT
#1817
On April 28 2015 07:40 Sepulchre wrote:
I'm fine with fighting, this is what we are here for after all.

Should probably mention that I do bonus damage.


Well then you certainly deserve your chance to fight
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:44 GMT
#1818
On April 28 2015 07:41 Inspector Javert wrote:
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On April 28 2015 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
I'll vote Holyflare for now but it might not be the best idea if he's already a likely scum target from these events.

##Vote Holyflare


How do recent events make HF scummy at all? He pushed mafia the last half of the day and had his vote stolen from said mafia.


Read at least the host messages please.
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:45 GMT
#1821
How could you even think I'm lynch voting at night anyway -.-
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Xatalos
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April 27 2015 22:47 GMT
#1823
Wat he didn't even say anything?
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:11 GMT
#2024
##Guard
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:12 GMT
#2025
Yeah Vivax doesn't look too good. He also wanted to lynch Yamato over sandroba..
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:14 GMT
#2027
I guess HF can be the Promoter then. Forgot about him being PGO for a bit.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:16 GMT
#2028
On April 28 2015 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 28 2015 06:14 Koshi wrote:
On April 28 2015 06:14 Holyflare wrote:
Why is my list post awful? It's amazing how you "know" it's awful despite reading absolutely none of the game. What an amazingly convincing time to read it all and mention it.

We already established that list was trashtier.

I know you're modkilled, but how and why are you so shit?

You're so shit I am trashtalking you while you're dead.

You big pile of smelly faeces.


Lol

I think Koshi was pretty decent at some point but something must have happened to him while I was gone
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:27 GMT
#2039
sandroba's push on HF made me pause for a little bit as well, but ultimately it was just unbelievable as a genuine push. No way would be suddenly divine HF "fabricating" everything with barely having arrived in the thread...
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 10:27 GMT
#2040
Not to mention that HF's post didn't even seem fabricated
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 11:05 GMT
#2061
This deadline was really nice information-wise. So many sketchy votes and overall playstyles before the lynch...

Vivax and Javert might be the most sketchy ones.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 11:09 GMT
#2064
Sepu not so good either. Unsure about Jean since he seems to be kind of doing his own thing (much like sandroba) but his thought process is far more transparent and scumhunting-focused.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 11:10 GMT
#2065
So Jean basically looks much better than sandroba but I'd still hope for more participation in hot topics over his own pursuits.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 11:20 GMT
#2069
Breshke is kind of "meh" but I haven't been convinced of him being scum so far. In any case there seem to be higher priority targets for damage/lynch for the time being.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 11:41 GMT
#2071
On April 28 2015 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
Be warned, mafia. I know there's probably at least 1 of you who managed to angle yourself well on that lynch.

And given time I WILL FIND YOU AND I WILL KILL YOU


You're secretly a masochist or something? :D
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:46 GMT
#2117
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:49 GMT
#2121
On April 28 2015 22:47 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 28 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
If we assume that yamato is town (kind of likely), then Damdred looks a decent amount better for his critical vote on sandroba.

thought experiment: what were Damdred's options?


Largely increasing the chances of sandroba getting lynched while looking a bit better himself
or
largely decrease the chances of sandroba getting lynched while looking pretty greatly worse himself.

Hm... I guess I'd go for the former option myself most of the time. So it's not really that indicative maybe... Only slightly.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:51 GMT
#2125
That's assuming him being scum btw
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:54 GMT
#2131
What 3P? It isn't even guaranteed that there's a 3P or what kind?
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:55 GMT
#2133
Oh nvm, there *are* 3P but no info what kind.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 13:57 GMT
#2139
Oh yeah, a malicious 3P would want to avoid getting blue visits...

So did you agree with my take on Damdred's options?
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:04 GMT
#2155
On April 28 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
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On April 28 2015 22:57 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, a malicious 3P would want to avoid getting blue visits...

So did you agree with my take on Damdred's options?

I would add it wasn't obvious how much his vote would or would not affect the outcome, as votes came in thick and fast. sand was leading the whole way until a quick flurry of yamato votes brought him up level

so i don't know that damdred would know his vote would *largely* increase sand's chances of getting lynched


Looking at the vote thread Damdred vote sandroba just after yamato got that huge amount of votes though. If I'm not mistaken yamato was even with sandroba when Damdred voted, or at least like -1/+1 vote away and basically everyone had already expressed their preference (though indignant and Jean ninjavoted sandroba at practically the same time making the difference bigger). Something in Damdred's favor I'd say.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:10 GMT
#2174
I guess Damdred isn't shitting townie rainbows but I'd say his vote choice leaves him as a not-so-good lynch option basically.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:12 GMT
#2181
My role does have kind of a restriction unfortunately.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:16 GMT
#2186
Go over to http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:20 GMT
#2190
Just in general or some specific reason?
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:23 GMT
#2195
If it's actually important you should probably say it while you're alive though. A Vigi could kill you or something.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:24 GMT
#2198
LOL
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:28 GMT
#2202
Well if it's not that important then just keep it hidden I guess. You may have just had a misunderstanding too or something.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:34 GMT
#2206
Much excitement
Such a close competition
Wow
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:43 GMT
#2209
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#2211
Oh yeah.

This seems better.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 15:21 GMT
#2213
People out of Vivax/Javert/Sepu seems good.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 15:25 GMT
#2216
Seems decent
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:17 GMT
#2396
What the crap... So much damage. Luckily I'm not easy to kill so I guess it worked out decently.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:19 GMT
#2400
12 HP total lost
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 28 2015 22:19 GMT
#2403
Why the heck did they target me more than marv? Rofl
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:29 GMT
#2412
##Vote Vivax
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:30 GMT
#2414
What's a scummy question..?
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:38 GMT
#2426
I'm still a bit confused about why scum would target me so heavily. And sad about something related to my role. Oh well. You can't always succeed.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:40 GMT
#2428
They probably used multiple attacks on me or something too... Such a shame.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:44 GMT
#2431
Well anyways we can now deal 5+ damage to two people and lynch and nobody died yet from NK's. Overall it's good.

If we do something like lynch Vivax and damage Sepu/Javert then that seems like a decent result for the day.

Other suggestions?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:44 GMT
#2432
Lolz if I was attacked by both scum and 3P.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:46 GMT
#2436
Let them come. I'll smash them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:47 GMT
#2437
On April 29 2015 07:45 rsoultin wrote:
in other news, unless a town player RBd me

^^ we should probably kill sepu

-initiating broken record dance-


Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:50 GMT
#2439
You too? That's quite a bit of damage spread out then.... Well I guess it's better in the sense that nobody died yet.
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Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:53 GMT
#2442
Anyways now I really need to sleep, there's still a lot of time until lynch and enough time until the fight decision...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 28 2015 22:59 GMT
#2446
If someone watched me/indignant/marv or tracked someone to us, it's most likely an anti-town visitor.

rsoul: Maybe... Pretty WIFOM though indeed.

But yeah now need to go.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 29 2015 05:57 GMT
#2553
Well it's kind of.. risky to disclose more information about roles. I'll just say this much... If you can only heal damage that's dealt the same night, then it's not as high a priority to use it on me. Still nice of course. If you can heal damage that's been dealt previously, then that would be very helpful to use on me considering a specific thing that I'd rather not say right now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 29 2015 06:00 GMT
#2554
At least a bit more HP would be quite useful.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 29 2015 06:15 GMT
#2556
On April 29 2015 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
sent action to host


Were you healed indignant?
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Xatalos
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April 29 2015 06:26 GMT
#2558
On April 29 2015 07:01 Inspector Javert wrote:
No one died are you shitting me?


Btw is this the reaction of a townie after nobody died >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 29 2015 06:39 GMT
#2560
Hmm.... LS otherwise but his recent posts made me pause a bit. Doesn't feel like such a scum thing to do to talk casually about something that might easily get him caught (things related to roles). Not to mention that there are better options.

Damdred's vote choice is something slightly town-indicative. Otherwise I suck at reading him. So not really up to lynch him...

Jean feels somewhat towny IMO from his style.

Dunno about Breshke anymore. Maybe he wouldn't be the worst fighter candidate.

Kind of forgot about OWS (you lol) / The Shining. These probably need some blue action...

Then there's Vivax/Sep/Javert who kind of look the worst from what happened up to sandroba's lynch. I'd be pretty much satisfied atm if they took the lynch + damage.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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April 29 2015 08:29 GMT
#2574
Somewhat conflicted on Jean actually. It's a bit disturbing that he's often so... Detached? Like not really paying attention to what's happening and rather just doing something "off-topic". He also tried to deflect the lynch away from sandroba (although ultimately voted him). It's hard to put him as town... I get this weird feeling that he's some sort of role at least (scum/3P/blue).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 08:34 GMT
#2577
Yeah Sepu should fight. We can also see if he told the truth about his role.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:32 GMT
#2595
On April 29 2015 18:27 marvellosity wrote:
I don't really get sicklucker's line of reasoning; Sepulchre has claimed a particular role that does a particular thing (does damage in a fight)

If we find that that's not what happened, then we get a free auto-lynch. So...


Yeah if the other person only claims 5 damage then... One is lying.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:32 GMT
#2596
On April 29 2015 17:41 Breshke wrote:
Xata am i misunderstanding how these things work or is everyone not some type of role


Seems kind of OP?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:34 GMT
#2598
I'd say we can worry about LS tomorrow.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:35 GMT
#2599
You mean he's not part of the Gym then? I'm not either though and still town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:37 GMT
#2603
I don't follow. Please explain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:42 GMT
#2607
See:

Welcome to Hajime No Ippo Mafia you are Ippo Makunochi
Your HP: 22
Liver Blow: Deal 2 Damage to a player and RB them. Only usable at night.
Passive: The first punch you take at night is reduced by 50% rounded down.
Passive: You are a member of Kamagawa Gym.
You win with Town
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:47 GMT
#2611
I really hope you're town marv btw.... You've been kind of passive / not so interested?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:49 GMT
#2614
Well you did point out some good things at night at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 09:59 GMT
#2622
Let's just say that I have a hard time figuring you out. Last time you were scum I defended you until you were just obviously scum >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 10:30 GMT
#2633
Weird. Can't find the game in question. But I think rayn (scum) got Vigi'd N1, you lost motivation -> GG soon enough.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:17 GMT
#2647
I really really doubt any townie chose to attack me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:18 GMT
#2648
On April 29 2015 19:54 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 18:47 Xatalos wrote:
I really hope you're town marv btw.... You've been kind of passive / not so interested?

Yeah. Not invested because of being 3p.


Lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:23 GMT
#2652
Yeah I remember scumVivax just rolling over and dying without resistance before... As town he at least tried.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:24 GMT
#2653
Marv you townread Javert?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:25 GMT
#2655
Hmm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:26 GMT
#2657
Then instead of him..?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:27 GMT
#2659
I mean in addition to sepu
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:29 GMT
#2660
OWS? Breshke? Maybe
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:32 GMT
#2667
No idea about Chezinu.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:33 GMT
#2668
Yeah The Shining... I can't even remember he said anything.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:34 GMT
#2670
The very definition of "blending in"
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:38 GMT
#2674
Agreed
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:40 GMT
#2676
:D
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:41 GMT
#2677
Sicklucker is town or very very confident/skilled with fake claim stuff.. Probably just town
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:43 GMT
#2679
And sicklucker being scum would also mean FF being scum? And choosing to heal indignant? Yeah...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:45 GMT
#2680
Btw indignant you did get healed right?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:53 GMT
#2683
Hmn. I can't imagine why scum-SL would send a power to scum-FF and announce it openly though... Probably not the case.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:54 GMT
#2685
All in all SL being scum creates many weird and unlikely conclusions so it's not likely.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 11:54 GMT
#2686
Oh a new icon.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 11:54 GMT
#2687
Good that you got healed then.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 12:58 GMT
#2689
Sepu vs Shining gogogo
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:19 GMT
#2706
Agreeing with marv on everything = the ultimate skill level
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:20 GMT
#2709
:D:D
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:20 GMT
#2710
Yeah the association between FF and sl didn't really make much sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:28 GMT
#2713
indignant is never going to forget the 3P interrogation is he?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:30 GMT
#2719
Hahahaha
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 13:35 GMT
#2723
Jean: rsoul does have a point though in the fact that "clean" doesn't generally mean that your posts are perfect, but rather that they're overly constructed and careful instead of genuine.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 15:25 GMT
#2743
On April 30 2015 00:11 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
On April 29 2015 22:29 Jean Valjean wrote:
On April 29 2015 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
On April 29 2015 22:09 Breshke wrote:
On April 29 2015 18:25 Breshke wrote:
Jean do you think im town now or something?

I only chose the correct lynch on mafia as my #2 option for the lynch and not #1. Until Breshke flips it can be argued that I made a mistake, which is not something characterized by mafia who are trying to be holier than thou to gain town credit. So with the correctness thing out of the picture there is very little left in Vivax' scumread on me. At best his accusation is some sort of a tone read I suppose?


This paragraph doesn't really make sense. So you are saying vivax is wrong about your posts being clean (meaning they were right?) because I'm town? You seem to have also dropped interest in pushing me is there a reason I don't really think I have improved my play at all.


Rso did you see this is this paragraph from jean read as weird to you as it dos to me. If you need context i can post the entirety of the post it was posted in if you can't find it.



jean in general seems weird to me?

thus the smurf/newbie? question

as for this read kinda agree with marv lol >< i don't think he actually got what vivax was saying about "clean"

still...the read lacks any comprehension that if someone is already suspicious of you, pushing another case against a player you'd already cased who is getting lynched, and then flips scum, that wouldn't make you look better

so, yeah -_- at best this guy isn't the most logical person?

he even thinks ls saying he's a "bad player" is separate from ls thinking he's bats lol ><


I genuinely dislike you. I don't know if that makes you mafia, but you treat people like shit to try to gain some sort of an intellectual high ground on them when everything you say is at best unsupported and at worst dumb.

why even respond to this instead of the #4 option i presented about your case earlier?

i don't get it


At the time I wasn't around to post anything that was of much value and I just got annoyed at that post by rsoultin.

Regarding your suggestion that maybe he's just bad, I still don't quite get why he would in that case say something that's wrong. Even bad players are capable of just pointing out things that are factually correct. I just think it's weird that he wouldn't simply admit to not having a clue if he didn't. Why is he trying to make it look like he has put more effort into the game than he has? That's what is bothering me.

Maybe I was overreacting and I should just stick to Vivax. There really does exist a reason for Vivax being mafia as I explained in my post about his read against me.

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 22:35 Xatalos wrote:
Jean: rsoul does have a point though in the fact that "clean" doesn't generally mean that your posts are perfect, but rather that they're overly constructed and careful instead of genuine.


Sure but why wouldn't I post in a constructed manner? I think my posts are extremely easy to read and help people process my thoughts in a straightforward manner. Why would I immediately post every thought that comes to me like a blathering monkey instead of presenting the things I have to say in a pleasant and constructed manner?

It's not like using paragraphs makes me mafia, is it?



