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lol i trust y'all maybe >> | ||
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lol is that an expression of love or hate, senpai? | ||
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mt everest i think was the phrasing | ||
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Some of you are making me feel old :/ Others of you are not, old man Marv xP | ||
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I thought this was pirates, not Pandemic. LS, your statements of the obvious never fail to amuse. | ||
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And the mindfuckery has already started. So is it a good idea, Eden? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:11 marvellosity wrote: also i'm late to the party because i was literally doing my hair. Does that also have to do with the se(a)men? Two millers. That should be it, right? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote: Does that also have to do with the se(a)men? Two millers. That should be it, right? Nevermind lol. We can all be millers. | ||
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Totes what I got out of that. A+ senpai. | ||
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Nope. I just realized there's no cap on the roles. I still want to do the thunderdome thing though. Can I be an honorary miller? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:20 Onegu wrote: Does this mean you will flip red on checks? As red as you bby | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:33 Eden1892 wrote: rsoultin why weren't you weirded out by my shenanigans? You were when I trolled the beginning of Linux Mini, here you just kinda rolled with it instead of questioning the stupid things I did Heh, I think you're getting me confused with someone else there, Eden. It was your boohoo don't night kill me mega-post that had me looking at you sideways ^^ | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:41 Palmar wrote: Damdred is 100% mafia guys ##vote Damdred Explain? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:47 Eden1892 wrote: I am positive you were giving me sideways looks for more than that That would be when you started defending me for no good reason last game. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:54 Eden1892 wrote: Moooooore than thaaaaaaat But I can give you a day if we kill Damdred first? But at the same time maybe Damdred is town, I don't get where his questions are going from a mafia POV. iHijole! The night kill whine was the first thing I called you ooooout ooooon. So why do you want to kill Damdred if you think he may be town? Not making sense here, Eden. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:27 sicklucker wrote: From reading like 3 pages Marv - town for posting eden town for presuring koshi town for saying he wont do anything is koshi town so you can be town for not doing anything? | ||
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Hey, it's actually a serious question -flicks- SL, how is koshi saying he won't do anything town? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote: RSo do you think palmar, eden and marv are all town? I can get the play from Eden, though I don't like fake-claims in general, so probably town. Palmar I have no idea. I think I've only seen him play on weekends and as PYP king. He seemed pretty excited about his "magic trick" though. Marv probably is. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote: Koshi actually tried to play a shit town last game. He ended up trying because town was shit and he had no choice. If hes mafia hes not gonna come out blantantly and say hes not trying and pray Im good enough to town read him off of last game meta. Its the same as me coming out and saying im not trying. I dont do this as mafia because I like to win as mafia I dont really care if I win as town WIFOM. You couldn't even be bothered to vote last time you were mafia. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:55 Holyflare wrote: man this wagon is so fasttttttttt hehe Watch out! The norse goddess will punch you xP | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:58 Damdred wrote: Lynch rs 100% the moment I die Love you too, Damdy | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:07 sicklucker wrote: fu im def not trying to confirm me as town. Thats koshis job Why is it koshi's job to confirm you as town, SL? | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:13 Damdred wrote: LS are you acting dumb today? Rsoultin makes huge posts that go back and forth and tries to figure shot out on her own, but she's just sleeping with no real thoughts? What happened to not posting anymore while you're at work? Just marv's question you wanted to avoid? | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:16 Damdred wrote: I'm addicted to playing but I am super busy at work. Cool story, bro. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:19 sicklucker wrote: If for some reason we decide dandred is town I suggest killing this guy as a pure policy lynch Why? And what does koshi have to do with you being confirmed town? | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:25 sicklucker wrote: The koshi thing was a joke because he confirmed me as town when I was scum and I just afked for two weeks and won. If you dont find scum you usually vote off the weaklink I think thats pretty standard Link? I thought it was because he was voting for you, given the quote. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote: dandred, rsoulin whos your partner? Lol, like we're scum together. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:31 sicklucker wrote: Not at all. That was an honest mistake. I tried really hard the night before the vote to get like 8 votes off me. Thats called trying I remember you trying really hard to keep us from voting for Robik instead of you, and pushing the FF lynch. I was the donkey who thought you were town, anyway, when you were scum. No more free passes from me. I don't see you pushing anyone this game, either. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:34 sicklucker wrote: Why not? I did the same play in void mafia to get an early vote off me and win the game. at the expense of are awesome host. When your the #1 lynch and you thin your partners going to be the #2 lynch you should always sweep in bus and get that sweet town cred before anyone else can He may be trying to get me lynched, but we're not scum buddies. I think it's funny you think I'd ever play this game like you, SL. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:20 Breshke wrote: ehh this is going nowhere and its boring RSo are you still around. You voting damdred and not really talking about it is weird can you run me through your read on him. Also your opinion on LS. I find it weird that he is either lurking or keeps leaving without doing his "i will read everything up to this post thing" Also i have never seen him omgus before. I actually kind of understand why he asked Eden the question about marv, out-of-context, because on the surface it is strange to call Marv scum then put him as top town. Then it looked like Palmar was stretching his read a bit, since he'd predicted Damdred would do certain things (change his tone, wait awhile to come back to the thread, etc.) but Damdred didn't intimate that Palmar was scum like Palmar predicted. So I wasn't really feeling the lynch. It was his exchange with and about marv that just made me eh. He keeps on disappearing from the thread or changing the topic instead of just answering the question. As for LS...he defends me anyway so I'm not sure what to make of it. It is kind of weird that he hasn't posted more. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:30 Eden1892 wrote: OK, I verified, it's the worst read of all time. You can unbuckle your seatbelts now. o.0 Now I'm curious. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:31 Breshke wrote: Could the bolded part not be explained by him being at work and phone posting. Maybe? The disappearances, sure, but if changing the topic is a coincidence, it's a convenient one. He's been addressing everything else. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:34 Eden1892 wrote: vote rso Damdred is probably town IMO You make me sad, senpai. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:35 Breshke wrote: Just because it's convenient doesn't mean it is not true though you are normally more reluctant than this. Do you have any other scum reads? I'm not a fan of SL's posting, but I can't read him worth shit -_- | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote: Of course..... so how does the first part relate to him being miller and forced to do things? On February 04 2015 09:49 Damdred wrote: I'm just stopping posting while I'm at work because trying to do to many things On February 04 2015 10:42 Damdred wrote: Just lynch rs ls then bats. On February 04 2015 10:43 Holyflare wrote: go back to work damdy or stop dodging my rhetoric! On February 04 2015 10:53 Damdred wrote: Palomar, marv, Eden and hf are lynching me I don't think I can get off of it. Lynch LS over sl. Unless it's just Damdred refusing to talk to HF, which is weird because he was tying to appeal to him to lynch me, he keeps dodging his questions. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:42 Breshke wrote: See this is an example. You are reluctant on reading SL scum yet you seem sure on damdred who i would also assume you would be reluctant on considering we were wrong on him last game I was the only one reading Damdred wrong last game. Everyone else had him as town except for scum!Eden and scum!HF, and they were just sheeping me. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:47 Holyflare wrote: i had damdred as town last game You were scum. Doesn't count. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:47 Eden1892 wrote: so literally all the posts except one which happened AFTER YOU VOTED HIM is the reason you voted for him??? goodbye thanks 4 playing c u next time Obviously the first one was the one I voted him for -_- Now you're just nitpicking. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:51 Eden1892 wrote: The one where he says he's busy at work (which he confirmed before the exchange) and the one where he said don't let marv be lazy are the only ones before your vote. Neither of those are why Damdred was suspicious at the time Think what you will, Eden. You asked me for my reasons; not yours. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:59 Damdred wrote: See hf look at what you said right there x dies after damdred you are already predisposed to kill me no matter what its really discouraging and demptivating. But it is what it is idk what I'm even avoiding at this point Okay, so your only reason for avoiding HF's questions was because you don't like HF? I can believe this after last game. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:04 Eden1892 wrote: He immediately clarified it by saying don't let marv be lazy confirmed town And you voted him anyway... I don't like it The vote stands Quote? Cause he didn't that I remember. Also, could really care less about your vote, Eden. | ||
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Read the context. It helps. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote: I love damdy though  it doesn't stop me scum reading him for excellent points though The only points I had against him was his seeming to go out of his way not to answer you? | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:10 Eden1892 wrote: I did, you threw shade on him for posting at work and he says he's busy but trying to be in the thread because he really wants to play. How is that suspicious and why the dismissive remark that says nothing? He said that he wasn't going to post again in a manner that seemed like he was ducking HF's question. Then he comes back into the thread to try to get me lynched while still not answering HF's question. That's when I asked him what happened to him not posting anymore while he was at work, and he gave that response. Why is this so hard for you to get? | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:13 Eden1892 wrote: Like holy shit guys HF and rsoultin both made up false reasons for their votes on Damdred. rsoultin scumreads Damdred for not answering HF's questions even though Damdred answered the only question HF offered before her vote. HF scumreads Damdred for being too certain about his reads even though he called Damdred mafia before Damdred gave those reads That right there is a load of BS. I asked you for the quote where he supposedly did this, and instead of providing it you keep trying to bury yourself as far up my ass as you can. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:46 Damdred wrote: I'm home now and will get on comp after raids. Anyway, to clarify while I don't have a staff to manage. Marv is a claimed miller I think tone wise he's town just based on his postings obviously, so that in itself totally negates most of the sentence I was taking crap for earlier that I under explained. Miller is obviously easy for mafia to fake claim so IF Marv slips into lazy mode just lynch him, if he's productive I had a good read. HF you have a good scum game I scummed you for tone and other things last game I can't say I have a reliable grip on you though, and you feel towny atm. This is literally the first post where he actually explains it. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:18 Eden1892 wrote: I already reposted it twice... And none of that changes you quoting several parts of a questioning session after your vote as a reason for your vote You asked me what made me think he was scum. Forgive me if I didn't translate that as "what made you think he was scum, but only what came before the vote". | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:21 Eden1892 wrote: anyway rso why did you unvote Damdred? Because of the explanation he gave that I just quoted, where he actually did explain his thought process in a way that could be understood ^^ | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote: This is really not a good subject for town. We won't convince hf I'm town and RS is mafia. The best thing to do is prove RS is mafia or find another mfia. this just makes the thread bad Alright, Damdred, prove that I'm mafia. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:37 Eden1892 wrote: Quote the post in question that most made you think "This guy is mafia" We done arguing over semantics yet? | ||
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fuck me -_- whatever. you win. I misread your post. if that makes me mafia, lynch me. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:28 Eden1892 wrote: I know you aren't ignoring the posts literally immediately above and below that post in my filter which restrict answers to the marv/Damdred exchange And also WAIT A MINUTE You've been talking about the HF/Damdred exchange when your initial comments were about marv/Damdred And? Damdred saying weird things about marv is less concerning than him saying weird things about marv and then ducking the question. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:35 Eden1892 wrote: I don't actually know what, lol I feel like I'm tunnel on you maybe? Lemme look at LS instead Ya think? -_- Bueno, HF, can you put your suspicions in a concise form for me? I really think Eden's right about the marv comment, after Damdred explained it. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:43 Eden1892 wrote: Zzz if you're ignoring me about Damdred then I'm not gonna bother replying to that and spend time doing more productive stuff Like how does LS get off criticizing sicklucker for not reading the thread when LS's vote is literally not based in any semblance of things that actually happened in the thread It's based on, what, the two games he's played with you when you were scum? You've played with LS before. How is that different from his town play? I'm more concerned about him defending me, cause scum loves to defend me as you proved last game, Eden. That's not really outside the norm for him, either, though. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: Really you going to skip Day 1 discussion just because you don't want to play it out? You should know better than that............... Is this the post you were talking about, Eden? That doesn't read to me like LS getting onto SL for not reading. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:52 Eden1892 wrote: Well, intending not to play, if I'm gonna be precise about it. But I think you get what I'm getting at here - it is strange to me that LS criticizes sicklucker for declaring his intention not to care about day 1 when LS himself clearly isn't paying much attention. It just seems like LS is choosing lame things to snipe, and in the case of the player he voted for, he also just didn't make sense. I think this case is a lot better than the Damdred one honestly. Lol, Eden, were you trolling in your last two scum games? Cause if you were, I can see where he's getting it from. He does these meta things like every game. It is hypocritical assuming that LS doesn't return to the thread, and if that's the case I'll probably happily vote him with you. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:56 Eden1892 wrote: Seems like LS tries more as town? Just from a cursory glance at a couple of his town games Yeah, if he keeps barely trying he's definitely lynchable. That would marry up to the game I lynched him as scum. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:56 Breshke wrote: He also doesn't seem to be as engaged as he normally is Bresh, do you have any scumreads right now? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:03 Onegu wrote: Rsoultin for now, would sheep marv on Damdred also. Because? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote: I was intermittently trolling in Linux and very sparsely trolling in NYE. The problem is that I troll at least a little bit in every game. I trolled the shit out of Hammertime d1. I fuckin drunkposted like Lindsey Lohan the first like 6 hours or so of that game. I trolled to start here by fakeclaiming miller just to do it and managed to improvise it into something resembling a legit play. I didn't troll in Imperial but that's probably just because I was fresh off of a hiatus and had something to prove to myself. I trolled the whole game in World Heavyweight as town and then shit the bed at LYLO and I trolled to start Melee Mini with a similar play as in this game. "Eden trolled at some point" is a terrible meta read, and even if LS uses meta too much there's still two problems with his use here: - He clearly didn't actually check it against prior games when I was town. If you're going to run a meta case saying "ABC did XYZ and ABC does XYZ when ABC is mafia," you should probably make sure ABC doesn't also do XYZ as town. - By the time he actually posted I had long since stopped trolling and had been ?arguably? the most productive player in the thread so far, certainly in the top 3 somewhere. So LS's read wasn't even correct. At no point from the time he posted it was it ever actually an accurate read. I absolutely agree that that's the appropriate way to use meta, and it's even better if you've played with that player as both alignments, more than just a game or two, but I'm saying LS does this like every game. The same argument you used about trolling (and I was never arguing that you can't troll as town) can be used regarding him and how he uses meta. It's simply not alignment-indicative for LS imo to make that sort of read. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:12 Breshke wrote: You, i don't like the entire damdred thing. You seemed happy to park your vote until you got pinged out. And then trying to folllow the conversation between you and eden about why you scumread damdred gives me a headache and i still don't really get where you are coming from. I also don't like LS I want to scumread SL out of spite because "he only tries when he is mafia" and is seemingly going through the thread and replying to stuff now so he is trying yes? But thats just SL so null. It's as simple as Damdred made some strange comments and then appearing to be deliberately avoiding the question. I have no reason to scumread him otherwise because I really don't see what the big deal was about him questioning Eden's list. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:24 LightningStrike wrote: It just meta alone but also I just might be paranoid because the last 2 times I played with you in fact you were scum. I did the same thing to Breshke in Student V because just 2 games before that game that I played with him he was scum so it could just be paranoia again on my read on you so take it with a grain of salt. LS, is this still just about trolling? | ||
