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On March 22 2015 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Remember our claimed blue roles? At this time we have:
2 vigilantes
1 tracker
1 alignment cop
1 jailkeeper
I think it's pretty clear that at least one of these claims is fake.
well yes, the alignment cop one is fake
and honestly if you take that out... and i guess assume onegu is lying about being a mason... 2 vigs, 1 tracker, 1 jk vs 5 mafia with an rb and a couple extra kills isn't unreasonable
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On March 22 2015 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:50 Trfel wrote:On March 22 2015 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2015 17:47 Trfel wrote:
So, at least one of ExO_ and raynpelikoneet is mafia. Possibly both. Do you or do you not have a red check on LS as you claim? I tracked LightningStrike to Holyflare using the orb. Holyflare was killed at night. LightningStrike has claimed scum. I am essentially confirmed town. No you are not. It in fact makes ME confirmed town because i have been pushing LS on D1 all day long you fuckface.
ray, he tracked LS to HF's body, and he claimed to do so using a unique item that, if he's lying, literally anybody else could cc him on successfully
trfel is confirmed town
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On March 22 2015 17:50 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:46 rsoultin wrote:
yeah i mean mods can make errors too but an error like this would be insane...not to mention it's not even my role so they'd have to actually use a named role for an alignment check which is even more unlikely This is 100% what happened. I was told Nova Corp. My role is the cop.
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you know there's like 0 way i can believe this, right? like this fucking blows for you if it's true but you have to understand that from my pov i can't possibly buy this
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hmm not a palmar game
Esteemed Hosts:
What is the name of the town faction?
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On March 22 2015 17:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:52 Trfel wrote:On March 22 2015 17:51 Eden1892 wrote:On March 22 2015 17:49 Trfel wrote:
Remember our claimed blue roles? At this time we have:
2 vigilantes
1 tracker
1 alignment cop
1 jailkeeper
I think it's pretty clear that at least one of these claims is fake. well yes, the alignment cop one is fake and honestly if you take that out... and i guess assume onegu is lying about being a mason... 2 vigs, 1 tracker, 1 jk vs 5 mafia with an rb and a couple extra kills isn't unreasonable Which is precisely why I said that one of ExO_ and raynpelikoneet is definitely mafia. Since I dont think ill be able to convince anybody of the truth, what is the best course of action here for me to do to help town, for when I do flip cop?
keep grinding. ask good questions and keep trying to solve the game. you're gonna get some people who are gonna lol at you and say "you're confirmed scum i'm ignoring you" keep working anyway
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k i'm way past my bedtime
bye 4reelz now
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oh oops missed that
sorry mods ignore my q.
and i think exo is town actually. i just figured it out
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rsoultin you are absolutely claiming jailkeeper here? no takebacks
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On March 22 2015 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is it real?
ExO claims an alignment cop with a rolecop result?
i'm trying to figure this out, and we really pretty much have to know what the town faction name would be to figure this out 100%
the reason i asked rso to confirm jk is that exo could only "slip" if rsoultin is vt. otherwise his result isn't "nova corps," it's "gamora zen-whoberi"
i guess theoretically he could have been mafia anything, fakeclaimed cop and assumed "nova corps" was the default name to make his argument... but the way he leads up to it honestly really reads like someone who has a cop check and is about to spring a trap
so i'm currently at the place where i think exo is actually an alignment cop and "nova corps" is unfortunately both our faction name AND the vt name. the only* alternative is that rsoultin isn't jailkeeper and is fakeclaiming as vt, but that's why i asked her to confirm
(* yes rsoultin "could" be mafia but i'm not entertaining that because soul. fuckin. reads. y'all.)
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plus it's pants-on-head retarded for mafia to claim there imo. like that whole argument is hella contrived if exo is mafia. why not just claim a red check instead of saying "i checked her green. she's the godfather"?
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On March 22 2015 18:16 Onegu wrote:
I'm still claiming mason btw, just not with Rayn I though he'd go along with it but I missed the tracker result oops.
god damn it donald
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On March 22 2015 18:18 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:17 Eden1892 wrote:
plus it's pants-on-head retarded for mafia to claim there imo. like that whole argument is hella contrived if exo is mafia. why not just claim a red check instead of saying "i checked her green. she's the godfather"? Maybe didn't check and thought town had a Rolecop.also
if he were trying to impersonate town rolecop
he wouldn't go "i scanned rsoultin. she is nova corps. i think she is gf"
he would go "i scanned rsoultin. she is <mafia role plucked from the OP>"
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On March 22 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
NOBODY IN THIS GAME EVER JAILS ONEGU OVER HOLYFLARE ON N1.
NEVER!
NEVER!
NEVER!
eh. it's suboptimal but i can see a pretty reasonable (if imo incorrect) townie logic for it.
but i will give rso a chance to explain that first. rso, so far you've said "medic dodge" as part of your rationale. can you elaborate on what this means?