I hope the "blathering monkey" doesn't refer to me

In any case, I was mostly pointing out that your response to being called "clean" was based on a false assumption. With that out of the way, yeah, it doesn't really make you scum. Each has their own playstyle. Generally though it's not a good sign if someone makes huge posts with lots of text and little conclusions... You do at least have conclusions, it's just that your style is somewhat detached from the thread and as such can give the impression of not caring too much. Personally I have a hard time townreading you and if you're town, you could maybe focus on A) giving your input on relevant discussion topics B) finding genuinely new / useful stuff that nobody else noticed yet. You've been kind of doing B, but it's been... more like explaining why you'd think some way, not pushing your opinion to make others change their mind or to get feedback.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 15:27 GMT
#2744
Damdred hasn't really done much that I can remember. What's going for him is his vote on sandroba but I hope he does something else too.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 29 2015 16:20 GMT
#2767
On April 30 2015 00:35 indignant wrote:
I swear I did not read Xatalos post before I answered.


Such a parrot
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 16:21 GMT
#2768
I hope HF at least submits the fight thing.

It's a bit sad since he promised to promote the fight but we'll see.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 17:57 GMT
#2861
You'll hang for punching me

##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 18:08 GMT
#2865
Hm yeah he did look like he thought he had catched The Shining or something.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#2978
Honestly it's just too unlikely for FF to be town IMO. And if he was, we'd still have to explain the actions through some other means. Occam's razor.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 29 2015 20:40 GMT
#2983
Nah, lynch FF. Everything just fits if he's scum. Something like a wandering miller also sounds exactly like a scum fakeclaim IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 11:45 GMT
#3308
Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 11:48 GMT
#3309
Votestealing roles are indeed more Mafia-oriented so that's not looking so good... It's a bit baffling why he would claim here though.

I'd like to hear the "specific reason" he mentioned to me before he gets lynched or something though It might even clear him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 11:49 GMT
#3310
On April 30 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 17:51 marvellosity wrote:
LYNCH ALL THE PEOPLE


3p survivor claim


Surprised indignant didn't jump on this :D
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 11:50 GMT
#3311
On April 30 2015 17:54 marvellosity wrote:
I would say, given sand flipped with vote-altering powers, if LS were mafia, that's a lot of vote-altering powers mafia has its disposal


This is true too... Then again, it's probably not OP considering that there are a ton of town roles.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 11:54 GMT
#3315
Oh, didn't notice that one. Maybe it's related to the "restricted" thing he was talking about earlier.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:02 GMT
#3317
Why exactly is Javert voting for yamato?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:03 GMT
#3319
On April 27 2015 01:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
Xatalos and marvellosity should fight.


Could that be a breadcrumb to a power for forcing fights? If it is, then just LOL
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:19 GMT
#3333
Urgh.... Javert's filter is just so full of pushing Maifa agenda. Seriously, take a look at what he's done during the game...

Randomly spreading suspicion while including a slighter correct scumread on his list:

On April 26 2015 22:21 Inspector Javert wrote:
Mafia: xata, SL, maybe sandro (less likely cause claimed approx. HP), some lurkers
Town: damdred


Reminds me of the sensibility of scumreads that sandroba had:

On April 27 2015 21:10 Inspector Javert wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to focus on this game until right before deadline.

If anyone wants to focus on anything I've said they should focus on my marv/SL scum reads. I think SL made his team mate marv mad and then their lame fight resulted. I agreed with pretty much everything they said about each other; marv playing with sock puppets fighting himself/SL weak pushing. I think they're the scummiest in the thread.


Refusing to lynch sandroba even though he was included in his scumlist earlier.... And the reason is the same one already included in that scumlist that made him a bit less likely scum (so nothing has changed apparently but he still refuses to lynch one of his scumreads). This is inconsistent... First it was just a slight thing making him not so scummy, now it makes him town?

On April 28 2015 04:19 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 28 2015 04:15 Inspector Javert wrote:
Would it be worth it to make a list post in about 2 hours? It won't sway people but maybe it will give people a better idea of where I'm at?

Anyway I need to vote not-marv since even the people who might lynch him won't vote him. I will switch to SL then I guess? His claim and how adamant (wrong word?) he is about it gives me pause though.

Can you comment on a sandroba/yamato lynch? These players apparently are playing directly into their scum metas right now


I don't care if Yamato gets lynched but he has enough votes without mine, I don't know his meta but his 1 post I remember wasn't enough to not lynch. I won't vote sandroba because he hinted about an HP total really early and thats something I don't see mafia doing.


Trying his best to save sandroba:

On April 28 2015 06:25 Inspector Javert wrote:
I'm switching to Vivax

##vote: Vivax



On April 28 2015 06:55 Inspector Javert wrote:
Switching to yamato cause <5 min and I already said I wouldn't vote sandro.

##unvote
##vote yamato


Frustrated over events that are beneficial for town:

On April 29 2015 07:01 Inspector Javert wrote:
No one died are you shitting me?


On April 29 2015 07:45 Inspector Javert wrote:
How does mafia win with ~21dmg per night and no nks? That's like a 1.3 people right?


Resisting FF lynch... Maybe Vivax is town after all?

On April 30 2015 05:49 Inspector Javert wrote:
We could have shining track FF again tonight and see what happens? Kill vivax in the mean time? Unless FF and shining are mafia together won't that confirm/deny that FF is mafia?


This here gives me some pause though. Would Maifa really say this?

On April 29 2015 07:19 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On April 29 2015 07:18 yamato77 wrote:
javert, why shouldn't we lynch you?


It might be in your best interest to lynch me. I'm town but I have a power that hurts people and I tend not to make good decisions in positions of power.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:24 GMT
#3342
On April 30 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
Resisting FF lynch... Maybe Vivax is town after all?


literally the worst pre-flip association i have ever heard.

gj xata :p


Hahahahaha

Well it was more like a random thought. Nothing solid to make Vivax town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:26 GMT
#3344
The weirdest part is that sandroba was actually his *scumread* for D1. Yet he suddenly became town for a reason that he already mentioned earlier (that didn't make him town then) when he was in actual danger. That's a weird shift in opinion that I don't really see town doing in that situation.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:32 GMT
#3350
Well I have no idea if he has that power but he's likely scum regardless just from his actions related to sandroba.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:34 GMT
#3352
No idea why he would 1) breadcrumb his power 2) claim that he has an anti-town role as scum though :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 12:39 GMT
#3354
That's still not a lot going for him considering that he has pushed scum agenda all game (mainly distancing from sandroba -> suddenly defending him when he's in danger -> trying to get Koshi modkilled -> voting for *yamato* of all people today when there are so many scummy people around).

Forgot about this Koshi bit in my earlier post:

On April 28 2015 07:27 Inspector Javert wrote:
Well, I think koshi needs to be modkilled since I can use this:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2015 07:25 Koshi wrote:
Joke hosts. Modkill a 3 page filter player because he forgot to vote.
Warnings don't exist.
Nothing in the rules about modkilling if you forget to vote.

Total joke.

Game is invalid already.


cba. You can kill me.

to determine his alignment.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:01 GMT
#3360
Hm fair point
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:04 GMT
#3361
Then again, if he's stupid enough as scum to breadcrumb his power / claim an anti-town role, it's not too far-fetched that he would also openly complain about town's success.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:05 GMT
#3362
I guess he's not the priority lynch though given those questionable things about his play if he's scum. FF -> Vivax -> Javert is what I'm thinking
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:06 GMT
#3363
Would be funny if we somehow managed to lynch only scum all game
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:08 GMT
#3368
On April 30 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
...

sepu

-facedesks-


Oh, him. Yeah. Well we can do FF -> Vivax -> Javert -> Sepu
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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April 30 2015 13:15 GMT
#3375
It would be helpful if we could invent the guillotine for a more efficient execution pace than by hanging.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:21 GMT
#3377
And yeah it would be nice if I could get some HP tonight. indignant already got healed so I guess only me and marv are significantly damaged? It'd be especially nice if I could regain HP from the previous damage since the current situation is hindering me just a bit.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:22 GMT
#3378
Then again, marv is in trouble too... Sigh.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:27 GMT
#3386
On April 30 2015 22:23 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 22:21 Xatalos wrote:
And yeah it would be nice if I could get some HP tonight. indignant already got healed so I guess only me and marv are significantly damaged? It'd be especially nice if I could regain HP from the previous damage since the current situation is hindering me just a bit.

Are you part of the gym?


I was going to say my name but it would be too revealing. I'll just say that I was part of the Gym, but moved away from there during the story.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:29 GMT
#3388
Nope
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:32 GMT
#3391
On April 30 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
I'm probably the only one of you fuckers who even works out.

And I'm not in the gym.

The world is BROKEN


Well I do go here http://www.shukokai.fi/?cat=1 if it counts as a "gym". Not exactly, but close.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:35 GMT
#3395
wot
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 13:36 GMT
#3396
Nice video about it btw:

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 14:40 GMT
#3405
On April 30 2015 22:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 20:48 Xatalos wrote:
Votestealing roles are indeed more Mafia-oriented so that's not looking so good... It's a bit baffling why he would claim here though.

I'd like to hear the "specific reason" he mentioned to me before he gets lynched or something though It might even clear him.


Okay I will answer this part: The special reason why I quoted your quote earlier was I thought you claimed 3rd Party but I might of misunderstood lol. Also I know my role seems Mafiaish and I kinda dislike it myselfbut it just for once per game type of deal.


I'm not sure if I follow your line of thought there.....
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 20:26 GMT
#3441
On May 01 2015 01:36 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
so boring.

mafia


Don't go abandoning your beliefs now. Obviously it's more likely to be bored as 3P
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 20:33 GMT
#3443
Lol

Actually I wrote it like "it's more likely to rain" but whatever
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:15 GMT
#3522
I guess FF rolecopped rsoultin and attacked me then? Seems that they most likely already know your role by now rsoultin :/

I wasn't RB'd, at least that I know of. I just didn't use it last night is all.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:18 GMT
#3530
On May 01 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
xata you're so fucking slow lol


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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:18 GMT
#3533
On May 01 2015 07:18 rsoultin wrote:
btw shining i <3 you lol >< ff would have been in my qt(s) and that...would have sucked


Hahahahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:20 GMT
#3539
It's not over for sure yet though, we have no idea what kinds of powers they have remaining. I'd imagine pretty powerful (or the team is large) since we have so many roles already claimed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:26 GMT
#3543
And yeah, again, any kind of healing (preferably focused on recovery from the previous damage) would be appreciated. If you can only heal simultaneously dealt damage then use it on marv/indignant or something. If you can heal both kinds of damage then up to you I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:28 GMT
#3548
On May 01 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
<3 gut feelings OP. FFs role would've been a pain. And hurray rso, they can't kill us both...I think. So I just need to make it through tonight and stalk more baddies tomorrow night.

So now that ff is flipped, a couple of things about his filter. Like him not wanting to vote sandro but hinting at voting vivax? A few times. I'm not convinced he'd bus one while defending the other.


Yeah that's what I noticed about Javert too. It's *possible* that Vivax could be just a really pathetic townie. We'll see.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:28 GMT
#3549
*apathetic
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:29 GMT
#3551
On May 01 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 07:28 indignant wrote:
On May 01 2015 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
On May 01 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
So now that ff is flipped, a couple of things about his filter. Like him not wanting to vote sandro but hinting at voting vivax? A few times. I'm not convinced he'd bus one while defending the other.

literally no reason why not

unless you think scum only bus all their team-mates or only defend all their team-mates?

I am still 99 % sure Vivax is mafia and will campaign for his lynch tomorrow.

especially as sandro was the one getting lynched and vivax wasn't...


That's true though.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:30 GMT
#3552
Hm yeah most likely Vivax is the way to go tomorrow.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:31 GMT
#3555
On May 01 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
most likely being around 100%, yes


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:32 GMT
#3559
Oh yeah they probably have an RB'er still.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:35 GMT
#3567
It's pretty usual to soft push teammates as Maifa. It makes it harder to get a picture of the whole team if it's on several sides of the "town camps" / arguments etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:36 GMT
#3571
On May 01 2015 07:33 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote:
I would like to be fight promoter today! I am highly unlikely to die.

Besides that I think it's likely vivax is mafia

Btw. I still don't trust this guy at all and we should most definitely not make him the fight promoter. Just sayin.


Maybe HF again? Dunno.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:37 GMT
#3575
You're the 3P remember?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:38 GMT
#3578
lol
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:40 GMT
#3580
I guess it's just hard to 100% trust anyone so you go with those you trust more.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:41 GMT
#3583
It's already revealed.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:41 GMT
#3589
wot that doesn't sound good
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:44 GMT
#3595
Apparently that's a move from Beyblade, not Ippo, so I bet it's just a joke after all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:45 GMT
#3600
Apologetic scum
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:47 GMT
#3602
On May 01 2015 07:44 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 07:44 Xatalos wrote:
Apparently that's a move from Beyblade, not Ippo, so I bet it's just a joke after all.

You are so slow, scrub.


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:49 GMT
#3605
I remember rayn making a grand play once and catching a scum with it though haha.

It's been a while.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:50 GMT
#3609
rofl
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:51 GMT
#3613
Eventually being the moment of flip I guess
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:53 GMT
#3623
On May 01 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 07:49 Xatalos wrote:
I remember rayn making a grand play once and catching a scum with it though haha.

It's been a while.

Was it that hilarious case with a picture showing someone is scum or something like that?


It was a fakeclaim (as town) that caused interesting reactions in the scumteam. Not sure about the details though since it's been a long time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 30 2015 22:58 GMT
#3640
Gonna leave my vote on Holyflare for the time being.

##Vote Holyflare
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:00 GMT
#3861
Does that herb thingy only increase the damage of the one who used it or the damage of everyone?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:04 GMT
#3862
I'll laugh so hard in the post-game if Chezinu actually is a recruiter of some sort :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:11 GMT
#3863
On May 01 2015 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
These guys are like 95%+ confirmed town btw

Me
rstou
shining
breske
xata

Jat and hf are more like 85% and marvs a lil lower


How did Breshke get confirmed btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:14 GMT
#3864
Oh yeah he did stop the fight.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:17 GMT
#3865
That wouldn't make very much sense to do as scum at least.... Unless it was a plan to get town cred for Breshke. Doesn't seem very worth it though since Breshke wasn't in any immediate danger.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:19 GMT
#3866
On May 01 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
im going to rng my heal between xata/jat because they both have rly low hp so they will be targeted by there low dmg spells


He was already healed though? Although no idea for how much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 07:24 GMT
#3867
Still probably enough that he's not so easy to kill.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:26 GMT
#3888
On May 01 2015 16:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hope Xat doesn't die.

I do enjoy having him around.


Not sure where this came from but... thanks I guess?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:30 GMT
#3890
On May 01 2015 20:45 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 16:11 Xatalos wrote:
On May 01 2015 10:38 sicklucker wrote:
These guys are like 95%+ confirmed town btw

Me
rstou
shining
breske
xata

Jat and hf are more like 85% and marvs a lil lower


How did Breshke get confirmed btw?

Ignore him. The people on that list are all very likely to be town, yes. Are they confirmed town though? No. The only one close to that is Shining. But all of this doesn't even matter because if you want a fight promoter who can actually promote a fight tomorrow you do not pick any of them.
SL does not know my HP - is it low? Meh, kinda. Healing me will still be worth it in the long run. But I can 100 % guarantee you that I will not die tonight. 100 %. And no, I will not explain this.

