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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 20 2015 22:58 GMT
#3178
DON'T PLAY SAFE PLAY TO WIN
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 03:10 GMT
#3402
""My b" - Chillen" - Eden
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 03:24 GMT
#3406
hmm i feel ok about sicklucker reading his filter real fast

i will do post density analysis later but i feel like his activity level is high enough to pass my standards.
plus his question to onegu about voting with his partner is hella good esp. since onegu didn't do that at eod

give that boi a townread
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 09:29 GMT
#3470
exo did you ever actually have anything to say about my posts when i answered your questions?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 09:30 GMT
#3471
also, another psa:

if you townread me, you townread rsoultin. period, end of discussion
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 09:40 GMT
#3472
that's all i feel like doing right now lol. vca will come sometime tomorrow before eon
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 16:48 GMT
#3618
On March 21 2015 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter?



not sure I can handle this though

what's scummy about those two things? i interpret this simply to mean that he thinks BM was town and is trying to make you explain why you thought otherwise
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 16:51 GMT
#3623
On March 21 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Before Viva's claim:

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 03:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1: Current Vote Count

Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern
LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu
sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke
Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892
raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin
Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet
Eden1892 (1): ExO

Not Voting (1): Trfel

Currently, Vivax is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

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Voting is mandatory and in this thread. You may NOT abstain.

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After all three claims: Viva, Toad, Rayn

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Day 1: Current Vote Count

Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, rsoultin
Toadesstern (4): Palmar, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VisceraEyes
LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Onegu
sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke
raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Damdred
Artanis[Xp] (1): Eden1892

Currently, Vivax is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

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Final votecount with BM switch

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1: Current Vote Count

Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar
Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred
LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Onegu
Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes
sicklucker (1): Alakaslam

Not Voting (0):

Currently, Bill Murray is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

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Lol, figured I'd share...I like the visuals without the strikethroughs...more on this later but i think the main problem here is not knowing for sure the alignments of the vigis :/

rsoul plz. i got so happy when i saw you post these vote counts and then there's no actual analysis ._____.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 16:58 GMT
#3627
On March 22 2015 01:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 01:48 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 21 2015 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least.
@Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia?
@rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax?
@Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter?



not sure I can handle this though

what's scummy about those two things? i interpret this simply to mean that he thinks BM was town and is trying to make you explain why you thought otherwise


because I posted all of my reasons for lynching bm in the thread at the time...........?

honestly I thought he was towny at the start (you can see it in my list)
went to go get drunk
saw mass hysteria and wanted a new target because both claims pretty townyish
remembered the multiple afk excuses and that bm was lurky as fuck so just thought he would be better, especially intoxicated

but the thing is i made all my reasons very clear in the thread so why would he need to ask for my reasons to lynch BM? it just looks like a pointless question for the sake of asking a question

no offense to the homie ls but imo you could say this about a fair number of his questions he asks and i'm not sure it's alignment-indicative. for example after i finished pushing superbia he asked me if i "got anything out of questioning superbia" because "if [i] didn't [i] look bad." literally though that's all it was.

though now that i think more about it, what actually bothers me a bit is the lack of followup from him
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 16:59 GMT
#3628
On March 22 2015 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who should the vigs shoot Holyflare? You cited that as reasoning for not voting for Toad or Vivax, what's the verdict?

good fucking post a+ was about to ask this to the whole thread
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:02 GMT
#3633
On March 22 2015 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who should the vigs shoot Holyflare? You cited that as reasoning for not voting for Toad or Vivax, what's the verdict?


I know after making that plan I should be putting in the work to follow it through

but like......................................................................


meh?

:D
:D
:D
:D
D:

boo bitch
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:15 GMT
#3640
On March 22 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
eden why do you feel like the most underwhelming person in this game but have loads of pages? that's not usual

because your feelings are wrong
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:27 GMT
#3641
well I was going to type up a VCA

but then I found this and it's more interesting.

On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet.

We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker.

On March 21 2015 05:21 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this.

how about we lynch the fucking confirmed mafia Vivax like we were about to do before any of the claims happened and proceed to make mafia waste either a KP or RB on me during the night?


Jesus Christ, step back from the rhetoric for a second. He's not a confirmed mafia, in the slightest. Reevaluate the case. You're tunneling so hard, and it's not convincing somebody like me that he's mafia. It looks to me more like you're just dead set on lynching him and no information gained in the thread will change your mind.

"I highly doubt there'd be 2 vigs this game and I think lynching Vivax is idiotic because his claim leaves him open to a cc and there hasn't been one"
<CC>
"He's not confirmed mafia for you cc'ing him, step back and stop tunneling"

If ExO_ believes there aren't 2 vigs this game then why is he lecturing one vig claimant about the claimant's certainty in wanting to lynch his counterclaim??
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:34 GMT
#3647
On March 22 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 06:13 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote:
I honestly don't know by the way. I don't think they're both vigis.