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Obviously not? He came back in and explained his comments later, and they made sense. | ||
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Onegu, I'm still waiting to hear why you're scumreading me, and secondly why you're willing to sheep marv on Damdred. This...what are you trying to say here? That HF only thinks you're scum when you're town? You do realize that defense doesn't hold weight with any of us who haven't played a lot with you two together? | ||
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I missed that post. My bad. Well...enjoy your feelings I guess? So why is HF wrong? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:35 Onegu wrote: Oh and because it's marv that's posting, that means he is town. Also as I pointed out you tried to make marv look bad. At what point did I ever try to make marv look bad, Onegu? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:32 Breshke wrote: lol awks my bad I might actually want to lynch sicklucker today. His last two posts have no direction anything i don't see why he felt the need to post them other than just to post stuff I think I could get behind that lynch. The last time he wasn't all spazzy and paranoid in the thread, he was scum. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:39 Onegu wrote: If HF is town and I'm scum HF thinks im scum, if HF is scum and im town HF says I'm scum, if HF is town and im town HF thinks im scum. If I'm scum and HF is scum we bus the shit out of each other. So the only way HF is right is if I am scum. I am town therefore He is wrong or scum. But prolly just wrong. So what you're telling me is that he always calls you scum and that means nothing about your actual alignment. Okay, so why should I think you're town, when you're scumreading me based on feels and misinformation? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:46 LightningStrike wrote: She did the same thing in Student V so it most likely non alignment indicative on that part. What? Pretty sure I was hard-pushing Trfel early in Student V, LS. It's only the last 2-3 games where I've been trying to cut back on my posting, and am constantly getting scumread for it -_- which is fucking annoying btw, Damdred. Reread my filter and tell me I wasn't being proactive before I was "pinged out". | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:48 Onegu wrote: But you can sheep Marvs read on me when he is back, marv always knows when I am scum and when I am town. I just love this sort of answer. Something that I can't in any way verify. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:53 Damdred wrote: LS is scum vote for him. Rsoultin you weren't really proactive up to that point afterwards you did get more so towards your town game I'm not saying I don't expect you to OMGUS me for not explaining my vote, or jump on the same stupid bandwagon that's formed every one of my last three games because I'm not thought dumping into the thread right off the bat. I agree that you pushing me for lynch is not alignment-indicative cause it seems to be the cool thing to do nowadays. Doesn't make it any more true that I wasn't "inquisitive" though. | ||
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How do you know? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:50 rsoultin wrote: What? Pretty sure I was hard-pushing Trfel early in Student V, LS. It's only the last 2-3 games where I've been trying to cut back on my posting, and am constantly getting scumread for it -_- which is fucking annoying btw, Damdred. Reread my filter and tell me I wasn't being proactive before I was "pinged out". @Damdred It's definitely not true | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:08 LightningStrike wrote: I told you I changed my reads on you to null for now because you looked better since the opening. Hey, LS...what do you think about Bresh's reads on you and Onegu? | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:20 Eden1892 wrote: Bruh please that's not the giveaway post And read more of LS. dude was straight trippin balls trying to scumread me... Game seems hard where did Damdred go Dunnae, but best guess is it has something to do with HF being back in the thread. I need sleep -_- LS, whenever you get a chance. | ||
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and what makes bats town? | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Dunno. 8? bats - dunno. the auto-quick sheep okay, explain to me why damdy questioning obvtownEden's list is scummy? from the get-go that hasn't jived for me | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:13 marvellosity wrote: i've no idea about damdred questioning eden's list. then what's the scumread for? | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:14 marvellosity wrote: read the thread? if it's the comment on you I don't know how it gets an 8 out of 10 | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:12 sicklucker wrote: Ls because even if your wrong who cares. plus he claimed vt bad reasons. try again | ||
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On February 05 2015 03:07 batsnacks wrote: Breshke is too passive I'm moving my vote to him ##vote Breshke where did this come from bats? -_- 3 more hrs death by ppt will kill me meh | ||
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If you've got questions ask, already asked them quote, cause I probably won't get a chance to read anything in depth until later tonight. | ||
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Based on last night, LS I'm not sure on, but leaning town SL could be mafia Koshi who the hell knows what he's doing, possible mafia Like bats, but he needs to explain his reads more Bresh is leaning town | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:12 Eden1892 wrote: I know you're busy right now but can you elaborate on what happened last night that led you to get these reads? Bresh just seems to be seeing things mostly the same way that I am. Bats is a gut read, which is why I want him to explain his reads more; I wasn't following Koshi just makes me twitch. The 100% town thing always makes me twitch, especially when half the thread is scumming me. I also don't remember anything he said yesterday being very interesting. I've come to think of town SL as that crazy guy spewing reads that don't make sense everywhere. I know he said that he wouldn't play Day 1, but it's reading more to me like scum SL from last game than the guy who makes me want to dropkick him off a bridge for never making sense. LS, I don't know, he got the thing wrong on Student V but I never got him to explain why he thought I was playing the same. The openings were blatantly different, but if he's talking about the general play, then it's not a terrible read. That said, he's just not screaming scum to me. He kept answering the question that you asked over and over and seemed willing to engage with people. | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:24 marvellosity wrote: sicklucker might be town for all his stupid policy lynch posts. I don't think he made posts like that as mafia but I'd have to check. Mostly his reads were actual reads and/or buses when he was scum. don't feel that strongly about it but it's a thought I'll have to filter dive him later, and anyone else who is a possible wagon, because I have no clue what he's said today other than a couple things I caught on one of my breaks. | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:00 Damdred wrote: I should of saved that case to later in the day so it doesn't get lost to all the bickering in the thread... I like your case, Damdred. I need to fact check it first... Honestly though, I do kind of agree with HF, even though I'm obviously the one he wants to lynch; SL has always been difficult for me to read. How certain are you? | ||
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Main wagons are Damdred, SL and Bresh? Anyone else who needs to be looked at? | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:13 Eden1892 wrote: rso why do you ask this? Have you caught up with the thread yet? No, I want to start with the filters of the people being scumread and work out from there. | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:17 Eden1892 wrote: I ask because we're like... 22? hours away from the lynch. There aren't any main wagons yet. Lol, you do love to argue semantics. I'm trying to decide if I agree with any of these scumreads. Main wagons, scumreads, people leading the votes, what have you. | ||
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If you're still around, Onegu, what is your beef with Bresh? I don't see anything contradictory about him reading LS scum for using faulty logic in a read and not reading you scum when you're talking about a gut read. | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:44 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not meaning to argue semantics, it just came off suspicious to me Shrug HF and marv when are either of y'all going to make a case for rsoultin being mafia? I know it's late in the UK rn so I'm not expecting it right away, but you both are just kinda nodding in agreement with each other about her, and I know I don't see it at all Yo, Eden, if you're scumreading JAT (I assume you still are?) why were you criticizing HF for calling Damdred's townread on JAT scummy? | ||
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Correction, just saw where you dropped him back to null. So what was your read on JAT at the time of this post? On February 04 2015 12:38 Eden1892 wrote: so is JAT mafia or what? unless you think he is then I really don't see the difference between an early "probably town" read vs a "null" or whatever you wanted him to say (unless you wanted him to say mafia in which case, see question) Cause he got mad? Avoiding interaction isn't per se suspicious, and I think you know this. Context is king. If he got mad at you for piling onto him - and whether you like it or not your reasons up to the reads post weren't actually all that coherent - then I would totally expect him to shut down, whether he's town or mafia. It doesn't mean anything Already discussed the marv thing further in a recent post | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote: So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning leaning what?? his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. Then, his very next post, he puts it in a list: On February 04 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote: So TLDR on my reads Town: Marv Palmar JAT rsoultin (She acting like she does in normal games asking lots of questions and being paranoid too) Breshke Onegu Null: Damdred Batsnacks sicklucker Holyflare Koshi (To little posts to go on for me) Scum: Eden1892 Looking back at the thread, I don't see anyone asking him about the players he left out of his reads paragraph. It almost looks like an "oh shit, I didn't mention someone; better put them in the list". Don't know if it means anything, but it struck me as odd. | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote: Because how can you say this and then say my feeling makes sense. But I think I'll get off him and go back to my hero Koshi for now. But Koshi don't get to excited your like aquaman to Marvs batman, to Rayns Superman, to hapa as God. Ninja'd. I think the difference, Onegu, is that feelings by definition don't make sense. It's one thing to say you're reading someone a certain way based on a feeling, and quite another to say it's for A, B and C where A and B don't make sense and C isn't true. | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:32 Holyflare wrote: well I don't think what you wrote particularly means anything, you didn't really reach any conclusion either? I'm not sure that it means anything either. I think I already said that. What's your read on LS? He basically said the same thing to SL, Breshke and Damdred, hinting they're scum without coming right out and saying it. On February 04 2015 14:50 LightningStrike wrote: The funny thing about Breshke is that he gets my alignment wrong when he's scum when I'm town so that is something to consider for now. On February 04 2015 14:54 LightningStrike wrote: You never got my alignment wrong in a game before this one what hell...... On February 05 2015 01:16 LightningStrike wrote: sicklucker you never been wrong on my alignment when I'm town and this time it seems like you are calling me scum........... | ||
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I'm trying to understand why you were defending Damdred for a townread on JAT if you weren't reading him town. | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: Rsoultin do you think LS is scum I think there's a good chance he could be, yeah. | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:50 Eden1892 wrote: Damdred's alignment isn't per se dependent on agreeing or disagreeing with my reads. The problem I had was that I felt like Damdred's reading JAT town at the time wasn't suspicious, and I didn't get why HF found it so Kay, should I sheep you on your Onegu read? I'm finding nothing to make me think anything on him one way or the other. (Also, just saying, you and HF are coming off like you're arguing with each other just to argue.) | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote: he's just butt hurt because he knows i'm town Not sure what that has to do anything. I asked you about LS. | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: People should sheep my read SL or LS? I can't remember if policy lynches are normal for SL or not, to be frank. That's the one thing I'd need to tip me over. His filter definitely lacks the spaz or anything terribly interesting. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:47 sicklucker wrote: I always start out day 1 slow if im not tunneling on some mechanic. The threads been dominated by players ive never played with and ls whos been covered to death so I dont feel I have much to add yet. Lets be real Im not a policy lynch ,im hyper active sometimes right sometimes wrong, never afraid to speak my mind(thats how you read me) But I always try ##vote sicklucker | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I'm back and I really want to give up now since no one but Koshi, Marv, and JAT are calling me town >.