Regardless of all of that you should not plan your nightactions in a too complicated way. It just makes it easier for scum to fuck with it using their roles or to find out who they should kill. If you have nothing better to do than to move yourself to a certain place on the playerlist - fine, do that. But don't expect everything to work out like planned. And don't plan the game around people that are at best question marks like batsnacks, sepulchre and Obi. You can try to kill Vivax tonight. But if you do better be absolutely sure that he dies because if he doesn't then we 100 % still lynch him tomorrow. Therefore it would be smarter to damage someone else in my opinion.


Hm, yeah. It wouldn't make much sense to deal only a little damage to Vivax.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:32 GMT
#3892
On April 30 2015 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 22:32 Xatalos wrote:
On April 30 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
I'm probably the only one of you fuckers who even works out.

And I'm not in the gym.

The world is BROKEN


Well I do go here http://www.shukokai.fi/?cat=1 if it counts as a "gym". Not exactly, but close.

gay



On May 01 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
On May 01 2015 16:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hope Xat doesn't die.

I do enjoy having him around.


Not sure where this came from but... thanks I guess?

dat ass.


This is somewhat disturbing.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:33 GMT
#3894
sicklucker I might want that damage herb if it only applies to my own ability. If it applies to everyone, it just kind of sucks because it would benefit Maifa more than anything.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:35 GMT
#3895
On May 01 2015 23:32 marvellosity wrote:
why must you mock my mancrush ;(


Sorry but I don't swing that way :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 14:45 GMT
#3898
Why not indeed.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:29 GMT
#3922
On May 02 2015 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
oh Xata was in that game too

*waves*


Which one?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:30 GMT
#3923
On May 02 2015 00:27 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:23 indignant wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
I think that brings me up to 2/3 winrate total

so can we not lose this game please

Hubris. Go. :p

Running out of people
On April 28 2015 07:09 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

sandroba (10): Holyflare, Xatalos, Holyflare, Holyflare, sicklucker, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Koshi, yamato77, Stutters695, Breshke, rsoultin, The Shining, Jean Valjean, Damdred, indignant
yamato77 (8): marvellosity, Vivax, rsoultin, Stutters695, indignant, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, sandroba (x2), Inspector Javert, Sepulchre
Inpsector Javert (2): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast
Breshke (1): Koshi, ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu, sicklucker, Jean Valjean
Holyflare (0): Koshi, Koshi, sandroba
rsoultin (0): Fecalfeast, Sepulchre
Sepulchre (0): rsoultin
LightningStrike (0): Breshke
Vivax (0): Inspector Javert
marvellosity (0): Koshi, sicklucker, Inspector Javert, Koshi
Koshi (0): Holyflare
sicklucker (0): marvellosity, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
Xatalos (0): Koshi

Not voted (1): rygart

Given the current vote count, sandroba is most likely to be knocked out.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:

Marv didn't color his name. 3p claim.


I could see that one coming
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:31 GMT
#3926
I think that was the game where we just lynched scum every day and they didn't really manage to do anything. Good times.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:32 GMT
#3927
On May 02 2015 00:29 Damdred wrote:
JV I keep forgetting he's in the game.

its actually highly likely. Didn't he claim a power already


What is likely?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:34 GMT
#3930
Such is the power of all the active players being town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:36 GMT
#3931
On May 02 2015 00:32 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

i agree with most of your townreads marv which means you're probably wrong on at least one of them xP

theoretically we've got what...3 more scum and at least a couple 3ps left yeah?


Probably 2-3 left yeah depending on how much power their roles have / what kind of 3P we have. If there's malicious 3P that deals damage / recruits / etc. then the scumteam might be smaller?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:38 GMT
#3933
If there's a Traitor role btw, then Javert might be it... He's basically done everything he can to help scum so far.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:39 GMT
#3934
On May 02 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 00:34 Xatalos wrote:
Such is the power of all the active players being town.

it would have been even more one-sided, because gumshoe was mafia PGO and I was trying to roleblock him N1 but died...


Haha yeah..
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 15:41 GMT
#3937
On May 02 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:29 Damdred wrote:
JV I keep forgetting he's in the game.

its actually highly likely. Didn't he claim a power already


What is likely?


I highly doubt the whole sandroba wagon was 100% town and I don't see a reason not to town read everyone he is now sooo. Its really likely


I still don't get what you're saying >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:49 GMT
#3941
On May 02 2015 00:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 00:43 indignant wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:39 Damdred wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 02 2015 00:29 Damdred wrote:
JV I keep forgetting he's in the game.

its actually highly likely. Didn't he claim a power already


What is likely?


I highly doubt the whole sandroba wagon was 100% town and I don't see a reason not to town read everyone he is now sooo. Its really likely

I keep hearing this reason from people in games. It still makes 0 sense on it's own.

yeah. when I have a townread of whatever strength on everyone on the wagon except 1 person, I don't see why it makes sense to think that person is going to be mafia. Given everyone else is town, why not them too.


I guess it's related to the fact that scum often like to "play both sides". Meaning they rarely all do the exact same thing.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 15:57 GMT
#3943
On May 02 2015 00:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay with Vivax being most likely scum should we start discussing who we lynch after Vivax?


Javert I'd say?
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May 01 2015 15:58 GMT
#3944
Well it's a bit early to decide that yet.
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Xatalos
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May 01 2015 16:04 GMT
#3949
It's not just his vote choice. It's the fact that his play went like this:

1) "sandroba is slightly scummy (made a bit less likely since he claimed his approx. HP)"
2) sandroba becomes a major wagon
3) "sandroba is town because he claimed his approx. HP, I won't lynch him"
4) votes for anyone not sandroba

Yeah...
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May 01 2015 16:05 GMT
#3950
Basically his read changed without anything changing in the game just because sandroba was in danger.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 16:23 GMT
#3966
On May 02 2015 01:12 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
It's not just his vote choice. It's the fact that his play went like this:

1) "sandroba is slightly scummy (made a bit less likely since he claimed his approx. HP)"
2) sandroba becomes a major wagon
3) "sandroba is town because he claimed his approx. HP, I won't lynch him"
4) votes for anyone not sandroba

Yeah...


Sandroba had, I thought at the time, 1 small thing going for him. The HP semi claim.

Yamato had, I thought at the time, 0 things going for him.

That's why I voted how I voted.

I put marv and xata in the amateur fight d1.


That still doesn't explain how your scum lean sandroba suddenly becomes someone you won't lynch at all. Especially over a null(?) read like yamato.

Obviously the most scummy players you chose there....
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 17:20 GMT
#3983
ROFLMAO
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May 01 2015 18:01 GMT
#3996
On May 02 2015 02:54 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 02:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 02 2015 02:08 indignant wrote:
On May 02 2015 02:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I am here.

Good job.


:D

Mind explaining your vote, lazy mofo?


I read that as "lazy mafia". No joke.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 18:22 GMT
#4003
I have no idea how the 12HP that I lost came to be. It's possible that Javert caused some of that or maybe not. Dunno why he would fakeclaim causing it though so probably he did.

Not that it makes him town, it just doesn't make sense to fakeclaim something like that as either alignment. Not that it makes any sense to do it as either alignment either so dunno (well, naturally it would make sense to do it scum, but not to claim doing it).
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 18:46 GMT
#4007
Hm yeah it seems a bit weird that I and indignant would both receive 12 damage if Javert already caused me 3 damage. Where did the 3 damage on indignant come from then? Maybe the scum players have different amounts of damage they deal?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 18:48 GMT
#4008
On May 02 2015 03:18 Inspector Javert wrote:
I picked xata and marv because I:

Needed people that wouldn't be picked for the main fight.
Wanted people that probably wouldn't get lynched even if they were mafia.


Btw I don't understand this reasoning at all. So you should just help towny people get killed for the lolz?
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Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 22:07 GMT
#4102
6 damage on me... Damn it all. My ability failed this time. And I wasn't healed either I guess?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 22:09 GMT
#4106
On May 02 2015 07:07 indignant wrote:
I took some damage. I do not really know how much though.


How can you not know..?
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Xatalos
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May 01 2015 22:09 GMT
#4107
On May 02 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
mafia tried to kill me rofl


I guess they took some damage then
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Xatalos
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May 01 2015 22:10 GMT
#4109
Or maybe I was healed so that I didn't take 12 damage this time. Dunno. At least I still live.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 22:11 GMT
#4111
The Shining you found anything interesting this time? Apparently rsoultin was RB'ed so your action succeeded?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 01 2015 22:13 GMT
#4114
The player list isn't yet updated?
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Xatalos
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May 01 2015 23:45 GMT
#4242
I could have use for the damage thingy. My ability is basically this: I have an X amount of charges to have an X percentage chance of dealing a great amount of damage to whoever attacks me + blocking the attack. I didn't use it N1 (didn't imagine I'd be a priority target), used it N2 (but it failed) and I'm going to use it again tonight. If I get the damage thingy, it's more likely that the potential attacker dies. It's fine even if I'm not attacked too. It just means I get to live until tomorrow.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 01 2015 23:48 GMT
#4244
Oh yeah...

##Vote Vivax
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Xatalos
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May 01 2015 23:56 GMT
#4247
On May 02 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
no idea why stutters used stuff on me btw and it's incredibly strange if he took no dmg back and won't explain it

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 07:28 Stutters695 wrote:
I attacked HF using my one shot power to test something. I knew it wouldn't be enough to kill him based off of every role that's been revealed. I won't reveal the damage done, but it should be less than 9 and if not someone else attacked you also.

Sep was just me trying to outright kill him with my punch to thin out the lynch pool.


he said the above but i think it's bull shit especially after yesterday where i asked to end the fight specifically because i couldn't really be taking anymore dmg, it would be a good cover for mafia trying to finish me off


It's extremely weird why he would A) do this B) claim this. It makes little sense as either alignment. Maybe they decided the way to go would be to make bad claims haha (see: FF, Javert)
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Xatalos
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May 02 2015 10:01 GMT
#4539
On May 02 2015 15:05 Damdred wrote:
Why would we lynch him over vivax who Marv probably red checked?


marv was parity cop though? Meaning he couldn't have known anyone's alignment before he died.

If Vivax and Sepu can't fight... Then I guess something like people out of Javert/OWS/Stutters seems decent enough.
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May 02 2015 10:01 GMT
#4540
And Vivax shouldn't fight regardless since he's getting lynched.
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May 02 2015 10:02 GMT
#4541
On May 02 2015 14:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
Let me fight I have like a billion HP.


And you want to lose HP? >.> This seems weird.
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May 02 2015 10:04 GMT
#4542
I don't think it's too useful to worry about the cop claims yet. They will eat KP / roleblocks while they live even if there's 3P among them.
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May 02 2015 10:06 GMT
#4543
If Stutters is fakeclaiming then Sepu is most probably town... I guess.
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May 02 2015 10:06 GMT
#4544
No wait, Sepu could be fakeclaiming the damage. So that's not really conclusive.
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May 02 2015 11:32 GMT
#4546
On May 02 2015 20:05 Breshke wrote:
Jat has taken a large amount of damage.


And?
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May 02 2015 14:35 GMT
#4605
The fact remains that rsoultin's claim is the only one out of the cop claims that is extremely unlikely to be scum. It shouldn't really be a priority at all. Even if she's 3P or something, scum will most likely keep targeting her (= not targeting actual townies at the same time).
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May 02 2015 14:37 GMT
#4608
On May 02 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
chezinu/obi


mmmm okay


Not Javert?
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May 02 2015 14:38 GMT
#4609
On May 02 2015 23:35 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Idk why RS is so defensive about being 3p.

idk what else to say about hf he helped the drive on sandrona and called out ff during the night with me. I guess 3p is possible but no way scum I think

Like I said - pretty useless to argue about it. If he isn't scum he will die soon.


Yeah he's apparently on low HP already too.
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May 02 2015 14:41 GMT
#4618
On May 02 2015 23:40 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Idk why RS is so defensive about being 3p.

idk what else to say about hf he helped the drive on sandrona and called out ff during the night with me. I guess 3p is possible but no way scum I think


i literally called vivax mafia all day 1 too

hence why all these accusations are so bad

Let's be real here for a second. If you start playing the game on a scumteam with Vivax and Sandroba you know immediately that you can't townread them ever and will probably have to bus them sooner rather than later.


sandroba used to be good though from what I remember. I wonder when his play dropped in quality so much.
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May 02 2015 14:43 GMT
#4627
Chez/OWS seems decent enough I guess. Both of them will be hard to determine otherwise.
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May 02 2015 14:44 GMT
#4631
On May 02 2015 23:42 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:40 indignant wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Idk why RS is so defensive about being 3p.

idk what else to say about hf he helped the drive on sandrona and called out ff during the night with me. I guess 3p is possible but no way scum I think


i literally called vivax mafia all day 1 too

hence why all these accusations are so bad

Let's be real here for a second. If you start playing the game on a scumteam with Vivax and Sandroba you know immediately that you can't townread them ever and will probably have to bus them sooner rather than later.


yeh that's probably true but vivax was at least trying to play day 1? he tried to get a wagon going on me with koshi and sandroba

Koshi was honorary mafiateam member that's for sure.


lol
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May 02 2015 14:45 GMT
#4634
On May 02 2015 23:43 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2015 23:41 Xatalos wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:40 indignant wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 02 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Idk why RS is so defensive about being 3p.

idk what else to say about hf he helped the drive on sandrona and called out ff during the night with me. I guess 3p is possible but no way scum I think


i literally called vivax mafia all day 1 too

hence why all these accusations are so bad

Let's be real here for a second. If you start playing the game on a scumteam with Vivax and Sandroba you know immediately that you can't townread them ever and will probably have to bus them sooner rather than later.


sandroba used to be good though from what I remember. I wonder when his play dropped in quality so much.

Afaik he was never good at playing scum.


Then he seems like really easy to read... Maybe he's good enough as town to make up for it then.
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May 02 2015 14:49 GMT
#4642
HF what's the reasoning for Chez/OWS over Javert btw?
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May 02 2015 14:52 GMT
#4648
It's not pure policy though. He has done a couple of weird things to do as scum, but his D1 play was quite scum-oriented (as explained earlier).
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May 02 2015 14:53 GMT
#4650
On May 02 2015 14:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
Let me fight I have like a billion HP.


Hm yeah this was pretty weird.
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May 02 2015 14:54 GMT
#4651
It's possible he could have some power to make fighting beneficial for him... Or he's just trying to avoid getting into a fight.. Such WIFOM.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 02 2015 15:24 GMT
#4688
On May 03 2015 00:15 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't want to fight Sepu. :<

Why? Scared of the 1 extra damage? OR scared of the check?


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May 02 2015 15:25 GMT
#4690
On May 03 2015 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
ahhh that might be why xata took so much dmg :O


You mean the apparent 3 damage from Javert?
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 02 2015 20:16 GMT
#4787
Chezinu actually claimed 3P or is he just trolling?

If anyone has any idea I mean....
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May 02 2015 20:16 GMT
#4788
On May 03 2015 02:16 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 13:59 Chezinu wrote:
HEY GUYS!!! DONT DOOO IT!!!!

I R CHECKED SICKLUCKER. HE IS R IN THE GOOD GYM!!! Well, there could be an evil mafia boxer in the gym... but let's say that R Not Case.

How's I knows? Cause I am THE GYM!!!!


THATS RIGHT!!!! I R THE GYM. As The GYM I have access to all sorts of equipment. If you would like to purchase my are equipment, you gotz to make deals with me. Don't have Cheznos? Don't worry I R can donate thems.