I do appreciate that there is no need for scumToad to counterclaim this, it makes literally no sense. I do question though why he counterclaimed this, because shooting Vivax in the night seems MUCH cleaner.

Maybe mafia really wants VivaxVig dead? or maybe Toad is town and didn't apply brain to game.

I thought I had a good point about toad earlier in the game and I though he overreacted when I pointed it out. I honestly don't know. Like I would totally counterclaim Vivax as mafia, but I also understand that not everyone plays mafia as recklessly as I do. I have no idea if it's within Toad's range.

What if Vivax is mafiaVig. Ever thought about that?

just to explain it a little more because you either have a bad case of the dumb or don't want to understand it Palmar: If we don't lynch Vivax today there's a good chance he will get to use his shot if he is a mafiaVig



He'a not mafia vig. He just slipped. There is no mafia vig. He is mafia however, he has to be


While the point looks good on its own, Eden, when I read his filter and step on this I think he's town for believing this.

can you elaborate on this? that makes the thing I found even more damning to me lol

"why are you so sure vivax is mafia toad? stop tunneling he's not confirmed"
"no vivax isn't mafia vig, but vivax IS mafia"
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:36 GMT
#3649
and then postflip he has the gall to call not lynching either vig claim stupid lol

ExO_: Why did you chastise Toad for wanting to lynch the guy he counterclaimed when you had just said you don't think there are 2 vigs in the game?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:39 GMT
#3651
On March 22 2015 02:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 02:34 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:13 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote:
I honestly don't know by the way. I don't think they're both vigis.

I do appreciate that there is no need for scumToad to counterclaim this, it makes literally no sense. I do question though why he counterclaimed this, because shooting Vivax in the night seems MUCH cleaner.

Maybe mafia really wants VivaxVig dead? or maybe Toad is town and didn't apply brain to game.

I thought I had a good point about toad earlier in the game and I though he overreacted when I pointed it out. I honestly don't know. Like I would totally counterclaim Vivax as mafia, but I also understand that not everyone plays mafia as recklessly as I do. I have no idea if it's within Toad's range.

What if Vivax is mafiaVig. Ever thought about that?

just to explain it a little more because you either have a bad case of the dumb or don't want to understand it Palmar: If we don't lynch Vivax today there's a good chance he will get to use his shot if he is a mafiaVig



He'a not mafia vig. He just slipped. There is no mafia vig. He is mafia however, he has to be


While the point looks good on its own, Eden, when I read his filter and step on this I think he's town for believing this.

can you elaborate on this? that makes the thing I found even more damning to me lol

"why are you so sure vivax is mafia toad? stop tunneling he's not confirmed"
"no vivax isn't mafia vig, but vivax IS mafia"


Well it looks like he wasn't sure about me being mafia before he found the perceived slip, and thinking that what I said was a slip when I simply forgot about a mafia vig being in the game is so dumb it's townie.

But that's the issue - why wouldn't he be sure? He had, after all, just said that he found the idea of 2 vigs being in the game exceedingly unlikely. The only reason he wouldn't be sure you're mafia is because he would be entertaining the idea that Toad is mafia.

But then you look at how he talks to Toad and it's like he's coaching Toad on how to be persuasive to other people. I'm trying to avoid saying things like "he's talking to X like X is confirmed town" because that argument has been done to death not 72 hours into the game, but there's a complete lack of skepticism or inquiry in his comments to Toad there, and this is right on the heels of saying in effect that one of the claimants is mafia.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 17:52 GMT
#3655
well fuck me right

i go to check the most recent pages after getting this far:

Voting-based reactions to claims:
  • VisceraEyes moved from Artanis to Toad
  • Damdred moved from Vivax to ray
  • Vivax moved from LightningStrike to Toad
  • rsoultin moved from ray to Vivax
  • ExO_ moved from Eden to Vivax
  • Trfel voted for Vivax

Voting-based reactions to Bill Murray wagon:
  • Holyflare moved from ray to BM
  • Eden moved from Artanis to BM
  • rsoultin moved from Vivax to BM
  • Damdred moved from ray to Vivax
  • Vivax moved from Toad to BM
  • Superbia moved from sicklucker to BM
  • Breshke moved from sicklucker to BM
  • ray moved from Toad to BM
  • Palmar moved from Toad to BM


and i see that and i'm like "why bother"

lol still gonna bother people about their moves though
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:09 GMT
#3663
On March 21 2015 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:14 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:11 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax.

Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it?