< For my list post rsoultin I accidentally forgot to put the people who I put the notes by in my post on my reads that's all. Also I meant your normal behavior as town not opening you silly girl. Now I seeing people calling sicklucker scum and I might buy it if some of my town reads sheep the case on sicklucker by Damdred. Also I going to put in the blank because I thought I had put some words in my long reads post at the time to make it more clear: I feel like Damdred was just tunneling me when I wasn't around.............. That makes a ton more sense than calling the openings the same. So do you think Damdred, SL and Breshke are all scum for scumreading you, LS? | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:44 justanothertownie wrote: I would like to hear a more detailed explanation here. Why was he scummy to you initially and what about his explanation changed this and why. Just saw this...and I feel like I've probably explained it 20 times now. The weird post on marv. Didn't much care initially but marv and HF jumped down his throat for it: On February 04 2015 09:42 Damdred wrote: Palomar is the trendiest town. Eden town Marv is town but don't let him skate by on his miller claim. On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things On February 04 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote: Of course..... so how does the first part relate to him being miller and forced to do things? After which, Damdred just stopped answering. He also continued to ignore HF and instead tunneled on me: On February 04 2015 09:49 Damdred wrote: I'm just stopping posting while I'm at work because trying to do to many things But then he did actually come back into the thread and clarify the statements on marv. I didn't see anything that looked inconsistent or awkward, so I removed my vote. On February 04 2015 11:46 Damdred wrote: I'm home now and will get on comp after raids. Anyway, to clarify while I don't have a staff to manage. Marv is a claimed miller I think tone wise he's town just based on his postings obviously, so that in itself totally negates most of the sentence I was taking crap for earlier that I under explained. Miller is obviously easy for mafia to fake claim so IF Marv slips into lazy mode just lynch him, if he's productive I had a good read. HF you have a good scum game I scummed you for tone and other things last game I can't say I have a reliable grip on you though, and you feel towny atm. This explanation for ignoring HF's questioning also rings true to me given last game where HF just browbeat Damdred for hours >< On February 04 2015 11:47 Damdred wrote: I am avoiding hf because his heads up his ass atm and its not enjoyable talking to him much And I still don't get the other reasons for scumreading Damdred, so -shrugs- | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:57 Holyflare wrote: but I was mafia and he thinks i'm town this game.........? why would it ring true in the slightest Because you're an obnoxious ego-driven twit as either alignment <3 love ya though (and you're still better than DP) | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:00 LightningStrike wrote: If DP reads this he going to kill you for it :O I seem to remember him already getting me mislynched. We'll call it retroactive retribution. | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:03 Eden1892 wrote: I liked Koshi's filter when I reread it too. Huh. Yeah I'll kill SL today and go from there. I don't like having exactly 3 scumreads but who knows. It got better with time, mostly (just fluff in the beginning). His 100% townread on me and leaving the vote on Breshke even after agreeing that Breshke seemed to be following his town meta doesn't sit well with me, though. | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:28 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin would bully her way into conversations! I was having a conversation with myself. Which should have been obvious if you were reading the thread (maybe not so much if just my filter). On February 05 2015 14:30 sicklucker wrote: wait what this is rstoulins reason for voting me? This is a reason not to vote me Can you show me where you've policy-lynched as town? It wasn't in the database from what I saw, which was the point. Also, the bolded section was where you insisted that you try as town, yet you were saying earlier this game that you don't try, because you try harder as scum? | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:59 sicklucker wrote: Ive only ever been lynch in my first game. it was kind of a self proclaimed "policy lynch in final 3" by the person who did it But whats this have to do with anything? Read Damdred's case on you, SL. And then read what I actually wrote. I'm not talking about you being the policy lynch, but rather you pushing policy lynches. | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:05 sicklucker wrote: I Already covered this since the void ive become a policy lynch believer. I said it multiple times in that game Weren't you scum in void? Am I missing something? (I didn't read that game.) | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:07 sicklucker wrote: Yes I was scum. You dont think I can tell the truth when im scum? When im scum I try to tell the truth as much as possible, when your scum your trying to be town not do random shit Yes, you can tell the truth as scum. But if you haven't actually pursued any policy lynches during a game while you were town, I don't see how you expect me to take it on faith that a change you decided to make while playing scum would actually be seen through in your town game. So what is it then? Do you try harder as scum or town? | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:11 Holyflare wrote: but if you can't take what he said seriously but he DID say it you can't use it in a scum read against him because then it's just null and wifom go sit in the corner, troll. i'm talking to sl right now | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:13 Holyflare wrote: I'm quite literally not trolling. This was your reason for scum reading him and now he's disproved it, I want to know if you're updating your read or not. I'm trying to get a read. Corner. Shoo. | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:11 Eden1892 wrote: I know dumbass That was my super secret tell. I was trying to covertly ask you about it without mentioning it because I wanted to know if you were okay with me openly discussing it to put my paranoia aside Since you obviously don't care: Holyflare claimed cop to start the game and it's bugging the shit out of me that I have no choice but to treat him as town until a cc shows up because I don't feel like he's actually been very productive like I'd expect from him How did I not catch this? o.0 I remember several posts about breadcrumbing, but that's it. | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:17 Eden1892 wrote: So fucking lynch JAT with me then asdfghjkl All 3 of the people you've named as your main suspects this game have tried several times harder individually than both of them put together. I give Palmar a pass on this sort of because I've played enough with him to know better, but not JAT I've never played with JAT I don't think. His questions seemed okay? What makes him scum? | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:25 Eden1892 wrote: This is what I was talking about, I should've quoted it in the same post. "Won't let you feign activity"? Someone read that and tell me it doesn't sound fraudulent as hell That's actually the thing that jumped out at me most just now when I went back through his filter. (Yes, I know it's been quoted already, but it seemed distinct from the tone of the rest of his posting.) | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:30 Eden1892 wrote: god damn it holyflare do you think that sounds genuine? i read it and immediately felt like jat was fronting hard like i know you're trolling me by specifically saying it doesn't sound fraudulent as hell but that doesn't preclude you actually agreeing or disagreeing with my point so please clarify The genuine part I can't really speak to. I'm trying to imagine playing scum with SL lol -_- didn't Void just finish? | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:40 Eden1892 wrote: But yeah this list. I don't like it at all. Holyflare is on there for no reason. I bugged him about this and he basically confirmed HF is there for no reason. He has 3 people that he lists as "could be convinced to lynch" but then says he would "need a good case on [them] to lynch them" which doesn't make sense. If you'd need a good case on them then obviously you don't really think they're mafia, so why do you even bother to list them in this set? What's really interesting too is that he clarifies to put rsoultin in this group, but unlike all the others here, rsoultin is actually being pushed. If you think someone probably isn't mafia then why aren't you going to bat for them in the thread when other people are trying to lynch them? When you distill it down it's just Damdred and SL which, oh yeah, have been the same targets people talked about all day. JAT provides no original insight or reasoning into lynching any of them and doesn't even bother to rehash reasons people already stated. And all that could be okay if it were just an update list to tell us where he's at, and if he planned to do more later to narrow this down and give some more useful reads. But that's not what happened. He ends up asking me some questions that clearly weren't going anywhere because "you can never be too sure" I'm not mafia. Says some stuff about SL that is incorrect, some other zzz one-liners. Put yourself in that situation as a townie. You allegedly have a pool of lynches that's half of the game long with 24 hours to pick one, and you know you have sleep and work coming up taking out the majority of that time. Surely you're going to make some meaningful effort to engage people and refine your views right? JAT doesn't do this. We should lynch him I could definitely get behind this. What bugs me is that as soon as you started seriously discussing a JAT lynch with SL, he AFK'd. Seems like SL should be happy to push his scumread as a counterwagon to his own lynch. I also don't like that stopped engaging me. Probably going to leave my vote on SL until he starts giving me warm fuzzies...or at least more warm fuzzies than JAT. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:51 Koshi wrote: Terrible idea. Terrible. Just pick somebody on your scumlist that isn't me. youre one of my scumleans kosh, with that weirdass read on me | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:34 Eden1892 wrote: I dunno but he has 10 minutes before I autofail him and lynch him instead of you Did you ever answer my question? Why Onegu? | ||
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I'm trying to figure out what Eden's doing since I don't have the time to read and decide for myself >< | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote: it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul <3 you too | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:34 marvellosity wrote: sl is gonna be mafia isn't he he'd better be | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:52 Breshke wrote: I think people have a right to still be suspicous of me. What stops me from claiming this as mafia Rso? Like marv enters the night with a vote on me and there are a number of other people gunning for me id need to do something to save myself Nothing does, bresh. Unless we're in mylo/lylo tomorrow and you just reek of scum, though, I won't be supporting a lynch on an unCCd blue. Sides, the timing makes me think you're probably town. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:53 Holyflare wrote: think you should shoot rso tbh instead of saving it, we'd be in a much better position! people that instantly believe = suspicious lol saying he's not the lynch is not the same as saying I believe him. Don't see what scum gains from claiming this early, though. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:58 marvellosity wrote: the later he claims, the less believable it gets yeah, I guess | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:02 Breshke wrote: RSo I don't know if its because you are trying to change your playstyle or because you have been busy but you are so different this game Part of it is playstyle; I've been trying not to be so spammy since I was mislynched. Most of it is I'm in the middle of a week-long mandatory briefing on separating the military. There's a ridiculous amount of paperwork/research I have to have ready by tomorrow for the Commander to approve my separation. | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:03 Eden1892 wrote: breshke is 100% town to me rn i'm kinda ready to lynch rsoultin on my terrible awful no good very bad emoticon argument because it's actually brilliant and genius in a terrible way i am still feelin koshi tbh. if he plays good d2 we don't have to lynch him but if he has a repeat of d1 his ass is done IMO i don't like how now bats' only real contribution to the game is tunneling on a townie LS could actually be mafia. maybe i want to ride with my baller scumread from this morning and say jat is mafia but i feel that'd be irresponsible palmarv are unimpressive too, but at least they tried. like if i lose to them as mafia because they maintained the appearance of competent townies having an off day amidst this fuckin zoo then i won't be too mad. i probably won't lynch them unless everyone steps up and they remain meh wtf is this? emoticons? | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:08 LightningStrike wrote: Like this  and this and many others.Lol, LS, I know what emoticons are. I just don't know how that's even a reason to scumread anyone? | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:10 Eden1892 wrote: you post them all the time normally. like -.- or :D or what have you your filter is largely devoid of them this game, which would coincide with being mafia to me lol, I kind of get your point but you're wrong...and now i'm thinking about them and it just feels weird thanks | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:21 Holyflare wrote: it's such a multifaceted case too, on the one hand you have her not posting emoticons which this case clearly emphasises the subject matter is about and then the use of unhappy faces portrays that she is uptight/sad/not her normal self, then the final nail is the coffin is that it says rs is mafia rs mafia confirmed you know that corner, troll? it's calling to you. go keep it company | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:31 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I'm not seeing policy lynching, and there's also this lovely gem from Metal where he was town: ##vote sicklucker | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote: youre one of my scumleans kosh, with that weirdass read on me | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:27 Eden1892 wrote: wow that was fast lol xP and? | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote: my lady do you still think I'm scum? You played with me when I was scum and as town too. Nah, I haven't thought you were scum since you came back in and explained yourself, LS. | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:29 Eden1892 wrote: i guess i don't have any lame gotchas to use so i'll have to actually think. boo such a pain, having to think, I know. anything else before I poof for awhile? | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:36 LightningStrike wrote: I thought only your brother was in the Military o.o He's an officer. I went enlisted. He's the numbers guy. I'm the wordsmith. And I'm getting out and have a 12-month budget to compile for some stranger to glance at for fifteen seconds tomorrow -_- If you've got anything you want me to look at, LS, leave it in the thread? | ||
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Bresh, are you doing vote analysis? I'm debating whether or not to wait for the weekend to reread and just look at the votes for tonight. @Eden...USAF Staff Sergeant, so E-5. You're not that far off. It'll be 6 years in April. | ||
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On February 06 2015 12:29 LightningStrike wrote: Just reread the thread when you're not busy ;D Yeah, but I meant tonight xP | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count - active votes now bolded for ease of viewing sicklucker (4): Damdred, rsoultin, justanothertownie, LightningStrike Onegu (3): marvellosity, Holyflare, Koshi justanothertownie (2): sicklucker, Palmar Koshi (2): Onegu, Eden1892 Breshke (1): batsnacks, Not voted (1): Breshke At the current vote count, sicklucker be walkin' the plank. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: On February 06 2015 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count - active votes now bolded for ease of viewing sicklucker (4): Damdred, rsoultin, justanothertownie, Koshi Koshi (3): Onegu, Eden1892, Breshke Onegu (3): Holyflare, sicklucker, LightningStrike Damdred (2): marvellosity, Palmar Breshke (1): batsnacks Not voted (0): At the current vote count, sicklucker be walkin' the plank. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: On February 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Final Vote Count Onegu (4): LightningStrike, Eden1892, rsoultin, Koshi Damdred (4): marvellosity, Palmar, Holyflare, sicklucker sicklucker (3): Damdred, justanothertownie, batsnacks Koshi (2): Onegu, Breshke Not voted (0): At the current vote count, Onegu be walkin' the plank. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: Just with a preliminary look at the voting, the obvious outlier here is Bats parking on Bresh, then switching last minute to a wagon that definitely was not going to be lynched before deadline with two others at 4 votes. (Just coloring the claims blue to keep myself straight, and y'all can thank me later for cleaning up all the strikethroughs) There's no way I'm getting through ~50 pages of thread tonight, Eden :/ | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:30 Breshke wrote: RSo i know you arnt caught up and people find them yuck but can you give me a reads list. Doesn't have to be detailed. Also you asked ebfore and I tried to do a VCA but i ended up just speculating about a lot of shit Completely not caught up, but okay. Town Eden - obv LS - stream-of-consciousness Leaning town Marv - solid town before, really indecisive tho Breshke - claim, light townread earlier Null Palmar - meh HF - trolling JAT - can't remember anything Scum Koshi - reads, afk vote Bats - votes | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote: Cleaned it up further for ease of viewing. Off the top of my head: - I don't think there's anything malicious to batsnacks's late switch. rsoultin makes a good observation that batsnacks's vote came a little too late to make it count, but given how chaotic the day was at the end (with multiple people not even knowing who had been lynched), it's entirely understandable that batsnacks might be mistaken in thinking that his vote would impact the lynch. - I'm struggling to see the mafia incentive for forming a wagon on Damdred at the last minute. marvellosity even started it as a claimed miller. Granted, claimed miller really doesn't mean anything... it's probably worthwhile to see why people got on this wagon, though. It came somewhat out of the blue. - Running with my thought from before that Koshi might be mafia, I actually feel like rsoultin could be mafia with him, because even though she declared intention to sheep me well in advance of EOD and even though I was very clear about wanting to vote between Onegu and Koshi, she didn't actually follow me until I moved off of Koshi and onto Onegu and even confirmed that I wasn't going back to Koshi. Associative reads and all, but this seems pretty damning since to my knowledge she didn't have much of a read on Koshi to that point (and thus no impetus to hesitate). I was actually diving Koshi's filter to double-check your comment on his pushing Breshke. The push started out strong, then seemed to peter out. Got a null feel off it. By the time I came back to the thread you'd switched to Onegu. You guys were too busy going batshit crazy to talk to me like I asked you to. | ||