Have you ever tried to punch the gym? Well, you will hurt your self before crumbling me down unless you special.Can the Gym punch back? Well, HE canz with the gym members. THat is why the Brown Boxing Glove GYM is recruiting members to fight in and for me.

Sicklurker is a part of THE GYM. Hows I knows? The GYM has state of the art security cameras that sees many many thingz. like sicklurkers... Yeah. I R Chez. You Can't Punch this without.... I don't even know.


GOGO DRAMAS!!!!


My first roleclaim was the truest roleclaim.

I proved that I cannot punch.

I have yet to successfully deliver a package or recruit someone. I JUST WANT TO DO IT EVEN IF IT MEANS MY DEATH. SO I WILL VISIT HF TONIGHT!!!! MAFIA DONT STOP ME!!! TOWN DONT STOP ME!!! OTHER 3P DONT STOP ME!!!!

It will be the death of me, but the package is worth it. The package is truly worth it!!!!

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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 02 2015 20:17 GMT
#4789
Hm...
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 02 2015 20:18 GMT
#4790
Yeah yamato has really just disappeared almost completely.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 02 2015 20:21 GMT
#4792
As funny as it is, I think the card thingy makes Damdred, rsoultin and OWS (very slightly) more townie. Or at least they likely didn't deliver the damage that killed marv.
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May 02 2015 20:23 GMT
#4793
On May 03 2015 05:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 05:16 Xatalos wrote:
Chezinu actually claimed 3P or is he just trolling?

If anyone has any idea I mean....


-shrugs-

he's claimed so many things lol >< but the 3p thing fits my impression of him if that helps?


To be honest I have no idea how to read him. He could probably just as well play like that as town or scum. Once I think I was in a scumteam with him and he just claimed random things all game. I also watched some video Mafia game once and he had a mask on to make him impossible to read (ROFL!).
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May 02 2015 20:41 GMT
#4800
On May 03 2015 05:24 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2015 05:23 Xatalos wrote:
On May 03 2015 05:20 rsoultin wrote:
On May 03 2015 05:16 Xatalos wrote:
Chezinu actually claimed 3P or is he just trolling?

If anyone has any idea I mean....


-shrugs-

he's claimed so many things lol >< but the 3p thing fits my impression of him if that helps?


To be honest I have no idea how to read him. He could probably just as well play like that as town or scum. Once I think I was in a scumteam with him and he just claimed random things all game. I also watched some video Mafia game once and he had a mask on to make him impossible to read (ROFL!).

Was that the game those assholes lynched him day1?


I think he was policy lynched yeah. Not sure if it was D1.
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May 02 2015 20:43 GMT
#4801
On May 03 2015 05:21 Xatalos wrote:
As funny as it is, I think the card thingy makes Damdred, rsoultin and OWS (very slightly) more townie. Or at least they likely didn't deliver the damage that killed marv.


-> This of course only applies if Chezinu is town/3P.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 03 2015 08:44 GMT
#4867
It's still a bit hard to believe that we voted on basically only scum members during D1.
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 03 2015 08:49 GMT
#4868
(sandroba, yamato, Vivax)
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May 03 2015 08:52 GMT
#4869
I guess there was only Breshke.
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May 03 2015 08:52 GMT
#4870
*also
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 03 2015 09:03 GMT
#4872
Ha
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Profile Joined January 2011
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May 03 2015 16:28 GMT
#4898
yamato would be a good check I guess. It's pretty hard to tell his alignment at this point. The inactivity seems a bit more in line with scum-mato though.
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May 03 2015 16:29 GMT
#4900
From what I remember he's pretty active and confident/proactive as town usually, lazier / less active as scum.
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May 03 2015 16:30 GMT
#4904
Well to be fair he was VT when I played with him and he was so active. Maybe him being blue/3P/something affects him.
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May 03 2015 16:31 GMT
#4905
On May 04 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
right well, do we know if mafia kp is actually delivered or not? don't think it says so in op


I think it's almost certainly delivered because FF visited two people and his role only suggests that his ability is to visit one person.
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May 03 2015 16:32 GMT
#4907
On May 04 2015 01:28 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:21 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 04 2015 00:37 Damdred wrote:
Why's it so unlikely to have two mafia up? Is Yamato that towny aside from the votes on hik?

That doesn't answer my question, stutters was generally being town lean. Sooo what's the mafia motivation to punch hf and then claim it? It doesn't matter if you are unccd something in a closed setup or else ff could of been the pooping champ and we wouldn't of lynched him.

I think Yamato is towny aside from the votes at least when he was around he had some decent questioning on others on Day 1 and Day 2.

wat


lol
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May 03 2015 16:32 GMT
#4908
On May 04 2015 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
right well, do we know if mafia kp is actually delivered or not? don't think it says so in op


I think it's almost certainly delivered because FF visited two people and his role only suggests that his ability is to visit one person.


did ff move on the player list?


Dunno why?
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Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 03 2015 16:36 GMT
#4915
Could he have even used both of his abilities at the same time? If yes, he probably used both first night.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 03 2015 16:37 GMT
#4916
Since generally scum are fighting against time etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 03 2015 17:23 GMT
#4951
Yeah it's a bit boring right now. I even forgot that the game existed for a while there (lol). At least tomorrow should be more interesting and the night kills / actions should also be somewhat interesting.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 03 2015 17:26 GMT
#4955
I was reminded of this when I saw the "boys club" thing.

http://i.imgur.com/CfDz6ZN.png
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 08:29 GMT
#5394
On May 04 2015 11:32 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 11:01 Inspector Javert wrote:
btw I have like 30 hp and haven't taken any damage so mafia needs to get me lynched.


30 hp is insane.. I doubt any town has that maybe a mafia


Role name Javert? It's a bit weird to have more HP than the resilient main character, but I'd like to see the character.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 08:32 GMT
#5395
On May 04 2015 10:00 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 09:57 indignant wrote:
Well, let's put it this way - if SL really is the last mafia then it makes sense that Vivax didn't try since FF was outed.


ROFL IM GOING TO MURDER YOU


That must have hurt.

I think there's probably still 2 scum left though so I assume sicklucker was joking. Besides, it'd be weird for him to forget the confirmed existence of 3rd parties when they have the scumQT etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 08:33 GMT
#5396
On May 04 2015 13:42 yamato77 wrote:
e

z

game.


You mean it's easy to lunch you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 08:36 GMT
#5397
Btw I read through the last pages but I'm not really sure if I understood all the role speculation. Is it even so important if there's a supposed damage or two missing? There's undoubtedly unknown scum/3P roles that might be responsible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 11:42 GMT
#5399
So your role name Javert?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 12:12 GMT
#5402
Oh... I just read the part with Date in the manga recently. I guess it's not *impossible* for him to have more HP than Ippo..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 12:15 GMT
#5403
On May 04 2015 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Morning angel I'm kev really like ur profile I'm not a freak lol but would love to book u?let me no when ur available Kev. Xxx


so i just got this text message today


I don't know Kev
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 12:17 GMT
#5404
https://m.reddit.com/r/forsen/comments/2s4u7g/the_origin_of_idk_kev/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 14:39 GMT
#5431
I'm not far enough in the manga to say if Date could host amateur fights :/ In any case it might just be a fake name so hard to say it would clear him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 15:02 GMT
#5438
That's pretty vague so I can't say I've been particularly spoiled.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 18:57 GMT
#5487
Tbh martyring comes more often from scum relatively I think (considering the frequency of rolling town/scum etc.).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 19:06 GMT
#5489
That was a general observation. I very rarely appeal to emotion for support.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 19:07 GMT
#5490
I'd really like to read the scum/obsQT at this point.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#5519
Holyflare has disappeared? wtf really?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:14 GMT
#5522
rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:17 GMT
#5524
That was the most confusing daypost I've ever experienced.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:17 GMT
#5526
On the bright side it looks like we'll be getting some juicy information tonight from The Shining since the scum RB is dead. Maybe who killed him?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:19 GMT
#5527
On May 05 2015 07:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Commentator Announcement

Batsnacks is the greatest! All hail Batsnacks!



Care to explain this?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:21 GMT
#5531
Not yet at least. Maybe the PM's are still being sent?

Btw I didn't use the counter ability after all tonight. I trusted in the WIFOM and it rewarded me. Next night is the time to use it for real
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:21 GMT
#5532
On May 05 2015 07:21 Inspector Javert wrote:
That's my ultimate ability. I get to make a 6 word announcement. :D

HTS messed up the message though it was supposed to be "batsnacks is greatest! All hail batsnacks!"

I didn't actually have enough words to include "the"


That's it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:23 GMT
#5534
It's pretty horrible tbh
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:23 GMT
#5535
Well I guess it was a bit funny.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:24 GMT
#5536
Hm did the playerlist change yet? Or nobody moved?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:26 GMT
#5537
I guess yamato is good.

##Vote yamato77
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:27 GMT
#5539
It does concern me a bit that Javert is voting for him but I find it harder to justify that yamato could be town at this rate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:31 GMT
#5542
On May 05 2015 07:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
It does concern me a bit that Javert is voting for him but I find it harder to justify that yamato could be town at this rate.


Why does that concern you?


Because of your suspect behavior around sandroba's lynch and your claim being one of the more dubious ones.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:32 GMT
#5543
On May 05 2015 07:31 sicklucker wrote:
So hf was the third party?


Maybe. Or a 3P made him disappear something? I really wonder what happened to him.

I guess it makes most sense if he fulfilled his win condition or something along those lines.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:33 GMT
#5546
It would also explain him claiming PGO (wanting to hide his alignment and hide from scum as well).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:35 GMT
#5549
It's a bit weird that his win condition was never revealed but oh well :/

Anyone else took damage?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:37 GMT
#5552
On May 05 2015 07:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
It does concern me a bit that Javert is voting for him but I find it harder to justify that yamato could be town at this rate.


Why does that concern you?


Because of your suspect behavior around sandroba's lynch and your claim being one of the more dubious ones.


My suspect behavior around sandroba's lynch? I voted yamato d1... o.0

And how is my claim dubious at all I am confirmed telling the truth about 1 of my 2 abilities and I would never lie about the other ability and then put town in a position to easily prove me wrong like I did d2.


I explained it earlier and even marv agreed with the mini-case. However it's not conclusive, there are also arguments for you being town.

Btw wait... You used your damage thing on me D1? When was the damage dealt to me actually?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:38 GMT
#5553
On May 05 2015 07:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 07:35 Xatalos wrote:
It's a bit weird that his win condition was never revealed but oh well :/

Anyone else took damage?

Well if you didn't see I took 1 damage.


Slightly weird.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:41 GMT
#5555
Hm there's probably still 2 scum left. I hope we can lynch one today to reduce their KP. If HF had KP then we're at least safe from that now I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:45 GMT
#5558
On May 05 2015 07:41 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 07:37 Xatalos wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:34 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:29 Inspector Javert wrote:
On May 05 2015 07:27 Xatalos wrote:
It does concern me a bit that Javert is voting for him but I find it harder to justify that yamato could be town at this rate.


Why does that concern you?


Because of your suspect behavior around sandroba's lynch and your claim being one of the more dubious ones.


My suspect behavior around sandroba's lynch? I voted yamato d1... o.0

And how is my claim dubious at all I am confirmed telling the truth about 1 of my 2 abilities and I would never lie about the other ability and then put town in a position to easily prove me wrong like I did d2.


I explained it earlier and even marv agreed with the mini-case. However it's not conclusive, there are also arguments for you being town.

Btw wait... You used your damage thing on me D1? When was the damage dealt to me actually?


I explained this to you before I haven't been responsible for any damage caused to anyone in this game.

n1 I picked you and marv for the amateur fight for d2. Marv was picked for the main fight d2 so the amateur fight was canceled.

n2 I picked vivax and sepu for the amateur fight d3. Sepu was picked for the main fight d3 so the amateur fight was canceled.

If one of my fighters gets chosen for the main fight then the amateur fight is canceled. One of my fighters was chosen for the main fight both days.


OK I didn't follow the role talk earlier too closely. Thanks for the clarification.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:51 GMT
#5561
Hm I think yamato pretty much needs to go at this point. He's had zero interest in anything remotely related to helping town for the longest time.

As for the fight... Maybe Chezinu? He's had zero interest so far as well. Could easily be scum or 3P.

Not sure on the second one yet.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:52 GMT
#5563
On May 05 2015 07:51 yamato77 wrote:
why am I mafia again?


Are you complaining about rolling scum? That's how I read it first hahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:53 GMT
#5564
On May 05 2015 07:51 indignant wrote:
Annoying. I took 0 damage it seems.

And how people conclude that HF disappearing means he is/was 3p is beyond me. If a 3p reaches his win condition what usually happens is that this is mentioned in the daypost and he is flipped like everyone else.
My conclusion is either there is some rolestuff going on and disappearing does not equal dying which would be supported by the fact that there was an extra announcement for this or that he got janitored in some way.


Why is not taking damage annoying btw?

Dunno about HF really.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:57 GMT
#5568
HF still appears alive in the OP?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:58 GMT
#5570
Who did you think of putting to fight indignant?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:58 GMT
#5571
On May 05 2015 07:57 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 07:57 Xatalos wrote:
HF still appears alive in the OP?

So do the others. It is not updated.


hmkay yea
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 22:59 GMT
#5573
Scum has really been roflstomped this game though if/when yamato flips red.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 23:01 GMT
#5574
In that case it's a bit unbelievable already that Breshke would be scum too. He was basically the only alternative wagon to yamato/sandroba D1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 23:01 GMT
#5575
Then again if yamato really is scum they've had pretty much zero thread presence all game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 23:05 GMT
#5577
Hm I kind of don't want to kill LS or Stutters atm. Both have something going for them, mostly some spontaneous / potentially genuine stuff related to their roles and such.

Not really sicklucker either... Or myself or indignant. Not sure about Damdred and Javert atm.

Maybe Chezinu+OWS would be okay for the fight.... hm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 04 2015 23:05 GMT
#5578
On May 05 2015 08:03 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 08:01 Xatalos wrote:
In that case it's a bit unbelievable already that Breshke would be scum too. He was basically the only alternative wagon to yamato/sandroba D1.

Do you think Breshke is scum?


Not really sure about him atm either
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 00:04 GMT
#5598
Going to sleep as well now but yamato you could start by looking into ObiWanShinobi, Javert and Breshke. Maybe you'll notice something new there.

Why not into Stutters, LightningStrike and Damdred as well I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 00:06 GMT
#5599
Reading Chezinu is probably a waste of time and indignant & sicklucker are pretty high on the townie scale IMO so there isn't that much use in reading those three for the time being.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 09:52 GMT
#5685
Tinfoils are nice and all but I think I'm the one closest to role-confirmed right now. What I mean is Fecalfeast delivering his KP to me (not 100% certain but close to it) and me pushing mainly scum every day so far. Not sure how one post overwrote all that.

Not to mention that I'm not even sure what's scummy about the post? Yamato had clearly not been following the game so I just gave him the filters of the 3 most interesting/suspicious players followed by 3 people in the nullish category. You can ignore the latter players if you will.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 09:53 GMT
#5686
Lol @ Chez
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 09:55 GMT
#5687
On May 05 2015 14:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yamato has more going for him than I do at this juncture tbh.