What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia.

a) we don't know if there's a Drax in the game.
b) it's possible for there to be more than one Drax in the game.
c) a claimed Drax might be useless anyway because Nebula (Roleblocker) making it not even "provable"
d) counterclaim isn't really useful because Korath (mafVig)

I don't like the claim. I feel like Vivax would have claimed it sooner if real.


You think so? The way the setup reads to me it seems like there can only be one

It says exact number isn't known - there could be 4 drax and nothing else for all we know. Likely? Nah. But possible based on the info in the OP.


Ugh. A second drax would kind of fuck this up. I'm not sure how to resolve that situation correctly at this point.

That's what I'm saying - a counterclaim doesn't solve shit because they could BOTH be telling the truth or BOTH be lying for all we know. And the mafia vig if it exists could like, SHOOT Vivax if he's real and CLAIM that he was the real Drax and shot the imposter.

Like, that's part of the reason I don't like the claim - because he instantly thought he should be clear for it.

On March 21 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2015 05:44 Superbia wrote:
Am I the only one who currently thinks that the most likely scenario is that they're both town?

I'm coming around...I just don't know about having 2 drax in the game with the Orb being a thing.

On March 21 2015 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh..........

I don't know what to do. I feel like this situation could resolve itself in the night though. Is everyone against that?

On March 21 2015 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay. I've thought rayn was town most of the day, maybe badly but whatever.

##Unvote
##Vote: Toadesstern


Sry Toad, if you're town you should have just let us lynch whoever and shot Vivax.

This thought progression makes no sense. VE spends most of the time talking about how the counterclaim doesn't solve anything, he comes in later and says he's "coming around" to having 2 vigs, wants the night situation to resolve itself and then literally not two minutes later votes for the cc without directly stating a reason.

VisceraEyes: Why did you believe Toad was mafia here? Why did you think mafia would cc in this situation and why did you flip so quickly from wanting to let the claims resolve themselves in the night to voting for the cc?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:11 GMT
#3665
On March 22 2015 03:09 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 02:27 Eden1892 wrote:
well I was going to type up a VCA

but then I found this and it's more interesting.

On March 21 2015 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
I Highly doubt there'd be 2 vigis in the game. And I think lynching Vivax right now would be idiotic. That claim leaves him very open to a counter claim. There hasn't been one yet.

We shouldn't lynch Vivax right now. I'd really like more discussion on the rayn claim of tracker.

On March 21 2015 05:21 ExO_ wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this.

how about we lynch the fucking confirmed mafia Vivax like we were about to do before any of the claims happened and proceed to make mafia waste either a KP or RB on me during the night?


Jesus Christ, step back from the rhetoric for a second. He's not a confirmed mafia, in the slightest. Reevaluate the case. You're tunneling so hard, and it's not convincing somebody like me that he's mafia. It looks to me more like you're just dead set on lynching him and no information gained in the thread will change your mind.

"I highly doubt there'd be 2 vigs this game and I think lynching Vivax is idiotic because his claim leaves him open to a cc and there hasn't been one"
<CC>
"He's not confirmed mafia for you cc'ing him, step back and stop tunneling"

If ExO_ believes there aren't 2 vigs this game then why is he lecturing one vig claimant about the claimant's certainty in wanting to lynch his counterclaim??


Read my filter. At that point I didn't realize he had CCed

"""my b" - Chillen" - Eden" - Eden
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 18:31 GMT
#3672
On March 22 2015 03:27 ExO_ wrote:
Damdred:

When I first began pressuring Eden I wasn't 100% sure on it. But his reaction to me seemed very panicky, and thus made me think he was scum. I'm not sure what part you didn't think I followed up on, but from what I remember he never brought up any counter points or things for me to answer when I was questioning him. He just got raged a bit.

After he "reset" he seemed a bit better to me so I've backed off. I'm still not sure about him.

But I think after the results of day 1 there are significantly better people to be looking at, which I've mentioned. You're damn right I was angry after day 1, because I highly highly disagree with what happened. A bunch of people jumped on a borderline mod-kill lynch instead of resolving 2 people CC. I heavily do not believe both are vigs. I just don't think its possible. Therefore it would've been better to figure out who's lying in my mind. An opinion I stand by.

And don't say I'm incapable of scum hunting before day 2 even starts. I already know exactly where I should focus. But it would be better for me to see the results of the night. After all what if both Vivax and Toad die? Or if one dies and pops vig (though I suspect this will only happen to Toad, as I do believe Vivax is scum).

And on a side note. I know everyone here has played a lot and agrees long filter = town. But is that always true? Is it really that hard for a mafia to post a lot, especially like in Vivax's case for instance when he was on the chopping block?

But then if you aren't sure of me why do you still have yet to followup on any of the subjects you were pressing me about in the first place???
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
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