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Anyway, I need sleep. Nite. | ||
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This is ridiculous. I should be scumread for inactivity and not knowing wth is going on, but instead it's - emoticons - she's not happy enough (3 town flips and the vets all playing like trash, what?) - if she's not scum we've already lost the game Well, gg. Seriously, breshke, I've already been mislynched once cause vets are too arrogant to reconsider their reads. Shoot me so this game can move forward. marv, what are you smoking to think that koshi is town? I just got him mislynched a couple games ago, and he was actually trying to still find scum, not doing this hissy fit thing he's doing this game. meh, work | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:16 marvellosity wrote: 3 mafia with a sentence of reasoning, rsoultin? read my reads post. it hasn't changed or wait till I get back from work. and for the love of god shoot me breshke...or shoot koshi, who is obv mafia, but if you're not going to shoot him, definitely shoot me | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:20 marvellosity wrote: great rsoultin, the whole nine words you gave us between your 5 scummiest players sure are bloody illuminating. xP what do you expect to be different? I dreamed myself caught up? | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:25 Koshi wrote: Did I get misslynched in a game and forgot it? Did that happen? Weren't you in student with me, DP and geript? | ||
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On February 06 2015 23:14 Palmar wrote: @rsoultin: I hate it when people try to attribute the whole "x is to stubborn to reconsider his read" to a group, be it vets or newbies. Literally _everyone_ has massive problems changing their mind. When someone has an idea about you, it will take a monumental effort to change that idea. Which is why I hate it when townies just don't try. It's just the nature of us. We know we can trust ourselves, so our pre-conceived biases are incredibly hard to overcome. This is why mafia shoots people who are right. Even if everyone knows mafia usually shoots people who are right, it's still almost always the best play for mafia to shoot people who are right, because those who survive often keep being wrong. It is so hard to change someone's mind. If you are being scumread, don't bitch about it, do something about it. Present better cases, look more town. If you're mafia, then w/e. objectively i know youre right, palmar. its just incredibly frustrating to me to wake up to more bs reasons to paint me scum. i actually think it /would/ help get ppl out of their tunnels on me if bresh shot me, but im not gonna just give up if im still here day 2. also @kosh whatever dude? i couldnt keep you two straight in carol either | ||
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On February 07 2015 02:28 Eden1892 wrote: I haven't read anything since getting to work. But I had a Zen moment on the way to work that I gotta share. Scum team is Holyflare rsoultin Koshi. lol now what is it? association? i have less exclamation points than normal!!!!!! | ||
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2. im not here the 8-10hrs leading up to eod except during breaks while yall spam the thread ^ scum me for being inactive, but news flash: my role pm did not change my workload ^^ | ||
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On February 07 2015 02:44 marvellosity wrote: how is it not true? what have you pushed the entire game? read my filter. or dont. i dont really care right now | ||
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On February 07 2015 03:00 marvellosity wrote: or just answer the question. tell me in your own words what you think you've pushed this game. what do you think sl was? just read my break is over | ||
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On February 07 2015 03:13 batsnacks wrote: I'm maybe forgetting but I only remember me and Damdred pushing SL. Selective memory. | ||
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On February 07 2015 02:35 Eden1892 wrote: It's not marv bc filter length. It's not Palmar bc marv hitch. It's not Breshke bc vig. It's not LS cause EOD move vote. It's not me cause I'm adorable And it's not batsnacks cause everyone tr him. So that leAves 4 and JAT/Hf aren't together. Then Zen moment says rise above own cloudy mind and seek truth. Truth says JAT town. Qed only reason to read marv town imo is his claim it's not palmar because why? it's not breshke because there's no cc it's not ls because ls is saying what he thinks without a filter you're hardly adorable. but still 95% town. your scum game was terrible xP everyone tring bats when he's done nothing I can see to be townread for (maybe it's in the pages I haven't read yet @.@) is an argument for his being mafia, not against your poe is flawed, eden that said, I still want to kill koshi. gonna take some time to see if I still feel that way when i'm caught up, but that's where I am right now | ||
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i'm not on when you guys are. I work all day and have limited access to the net. something most everyone here knows, actually, because this is nothing new. it's ridiculously demoralizing to return to 20 more pages every time I come back when I'm already behind. but i'm still doing what I can at night when i'm here i'll get caught up this weekend, assuming bresh doesn't shoot me, but do me a favor and actually read what i'm posting | ||
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On February 07 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote: nah i read the first few pages of your filter again and my mind still hasn't changed you only respond to questions with obvious answers that you can get just by reading, there's no real original thought or anything like that, no digging well i'm glad you read 25% of things and call it good. great job | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: he's right though you're just making excuses instead of solving right now yes right now I am not contributing much of real value. good job. just like I wasn't contributing much of real value when people were up my ass about damdred. that's not my entire filter and you both implying that is straight up bad | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: This comes off to me as just a whole lot of "Why me and not <x>?" Can't you just write a couple simple sentences about what you've done instead of making excuses and pointing fingers elsewhere? It's really easy look I'll do it for me as an example: 1) I pushed SL. 2) I pushed breshke. Or people could read. For instance, if you'd read you'd know that I pushed SL while you were busy going on about him then suddenly digressed onto a "Breshke is passive" hype. Like, literally I have no clue what you were doing Day 1 in your filter. You kept saying Breshke was the lynch but agreeing that all the other lynches were good, too? Wth? I've been engaging with the people in the thread here in the evenings trying to work out alignments, pushed LS before deciding he was town, talked to Onegu about both of his shit reads, picked out you as the oddball from the voting analysis no one else bothered to do. Kept saying the scumreads on Damdred didn't make sense. Read. My damn. Filter. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: auto-lynching rsoultin for saying "only reason to read town is because of his claim" what a bitch. not reading the thread much? nope ^^ think we've established that already I do remember a lot of not giving a shit where the wagon was going at EoD, though, and the push you and Palmar did on Damdred was just bad. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: Die. You first ^^ | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:31 marvellosity wrote: it was wrong, it wasn't bad. there's a difference. it also clearly wasn't scummy because we both cared about the lynch, and the only alternatives at the time were townies. you are awful or mafia. which is it? try inactive your turn awful or mafia, marv? | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: i'm neither i was wrong your question is bad, so you're again perpetuating how awful you are you die. very soon. xP bring it. you've been wanting to lynch me all game. hardly a surprise | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:35 batsnacks wrote: I don't need to read your filter I've read every post in this game at least twice. My job is intensely boring and I frequently have nothing to do but read what you write. I think the same is true for a lot of people that play this game... so yeah... we're all reading, so saying "go back and reread" is condescending. I was actually trying to help you out... what I posted is exactly what the people pressuring you want. just frustrated -_- I'm going to just leave the thread and not come back until I'm caught up, I think. Btw, I do want to know why you seemed to think all the wagons were good Day 1. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:34 marvellosity wrote: like you're aware enough of the push i made EOD. so you should know the circumstances of who flipped and know it wasn't scummy how i pushed damdred at the lynch so why are you trying to paint it like it is? tell me. everything you guys were pushing damdred for were real surface nonsense. questioning eden, for example, and his comment about not letting you skate on your claim. legitimately I had no clue wtf you and palmar were going on about, and only got suspicious when damdred seemed to be ducking the questions then because he was willing to switch to a different wagon at the end when people were not supporting his sl lynch? how is that scummy? maybe you believed it was, marv, but that was pure confirmation bias there. I just remember you saying you wanted to park your vote there but wouldn't argue for it. am I misremembering? | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:42 marvellosity wrote: because there is no answer. my push on damdred was insanely townie because it wasn't deflecting off any mafia wagon and it showed i gave massive shits about who we lynched when i didn't need to show any shits at all if i'm mafia. unlike some people i know who gave no shits at the lynch at all it was not insanely townie at all | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:42 batsnacks wrote: The SL wagon was good initially because he was posting, not playing, and posting about not playing. Also spite voting people who are dicks is great. The breshke wagon was excellent. I stand by everything I said and did. I just accidentally caught a blue instead of a red. They're really similar. The jat wagon was good because he wasn't contributing up to his normal, high, standards. Also the bullying people out of voting him, whoever said it, is true. The onegu wagon was good because onegu didn't do anything, claimed he would step it up, and never did. some of this must be from what I haven't read yet. i'll look into it, thanks | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:43 marvellosity wrote: yes it was and i just explained why can you not read? can you not? sorry marv but your words aren't gold; I don't agree with you. I don't remember anything that looked like you were very invested in where that lynch was going at all. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote: you're saying you didn't read any of the deadline!?!??!?!?!?!?!? maybe you're cool with not verifying things, but I'm not | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: that just means you haven't read anything around the lynch. you are insanely bad or mafia. i'm going for mafia because i don't think you're insanely bad. alright, marv. i'll give your posts special attention tonight, cause that is not at all how I remember it, and if you're owed an apology, you'll get one, but I doubt it i'm done until i'm caught up | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote: She can be insanely bad because I remember in a pregame for one of the mafia games i played with her I told her to just sheep my reads obv I forgot to tell her to do it this game but she would be scummy as hell for it though lol.... last post: most backhanded defense ever -_- | ||
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hint: it's not in the database yet http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v | ||
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The last time I was busy in a town game I had a 7-page filter for two days, and was absolute shit day 1. Palmar was trying to get me shot overnight for it. Protoss I'm not playing well right now, I get it. Let me get caught up before burying me, that's all I ask -_- | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: dw, Eden decreed we shall kill koshi and that'll do for me completely down for a koshi lynch as it stands | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:36 rsoultin wrote: Leaning town Marv - solid town before, really indecisive tho Breshke - claim, light townread earlier On February 07 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote: only reason to read marv town imo is his claim If you think that's not saying the same thing, you're duller than I thought. But go ahead and vote for me; I'm still reading. | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:20 marvellosity wrote: you don't say solidly town if it's just the claim you just don't you may not, but literally the only good reason i saw to call you town was CCing that fake miller claim, because I have no earthly clue why mafia would do that. frankly i still don't -_- | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:23 marvellosity wrote: and yet you explicitly mentioned the claim for Breshke. and? | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: Alright I think the new meanings of this exchange might be possible that rsoultin might of scumslipped now that we know that Koshi was scum in this game so therefore it could be possible that rsoultin is mafia but not really certain on it. ...wow, okay. you do realize the joke wasn't directed at koshi? how is that a scumslip? | ||
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Earlier it was bats, but I want to see if his reasons for saying all those wagons are decent or not first. If not him, probably JAT. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote: What do you think your scummiest post is? I need help writing a case on you so your cooperation is much appreciated. <3 you too | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: like you don't randomly bluehunt when there's a claimed vigilante with 2 shots. it's so wtf not without rbing the vig, anyway. but then, if bresh is mafia, why shoot koshi? it doesn't make sense from any direction | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:14 Eden1892 wrote: After I lynch mafia today and call Broski's shot and sweep mafia we'll call the Palmar kill the Immaculate Concession Eden how drunk are you right now? lol | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:14 Breshke wrote: Good point i have no idea. Maybe they believed i wouldnt shoot or palmar said something really good If anything, I'd say it would have to be the latter? I just don't see taking a risk like that. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:24 Holyflare wrote: You're saying we'd be mylo if he shut up but breshke was super suspicious day 1 and a likely lynch Makes no sense for town to claim at night with rbers tbh Do mafia shoot mafia? This is a legit question; do you have an instance where scum has made that play, because it seems entirely counterintuitive to me when mafia can just shoot two towns? | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:29 marvellosity wrote: well, he shot his scumbuddy. what else do you want me to say :p xP shhhhh i was talking mostly to HF. i may need to get a second corner for you lol | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:29 Holyflare wrote: does that mean you're caught up rsoul if you know what we're talking about? eh, I've been bad and halfway following the thread after the flip :/ no | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote: uh huh...... -shrugs- | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote: you really are a glutton for punishment aren't you  i'm pretty sure i'm a closet sub/borderline masochist? | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:36 Holyflare wrote: I'd much prefer if you caught up with the thread though Yeah, I know. I won't post again till I'm caught up for real this time. | ||
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On February 07 2015 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin had you finished reading the thread? More or less, yeah. I'm looking for something specific in bats' filter right now, though. What's up? | ||
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Bats, can you tell me why breshke being "passive" caused you to switch to him from SL? I know that you mentioned that SL responded well to your vote on him, but what was the tipping point? | ||