This was a nice post if you're scum >.>

Who has less going for him than you then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 09:59 GMT
#5688
On May 05 2015 13:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 13:03 Damdred wrote:
So what are your thoughts then ls?

Well if Yamato is town Xata is likely town since he got hit by a shit ton of kp early on stutters would be my only real scumread I had listed my reasons why he was scum in my filter. Also the roleblock stuff still kinda confusing regarding rsoultin Night 2 but it's possible that there is a jailkeeper like role for town and used it on rsoultin Night 2.


How is my alignment related to yamato's btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 10:04 GMT
#5689
On May 05 2015 10:49 Damdred wrote:
Ignore my posts about dmg. I'm just trying to think outloud just going to read filters.

Damdred
Jat
Breshke
Xata
Obi
Sl/LS
Bats
Yamato

Chez(?)

Is where I'm at now, going to try to reread the game a bit to see anything. Or at least d1.




Reasonably close to my thoughts. Why are OWS and Breshke so relatively high though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 10:08 GMT
#5690
Hm. Maybe Chezinu+Javert would be a decent idea for the fight.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:01 GMT
#5691
I guess Yamato didn't bother to do anything after all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:02 GMT
#5692
On May 05 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Btw Damdred, I think I know what you're talking about in regards to Xatalos being a deep mafia.

You were referencing the post where he told yamato to look at way too many people, yes?


Another one... Still don't get this argument.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:09 GMT
#5693
We don't have any investigative roles left? I guess there's still Shining's incoming check...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:16 GMT
#5694
This D1 vote situation still slightly points to Yamato being town :/ There's already 3 confirmed scum who voted for Yamato during the day. No scum has been shown to vote for sandroba yet, however.

On April 28 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

sandroba (9): Holyflare, Xatalos, Holyflare, Holyflare, sicklucker, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Koshi, yamato77, Stutters695, Holyflare, Breshke, rsoultin, The Shining, indignant
yamato77 (6): marvellosity, Vivax, rsoultin, Stutters695, indignant, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, sandroba, Inspector Javert
Breshke (2): Koshi, ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu, sicklucker, Jean Valjean
Inpsector Javert (2): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast
Holyflare (0): Koshi, Koshi, sandroba
rsoultin (1): Fecalfeast, Sepulchre
Sepulchre (0): rsoultin
LightningStrike (0): Breshke
Vivax (0): Inspector Javert
marvellosity (0): Koshi, sicklucker, Inspector Javert, Koshi
Koshi (0): Holyflare
sicklucker (0): marvellosity, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
Xatalos (0): Koshi

Not voted (2): rygart, Damdred,

Given the current vote count, sandroba is most likely to be knocked out.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:20 GMT
#5695
I almost feel just like lynching Javert or LS based on that lynch... Javert mostly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 12:20 GMT
#5696
Well I'll be back later. Gl hf
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 15:44 GMT
#5751
What's with the vote Javert?

In any case I'm fine with the Yamato lynch. It's also true that it would shine some new light on the events of D1, more so than any other flip actually.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 05 2015 15:46 GMT
#5752
On May 06 2015 00:15 Damdred wrote:
I think someone asked me why breshke is so high up, I think its very likely Jean checked him. And his play while uninspiring I don't see a lot of scum motivation in it at this point


Higher than me for those reasons, really? >.>

My feelings are hurt.
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Xatalos
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May 05 2015 15:47 GMT
#5753
Btw being disinterested is a scum motivation more so than a town motive.
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May 05 2015 15:49 GMT
#5754
Also as indignant said... There's probably a check-altering role left with this many cops (Godfather or Framer).
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Xatalos
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May 05 2015 16:05 GMT
#5756
On May 05 2015 22:59 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 21:16 Xatalos wrote:
This D1 vote situation still slightly points to Yamato being town :/ There's already 3 confirmed scum who voted for Yamato during the day. No scum has been shown to vote for sandroba yet, however.

On April 28 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

sandroba (9): Holyflare, Xatalos, Holyflare, Holyflare, sicklucker, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Koshi, yamato77, Stutters695, Holyflare, Breshke, rsoultin, The Shining, indignant
yamato77 (6): marvellosity, Vivax, rsoultin, Stutters695, indignant, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, sandroba, Inspector Javert
Breshke (2): Koshi, ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu, sicklucker, Jean Valjean
Inpsector Javert (2): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast
Holyflare (0): Koshi, Koshi, sandroba
rsoultin (1): Fecalfeast, Sepulchre
Sepulchre (0): rsoultin
LightningStrike (0): Breshke
Vivax (0): Inspector Javert
marvellosity (0): Koshi, sicklucker, Inspector Javert, Koshi
Koshi (0): Holyflare
sicklucker (0): marvellosity, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
Xatalos (0): Koshi

Not voted (2): rygart, Damdred,

Given the current vote count, sandroba is most likely to be knocked out.
The voting thread is located here.
Countdown:


I hate that we are doing the work right now because today is the day all those lazy fuckers should step it up. No excuse not to anymore.
So, about that votecount: It is not correct. I was the last one to vote sandro. Jean and damdred both voted before me. FF also voted yamato at some point btw.

Regardless, what does it tell us? Well, it is only relevant if yamato is town. Which is cool because if yamato doesn't play today we just lynch him and know.
So, let's assume yamato is town. I will also assume without doublechecking that scum knew that at this point in time or earlier the votes weren't actually 9:6 but like 7: 7 or 7:8 depending on the hidden vote/sandros other abilities. So there was hope for sandro since they couldn't know if the townies left would vote yamato or sandro.
So the votes of bats, Obi and Chez still look really really bad. BUT we also know now that Sep was town. So if scum wanted to save sandro they were probably waiting and looking if that really makes sense. -> off wagon people OR people who were on sandro early. Voting sandro late was a bad idea since a switch just can't be justified that well. Not to mention that at this point all late voters are basically confirmed town except for maybe damdred.

sandroba (9): Holyflare, Xatalos, Holyflare, Holyflare, sicklucker, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Koshi, yamato77, Stutters695, Holyflare, Breshke, rsoultin, The Shining, indignant
yamato77 (6): marvellosity, Vivax, rsoultin, Stutters695, indignant, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, sandroba, Inspector Javert
Breshke (2): Koshi, ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu, sicklucker, Jean Valjean
Inpsector Javert (2): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast
Holyflare (0): Koshi, Koshi, sandroba
rsoultin (1): Fecalfeast, Sepulchre
Sepulchre (0): rsoultin
LightningStrike (0): Breshke
Vivax (0): Inspector Javert
marvellosity (0): Koshi, sicklucker, Inspector Javert, Koshi
Koshi (0): Holyflare
sicklucker (0): marvellosity, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
Xatalos (0): Koshi

Not voted (2): rygart, Damdred


That's not very enlightening because it only leads to the same suspects we had either way.

Chez voted off wagon, no real effort to figure out the game.
Obi voted off wagon, actively tried to push the lynch away from sandroba multiple times. 2 really fucking suspicious reads on people that are now confirmed scum (sandro, Vivax). Relatively low effort.
Bats voted the wrong wagon. Personally I think the timing is not as suspicious as it looks though. Play generally more or less in line with town meta. There is the argument about how his vote for yamato makes no sense considering that Vivax and marv were on the same wagon though.
LS voted the wrong wagon. Could just be sheeping though. Don't know what to make of him.

So, who could be scum on the sandro wagon?

Xatalos: Really doubt it. You can start worrying if he survives like 3 more nights but otherwise this guy is town or at least not scum.
SL: Was awfully certain about sandroba. Could be a bus - he does that day1 all the time. His strong push for sandro is generally more or less the thing that makes him townread. Did not put in any effort during the last days. Some other minor reasons to townread him though. Like making FF heal me.
Stutters: Could be scum. Since sep was town his yolo play is really really scumfavored. Low effort too.
Breshke: Probably greenchecked+cancelled the fight. Very low effort though and we still had no mafia role that fucks with copchecks flip even though there are tons of cops.
Damdred: Confirmed rb at this point - sadly not confirmed town. Rbs night 1 are still very weird. Hammered sandro though. And marv said he had a strong townread on him/defended him multiple times which is the only reason I have been so lenient on him. I did not understand that read at the time at all. Either marv has some sort of godread on him or he same checked him with SL/Breshke.

So, I think my conclusion is that at least for today I don't want to touch Xatalos, Damdred and Sicklucker. Maybe we let chez live for another day to see what's up with HF.
The rest should step it up if they do not want to be part of the fight today.


I mostly agree. Good point that Stutters play was really scum-favored since Sep was town (and HF probably still is lol).

I'd point out that Marv was a parity cop - he couldn't have had any results in time before he died I think.
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Xatalos
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May 05 2015 16:06 GMT
#5758
Maybe Chezinu+Stutters to the fight... Dunno.
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Xatalos
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May 05 2015 16:08 GMT
#5760
Oh damn I misread Marv's role all this time. Did you have some idea who he compared?
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 10:36 GMT
#5984
I recall someone saying that we won't be getting The Shining's check but can't find that post. What was that about?
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 10:45 GMT
#5985
On May 06 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 06 2015 07:41 Damdred wrote:
I just thought of something bah humbug i'm going to be upset with obi during night cycle I think


?


We won't be getting shinings check tonight because ehs on top of the player list when he died


Here it is... How come?
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 10:48 GMT
#5986
On May 06 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
N1: HF takes 6 damage (factional kp assumption)
FF is tracked to Xatalos and Rsoultin (rolecheck possible on Rsoultin)
Rsoultin is hit for 2 dmg and Roleblocked (Matches up to my ability and not Vivax roleblock)
Xatalos is hit for 12 Dmg
Indignant is hit for 12 dmg
Marv is hit for 7 Dmg
Vivax claims 2 dmg and roleblocked (Damdred claims this block)

D2: Jat is healed by FF for an unspecified amount
FF is flipped
JAT takes 3 random dmg at eod

N2: Rsoultin Is Roleblocked and takes 0 dmg (?)
Sepu takes 2 dmg and Roleblock (Damdred claims dmg) Stutters redirects dmg from HF PGO to Sepu for 6-7 (?) HF claims dmg is missing.
HF takes 8 dmg (Stutters claims)
JAT receives 6 Dmg
Breshke receives dmg
Shining receives 6 dmg
Marv receives 12 dmg (?)
(Marv Dies)

D3: Vivax is flipped roleblocker
Sepu faints mysteriously
Shining takes 3 dmg randomly eod

N3: HF disappears from game
Damdred takes 3 dmg
Rsoultin takes at least 10 dmg (?)
Shining takes at least 3 dmg
Lightninstrike takes 1 dmg
Yamato Roleblocked and takes 2 dmg

Actually I take back what I said about stutters st this point I just got my spreadsheet and I think it partially clears him. I corrected it and put in the correct Marv dmg. I want to point something out though.

N1- 5 Mafia Faction don
N2- 4 Mafia Faction done
N3- 2 Mafia Faction accounted for

The pattern is off. We are either missing a mafia KP or we are missing a third party action.

We should lynch Yamato today


Hm so you assume that you roleblocked the factional KP that yamato was carrying... I guess it's plausible. This would mean that there's possibly still 3 scum left...? (3 scum KP overall)
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May 06 2015 11:14 GMT
#5988
True
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 11:28 GMT
#5989
I guess it's a slight point against yamato though.
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 14:22 GMT
#5999
Oh now I see the reasoning. Well, let's hope for the best anyway.

yamato tends to roll over and die more likely as scum from my experience so there's that too.
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 14:27 GMT
#6000
When I last played with town yamato he at least tried to do stuff when under pressure. As scum he rarely does much of anything IMO.
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May 06 2015 20:11 GMT
#6031
I hope it doesn't mean a new win condition or something >.>
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:28 GMT
#6084
Lol yeah the scumteam is pretty #rekt this game.

So who wants to organize the fight?
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May 06 2015 22:29 GMT
#6085
HF maybe since you have the PGO thingy? I doubt scum will kill you tonight.
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:30 GMT
#6086
Hm we didn't get The Shining's check? Or was that just at the end of night..
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:30 GMT
#6089
Anyways going to sleep soon, fun times
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:31 GMT
#6090
On May 07 2015 07:30 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 07:29 Xatalos wrote:
HF maybe since you have the PGO thingy? I doubt scum will kill you tonight.

LOL


You know the other mafia is apart of The Gym right?


and?
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:32 GMT
#6093
Wait... You mean that the remaining scum are Gym members? Where did you get that info?
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:40 GMT
#6100
On May 07 2015 07:33 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 07:32 Xatalos wrote:
Wait... You mean that the remaining scum are Gym members? Where did you get that info?

Logistics. Only one mafia gym member has fallen. It would be too town favored if that wasn't the case.


Right.......

Dunno if I really buy that argument. For all we know we could have 2+ more scum or several 3P. That's not really required as far as I can see.
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May 06 2015 22:41 GMT
#6101
On May 07 2015 07:40 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 07:28 Xatalos wrote:
So who wants to organize the fight?

Same as always. If you want a fight vote me.


HF seems a bit more likely to survive though :/
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Xatalos
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May 06 2015 22:46 GMT
#6108
Hm.. Hm...

Well there's time to decide anyways. Now good night
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Xatalos
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May 07 2015 17:20 GMT
#6264
##Vote indignant

I guess that's fine. Just gotta hope you actually can survive the night :/
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Xatalos
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May 07 2015 17:28 GMT
#6265
On May 07 2015 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay guys I found something interesting about Stutters meta which he busses his teammates as Mafia in 3 of his games as scum and OMGUS scumread a person in 1 game and here the quote of his OMGUS read on Waveofshadow in Basterd Mini Mafia:
On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT
On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:
On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?
On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.



Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again .

Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

but on the other hand after looking through his town games he post less as town than scum and had similar process in his reads to this game too esp his latest game when he tunneled someone so in conclusion: He TOTES TOWN Yamato on the other hand needs to step up and so far failed to deliver his promise.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato77


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On May 06 2015 08:21 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 06 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote:
Actually I think we have to lynch Yamato and stutters

No we don't lynch Stutters we lynch Yamato. Stutters has been known as a infrequent poster regardless of his alignment from my research into his meta.


These ones, they look super weird, especially as all you're now using is posting activity to decide his alignment. The entire mafia team has been afk so obviously stutters inactivity could be explained by that but you skip right past it and say he's totes town for it instead. It's kind of a superficial read that looks like you wanted to blend into what people thought.


Hm... Maybe. I remember doing a similar thing as scum once where I tried so hard to justify a townread that I just looked at one of his past games and made an (actually incorrect) conclusion from his filter. Nobody bothered to check if what I was saying was correct and it somehow made me look better all the same.
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Xatalos
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May 07 2015 17:29 GMT
#6266
On May 07 2015 23:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 23:00 Holyflare wrote:
What's up!

The sky.


Actually just Half the Sky.
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Xatalos
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May 07 2015 18:14 GMT
#6275
On May 08 2015 02:48 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:20 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote indignant

I guess that's fine. Just gotta hope you actually can survive the night :/

Would I lie to you?