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On March 22 2015 18:25 rsoultin wrote:
do i really have to elaborate on what this means?
it's pretty damn obvious
holyflare is a normal n1 kill anyway, plus him claiming mason and being perceived as confirmed town
if mafia is trying to avoid a save he's the one they're not going to shoot
maybe it was dumb but it made sense to me
you do, because that's the exact logic i assumed you were following, and if i said it before you explained it in detail (AS I ALMOST DID LOL) then you wouldn't be able to prove you were thinking it independently of someone else saying it
so yes, basically rsoultin tried to go one level up in the shell game and got burned for it. suboptimal, but the logic is pretty obvious
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Honestly tracking either of y'all is dumb. It tells us nothing unless you're stupid enough as mafia to fakeclaim vig, claim a shot on X, claim roleblocked and then also deliver kp somewhere else. If you're town or you're halfway competent mafia you'll be able to craft an unfalsifiable story.
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I think the best way to start in resolving these claims is to see which claims I absolutely believe are true and then evaluate the rest based on their activity in the thread and then see if the resultant format makes sense.
So here's what I'm aware of (not fully caught up yet bear in mind):
rsoultin as Gamora Zen-Whoberi
Vivax as Drax the Destroyer
Toadesstern as Drax the Destroyer
ExO_ as Peter Quill, Star Lord
raynpelikoneet as Nova Prime Irani Rael
Onegu as Groot
rsoultin is town. :dealwithit:
ExO_ I can't possibly see as mafia on further reflection. Let's look at what we have to assume for this to be true:
- ExO_ seeded being the cop in several posts prior to claiming
- ExO_ fakeclaimed cop with a green check on someone then argued the target was the godfather instead of just claiming a red check
- ExO_ didn't bother to look at the role he was fakeclaiming to see whether it was an alignment cop or role cop
- ExO_ brought the argument to rsoultin when he wasn't directly under pressure at the time, putting himself in the hot seat just to try to maybe get a jailer claim mislynched
Does that sound like anything resembling a good plan to anybody? How about instead ExO_ is the real cop, didn't realize he was only an alignment cop due to getting a check that used the same name as a specific role, and claimed to force someone he thought was fakeclaiming to explain themselves? Yeah Eden that makes a lot more sense.
So that's two who are basically 100% clear to me through either claim circumstances (ExO_) or godreads (rsoultin).
Then we have the vigs. Vivax has been busting his ass this game harder than I've ever seen him bust his ass, as town or as mafia. Vivax's filter is nearly half the size of his entire Imperial Mafia filter in 94 hours of gameplay. He is on pace to OBLITERATE his previous posting records that I'm aware of. No way this dude is mafia.
And Toad... Honestly I just don't see mafia fake-cc'ing in that spot. It's just such a bad play because if you don't get the guy lynched, he's putting a bullet in your ass with the quickness, and if you do get him lynched, you're pretty much a lock to be lynched tomorrow, which is functionally almost no different from getting a bullet in your ass with the quickness anyway. Then you look at the fact that he's also working reasonably hard to figure the game out, and that he claimed the VisceraEyes shot when VE made little sense as a mafia shot, and Toad is also town.
So right now we have an investigative role and two killing roles, plus a jailer providing mild dissynergy. That seems pretty reasonable. It leaves us a mason who fakeclaimed a partner multiple times and a tracker whose n1 track doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know as the other claims. Onegu's is easy to resolve: his partner won't be lynched today, so he should claim it at the end of n2 so that if he is going to be shot, we have it on record. Claim within the last 20m of the day so mafia can't exploit the shot. ray's isn't as simple. I admit that I haven't read ray's filter enough to give a read without his claim, so I'm uncertain as to whether we should accept it or not. I'll look into that later.
TL;DR:
- rsoultin, ExO_, both vigs all V. Likely to be legit
- Onegu will claim his partner at EON and that will resolve that
- I'm really skeptical of ray's claim but I'm not informed enough to pass sound judgment at this time
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On March 23 2015 05:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 05:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 23 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote:On March 23 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote:
viva, you do realize that list came out before rayn's claim? i had to check cause i couldn't really remember when that was :/
i'd been think ls was town most of the game -shrugs- that's the second i was talking about. pretty sure toad's claim hadn't come out yet either but i haven't verified that yet? Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. [...] Btw could anyone please chime in and tell him that townreading Artanis for his effort he put into ever since late d1 and later is in fact a good reason to townread him. Just tell that to vivax because he doesn't believe me and if noone talks about that he'll take it as if he's correct when in reality noone is bothering to talk to him about that because it's so damn obvious. [...] someone like Eden or idk.. someone that Vivax isn't currently scumreading at least
I mean this is literally what I already did so. Yea lol
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On March 23 2015 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2015 05:55 Vivax wrote:
Toad, I already said I'm considering that rayn is making a play here, so I'm really only waiting for him to show up. I don't see a point in discussing the claims any further when he could say "I'm not tracker", "I tracked some other guy and bsbsbs", "I'm actually Onegu's partner" etc.
I'll reconsider him as scum if he's still alive the next day and based on the new input but all this claiming bullshit and the talk of it is getting on my nerves heavily. It's stuff that becomes clearer as the game moves on and dwelling on it when today's lynch is decided already is something I leave to sisyphus. Sisyphus is the rock pushing guy, right? Google says I am right. He was punished for chronic deceitfulness. I don't understand what it means to leave something to sisyphus
He means it's a waste of time because we're just turning over the same ground over and over.
I'm not convinced, but that's because I can do the analysis and get to the bottom of it. If he's not finding it productive then it's probably feeling like shoving a rock up a hill only to watch it roll down again, yeah.
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