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On February 07 2015 11:56 Breshke wrote: RSo is it at all possible for you to give me a more detailed answer to my question before now that you are more caught up I don't really see a world with both HF and jat in it either, is the problem, really. Which just makes me start revolving around possibly ls (which I don't like cause he seems so town this game) and HF, or jat and bats. With an outside possibility of marv for some of his posting on Day 1. I guess jat and marv could kinda work. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote: Do you mention marv because nothing else makes sense or do you find him scummy?Like im asking for an explanation on the "for some of his posting on Day 1" part. He's right that his last push on Damdred gained steam. I think I was doing the same thing to him as he was to me, not really remembering much of what he was posting cause we weren't in the thread at the same times for the most part. Leading up to that, though, there just wasn't a lot of direction. His filter's ridiculous long for scum, though, so add that into the strong push on the end on a town against other town wagons and the highly risky miller claim at the start of the game and I don't think it's likely. You and Eden I'm fairly certain on. Fairly. Like, as scum if you don't feel comfortable shooting a town, you just claim to be RBed, right? I don't know how many people really would pull a vivax. So if not ls and hf, or bats and jat, I'd think it would have to be marv. Pretty unbelievable, though. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote: I couldn't imagine a world with HF being mafia in Linux until HTS claimed so anything can be possible :O See, that's my other problem with this game. I've only seen HF as scum...and both times he fooled me lol. He's been in my null pile all game with the trolling because of it. I'm getting a less aggressive feel from him this game, however; I just don't know if that's alignment-indicative or not? Are any of the people who have played with HF as town able to answer that? | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:22 Breshke wrote: Could it not be one of Bats and Jat with LS aswell? Do you see LS bussing anyone as scum? He cozied up real nice to bats in our first game, and he voted for a scummate, but he wasn't going against the thread to do it. So I guess it's possible he could be scum with Jat...just not feeling it. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:29 LightningStrike wrote: Also bats been saying that for a while rsoultin if I recall from my memory from playing with him. Has he? You mean in more than one game? | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote: It might of been on your first game on TL Mafia in Student IV if I recall correctly. Oh, lol, I don't remember. I remember being very certain he was scum xP Dude, HF's filter on void after one day @.@ If that's his regular town game, though, the trolling is a distinct departure. I really don't want to read a ton of his games tonight after just getting through this thread to see what's normal and what isn't. Gonna bookmark that for morning. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:34 Eden1892 wrote: Jill KAT For being so adamant about Breshke not taking a shot? | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:38 LightningStrike wrote: He listed all his games in his profile if you want to bookmark that to check out his other town games Lol, thanks LS. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:46 Breshke wrote: So we have 3 kills so i basically just doing POE because townreads are easier for me 1 Breshke 2 Eden1892 3 rsoultin 4 LightningStrike 8 marvellosity 10 batsnacks 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie So 8 players left i need 4 townreads other than myself Eden is for sure town or a sociopath. He carried me as mafia once and i think if he was mafia he would have more of a direction. Marv, i agree with you about his claim being risky for mafia and i liked his play D1. Also im fairly sure if he flips scum we can just blame palmar? Heres where it gets hard. I think you are townie RSo and i can't explain why other than I dont see anything scummy. You are different this game but i can attribute this to a lot of things like you trying to change your play (which i don't agree with) and you being busy. Also whenever you give your reads lists i can resonate with a lot of the stuff you say. This is a very hesitant town read though because I think it is easy for me to say you are town. Then the last town would be between HF or LS. If JAT flips scum i think it is really unlikely that HF is scum although it is completely possible he busses both his partners but it seems unnecessary when he could have just pushed on you. I want to call LS town but something feels off cant really explain that anymore So i want to lynch in this order JAT Bats LS/HF I just really like LS lol, I think I'm predisposed to townread him cause his posting comes off so natural to me. He has seemed a ton more confident this game than games in the past, but that could easily be attributed to his just playing more. I think it's natural for players to get more confident rather than less confident with time. Kinda using Eden's GB read on Eden; his mind changes so often, and he votes everyone under the sun...but 65% of the time for valid reasons at least given what's going on in the thread at the time. That seems more likely to come from town than scum. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote: ...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot Okay, but even assuming they have no RB...which a 2-shot vig without an RB is kinda lolworthy...why no kill either? | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:55 LightningStrike wrote: Are you suggesting that Eden is a GB clone this game? One that makes more sense and doesn't quite scream KILL [INSERT NAME OF TUNNELED SCUMREAD HERE] !!!! every other time he posts | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:57 Eden1892 wrote: If this is the heuristic I think it is I'm going to be really happy. What heuristic are you using here rso? (if any) The town more easily changes their minds than scum one...mind you I'm paraphrasing you cause I don't think in words lol. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: There's a possibility that JAT is town i guess and they thought if i wasn't going to no shoot i would shoot him. Also it could be so we would do this type of speculation. Honestly i came close to not shooting but marv some post from marv made me not want to be a punk about it Yeah, I guess it's pointless to speculate, especially if that's my only reason for hesitating on JAT. Really do want to hear why bats is pushing HF though. | ||
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Lol, HF, yes I did see him post that. Just seems pretty scanty. I'm actually expecting some sort of compelling townread on JAT or something, if bats is town, cause yeah. | ||
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On February 07 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote: Because this donkey town gave him the keys to be perpetually townread by making decisive pushes on people even if they don't make sense I know the real reason Palmar was shot now. This guy would have buried batsnacks tomorrow. 100%. #TrustInPalmar That's plausible, though not from this game, Eden -flicks whip at- | ||
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On February 07 2015 13:42 Holyflare wrote: nobody can possibly have a town case for jat lol I know I sure don't | ||
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On February 07 2015 20:40 marvellosity wrote: Brilliant! if Jat is mafia, bats is town or mafia. That's added to my understanding of this game tremendously. Great way to miss my point entirely, marv. Full marks. | ||
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On February 07 2015 22:48 justanothertownie wrote: I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit. If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this? Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! | ||
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On February 07 2015 23:59 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin what you think of JAT's case on HF being scum for the 3rd time with me and you? I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:05 justanothertownie wrote: "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:14 justanothertownie wrote: I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try. All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:53 justanothertownie wrote: Let's just kill SL. On February 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote: or maybe Onegu? I don't know So what were your much better reasons to kill SL again? | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:33 justanothertownie wrote: This is literally the next post in my filter. No way you don't see this when you post those quotes. You can also have a look at damdreds case on him. Sure, I saw that, but I also see Marv (I believe) making the exact same argument for Damdred about pushing SL then not caring where the lynch goes. You don't even mention Onegu again. That says why you voted SL, but not why you had such better reasons to. And that case Damdred made on him was made the night before. I should know; it's why I went through SL's town games and chose to push SL myself. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: What is the bolded even supposed to say? Ridiculous. So what if marv made that argument about damdred? I didn't think damdred was scum and I also said that multiple times. And wtf does it matter when damdred made his case? You were waffling on SL and Onegu long after Damdred made his case, so that can't be why. Keep up. | ||
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On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote: Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want? I asked you why you had so many more reasons to pursue the SL lynch, and you tell me to look at Damdred's case? When well after he posted his case you clearly weren't sure on whether the lynch should be SL or Onegu? This really isn't that hard to follow, jat -_- | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: What is the bolded even supposed to say? Ridiculous. So what if marv made that argument about damdred? I didn't think damdred was scum and I also said that multiple times. And wtf does it matter when damdred made his case? So here's what I just don't get. And maybe I'm just dumb or something, but where in all that rigamarole were you so much more certain that SL was scum than Onegu, when it's clear you thought Damdred was town and voting Onegu would keep Damdred from being lynched? If I have a townread up for lynch I'm going to try to make sure he doesn't die, especially when I have no reason to townread the other two wagons. In fact, that is almost always my play on Day 1 because I rarely have a strong scumread, and even when I do people usually don't listen to me. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote: I kinda agree with jat, i don't think a jat/bats team makes that much sense to me. dunno, we got over a day, so a lot of time to muse on it What about it doesn't make sense? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: I told my townreads on the damdred wagon that I don't think he is a good lynch. I pushed his counterwagon SL and voted him. What is your fucking point? I think you see my point just fine given your answer. What in marv/palmar/hf's posting ever gave you the impression that you telling them the lynch was "bad" was enough to get them off Damdred? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote: jat's not the sort of player to repeatedly hard-clear his team-mate alright, so you think it's me and hf instead or something? | ||
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jat is sitting here waffling between sl and onegu he keeps saying damdred is a bad lynch, damdred is town marv and palmar at the very least are so tunneled there's no way they're gonna move so instead of hammering onegu who has 4 votes with damdred to keep damdred from being lynched, he parks his vote on sl where it's not going to do any good? so even in a world jat where you think sl is more likely scum than onegu, what makes you so sure of that from one minute to the next that you're not going to vote to save your townread? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:16 justanothertownie wrote: I am acting dumb? So I am town, yes? And why do you keep saying my vote on SL is doing nothing when there were as many votes as they were on Onegu or even more for the longest time? mafia can act dumb too your vote on sl didn't accomplish anything at EoD, yes or no? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin if you're town, it could actually be jat/hf. they're just the type of players who would bus each other and try to make the thread think it's an either/or situation so I've never played with a town HF, and I don't think I've ever played with jat at all. do you have games off the top of your head that can back this up? if not I'll just go looking myself. we have plenty of time. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote: No. Because there were more votes on SL than on damdred at any time. Your whole line of reasoning is invalid. Weren't you the one who asked me if I was going to sheep Eden or not in-thread? Meh, I've got to take a look at the vote progression again I guess. I thought it was pretty obvious SL wasn't the lynch at the time, but it was really chaotic at EoD. | ||
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Is LS still around? He said he thought the case on HF was good, asked me about it, then poofed. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: HF please satisfactorily rebut JAT's case so I don't have to lynch you over him against literally every emotional fiber of my being right now Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:05 batsnacks wrote: I switched to SL because I was the only one voting breshke. That wasn't the question. The question was why you switched from SL to Breshke the night before? | ||
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well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? | ||
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I mean the literal night -_- You're in the U.S. so our nights are the same. You have to know what I mean by you switching from SL to Breshke. I can find the quotes if you don't remember. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:13 batsnacks wrote: Oh I know what you mean. It was because SL had some really decent responses to my half-case on him: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2015 22:09 batsnacks wrote: SL is mafia this game here's why: Post game in Void mafia he went on this cocky spiel about how he doesn't try any harder than he needs to as mafia because he doesn't want to reveal all his skills in one game. This game he starts out saying he won't be contributing and he isn't. Voting Damdred is also consistent with this theory because the people in this game SL considers "strong players" are all voting Damdred and sheeping them is an easy way to stay off their radar. Instead of trying to contribute far out original theories like town SL does he is deferring to people like marv, asking them if things are "weird," as if asking for approval. That's your case and not his points, bats? Okay, so why do you think HF is mafia over jat? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote: well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:34 batsnacks wrote: Where did your questions get you rs? Do you think jat is mafia? you still haven't answered my questions, bats and yes, yes I do. his vote on sl at EoD was weird | ||
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Sorry, didn't see it. What exactly is jat doing for this game? I'll grant that HF isn't doing much, either, particularly in the very beginning, but I don't see anything amazing from jat. His case came after you were so certain it was HF. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:40 marvellosity wrote: you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote: Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. EBWOP: If it makes one scum, how does it not make the other equally scum? This case just doesn't impress me, and frankly I'm fully expecting to be pushed Day 3 regardless of which one of these two is lynched this phase because they've set me up very nicely for it. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote: jat's HF case is amazing. You're the only one that doesn't think so. And it doesn't really matter when the case came relative to my vote. Associating jat's case with my vote is not a valid criticism of the case. My vote needs to be bad or scummy independent of the case. The case needs to be bad or scummy independent of my vote. I'm trying to understand your vote, not paint it scummy, bats. Your vote came before the case. | ||
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Okay, yeah, that makes sense :/ | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:48 batsnacks wrote: Why would you say this jat's case doesn't implicate you at all? Lol, no? What has he been screaming about in the thread all day? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:50 batsnacks wrote: My vote was awesome and HF already quoted my explanation twice and you keep saying you don't understand like that will make it go away. HF understands and the vote is on him. Why don't you? The trolling -_- I guess I just don't put as much weight on that as you apparently do. | ||
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Okay, bats, but if we're going to be getting into technicalities here, I didn't say the case was about me, now did I? I said I expect to be lynched Day 3 regardless of how this goes between HF and Jat. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:53 batsnacks wrote: "The trolling -_-" is a gross misrepresentation of what I wrote. Disagree. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote: 1) "idk," that means I don't think my reasons are strong. 2) "you're just not town HF," that means I don't think HF is playing his town meta. 3) HF said himself he was in rare form this game. That means 2) is valid. 4) HF is usually heavily invested in games as town and HF has trolled more in his recent scum games e.g. Linux mafia. 5) I move my vote around a lot, that means I like to use it to pressure people. 6) I think HF is the most deserving of pressure because 3) and 4). So you can disagree but you would be wrong. Fair enough. I don't know how HF plays his town games. I just can remember a whole lot more interesting coming from HF than I can from jat. Gonna just leave and read some old games. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:06 batsnacks wrote: You're wasting your time. Not that I actually think you're going to read old games I think you just feel like you need an excuse to exit the thread. Go back and read -this- game... your time would be much better spent. I've read this game, you twit. That's my problem; I like HF more than I like jat this game, even with him pushing me hardest of anyone. I don't know anything about trolling and whether that's alignment-indicative or not, but he's been much less aggressive this game than in the other two I played with him when he was scum. He seems less sure of his reads, and believe it or not, I think that makes him town, because when he was scum he seemed sure about everything. Could he be fooling me? Hell yes. But I don't think he's more likely to flip scum than jat based on this game. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:20 batsnacks wrote: If you've read this game and you are serious, then I don't think it's possible to finish jat's case thinking "so what?" xP what is the purpose of this post, anyway? either I'm scum and you're right or I'm town and you're wrong. y'all can keep liking his case if you want. it wasn't that great the first time, and it's not that great now, imo | ||