It's a game of lying after all
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Xatalos
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May 07 2015 18:16 GMT
#6276
Would be nice to hear how the content is different yeah.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:25 GMT
#6367
I took some amount of damage but I blocked it all (so dunno how much). Silly scum/3P :D

Has someone kept track of the different player positions? I'd like to see that pattern as well as if there are other patterns to be seen.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:26 GMT
#6368
I'll just say that you probably can't kill me before killing yourself first.
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:29 GMT
#6369
And how much dmg had OWS taken? Should we lynch him or just put him to fight...
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:34 GMT
#6373
The message I got was roughly just "You dodged and countered."
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:36 GMT
#6375
It could be some small dmg ability (1-3?) or then a factional KP (6?). Impossible to say from that.
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:38 GMT
#6378
hm?
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:41 GMT
#6380
I guess there's also the fact that indignant was pushing for OWS to be lynched at night and was attacked even when he said that he can't die... Slightly in favor of OWS being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#6382
On May 08 2015 10:41 sicklucker wrote:
chez is my roles best friend in the manga.Just like in this game! We are always going to be town with are other best friend already flipping mafia to stop mass claiming


I really don't get why a name makes someone town/scum/3P. One of the biggest "good guys" already flipped scum. I don't think there's any reason to assume that more "good guy" scum flips can't happen, especially when town already has this many (named) roles... Seems only fair for the scumteam.

Btw my name is Miyata Ichiro. If you've read the manga you probably know him
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 01:47 GMT
#6383
On May 08 2015 10:41 Damdred wrote:
Honestly the people I would be ok with killing off are

Obi
Bats
Stutters
LS

We can get two-three of those dead today.

Then we have the next group of
Xata and Breshke

after that we lose, the rest of the game I have a solid reason to not want to lynch them completely.

And yea xata you could very well be 3rd party at this juncture


Pretty much. Although I'd replace you with my name there

Still getting a small paranoia that HF could be 3P or something but he's certainly not an immediate worry.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 08 2015 01:49 GMT
#6384
##Vote ObiWanShinobi
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 08 2015 01:50 GMT
#6386
May we see again tomorrow.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 08 2015 01:52 GMT
#6387
On May 08 2015 10:50 Damdred wrote:
Why don't we just kill obi in a fight it will let us lynch someone else to.

Also your bio sounds more like a 3p than a good guy just by flavor haha


Haha. Well I'd say he's a "good guy" in the story even though he's a rival for Ippo. Not that flavor matters all that much when Takamura already flipped scum.
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 15:02 GMT
#6416
On May 08 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 10:44 Xatalos wrote:
On May 08 2015 10:41 sicklucker wrote:
chez is my roles best friend in the manga.Just like in this game! We are always going to be town with are other best friend already flipping mafia to stop mass claiming


I really don't get why a name makes someone town/scum/3P. One of the biggest "good guys" already flipped scum. I don't think there's any reason to assume that more "good guy" scum flips can't happen, especially when town already has this many (named) roles... Seems only fair for the scumteam.

Btw my name is Miyata Ichiro. If you've read the manga you probably know him


yes its a potential scum role tbh hes the main rival of the protaganist. But pretty much everyones a good guy in that show so im not sure. I expect your powers to be really strong tho. Have you ever fully explain them? in the manga hes known as a "counter puncher" so thats obviously your ability here

But do you like not understand that of the 4 main character 1 has flipped scum? That means the other two remaining are almost certainly gonna be town because THEY ARE TOWN AND THERES NO REASON TO MAKE THEM NOT TOWN WHEN THEY ALREADY MADE 1 OF THEM A VILLIAN TO BALANCE IT.

If nothing else aiko and my role are bascily two pees in a pod so they are likely to be the same role for that readon


I think I already mostly explained it at some point. I'd rather not say the numbers since it would make life easier for scum/3P, but let's just say that I can choose to block all damage towards me and counter the attack for X damage for an amount of time... And this ability is somewhat restricted, but not very strictly. It boils down to me being quite difficult to kill unless I'm unlucky (which I have been since I didn't use the ability N1 and got attacked, then used it N2 and it failed... then N3 I didn't use it and wasn't attacked because I WIFOMed I was going to use it in the thread, and N4 I used it successfully).
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 08 2015 15:07 GMT
#6418
On May 08 2015 22:35 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
it wasn't mafia kp damdred so bats is mafia

How the fuck do you know it wasn't mafia KP?
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:
On May 08 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
how does sl know he was healed?


mod pm same as jat both were 4hp

I don't disbelieve you since I am the one who sent the ramen to you but the pm I got when I was healed was just a HP update. It said nothing about getting healed or what item was used.
And don't even start flaming me for giving the ramen to you because there are severe limitations to this ability and its targets.
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 10:41 Damdred wrote:
Honestly the people I would be ok with killing off are

Obi
Bats
Stutters
LS

We can get two-three of those dead today.

Then we have the next group of
Xata and Breshke

after that we lose, the rest of the game I have a solid reason to not want to lynch them completely.

And yea xata you could very well be 3rd party at this juncture

If you are just talking about mafia I somewhat agree but basically anyone could be 3p. The only player I think is unlikely to be 3p is you because I don't really see why a 3p would be a rb but even that isn't impossible. HF could easily be 3p for example.

I would be really surprised if the remaining mafia wasn't in the pool you named though with outside chances of Chezinu and Breshke.

I still don't think bats is mafia (maybe I am wrong but it is what it is) and the nightactions don't indicate so either in my opinion. I probably took 6, HF says he took >4 and Xatalos also took an unknown amount. More than enough to not lynch bats today.

I say we lynch either Obi (if we have doubts he will die in the fight) or Stutters today. Fight will probably be Obi vs. LS again unless someone shows me solid reasoning for something else and even then I will probably be sorta drunk and unavailable tonight so I might not even see it.
Obi could also easily be 3p instead of scum btw. but it doesn't matter since we need to kill 3p anyways and he apparently does damage to town.


I think we'll most likely win by lynching/damaging the people in that list, yeah. At least that's the place to start from. Perhaps we should just lynch OWS today (since he's pretty much the most likely scum at this point and basically gave up already) while damaging the others. Although I think Javert had a ton of HP or something so probably he shouldn't be fighting...
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 15:09 GMT
#6419
On May 09 2015 00:06 Breshke wrote:
I really think we lunch stutters here especially if Zara countered h put on him because that means if Ls or obi is mafia they very very likely die from the fight


How much damage has OWS taken so far?
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 15:18 GMT
#6421
Hm..
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 15:19 GMT
#6422
And Stutters?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 08 2015 15:40 GMT
#6424
I guess lynching Stutters might be better then... If we can be reasonably sure that OWS will die anyway.
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 18:36 GMT
#6432
Meh... I just get the feeling from Stutters that he's more likely a townie from posts like that. I'd really rather lynch OWS today.
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Xatalos
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May 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#6433
To be more precise, from the fact that he's so open with his role usage and cooperative.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 14:36 GMT
#6494
So is it reasonable to assume that we can kill OWS just with the fights? I'd somewhat prefer to just lynch him, since there's no way to be sure about him dying without a lynch. He seems the most likely scum IMO and it'd be nice to reduce KP or even potentially win the game with that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 19:28 GMT
#6540
I guess we can afford to lynch someone else. If OWS doesn't die, he can just be lynched tomorrow.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 09 2015 19:29 GMT
#6541
Hm... Although if we assume there's 2 scum left and an anti-town 3P (not impossible), then mislynching here might prove fatal? Considering that a lot of us are already on pretty low HP....
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 19:32 GMT
#6542
A part of me just wants to take the safe route and lynch OWS.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 19:33 GMT
#6543
I guess Chezinu could also be a decent option. He's basically done nothing so far and I don't think he's even taken any damage yet? At least I don't think he's claimed any.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 09 2015 21:10 GMT
#6560
I think there's like 50min left?

In any case I'm fine with OWS too. Let's just make sure that he dies IMO.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:07 GMT
#6579
What the heck...So many flipped and none were the remaining scum/3P....
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:11 GMT
#6580
I'd assume the remaining scum is among Chezinu/Javert then. The 3P is more difficult... *maybe* HF? Then again I don't think we should worry about that for the time being.

sl/Damdred are probably town (Damdred for spending so much time trying to figure out stuff even now and sicklucker for being very open about his role etc. from early on, although he's somewhat disappeared in recent days :/)
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:12 GMT
#6582
I guess we should start from Chezinu and Javert for now.
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Xatalos
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May 09 2015 22:12 GMT
#6583
Oh and Breshke lol. Not really sure about him.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:24 GMT
#6589
On May 10 2015 07:13 Damdred wrote:
Xata does the dmg done to you reflect 100% or does only a percentage get put back on the attacker


It's a set amount of damage, not a percentage.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:26 GMT
#6592
On May 10 2015 07:25 Damdred wrote:
Is it greater than 4 but not 6


No.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 09 2015 22:31 GMT
#6597
The counter ability also applies to fights and besides that I have a "delayed death" ability somewhat similar to indignant. No post restriction though. In addition there's a passive ability that has a restriction where if I claim it I'll take 8 damage. It shouldn't really be relevant though anymore.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 09 2015 22:35 GMT
#6598
Actually even if I managed to die tonight (which would be a gamble for the attackers), I could still organize the fight, I guess.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:37 GMT
#6599
So I might as well do that. HF wouldn't probably be too bad either I guess so I'll vote for him myself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:39 GMT
#6600
Damdred could be fine too but apparently you've already taken a decent amount of damage and there's no protection for you so...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:41 GMT
#6602
:D
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:44 GMT
#6603
In any case I assume I can organize the fight even if I go to 0 HP tonight (which isn't even all so likely in itself), so I volunteer

I guess we can also decide not to organize a fight? So if need be that can also be secured.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:45 GMT
#6605
It is... The flipside is that him claiming that to make himself look more suspicious is also weird.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:53 GMT
#6610
:/
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:54 GMT
#6611
Hear that 3P? Aim at scum tonight
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#6612
Besides there might also be 1 scum 2 3P.... Or even 2 scum 2 3P LOL
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 23:02 GMT
#6616
I almost certainly can't be scum just based on The Shining's tracking of FF to me (he had no powers that could be used on a scum teammate). 3P is possible, I guess... Then again it's possible for anyone.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 09 2015 23:05 GMT
#6619
To be fair I almost forgot about Breshke a moment ago as well. Something about him is just... unmemorable? Lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 08:34 GMT
#6691
This is where I'm at atm:

Probably town:
Damdred
Breshke
(Really liked their more recent posts especially)

Probably not scum but could be 3P:
HF (would have bussed hard otherwise)

Scum/3P:
Javert (still the weird 3 damage thing, weird behaviour around D1 lynch etc.)
Chezinu (no idea, but yeah process of elimination...)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 08:37 GMT
#6692
Wtf really... And now I forgot to mention sl. I guess he's a bit in the nullish category for me now, around the same as HF. Not really impressed with him at all lately, but then again, there's his open usage of a gift role..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 08:39 GMT
#6693
But yeah maybe I'll just vote for Damdred now myself. Apparently he was hard to kill. I think I'm probably the best choice now, though, considering I'm likely to live and I could even as dead still handle it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 08:59 GMT
#6699
On May 10 2015 17:50 sicklucker wrote:
Xata how can you not have me as town here.


Was slightly disturbed by you saying stuff like me being scum despite it being, frankly, basically disproven so many times already. What keeps you from at least going below null/townie-leaning is your openness with your role from early on. Could have just kept it hidden if you were anti-town
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 09:15 GMT
#6703
Because I still survived the N2 attack, WIFOMed them not to attack me during N3 and then countered the N4 attack. I might get attacked again tonight but I'll have my two defensive powers (block+counter ability and delayed death) to help me so I'm not all so worried.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 10:16 GMT
#6707
On May 10 2015 18:44 Breshke wrote:
Xata how did you wifom them not to attack you N3, I don't remember that


On May 02 2015 08:45 Xatalos wrote:
I could have use for the damage thingy. My ability is basically this: I have an X amount of charges to have an X percentage chance of dealing a great amount of damage to whoever attacks me + blocking the attack. I didn't use it N1 (didn't imagine I'd be a priority target), used it N2 (but it failed) and I'm going to use it again tonight. If I get the damage thingy, it's more likely that the potential attacker dies. It's fine even if I'm not attacked too. It just means I get to live until tomorrow.


Didn't use it N3 though Hehe
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 10:21 GMT
#6710
:O
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 10:22 GMT
#6711
Vote me for promoter though I guess you can cancel it anyway if you like. Better to have two people responsible for the participants rather than just one?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 14:21 GMT
#6726
Javert seems like the way to go for lynch. He also said that he has a lot of HP so probably putting him into a fight isn't the best idea. Then I guess it should be Chezinu and... HF? These three kind of seem like the most likely to be scum (or 3P). Damdred, Breshke, me and sicklucker all have reasons for being town (or at least not scum).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 15:55 GMT
#6731
I guess we could just avoid having a fight. I'd certainly like to damage Javert+Chezinu but dunno about HF. In the worst case he might die, flip town -> we lose or something.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 10 2015 15:55 GMT
#6732
Or maybe just Javert vs Chezinu.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 16:23 GMT
#6736
Apparently you must organize a fight so... Javert vs Chezinu it is I guess.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 10 2015 16:52 GMT
#6742
Ah yeah there's the cancel... Well that should probably be the fight regardless of it being completed or not.

Who is this mysterious "last mafia"?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 10 2015 16:53 GMT
#6743
No words...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 10 2015 17:08 GMT
#6746
Huh?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 10 2015 17:17 GMT
#6748
Oh. lol
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 15:26 GMT
#6850
My HP was reduced by 1... I didn't receive a message that my counter failed though so apparently I wasn't attacked at all? I assume there's some kind of an ability to deal damage without visiting people then :/ That means we kind of have a time limit to finish the game because I'll die eventually with that thing. Well, I guess it might already be LYLO/MYLO now so that's not even the biggest danger.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 15:36 GMT
#6852
I just sent the message to organize a fight between Javert and Chezinu (I guess it can be changed if there's an actual need though). I think those two are the most likely to flip scum/3P right now (everyone else has something going for them and they haven't really done anything useful especially recently) and with so many of us on low HP right now, we basically need to lynch correctly today to reduce incoming KP. That's why I almost certainly won't consider lynching anyone else today.

Javert seems like the better choice simply because he's done genuinely scummy things like resisting to lynch sandroba/yamato and finally ending on yamato (probably the lesser loss for the scumteam). I think he's almost certainly the remaining scum. The 3P is most likely Chezinu or HF but I'd rather just lynch Javert - a better chance for reducing KP and just avoiding a loss.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#6853
So yeah, overall I'd say we just lynch Javert.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 15:38 GMT
#6854
##Vote Inspector Javert
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 15:43 GMT
#6856
About the RB thing... I think it's not good to not-push Javert just because RB'ing him hasn't apparently caused disruptions in KP delivery. It could well be that scum RB can't be interrupted when they're few enough in numbers, or he has an ability not to be interrupted when delivering KP? I guess it makes it slightly less likely for him to be scum but still the most likely out of anyone.

*Maybe* I could consider Chezinu instead....... It's just I have 0% idea how to read him so it'd be basically an RNG lynch (with some help from process of elimination).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 15:44 GMT
#6857
*scum KP
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 15:46 GMT
#6858
On May 12 2015 00:42 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2015 00:31 Holyflare wrote:
So who are you putting in the fight mr promoter?