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On February 07 2015 23:43 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so first of all HF is one of the best if not the best scum player on this site. You won't catch him for being inactive uninteresting or any of this shit and he will bus teammates who are playing badly. He will say towny stuff from time to time and he is also perfectly able to "mindmeld" with you at times. You need to look for the agenda he is pushing. This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: So, I point this out and this is his reaction: Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: And then the real gem comes: Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. | ||
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On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote: Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want? I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie. Then his defense against me: This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote: The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself. | ||
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It doesn't prove anything, and it's hardly good like everyone keeps saying it is. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you. So? That was still after all his other scumreads flipped town, and still was completely based on my activity level. Try again. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote: How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw. Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:03 justanothertownie wrote: This was way before the lynch. Rsoultin was not being active later. Still he didn't scumread her enough to consider lynching her anymore. which page was that, jat, cause I just tried to find it? | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:03 marvellosity wrote: pretty sure he'd say so himself whether he's town or mafia too. okay, so maybe it wasn't policy. I know I've played like shit this game, and I know that I in particular am usually an insanely active town player, even though I've tried to cut that back since the game I was mislynched. I perfectly understand people scumreading me, frankly, but it doesn't really matter. The point is, during the day, am I believably acting more scummy than the wagon that HF was pushing? To the point that HF pushing an Onegu wagon despite having me as scum in his earlier posts is alignment-indicative? Considering I wasn't a wagon despite being inactive all day, I think it pretty much speaks for itself. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote: I am not doing your work for you. Look into my filter and you will find it. Dude, no wonder I couldn't find it. This quote is from nearly 24 hours before EoD. I'd actually come back into the thread since then, and his comment about preferring an rs lynch was in response to someone trying to get him to vote Bresh. Did you bother with context at all? | ||
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It was you. Gotcha mofo xP You flatout asked me if I was sheeping Eden, lol. There is no possible way you didn't know that I was switching wagons. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:33 justanothertownie wrote: That doesn't change the fact that he should have scumread you for being inactive eod like he conveniently said he would AFTER the lynch. Shoulda woulda coulda. Read his pages of filter on Onegu and tell me why he should have been scumreading me over Onegu. You may not think he believed Onegu was scum despite all the posts on him, but the fact that HF wasn't voting me can hardly be called alignment-indicative. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:37 justanothertownie wrote: I fail to see what this has to do with anything. You knew that SL wasn't going to be the lynch, because you knew I was going with Eden, who was deciding between koshi and onegu. Yet you stayed on him anyway and just yolod it, letting your townread possibly get lynched. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:40 justanothertownie wrote: Yes it fucking can if he tries to push 3 (!) people over his surefire scumread (you) at eod and then after the mislynch goes back to scumreading you. Yes, that is alignment indicative. Surefire is a huge stretch, jat, and you know it. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: The fact that you keep repeating this incorrect statement does not make it true magically. It's okay, jat. I know you can't admit it | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:45 justanothertownie wrote: This is the votecount a few minutes before deadline and batsnacks already said he would vote SL too. No stfu. So you just decided to ignore all the other vote changes for the next ten minutes? lol | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:18 batsnacks wrote: What's the case on jat? He has many votes and reasons are scarce. For me it's mostly just how he was behaving at EoD and being pretty forgettable the rest of the game. Sure, he fought back against people scumreading him, but I don't remember him helping trying to solve the game or anything. (And yes, mostly I'm just going off what I've seen many others say in the thread about Jat's town game being infinitely better than this.) Pretty sure I've got him dead to rights on that SL vote though ^^ | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:25 batsnacks wrote: You've been talking about jat's case for hours so saying you don't remember him trying to solve the game isn't really fair. Like if jat is town that case is a massive effort at trying to solve the game. Also jat rarely makes cases in any game... he's more of a conversational player so again, the case is a big deal. Can you explain the SL vote thing and why it makes him scummy? I voted SL and I didn't give any reasons for it. Do you have me dead to rights too? Bats, I could explain it again, but frankly I've done it about 3 times. If you didn't agree with it then, you won't now. The point was not who he voted, but his reads at EoD which made staying on SL highly suspect. The case is clearly defensive. He has one point in the first section that's frankly weak, and the second section is all ways of saying how he isn't scum therefore HF must be rather than proving anything about HF. If he's town, then yeah, I'd agree he's trying to solve the game, but have to say he should stick to conversation cause the case just isn't good. (That's really not a dig at you either, jat, if you really are town, cause my cases get laughed at when I try to make them, too, even when I am right on my read.) | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:32 justanothertownie wrote: There is no way you arrive at the bolded conclusion if you read my case. Absolutely no way. We've already had this conversation. I posted my thoughts on your case when bats asked me the first time. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote: I would say that if jat is mafia then rs is an easier target but that's not proving to be the case... HF hasn't done anything today other than have a small conversation with me. There are a lot of people missing today, bats, but yeah, I was wondering where HF got off to as well -_- | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:36 batsnacks wrote: Yeah we don't need to have this conversation twice. I'm just curious why HF looks better than jat. I don't understand it and I want to, and apparently other people do understand it because jat has more votes. I can't speak for everyone else; I'm sorry. If there's anything else you want from me, just ask? | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:40 batsnacks wrote: Vote HF? I swear he's the better lynch I wouldn't lie as either alignment about this. You'd have to convince me he's the better lynch with logic, bats. I'm not sure that you're town, and even if I was, I generally don't blindly follow people unless I have no other choice. | ||
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xP Yeah, I know I'm a hypocrite. Doesn't make it less true. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:46 batsnacks wrote: That's sort of the point though. HF is logically the better lynch right now. jat did things today, HF hasn't. YOU have done more today than HF. HF is the better lynch. If activity was the only reason I thought jat was scum, that would make sense? But if HF continues being AFK throughout the day phase, I'll consider switching. Gonna read those old games in the meantime. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:46 batsnacks wrote: RS if HF is town he doesn't need you to defend him. He needs you to vote him to motivate him to defend himself. Alright, bats. I'll indulge you for the time being. | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote: So isnt this game really easy. RSo, JAT, bats and hf If yoy could all give a read on LS that would be great. He's dropping several pegs for me right now because of the question on my take on jat's case against hf, no follow-through, a comment about being gone when I asked where he was and generally being afk, in all honesty. (Not sure how you think the game is easy, either :/) | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:14 Breshke wrote: But unless my shot gets stopped dont we get 4 kills. So if we think LS is town we can call everyobe else ummm assuming we lynch scum today 6:1 and you hit scum of course we win, but if you hit town 4:1 yeah, I guess we do get four kills then. so if LS is town just kill everyone who looks suspicious? lol | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: Why can't JAT and rso both be town? Scum HF can forget to suspect town rso. I think it might be Hf and LS I guess it's plausible. Most combinations from HF/jat/bats/ls/me are technically plausible, when you get right down to it. | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote: LS is not town Rsoultin soul read is too true. But JAT case on Hf so pure. Hf LS team. Hijole haiku Why am I the only one who doesn't like jat's case? -_- LS scum would make me ;o;, but I'd be lying if I said I was at all sure of him att | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:27 Breshke wrote: Another thing going for JAT is that if i do get roleblocked i think it makes him more likely town. No way do scum koshi and scum JAT not roleblock me there +1 | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: Isnt koshi the one who flames hosts for bad setups? he didnt seem salty in thread so either he hides emotions well or scum have a RB or something dunnae? if scum has an RB that's gonna make it into one of the wtf awards...what is that award called technically? lol what with everyone talking about you shooting between koshi and jat | ||
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On February 08 2015 10:36 LightningStrike wrote: I got a magic 8 ball I will use next Day phase to find the last scum due to WIFOM. Penny for your thoughts? (and not the magic 8 ball's?) | ||
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On February 08 2015 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: If I die from Mafia it's Eden if rsoultin dies it's Eden if JAT dies it's rsoultin if marv dies it's rsoultin if breshke dies it's anyone. That what my Magic 8 Ball say for now. lol o.0 how do you arrive at that? just who is scumreading who? | ||
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On February 08 2015 11:07 LightningStrike wrote: You being scumread by Marv and JAT I being scumread like complete 180 from Eden after he called me 100% town earlier Breshke would die 100% by anyone due to him being blue if there is no roleblocker for mafia although I forgot bats but I don't think anyone will kill him since his only scumread is up for lynch HF So you're townreading marv, bresh and JAT and are unsure about everyone else, is that it? | ||
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On February 08 2015 11:22 LightningStrike wrote: Add bats in my townreads and you got my list. Care to explain why for your reads? | ||
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On February 08 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote: Eden complete 180 turn on me is really making me cringe like he called me 100% town earlier in N1 and now doing a complete 180 is like wut..... bats is being bats and voting for his scumread like he didin Student IV. Breshke is unCCed Vig Marv as scum would be called scum Day 1 or Night 1 by Palmar and he looked really townie with his questioning on you. rsoultin I never played with you are scum and I starting you question my own read on you baby girl JAT's defense and making a really good case on HF being scum is making him a top town in my books. Meh, maybe I'm just the nutball around here, but I really don't understand what is so shiny about jat's case. Maybe someone can explain it to me, sometime. What I find weird, LS, to be frank, is that you kept saying I was town when I was largely inactive earlier and now that I'm up to speed I'm scum? It's not quite as much a 180 as Eden pulled (but Eden's reads have jumped so much all game anyway lol) but it doesn't match up with what's going on in the thread. Maybe I'm biased, but that's how I see it. JAT's case alone suddenly had you townreading him, who you were voting earlier, voting HF, and questioning me? It's like a magic case or something to go along with your magic 8 ball xP | ||
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On February 08 2015 11:47 Eden1892 wrote: You got him with the flip flop. Same thing Hf did but in reverse Pack it up we're done here I <3 you, Eden, but he irony of you jumping on anyone for flip-flops lol... I'm just not understanding LS'...HF flip-flopped on me after talking to me for hours, and I don't know that a flip-flop is still an accurate descriptor since it wasn't a strong town read. You also flipped on me during the same conversation. | ||
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On February 08 2015 12:20 Eden1892 wrote: Hf had you as top scum for most of d1, forgot about you at EOD and resumed being on you until discussion went elsewhere. That's not a townie progression LS had you as sure town then sure mafia without any real explanation and then when he's called out on it he doesn't make sense as to why I've gone back and forth a billion times but explained myself as much as I could and with mostly sensible (if not great) reasons And LS had me as definite town then called me mafia because I suspected him and is now nonsensically trying to hedge after being called out. He said if x or y die then I'm mafia but then says he wasn't calling me mafia ??? Eden, an exercise. Have you reread HF's filter lately? Of course the way JAT presented it looks like HF forgot about me, but just look at the sheer amount of time that passes between that read and EoD, and the progression of his read on Onegu, Breshke and Damdred. Believe me, after your shenanigans last game and DP pocketing geript, I'm paying attention to people doing things that don't make sense. JAT's misrepresenting it. LS' read changes don't make sense, I agree. Yours are pretty clear. | ||
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On February 08 2015 13:54 Holyflare wrote: I hope you realise I'm town???? Jat even cited an hts read from void which i only pushed in the last hour of void incessantly over any scum read i had in that game. Much like onegu this game. In fact almost identically. He also uses THE EXACT same case that koshi tried to push on me but koshis was that i barely mention jat so we must be scum together and jat is that i barely mention koshi so we must be scum together??? The case isn't great if you have literally any idea how i play town at all. Which jat most definitely does. Why weren't you pushing me for lynch Day 1, HF? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:01 Holyflare wrote: I kinda wrote about my feels for you at night. +i thought onegu was really obvious mafia and i felt strongly about it. I actually omly switched to damdred because of a lingering what if he is scum moment and because you joined the onegu wagon and so did many people who weren't particularly town reading me just because i was yelling about it hence why i said abandon ship. Have your reads changed any after reading the...well, mess, lol...that went on today? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:11 Holyflare wrote: No I'm in a bit of an emergency irl so I only saw the case and spam of how I'm obvious mafia and didn't pay much attention to it. It's awfully funny how A) jat never makes cases as town B) jats case actually contains lies about how i play town C) jat is somehow the only one that said the game is super solved when the nk happened C is weird as shit because he didn't reevaluate me in the slightest when koshi flipped mafia after me and eden discussing to definitely shoot him in the night and instead only quoted one post where I said i thought he was blue and didn't quote the plethora of posts on page 14/15/16 where i say koshi is 100% mafia and try and convince marv etc about it. Okay, well, whenever you get a chance, then. Sorry to hear things are going yuck for you :/ Btw, if you want me to townread you, HF, for pushing koshi and the shot, but then scumread me when I was telling Bresh to shoot me or koshi, it's not gonna fly, just saying xP | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote: RSo is this town LS? Like i really don't know and realised i havn't played with "VT" LS like ever i think he has always been a powerrole or mafia. I don't get his reads or why he wants to lynch HF and is so sure about it yet need to wait for the nk to find another mafia. It also doesn't seem to register for him that i get another shot I have one theory that would make him town, and because of that theory I want to make sure that I think jat is more likely scum than HF before I switch back, but if that theory isn't right then the rest of this makes no sense whatsoever. LS has played more confidently all game than I'm used to, and note how his reads are so under-explained today when he usually does the rambling run-on sentences thing that's half a read and half a summary of what happened in the thread before. I think if HF is lynched today and flips town, LS should be high on the lynch list, in all honesty, for this sudden change in behavior. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:25 Holyflare wrote: And I'm pretty sure i convinced breshke to open up discussion of nk's and shoot koshi and stuff You did. I was there. The big shiny case syndrome has swept the player-base, but you're going to have to rebutt it, HF, cause the too lazy to be assed to double-check syndrome has also swept the player-base, at least imo. | ||