Also bats I'm saying you think damdred is mafia but why as mafia would he claim all the kp hit him and still push you?? Why wouldn't he just say no kp hit him when he rb'd you and you must be mafia instead?


He can't because I was rbed yesterday too. He can't just say the rb worked one day and then the rb didn't work the next day.

But yeah maybe him taking damage does clear him I didn't actually read that before I voted him. It still doesn't make sense for him to scum read me after rbing me TWICE and knowing kp still got through both times.


You being RB'd doesn't really clear you IMO. Honestly it'd feel a bit too harsh on scum if their only remaining member was RB'd and no KP went through. Like... An RBer would act as a Cop+RBer then and we already had many, many cops.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 15:48 GMT
#6859
Well I'll have to check out the other game too but I'll drop by this thread when I can tonight. Anything specially important for the time being to talk about?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 15:51 GMT
#6861
On May 12 2015 00:43 Xatalos wrote:
About the RB thing... I think it's not good to not-push Javert just because RB'ing him hasn't apparently caused disruptions in KP delivery. It could well be that scum RB can't be interrupted when they're few enough in numbers, or he has an ability not to be interrupted when delivering KP? I guess it makes it slightly less likely for him to be scum but still the most likely out of anyone.

*Maybe* I could consider Chezinu instead....... It's just I have 0% idea how to read him so it'd be basically an RNG lynch (with some help from process of elimination).

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 11 2015 16:27 GMT
#6867
Back. Had to be AFK a bit.

Breshke... I've kind of liked his posting in recent days. I'll check what you wrote on him, might have missed something.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:34 GMT
#6870
I think it's kind of a WIFOM argument that he would have used his power to save townies for credibility. I guess it's possible... Maybe, since it'd be just saving 5 HP or so, not their lives. Still the simpler answer is just that he did it because he's town IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:39 GMT
#6871
So your assumption is something like that you can't block factional KP delivery, just other abilities like the random 3 damages etc. going around? I guess that would seem reasonably fair for the scumteam considering the huge amount of blue roles we have.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:42 GMT
#6874
On May 11 2015 09:55 Chezinu wrote:
Dear everybodies,

You all know that everyone would be glad if I won the game as 3P versus anyone else here. That is why Chez should live. It is best to lose against Chez than any other 3P. The second best 3P to lose against is HF. That is why he should live, cause fun!

SL died... He never got the bucket of water..

since he was modkilled... no one has the towel now...


... I think Chezinu just needs a policy lynch though. It's too bad we don't have a Vigi.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:49 GMT
#6879
On May 10 2015 15:41 Breshke wrote:
Okay so i think this is where im going to be starting.

Inspector Javert - Could be scum/3p

Chezinu - Could be scum/3p

sicklucker - Could be 3p, I don't really think it is possible for him to be scum because looking at his herbs list I don't see how if he was scum he wouldn't jsut give them all to scummates since he already gave one to FF. I say he could be thrid party but it seems kind of out there since he obviously has this present giving like ability so if he is just meant to outlast everyone I don't see how we would ever catch him like ehh very very likely town.

Holyflare - could be 3p. something doesn't really add up for his early play when he first wanted fight prometer and said he would trade one for one with mafia yet when stutters redirected the damage of his pgo thing it only came out to be like damage which HF would know there isn't enough to kill someone since he obviously has more than 8 hp himself since stutters hit him for 8.

Xatalos - could be 3p. Scum go tracked to delivering kp to him which is like 99% sure so very very very unlikely he is scum.

Damdred - TOWN. Has very very likely roleblocked scum KP multiple times dont really see how he could be 3p

How are you even ment to catch 3p roles? I legit don't get it don't they just play the same as town. Like xata if he is third party either took a massive risk with mafia killing him because he has been townie most of the game but maybe he thought his ability would protect him enough idk whereas HF had his PGO dont target me thing which would be a good cover.

So yeah

TOWN
Damdred
SL
Xata (3p?)
HF(3p?)

Scum/3p
Bats
Chez

I don't even really have reasons for bats/chez being scum other than PoE.


Hm... I think this is the post that made me think "probably town" at the time. I basically agreed with everything he said there. It's not just a listpost either, there's some nice analysis and conclusions in there.

Only just Javert being scum only based on PoE... :/ Well to be honest that's a big part of why I think he's scum too. Another is his D1 behaviour and then there was maybe that weird 3 KP thing, not so sure about that argument though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#6880
Hahaha if that's not a host mistake... Really bad play from him to reveal his hand so early.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 16:54 GMT
#6884
Tbh it's more about *how* people have used roles rather than just setup speculation or something. I think it's pretty valid stuff. For example sl being town for using his role so transparently.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:02 GMT
#6888


It's been a while so I might be confused on some timings.

I guess it's not completely impossible for him to be "deep scum" playing very cleanly and even sacrificing his team's damage to make himself look better. I've done something like that myself before. It's just a matter of priorities. Would you want to gamble everything on that when we have people like Javert (doing scum-favored things and not really anything constructive that I can remember) or Chezinu (not doing anything and even hinting at being some sort of 3P)...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 17:03 GMT
#6890
On May 12 2015 02:01 Half the Sky wrote:
The latest votecount was an error on my part. It has been fixed (page 344).


>.>
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:04 GMT
#6891
Well that would have been too easy hahaha
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 11 2015 17:05 GMT
#6893
I really should read the Assassination Mafia too though. Anything you want to talk about quickly?
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:09 GMT
#6896
Hm......
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:10 GMT
#6897
You really think we should lynch Breshke over Javert today? I admit it's a bit hard to accept that.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:11 GMT
#6900
Not really sure what this means?

"I don't see how it's a gamble when he did those things on n1 and d2??? How on earth is he supposed to know what bats and chezinu are going to do in 3 or 4 cycles time??"
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:15 GMT
#6903
I meant that it'd be a gamble to lynch Breshke when he has a reasonable chance of being town over people who are very likely not-town IMO (Javert / Chezinu).
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:17 GMT
#6905
We'd be basically screwed if Breshke was scum and Javert+Chezinu 3P haha... I think we'd probably just be lost already when we've all taken so much dmg already?
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:18 GMT
#6907
I think me, you and Damdred are all on pretty low HP while they're still quite high or something? Yeah :/
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 17:25 GMT
#6908
Well there's still quite a bit of time. Now I gotta check out the other game finally.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#6939
Hm... I don't see why he'd resort to claiming 3P as scum here. Could be a very, very desperate attempt but... If he's just something closer to a Survivor it would explain Damdred's RB not doing anything as well... I think it'd be safe to assume he's 3P here, the problem is if he really can win with town and doesn't do anything anti-town as a 3P.

Currently still leaning towards lynching him. He might well be the one dealing the random small damages or something.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 19:11 GMT
#6940
Maybe not. It'd make less sense for Damdred's ability to fail in blocking a specific ability like that compared to a factional KP.
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 19:13 GMT
#6941
Still he could well have a 6 dmg KP that doesn't get blocked. I think it's a bit hard not to lynch a confirmed not-town....
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 20:39 GMT
#6982
I still think we should probably just lynch Javert but we can decide that tomorrow.

I'll go check the other game again and then to sleep. glhf
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 21:00 GMT
#6989
It's currently Javert vs Chezinu. Convince me quickly that it should be Breshke vs Chezinu. (IMO Breshke could still well be town and damaging him now could lead to losing the game... there's no way Javert is town and Chezinu is pretty likely 3P at this point)
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 21:03 GMT
#6992
Really? Wasn't the deadline like 24h from the day start?
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 21:05 GMT
#6995
Hm... Well it's fine anyway. Anything else before I go?
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Xatalos
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May 11 2015 21:13 GMT
#6996
Well night
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 15:02 GMT
#7048
HF: I've just been way too busy during the last couple of days. This can be seen by the fact that I've been AFK for long periods of time also in my other Mafia game and even in a Diplomacy game that's running at the same time... Frankly I've taken too much to chew with all these games + IRL stuff at the moment. I even skipped an IRL event I had promised to go to this evening (a Resistance board game party) so that I could get some time to catch up with all this stuff :/

I still think Javert is the better lynch. He's confirmed to be scum/3P and I think it's pretty likely he's anti-town (as shown by his anti-town play, especially targeting townie posters with dmg and not wanting to lynch scum specifically at D1 deadline). Someone also said that it wouldn't make much sense to have a (at least purely) town-sided 3P. In all likelihood he's pro-scum (scum/3P) or alignment-neutral (SK/Survivor-type 3P). In both cases we want to lynch him now. There's also the fact that he only claimed when you said that a 3P claim could save him. It's not too far-fetched that he would take that chance as scum when the votes were piling on him.

Breshke, on the other hand, *could* be scum/3P (still not sold on that) but there's at least a reasonable chance of him being town. Even you must see that. So I really just don't think we should lynch someone with a chance to be not-town when there's someone confirmed not-town with perhaps a small chance of being able to win with town.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 15:04 GMT
#7049
Ask any questions / make arguments in the meanwhile, but I'll be catching up with the Assassination game for a while now.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 15:40 GMT
#7050
Can't help but having noticed the ninja vote Damdred? What's up with that?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 16:15 GMT
#7054
What's going on really? Could you at least explain that vote?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 16:40 GMT
#7058
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 16:41 GMT
#7059
Well if Damdred doesn't take that back, it's no use anyway. I thought Damdred pretty much had to be town but.... Just what? Him being scum with Javert? If that's the case then it's probably over....
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:12 GMT
#7069
Honestly I don't see any other explanation for this than Damdred+Javert being scum and Damdred going all-in for the win. Chezinu is probably some sort of 3P and they're just hoping to finish the game with this or something?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:12 GMT
#7070
HF why did you have to vote for Breshke :/
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:16 GMT
#7073
Damdred has been steadily dropping in effort as well.......... I guess it makes sense.

Damn it.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:17 GMT
#7074
On May 13 2015 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
Well it could be damdred/chezinu and damdred just voted with me without reading the thread because i was on breshke last night?


I guess it could be that as well... And Javert being scum-aligned 3P?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:20 GMT
#7077
Chezinu, if you're town, vote for Javert. Or Javert if you can win with town, could you consider someone else than Breshke?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 17:36 GMT
#7080
Well he kind of has to be if Damdred just ninjavotes him like it's game over and scum already won?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 17:41 GMT
#7084
On May 13 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 02:36 Xatalos wrote:
Well he kind of has to be if Damdred just ninjavotes him like it's game over and scum already won?


Disregarding that obviously.

Also,
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 02:37 Chezinu wrote:
##UnVote
##Vote Inspector Javert



>.>

Well vote Breshke quickly just to make sure it's not over? Plenty of time to change the vote if need be.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 17:41 GMT
#7085
*javert
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:42 GMT
#7087
Otherwise I'm not sure of Breshke being town, just sure of Javert not being town (and probably not town-friendly either).
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 17:57 GMT
#7091
"Being sure about a player being town" and "a player having a decent chance of being town" are different things.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 17:59 GMT
#7092
I guess we could try that if Javert/Chezinu wants to comply? Or if Breshke comes back online hopefully.

Frankly I don't see any town motivation for caring so little at this point, dropping of in effort all the way up to now and not even bothering to post when voting now.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:13 GMT
#7096
On May 13 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 02:57 Xatalos wrote:
"Being sure about a player being town" and "a player having a decent chance of being town" are different things.


So what are your reasons that he has a decent chance at being town? Pretty much what I asked for dude.


1) Saving townies from quite a bit of damage (Occam's razor says a townie act)
2) Putting in a decent amount of effort especially later on when he should be demotivated because of his failure team as scum
3) I seriously doubt there's more than 2 or 3 anti-town players left and if Breshke is one of them, I have a hard time saying that there's 1 or 2 town among Javert, Chezinu and Damdred
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:15 GMT
#7097
Damdred didn't really say much today/yesterday besides the damage speculation thing.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:18 GMT
#7099
Maybe he's fake claimed damage or something? Although then it'd be weird where some KP went.....
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:19 GMT
#7100
Hm.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:20 GMT
#7101
Well that's one big obstacle for him being scum actually.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 18:21 GMT
#7102
Dunno how to explain a townie motivation for his behaviour though.....
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 19:28 GMT
#7117
On May 13 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
If you call me scum you HAVE to explain why mafia only claimed rb and didn't rb any besides rsoultin. That's insane, and bats is still claiming rb. So s um has 3 rb and only one gets used a night? Maybe 2 on the night Sep gets hit?


I don't really understand what you're saying there?

In any case I think that nobody else claiming receiving much KP last night points to you being town. Quite heavily in fact. You should catch up with the game etc. soon though. Do you really want to lynch Breshke over confirmed not-town who clearly doesn't care about finding scum and in fact has actively played against town?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 19:34 GMT
#7121
On May 13 2015 04:30 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 04:28 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
If you call me scum you HAVE to explain why mafia only claimed rb and didn't rb any besides rsoultin. That's insane, and bats is still claiming rb. So s um has 3 rb and only one gets used a night? Maybe 2 on the night Sep gets hit?


I don't really understand what you're saying there?

In any case I think that nobody else claiming receiving much KP last night points to you being town. Quite heavily in fact. You should catch up with the game etc. soon though. Do you really want to lynch Breshke over confirmed not-town who clearly doesn't care about finding scum and in fact has actively played against town?


I hope this isn't directed at me I've town sided the entire game and I definitely care about finding scum.


...
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 19:49 GMT
#7128
Well I'd say damaging town and not contributing to lynching scum is anti-town already.... You've also anti-pushed scum.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 19:49 GMT
#7129
On May 13 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
We also probably all need to vote together btw.


Hm?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 19:50 GMT
#7131
Oh you mean there could be a last minute switch incoming... Yeah that's true. So what's your current suggestion?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 19:58 GMT
#7135
On May 13 2015 04:52 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
Well I'd say damaging town and not contributing to lynching scum is anti-town already.... You've also anti-pushed scum.


Are you serious brother?

How many times have I said it I have not damaged a single person this game. I voted on EVERY mafia wagon except Sandro because I was busy voting the other mafia yamato. I anti-pushed scum to push a different scum.

Why do you need to lie?


Well *trying* to damage town at least. And quite likely you actually have.

It's not really a feat to vote for every scum when everyone has voted for them. In hindsight your D1 behaviour isn't as bad as it seemed back then, but it's still weird at best and could easily be distancing since you voted for Vivax when nobody else really voted for him (possible future towncred + a vote away from sandroba).
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 19:58 GMT
#7136
On May 13 2015 04:54 Damdred wrote:
Just vote breshke


Are you sure?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 20:02 GMT
#7138
Where does that 3P read even come from?
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May 12 2015 20:09 GMT
#7141
That's what confused me too to be honest.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 20:09 GMT
#7142
Meh. I hope Breshke comes back before deadline.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 20:25 GMT
#7145
Trying to confirm yourself with that ability would have been highly suspicious at the very least... Not the easy choice you make it out to be.
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 20:36 GMT
#7150
On May 13 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
Xata if you are town vote with me on breshke I'm dying tonight no matter what.



I'm a bit torn, mostly because Javert has been talking so actively lately and Breshke hasn't. It's just hard to accept not lynching a confirmed not-town. In SC2 Mafia Survivor was the most common fake claim for Mafia/SK so it almost always paid off to lynch those claims.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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May 12 2015 21:04 GMT
#7157
Breshke, if you're not convinced of the final scum being Javert, then who?
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Xatalos
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May 12 2015 21:12 GMT
#7159
Or Chezinu.... But I honestly think Javert is our best bet here. The chances of him being town-sided are pretty slim IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 21:31 GMT
#7161
Yeah he did.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 21:32 GMT
#7162
Just meant that there's a pretty slim chance he would/could side with town in the end.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 21:35 GMT
#7165
>.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:36 GMT
#7167
Did he really just kill Damdred? Or joking?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:38 GMT
#7168
On May 13 2015 06:34 Breshke wrote:
He claimed 3p which can win with town


Even if he could, it doesn't mean he would.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:49 GMT
#7181
That's a real move from your character though Javert......... And the main move too.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:58 GMT
#7194
Damdred you haven't even explained why you're suddenly reading me as some 3P?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 22:03 GMT
#7203
....................Why the hell would you ever claim 3P as town? Just why....?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 12 2015 22:05 GMT
#7205
How could I ever be scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 23:12 GMT
#7219
Goodbye Damdred :/

Btw scum I still have a charge left. I'd advise you not to attack me tonight. For the benefit of us both. Or if you just want to die... go ahead I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 17:34 GMT
#7254
On May 13 2015 15:16 Breshke wrote:
Xata this is important your ability does it say when you are damaged or when you are punched. (idc if you think this is role fishing I have a followup)


What's important about it? I think I already said that I received a message along the lines of "you blocked a punch and countered" earlier.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 17:35 GMT
#7255
Btw I also block roleblocks apparently (just asked Onegu) so don't even bother :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 17:37 GMT
#7256
As far as I'm concerned, pretty much anyone could be scum at this point. Maybe not Damdred, but certainly any of Chezinu, HF or Breshke. Could someone try to explain all the role arguments in the previous threads? Because I haven't really been able to understand what's been going on with those.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 17:38 GMT
#7257
*previous pages
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 17:39 GMT
#7258
I guess the night actions will clear things up though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 18:01 GMT
#7260
Could you ELI5 that role stuff to me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 18:25 GMT
#7263
Those arguments between you and Breshke.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 20:43 GMT
#7268
On May 14 2015 04:33 Holyflare wrote:
So you're telling me you made your decision on breshke and ignored everything we wrote? No way. Absolutely no way.

Lynch this guy


I mean what you just wrote, not yesterday.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 20:52 GMT
#7271
Hmmm.... Honestly I'm pretty confused about all the night speculation. For example how are you so sure that everything adds up? Scum/3P could easily have KP abilities with limited uses, for example.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:34 GMT
#7284
So are you a 3P Chezinu?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:48 GMT
#7285
And who took the scum KP? 6 dmg I guess?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 22:50 GMT
#7287
Anyone around? Breshke? HF?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:51 GMT
#7288
On May 14 2015 07:50 Holyflare wrote:
Rb'd breshke duh


How do you know? Guessing?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:51 GMT
#7289
or did he breadcrumb
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:52 GMT
#7291
Who in their right mind would claim RB dmg though?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:54 GMT
#7295
Lol so it was you.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 22:56 GMT
#7300
Was your 3P claim a troll or how should I understand that?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:00 GMT
#7305
What's your win condition precisely Chezinu?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:01 GMT
#7306
Because I'm thinking it might be the same as mine.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:06 GMT
#7311
Hm... More precisely? Or you can't reveal it?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:07 GMT
#7313
You don't necessarily have to die HF.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:09 GMT
#7318
Lol
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:11 GMT
#7323
And?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:13 GMT
#7325
>.>
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 23:14 GMT
#7328
Not sure if I can believe you....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:15 GMT
#7331
I mean Chezinu being town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:16 GMT
#7333
So you were 3P after all?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:18 GMT
#7337
I meant that for Chezinu though
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:19 GMT
#7339
So who the heck is the scum then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:20 GMT
#7344
I guess it seems most likely.... Fine, if Chezinu is town, we can go with that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:23 GMT
#7351
Basically having either 1 townie or 1 scum left with me in the game at the start of a day. Then I would share a split victory with that faction. I'm just wondering if Chezinu really is town or not.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 23:28 GMT
#7355
That depends on how much HP he has left. I'm not very confident in being able to kill him in one night. Whereas I'm pretty sure I can kill you. My preferable plan was to get Chezinu lynched and punch you to win with scum... But I guess I'll need to risk it on Chezinu being town now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:32 GMT
#7359
Where did the scum KP disappear then when you were RB'd? :/ It's a bit hard to explain.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 13 2015 23:33 GMT
#7360
Oh actually it might have hit Damdred.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 23:36 GMT
#7362
Hmmm... HF has really put some effort into this game though.... And he would have bussed really hard if he was scum....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 23:57 GMT
#7372
On May 14 2015 08:38 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 08:36 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm... HF has really put some effort into this game though.... And he would have bussed really hard if he was scum....


Yep I don't deny that. Look at the damage I assume you've been doing each night. Then lool at the remaining abilities and the fact that I was probably green checked this game. The amount of stuff is have to be able to do is rediculous


Maybe you could have some sort of a factional pool of abilities to draw from...? Well it's a bit much regardless..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 23:58 GMT
#7373
Could it actually be Chezinu after all? His play fits much better with 3P though IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:01 GMT
#7379
On May 14 2015 08:53 Holyflare wrote:
Xata what do your powers actually do?


Basically I have a KP that also deals damage over time, and I can move around the playerlist dealing varying amounts of smaller damage. I also have an ability to counter punch like I described (successfully used once) and the same ability also applies to any fights I enter in the following day. I also have a ton of HP.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:04 GMT
#7382
On May 14 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 08:58 Xatalos wrote:
Could it actually be Chezinu after all? His play fits much better with 3P though IMO.


Then we still lynch breshke then you don't kill me and we lynch chezinu and we all win?


Would you really guarantee that you'd lynch Chezinu over me? It feels a bit risky to be honest.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:04 GMT
#7383
On May 14 2015 08:59 Breshke wrote:
Xata did you change the fight D2?

HF you obviously wouldn't need fight changing abilities since YOU were the fight promoter so you could have just chosen whatever you wanted.


Nope.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:08 GMT
#7388
Well it's true. I even clarified it with Onegu some time ago and I'm sure I've understood it right.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:10 GMT
#7390
On May 14 2015 09:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 09:04 Xatalos wrote:
On May 14 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
On May 14 2015 08:58 Xatalos wrote:
Could it actually be Chezinu after all? His play fits much better with 3P though IMO.


Then we still lynch breshke then you don't kill me and we lynch chezinu and we all win?


Would you really guarantee that you'd lynch Chezinu over me? It feels a bit risky to be honest.


You either kill me and potentially lose or don't kill me and potentially win?


Honestly I have a hard time imagining a scenario where you'd prefer to lynch Chezinu instead. Then again it's not as hard to imagine a scenario where you die and Chezinu is town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:11 GMT
#7391
On May 14 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote:
Xata did you do 2 damage to me last night?


Yeah I think so.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:12 GMT
#7393
On May 14 2015 09:09 Holyflare wrote:
Well I'll help you win then. That's an insane win con and i don't honestly care about +1ing peoples loss stats for all their modkill shit if you're lying.


How much damage has Chezinu taken so far by the way, any idea?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:14 GMT
#7395
Not really sure since the playerlist has changed so much over time xD
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:15 GMT
#7397
Wait wasn't the fight cancelled when Javert was lynched?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:16 GMT
#7398
On May 14 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Half tempted to let breshke win for actually putting in effort as mafia


Well if you want to punish town then you could always lynch Chezinu, leaving me and Breshke with a double victory?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:17 GMT
#7399
On May 14 2015 09:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 09:10 Xatalos wrote:
On May 14 2015 09:07 Holyflare wrote:
On May 14 2015 09:04 Xatalos wrote:
On May 14 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
On May 14 2015 08:58 Xatalos wrote:
Could it actually be Chezinu after all? His play fits much better with 3P though IMO.


Then we still lynch breshke then you don't kill me and we lynch chezinu and we all win?


Would you really guarantee that you'd lynch Chezinu over me? It feels a bit risky to be honest.


You either kill me and potentially lose or don't kill me and potentially win?


Honestly I have a hard time imagining a scenario where you'd prefer to lynch Chezinu instead. Then again it's not as hard to imagine a scenario where you die and Chezinu is town.


Nah i can't actually die though i have a similar ability to you.


How have you taken so much dmg then though...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:18 GMT
#7401
Gonna check myself to make sure
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:21 GMT
#7405
:/
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:22 GMT
#7406
On May 14 2015 09:21 Chezinu wrote:
So are we all going to vote for HF to switching those fight?


+ Show Spoiler +
just kidding, I have no idea what happened every night, or the changes in the playerlist, or anything of such matters. I just read random bits...


HF, you can use your ability tonight after the vote, right? If so, do it. Me and You at the end right?


Are you really sure you don't have the same win condition as me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:27 GMT
#7408
What do you mean? I just think Chezinu constantly hints at something similar with his "I *can* win with town", "let's be alone in the end" etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:33 GMT
#7413
Not really unless Chezinu also has KP.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:34 GMT
#7414
I'm still not quite sure if I understand what you're saying about your win condition.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:35 GMT
#7416
Onegu confirmed that Chezinu took the fight damage just now.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:35 GMT
#7417
On May 14 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
Ok we lynch breshke and then i kill xata and win and die with chez+town victory. I see.


Kill me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:37 GMT
#7419
Are you sure? It might do something entirely different.

And what do you mean "die with chez+town victory"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:38 GMT
#7422
lol
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:39 GMT
#7423
I must say this has been the weirdest role I've ever played as well as the weirdest endgame I've ever played.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:40 GMT
#7425
Are you sure you wouldn't rather win with me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:41 GMT
#7427
I guess it's been a fun enough game even without my first 3P win though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:42 GMT
#7428
How is that item exactly supposed to work though? Why would it kill me? Can my counter block it?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:44 GMT
#7431
Breshke you haven't voted yet btw? Don't you have any opinion on who's the last scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:45 GMT
#7434
What exactly is "claimed"? It won't work anymore right?

In fact I'm town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:48 GMT
#7436
Why don't you just kill me now then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:49 GMT
#7438
oh
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:50 GMT
#7439
So I'm already dead?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
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May 14 2015 00:51 GMT
#7441
ROFL
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:52 GMT
#7442
this game...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:54 GMT
#7444
Well if you used it on Chezinu then I guess we'd just win at deadline as well.

Unless even you're 3P hahahahahahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 00:56 GMT
#7448
On May 14 2015 09:56 Breshke wrote:
HF if youre scum I want some coaching


^
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:01 GMT
#7453
Well I guess the game is basically solved. Unless HF's scumgame has ascended to godhood.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:02 GMT
#7455
So I don't really mind.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:02 GMT
#7457
:D:D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:11 GMT
#7469
Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:14 GMT
#7473
I sure have had nothing to do with any fights besides being the Promoter once. Are you really saying you didn't do that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:20 GMT
#7482
It's very late here btw so I won't be around long for any of that stuff. So you want everyone to vote Chez?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:22 GMT
#7486
On May 14 2015 10:21 Holyflare wrote:
Xat just keep vote on breshke. I choose you.


:O
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 01:24 GMT
#7488
Well now I'll be going to sleep though... gl hf!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 12:13 GMT
#7570
I have honestly no ideat about what Chezinu's alignment at the moment... But if he's town, the item should do nothing anyway? So what's the problem Chezinu?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 12:15 GMT
#7571
And I guess it's not impossible for Mafia to have factional abilities in addition to personal abilities? I think that's been the case in one game I've played... Frankly if HF is scum there's nothing town can do anymore so probably better bet on him being town
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 12:49 GMT
#7573
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 14:27 GMT
#7574
So now we wait.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#7586
Oh lol. I can't believe you were the last scum. In any case, it's our victory then hahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:18 GMT
#7588
With or without counter? I can do 8 + 5 bleed without counter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:18 GMT
#7589
Btw you can ask Onegu that you can win with me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:19 GMT
#7591
Well we both hit Chezinu and it should be split Mafia + 3P victory. :D:D:D:D First 3P win ever too hahaha

Can't believe town lost this game
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:20 GMT
#7592
To be honest I thought Breshke was scum all the way until he flipped.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:24 GMT
#7594
Can we shorten the night if everyone agrees? I'd like to see the endgame already.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#7596
I hope you don't die to 1 dmg since that much should be spreading to you in the playerlist.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:29 GMT
#7597
Oh yeah you won't, you haven't even been attacked. Nvm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:29 GMT
#7599
Remember to vote so you don't get modkilled btw
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:30 GMT
#7600
That would be the lamest ending ever ROFL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:32 GMT
#7601
Sent....

Choose the dodge/counter ability
Punch Chezinu
Wild Swing above Chezinu, then return to original position

##Vote to end the night immediately once everyone has agreed to it
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:33 GMT
#7603
Yeah?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:34 GMT
#7605
He's scum so he can't use it lol? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:35 GMT
#7608
Well the game should end in a tie once the night ends anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:36 GMT
#7609
Or, to be more precise, both me and the Mafia team should be granted victory (according to Onegu).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:37 GMT
#7612
So what's your win condition then?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:38 GMT
#7613
Mine is fulfilled once you die sorry
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:40 GMT
#7616
Remember to vote someone though, Holyflare. I don't want to be left alone :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:58 GMT
#7619
I move to a location in the playerlist, deal 2 damage to the players next to me (counts as visiting), then 1 damage to the players next to them (doesn't count as visiting) and then I can move once more in the playerlist.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#7620
Chezinu could you ask Onegu to decide the game immediately too?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#7621
No point in waiting really when we've all already decided our actions and "solved" the game (as Mafia and 3P hahaha)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 00:46 GMT
#7652
Nice GG :D Still can't believe I could win in my first game as 3P. Seems I'm better suited to that than scum at the moment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 00:47 GMT
#7653
That and I had some divine luck Getting semi-cleared by The Shining, several townies getting modkilled...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 01:00 GMT
#7655
LOL you were considering bugging me... If you had, I'd have been so dead Could have just fakeclaimed Cop or something...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 01:08 GMT
#7656
Hahahaha HF

"Your current HP is 5"

You had so much HP
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 01:08 GMT
#7657
Well I think you deserved to win anyway. Would have been pretty lame to kill you there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 01:09 GMT
#7658
haha Chezinu actually was an inventor..... Probably the best person to have that role rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 01:30 GMT
#7661
That was probably the most fun game of Mafia I've ever played. Too bad about all the modkills, but at least the scumteam was mostly AFK to compensate You could consider them semi-modkilled hahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 14:47 GMT
#7669
On May 15 2015 23:08 sicklucker wrote:
Disaster


No, it was perfect
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 14:52 GMT
#7670
I wonder what would have happened if I had attacked HF and we would have BOTH died? Lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 16:27 GMT
#7673
I mean if we had both attacked each other
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 16:28 GMT
#7674
You would have probably died to my counter though since each of your attacks could have triggered my 4 damage counter and 1 damage was coming to you anyway
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 16:29 GMT
#7675
I couldn't have died to your counter but I could have died if you had attacked me.

All in all, my optimal play was probably to attack you there? But I guess it worked out fine since neither attacked :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 15 2015 17:21 GMT
#7677
hehe
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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