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Breshke, ask him about the points that had you wanting to switch to HF, please? I've already put in my way more than two cents, and you're less biased I think. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote: I mean like... I did just rebutt it a bit?? (It's not really me you have to try that hard to convince. But jat was trying to say we were mafia together, and I know myself well enough to know that part of why I pushed back so hard and am inclined to scumread him over you is because of that. Did the same thing with Damdred when he did that with me and Bresh in an earlier game.) | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:32 Breshke wrote: It is so bad but this really makes me think you are town haha fuck RSo is the theory you have about LS is him being blue? I guess it doesn't hurt to say yes at this stage. I can't see him playing this way as VT. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:39 Holyflare wrote: This is what made me hesitate on an rsoul read The EoD time is what's annoying -_- Normally I still kind of keep up, I know, so I can't complain that much about being scumread for being inactive. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:42 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin if I was blue why in the hell would I claim VT when Damdred was pushing me? Also Breshke I suggest you read Newbie Mafia LX and Metal Mini when I was VT in both of those games and got mislynched in Newbie Mafia LX Day 2 and here is my filters from both of those games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=LightningStrike Because your being blue is the only thing I can think of that explains your sudden shift in reads, unless jat's case really was like a Eureka moment to you | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:40 Holyflare wrote: What other bs did he spout about me? I'm pretty sure it was all in the case, HF? I don't think he brought up any new points, just kept insisting that we're the scumteam and he's solved everything. | ||
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I was speculating on why bats has never seemed to even mention jat, but jat defended him several times in the game. Marv says jat never does that with a scum partner. That ring true? | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:48 LightningStrike wrote: Because I Was playing Pokemon TCG Online trying to grind for some pokemon there :O HF You played with JAT as scum before can you tell me that the behavior that JAT is doing this game is the same when he was scum in the past? Hey, LS, did you read my critique on jat's case? If you did and don't agree with it, can you tell me why it's wrong? People keep on saying it's good, but not why, and not why I'm wrong. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:55 LightningStrike wrote: Bats did talk to JAT once and mention him twice excluding the question thing towards the host on the votes and it's on end of page 6 and Page 7. Yeah, I'll check, but if that's from today (which by the page numbers it sounds like it) then that came after I called him out on it xP Just sayin | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:59 LightningStrike wrote: To be fair I shadowed you in that game but he played but it seems odd about JAT indeed. Okay I siding with you I trusting meta over JAT's case now it's the only I can think of now. ##Unvote: ##Vote: justanothertownie LS. Seriously. You're going to have to tell me why you liked jat's case so much. It's gonna bug me until you do. | ||
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Then his defense against me: This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. Can you explain your posts here? Which poe were you referring to, essentially? It's the one point in the case I didn't follow very well. | ||
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So I'm assuming your point was that he talked about all the others and not me? I know he was on SL and mentioned Onegu very briefly...in fact, as a litmus test sorta deal, would you please look at jat's posting leading up to EoD and tell me what you think about it? | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:15 Eden1892 wrote: Lightning Strike should be the lynch today IMO. I'll grant part of it is not wanting to think about JAT or Hf but yeah, I like him best. We can vig Hf after that or JAT if preferred Getting more and more okay with this, Eden -_- Feels a bit like a cop-out to just give up on trying to determine HF and jat's alignment, though. Did you reread HF's filter like I asked you to? | ||
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Btw, LS, using that crtl+f trick, bats hardly mentions jat at all until today except when asked about him. Course, I haven't done that with all the other players, so in that sense it may not be significant, but his HF is scum over jat think looks stranger because of how he hasn't seemed to read jat before now. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:05 rsoultin wrote: So here's what I just don't get. And maybe I'm just dumb or something, but where in all that rigamarole were you so much more certain that SL was scum than Onegu, when it's clear you thought Damdred was town and voting Onegu would keep Damdred from being lynched? If I have a townread up for lynch I'm going to try to make sure he doesn't die, especially when I have no reason to townread the other two wagons. In fact, that is almost always my play on Day 1 because I rarely have a strong scumread, and even when I do people usually don't listen to me. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote: wow you both are acting dumb today. let me spell it out for you: jat is sitting here waffling between sl and onegu he keeps saying damdred is a bad lynch, damdred is town marv and palmar at the very least are so tunneled there's no way they're gonna move so instead of hammering onegu who has 4 votes with damdred to keep damdred from being lynched, he parks his vote on sl where it's not going to do any good? so even in a world jat where you think sl is more likely scum than onegu, what makes you so sure of that from one minute to the next that you're not going to vote to save your townread? frankly I'm sad that only jat and marv have even commented on this point :/ | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:57 Holyflare wrote: I don't think that really weighs in rsoul, i wasn't particularly sure who was dying between onegu or damd either. People on sl were just wasting their votes though. Eh, psht. No one ever likes my points ;o; I explicitly said, (and he explicitly asked me, too, so he knew) that I would be sheeping Eden who was trying to decide between koshi and onegu. There was no way that SL was the lynch without me on it. I guess technically he could have just not realized that in all the chaos, along with your switch to Damdred, but you were ALL CAPSing and he'd asked me directly if I was sheeping Eden so I find it hard to believe he was completely oblivious. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:01 rsoultin wrote: Eh, psht. No one ever likes my points ;o; I explicitly said, (and he explicitly asked me, too, so he knew) that I would be sheeping Eden who was trying to decide between koshi and onegu. There was no way that SL was the lynch without me on it. I guess technically he could have just not realized that in all the chaos, along with your switch to Damdred, but you were ALL CAPSing and he'd asked me directly if I was sheeping Eden so I find it hard to believe he was completely oblivious. EBWOP: And even if people aren't sure which between onegu and Damdred, if you're townreading damdred isn't the natural thing to do to switch to onegu unless you're townreading them both? | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:05 Eden1892 wrote: Hahahah, this guy His two consecutive posts in his filter. This was funny. I have to admit though I forget the point of this tangent. The issue is reading JAT from how he interacted with Koshi, not with how Koshi interacted with him, isn't it? Koshi can do what he did if JAT is town or mafia. I believe the point was koshi wasn't mentioned by jat until suddenly appearing in his 3-man lynch list, eden? | ||
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It's like she's trying to catch me changing votes xP I'm satisfied that jat is the more likely scum, HF, and I guess maybe I'm just projecting how I play onto others. I'm actually much better at finding town than scum, though. Yeah, I don't know why bats is being townread? Though I will say that I liked the way he interacted with me lol compared to our first game together. It seemed a lot more like he was considering things from others' point of views. If jat's scum, though, I'm going to have a hard time not associating the two, and I do think jat's scum. LS doesn't seem to be playing the same. Especially today. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:25 Breshke wrote: LIKE THIS IS THE PROBLEM if they dont have a RB why arnt i dead If they have a RB why wasn't i Rb'd WHAT WERE THEY TRYING TO DO. No way they were so sure i wasn't going to shoot. dude, that's the question of the year right there >< | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:31 Eden1892 wrote: Ls is the 2nd mafia. This is why One thing I've noticed is that I'm pretty solid at picking up mafia through suspicious early posts. I always end up not following up on it because it seems hella silly to kill people because "this post is stiff and awkward," but I also end up doing a pretty solid job at either identifying mafia off of it or developing my suspicion of these posts and discovering it's incorrectly placed. A great example of this is where I called out WaveofShadow's entry post in World Heavyweight as mafia and was totally right about it. I think I did it again with Onegu in Hammertime but I'm not sure if I explicitly framed it as such. Anyway, look at this sequence right here. LS's entry into the thread was really off-the-wall. He acknowledges the main event that had happened so far, commented on Palmar apparently suspecting Damdred without giving a reason... but instead decided not to ask about that and asked a question to no one in particular about nothing in particular. I called him mafia and he immediately OMGUSed me saying I was just trolling when I was obviously town at the time. Eden, you know how certain people are cut some slack because of meta? LS not exactly following the thread or being able to explain his reads in a way that others can follow aren't alignment-indicative, and it's more than just meta. My problem is I'm not seeing the rambles today where he goes on about a read, makes some comments about what happened since last he came into the thread, all in big run-on sentences. He just said something weird about an 8-ball and who was mafia based on potential NKs lol. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:40 Eden1892 wrote: Urgh fuck it, I got to the part of Ls's filter where d1 EOD happened and it seemed legit This game is harder than it has any right to be :/ I guess I'll be that guy, is there any chance it's marv? Watch out, he'll lynch you for that xP No, in all seriousness, it's possible but the chance is like infinitesimal. I'd sooner think bresh is pulling a vivax than I would marv cc'd you to fake-claim miller, and he's been pretty active in the thread, too. | ||
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jat, same question you asked hf, if not hf, who? hf, how do you go from saying you think the scumteam is ls/marv to you would be shooting bresh/eden/marv as mafia? don't get that at all. it's like he's probably scum but then so townie you'd shoot him? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote: What? He asked me a mafia team that didn't include him and i said purely on d2 play only which ignores the entire game? maybe I shouldn't find it weird, since you think jat is mafia, but it made me go "huh?" when I read it | ||
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most of it was narrative, so that's kinda...eh. anyone can write a story. but I noticed and commented on how wishy-washy marv was leading up to EoD earlier, too, right up until the very end with Damdred also have to kind of agree that giving the reins to GB-channeling eden cause his reads lined up with marv's when they change at a drop of a hat is at best silly don't really think those points alone make him mafia, though his sudden flurry of activity in response to Eden's case just seemed like a real scramble, though, and some of what he says doesn't line up with my impression of what went on at all | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:16 LightningStrike wrote: Although I can see Marv shoot Palmar for the fact that they know each others meta so well and he didn't want to deal with Palmar as town vs him again but I think it just pure WIFOM to think about why Palmar was shot. this from the guy with the magic 8 ball theory xP weren't you the one saying you couldn't decide who was scum until you saw the N2 NKs? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:20 batsnacks wrote: I've solved the game. marv and breshke are the remaining mafia. Breshke is a mafia vig, he shot koshi. They did this because breshke and koshi were already highly suspected and likely to get lynched. Also the number of VTs that died makes this more do-able. Marv shot palmar because palmar would have figured out his alignment the longer the game went on. I originally thought it was HF + breshke because it seems like a play HF would do but I think this is right. talk to me more about this, bats the only people you seem sure of this game are eden and jat as town, and the only read of those two that I think is justified is eden I can actually kind of see the bolded statement, if only because the lack of RB and kill is so wtf, and the only other explanation people seem to have come up with is a 13p game having two vigs and a doc, which seems pretty nuts to me yet it seems pretty much your entire analysis is based on nks? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:31 batsnacks wrote: I'm the cop, I check jat last night. He's town. This is consistent with my actions today. They are not going to let me live after I just solved the game anyway. okay now you completely ignoring jat as possible scum makes a ton more sense >< lol and if we've got a cop and a doc and a vig and a miller this game i'm a monkey's uncle | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:41 Holyflare wrote: Ah what if framer + gf?? + miller = balance with vig and cop? or that -_- HF you're making this harder, not easier lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:43 rsoultin wrote: or that -_- HF you're making this harder, not easier lol EBWOP: actually, I still don't get keeping bresh alive with that scenario? can you walk me through it? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:47 Eden1892 wrote: Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. 10 people left. 2 shot scum vig 2 other mafia. Scum shoots 2 town. 4-3 Town lynches scum. 4-2 Scum shoots 2 town. 2-2 scum wins. This doesn't make sense anymore ummm I think you're forgetting koshi in your numbers, eden? unless you think there are four mafia this game @.@ which would make hts kind of evil lol actually I don't know where you're getting the number 10 at all? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:51 Eden1892 wrote: 2 shot scum vig + 2 other mafia. sorry for lack of clarity and 10 people after the modkills oh, you're right 10 is 7 and 3? 2 shot town is 5 and 3 town lynches koshi or bresh 5-2 if it's bresh that brings it to 4-2 then kosh nah man, your math is off I think | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:53 Eden1892 wrote: As an addendum I think if Breshke is mafia vig, there is no way he becomes the lynch d2. Koshi would absolutely be sac'd if needed to keep that 2nd shot. The resistance to killing Koshi + decision not to put town in LYLO if Breshke is getting lynched just doesn't add up Well, you're right here, it's true. No way mafia doesn't hard-buss koshi to protect their mafia vig. But at the same time, the safer play is not to rely on the town to get koshi lynched, I'd think? I don't know. I think we're just going to have to approach bresh like any other player and forget the claim, cause I can see it either way. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:57 Eden1892 wrote: yo can we lynch marv instead lol lol i'm sensing a desire to claim bragging rights here, senpai xP bats, input? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe it is just me but I still think my HF/rsoultin theory sounds pretty good. Will go eat dinner now and see who we lynch after that. <3 you too -_- | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:00 Eden1892 wrote: I don't see how we can forget it though. There has to be a pretty compelling reason for him to shoot his partner. I really don't think that happened Imma be honest I'm on board the bats hypetrain. Dude has played to his town meta 100% and then claims cop with a scan that makes perfect sense with his reads so far. What if the mafia forgot to send in an RB target? gah I really don't know -_- forgetting to send in an RB target with a claimed vig though, eden...that's a stretch when there was an NK | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:02 LightningStrike wrote: Man this game is so reminding me of Metal Mini when I got to MYLO but lost......... I don't want to repeat losing as VT twice in MYLO. LS, dude, come on. What are you thinking? This post doesn't get us anywhere. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:06 Eden1892 wrote: Ugh I would much rather lynch someone whose flip will tell us something. If Breshke flips town we all feel like donkeys the extra mafia kp if he's scum, though, makes me inclined to lynch him over marv. that's why i think it's best to take a hard look at how he's been playing and treat it like he's a vt | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:10 LightningStrike wrote: I been asking who we lynch today because I still confused as hell about this game esp with bats claiming cop. If one of bats or Breshke fake claimed we might be fucked..... okay, that's true, so which one do you think fake-claimed, if any? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:14 LightningStrike wrote: My guess would be bats since he claimed so late but he also did this under some pressure. I also don't like how Breshke claimed Vig at N1 and it still finding it odd. -_- this doesn't really say anything, ls | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:14 Eden1892 wrote: it's weird to me how LS is uncharacteristically confident with his reads, until a surprise claim happens. then suddenly he doesn't know what to do at all, a sentiment that others have said he expresses as town. almost like he no longer has perfect information informing his reads because of the claim...??? on a scale of "touch your toes" to "kiss the sky" how far am i reaching this part has been niggling at me all game, tbh, but at this rate we're gonna have 3 or 4 wagons. is ls the scumread you're most sure about at the moment? his behavior this game is different from games I've played with him as both alignments | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin you willing to mislynch me again? I thought you wouldn't forgive yourself on mislynching me in the newbie game when HTS was scum there :| I also playing with a lot of played I played with before so ofc I more confident and I got some more experience playing the game that's all..... I remember Marv told me be more confident after Campus and Carol in my own reads. ls, I <3 you to death, bud, and you are definitely not my vote of choice right now but I can't ignore some of the weird things you've done this game, especially that magic 8 ball thing, idk I have to think about you | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:28 Holyflare wrote: Still brings you full circle to him ccing miller which is why i kept reading him town regardless of everything else. first hour day 1, ccing miller, just doesn't seem like an optimal scum play in the slightest | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:32 Eden1892 wrote: Not picking on you rso, but since you're not the only one saying it... Why wouldn't mafia claim miller in that spot? Unless he knew you were fake-claiming, it puts him right in the limelight to be lynched Day 1 or Day 2. If marv wants to suicide as scum he just doesn't play. Not saying it's impossible, but it is kind of stupid, and I don't associate stupid with marv. | ||
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gotta give him made props for claiming miller, though | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I still think it's jat :p GF or something? cause if you think bats is fake-claiming cop, voting marv makes no sense | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:21 Eden1892 wrote: bye Also I need everyone to quote this message and reply with a direct answer. Quote the part pertinent to you. rsoultin: Are you blue? Nope ^^ | ||
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But, and this is a big but, Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:08 justanothertownie wrote: He literally claimed scum. Yeah, it's just weird, I guess. Does marv give up as scum when he's put this much work in? | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:13 Eden1892 wrote: Why not? Aware miller seems like the best fakeclaim to make. Guaranteed never to be copscanned which with a framer drastically improves defenses against cop. It's less that he claimed it and more the conditions under which he did? He CCd you, and very early in the game. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:14 Eden1892 wrote: has marv ever put this much work in as mafia and still been caught? (presuming he is mafia) dunnae. hf and/or jat should answer these questions for us lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know how this is relevant in any way? If people in imperial hadn't been idiots he would have been lynched for example. if he's quit before after putting a lot of work in as mafia, it's relevant | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:52 Eden1892 wrote: And I really think LS is the last one. Like I'm sorry this is HF's town game and JAT's town game. And rso's town game. And the 2 PR claims make way too much sense for me to disbelieve them. I really think we got this ;o; i don't want to think the town puppy is scum. but you're probably right, on both counts. i don't understand why marv isn't fighting the lynch, otherwise | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:58 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin since game mechanics for scum vig is made clear do you believe that Breshke can be scum and shot his scum buddy? possible? yeah. likely? that's really the question, isn't it? bresh still being alive and not RBed doesn't make much sense there only being a cop this game for town doesn't make much sense I've felt like bresh was town most of this game independent of his claim, so that's what I've been going with. Can you make a case against him? | ||
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Do you have anything specifically about his play this game LS? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:17 LightningStrike wrote: He been calling out my inconsistency with my reads this game and also his claim timing was horrible claiming at the Night Phase and the fact he didn't get roleblocked or killed is beyond dumb if he really is the town Vig. I wouldn't believe a vet mafia team wouldn't kill a claimed blue esp a vig...... to be fair, eden, the bolded portion has been the major point hanging most of us up since Night 1 I think you're the only one who really hasn't questioned it at all, at least in terms of breshke's alignment? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote: He still called Breshke town even after that. I quoted his response in a spoilerpop, check it. He immediately assumed Breshke was town b/c he said "you're gonna get roleblocked or shot" And he never thought Breshke could be mafia until everyone else did. This guy is mafia. lol, and I said bresh wasn't the lynch today when he claimed, which hf scumread me for. just because someone says "why would you do that when mafia will rb or shoot you?" doesn't mean that person believes they're confirmed town. in fact, I'd call that suspicion, especially with the trailing ....... afterwards but that's just the impression it gave me at the time what did you mean by that quote, ls? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote: If breshke town vig - get ppl to talk shoot mafia then claim + get credit or don't claim and get more shots/claim if under extreme pressure if needed or claim n1 get rb'd?? If breshke mafia and under pressure claim vig get town read?. Die d2 if not claim. Only benefits mafia but would have thought they would claim rb even if they didn't have it.... hf, please use English ^^; | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Let's say you are a town vigilante in a setup with roleblockers. Why on earth do you ever claim when you have 2 shots and there is a rber instead of just talking about everyones mafia reads?? The answer is that you don't. You are under pressure to be lynched day 2 and have a provable night action role so there is absolutely no threat to you getting lynched. Now let's say you are a mafia vigilante who is under crazy suspicion and will be lynched d2. What do you do to get out of that? Claim a role. Otherwise you die d2. The only benefit to claiming is for mafia. That does make a lot of sense, tbh. And people keep asking why shoot koshi if bresh is mafia? But if you're right about jat and I was right about jat before the cop claim cleared him, then bresh was being told to shoot between two mafia partners. He chooses to shoot someone else, it's going to be a lot harder to explain. | ||
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i'm not as sure on marv as you are, eden. i literally am voting him right now because he gave up | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:47 Eden1892 wrote: Guys seriously how long are we gonna give it a pass because "it's LS" and when are we gonna look at what he's actually saying and realize he has no clear evolving view of the game state? This guy's targets all game have been: - People who suspect him - Whoever the popular kill is at the time If anybody can go back to his town games and find an example where literally every single target he's had has fallen into one of these two categories then ok, but this is completely what I expect from a newer mafiaside player This is valid, too -_- He has had the balls to go against thread sentiment in his earlier town games. Though I'd have to double-check to verify those people weren't the ones suspecting him, cause the case i explicitly remember was HTS and she was voting him. | ||
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He said that, yes. It's like anything. Do you believe him or don't you? I could say I'm purple with polka dots; doesn't necessarily make it true (though I am wearing purple). | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: Look at how that's immediately his response and how it makes total sense given that the first thought for most mafia players in that situation is indeed "oh shit, if I shoot wrong it's mylo, if I don't we get 2 lynches" True, the thought process is definitely townie, wanting to hold the shot. | ||
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xP oh, psht, it's not completely in outer space. of course you're going to say it's stupid | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:03 Eden1892 wrote: and if i do then fuck that world, maybe he should be plynched so it never happens again my case is NOT that bad no matter what he tried to say no, your case wasn't bad. it just didn't prove he was scum. honestly, I found his reaction to it more scummy than most of the things brought up in you case. course he kind of admitted to not really reading it lol >< | ||
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so 6:2 4:2 if bresh shoots town-5:1 scum if bresh shoots scum it buys a mislynch, but does nothing if he hits town if we're not sure on his alignment that's a big risk i think | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: you guys cannot seriously be entertaining rewarding marv's bailing out and not defending himself by not killing him. if he's mafia then you've completely played into his hands. why spend effort defending himself if he can peace out and spook people into not lynching him all while not saying anything revealing about his partners? if he's town then you've incentivized pouting like this later on down the line like if he shows up again and starts bleeding town, ok, but he hasn't yet. come on Eden, do you see a bunch of people bailing? Have you considered that if marv does return to the thread and shit town bricks, that it would be better to have a good wagon we can switch to in a hurry rather than everyone scramble like headless chickens? There's value in this conversation. Please don't downplay it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:17 Breshke wrote: Why could bats not be fake claiming? He could. The timing's not ideal for a fake-claim though. Like, if I'm mafia, I'd wait until the last 10 minutes, maybe 30 or so and just watch everyone scramble. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:27 Breshke wrote: Was someone saying that if we ml and i shoot town tonight that we lose? I think i remember reading that on my phone and isn't that wrong 6 vs 2 start of day 5 vs 2 ml 3 vs 2 Nk and a vig shot on a town The game still goes on. So do i really use my first shot on a scum partner only to get to mylo the next day. Would koshi even let me sack him like that? If i shot a town originally a lynch probably gets pushed onto me and if i flip mafia it makes koshi look 10000000% better I don't think anyone said that? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: awks, i really shouldnt read right after waking up If it was me, I was saying that at best a no lynch buys us a mislynch assuming you hit scum. HF was asking about it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Mindmelds with me all game we poe mafia at night and then I'm the mafia over the guy that made one case on a towny all game? then he aint even pushing me still since a cop check changed nothing for him and everything for us?? +1 I hadn't even noticed, but where did jat's scumread on you go? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:34 Eden1892 wrote: dude I'm sorry but you don't forget "possible" godfather there do you? rso you're a linguist help um o.0 i don't know lol, i deal in foreign languages not how the brain works | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: It is still a legit question though Bats why havn't you considered that JAT is a POSSIBLE godfather | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:35 justanothertownie wrote: You expect me to keep pushing HF over marv when he claims scum?! I expect you to be involved. Even Eden who is like 99.999999999% certain the scumteam is marv and ls is discussing other possibilities. You're just kind of hanging out. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:43 justanothertownie wrote: If marv is scum - great. If marv is not scum then HF is scum. Both could be with LS or you. Ah, so nothing's changed except now you've added LS who everyone is questioning. Way to be original there, jat | ||
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lol >< worst reason to scumread (or townread) someone evar eden i will be mocking you for that one all year | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:46 justanothertownie wrote: What should change? Bats is town, Eden is town and Breshke is also very likely town. Okay, in all reality, assuming you're town that's fair. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:17 marvellosity wrote: I don't know how to explain it. The way he's treated me the whole game. The way he put me in a PoE list but later explained that I was 100% town (his words) the way he later fell off his read of me. HF knows me very very very very well. he knows i cannot play like this as mafia that's why when i came back to the thread earlier I voted HF in the votethread before i even read any of the thread (most of which i haven't read) because him voting for me is a direct scumclaim. Literally just a scumclaim. But only I know it. so this is based on his read on you? that makes me uncomfortable | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: HF would also know this 100% HF is not a baddie. the rest of you are but HF isn't -snorts- way to win people with honey there, marv | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:34 marvellosity wrote: do you not understand it rsoultin? not understand what? I've been arguing that same point, but couldn't figure out why you'd just up and quit. I'm just tired of being fooled by HF every time he plays scum | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:37 marvellosity wrote: because i thought the case and votes on me were the stupidest things i ever read in mafia. have you not worked out I can be temperemental yet? :p lol you've been pretty chill in most of my dealings with you, actually, but I can't say I know you that well. you know, other than the OMGUS moments xP | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: by the way this is very kind of you because i'm pretty sure i've been rudest to you this game. eh, probably, but I think I cursed everyone out when they mislynched me, and I know I tunneled damdred super hard for saying bresh/me was the only possible scumteam. sides, no one can top DP for making me want to throw something across the room xP | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote: maybe mafia don't have a roleblocker. i dno. I can't prove that I did this without cheating, but rsoultin do you remember i sent myself a PM? It was my tin-foil hat theory for endgame cred rofl, yes, I do remember you doing this | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:10 Eden1892 wrote: Ughh I'm so mad now. Why did I think this was ever gonna go any different? You need to go find your zen again, senpai, and I think we all need to think. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:17 Eden1892 wrote: Even if he's town He deserves to lose his ml streak as well for this abortion For being wrong? | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:00 marvellosity wrote: gj being town today btw rsoultin. I was always town? the only difference is it's the weekend lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: JAT because of HF's case on him. Partner is more likely rsoultin than anyone because unless Eden had learned how to play scum after like 48 hours after Linux I think she fits the bill more than him and Breshke. Congrats rsoultin I finally play you when you were scum and I now will be paranoid about you for a month lol seriously? I'd really like to hear how you think this is possible | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:10 LightningStrike wrote: Bats is unCCed cop and Marv claimed miller so to make Cop work then there is a chance of miller and a framer in this setup for mafia. rsoultin is the last one on PoE for me since I town reading you Eden also I understand your questions because I took french in HS Mm, poe gets me every time xP the reality is though that bats could have fake-claimed (even if I think it's unlikely) or you could be mafia with jat. Or even bresh, though I also find a scum bresh unlikely. If Eden is mafia, you're right, he suddenly improved significantly since Linux, and I stand by my mad props to marv if he actually fake-claimed miller statement. | ||
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On February 09 2015 10:56 Breshke wrote: Theres like one reason i like the JAT shot more and it is fairly dumb probably Lol, I'm interested in hearing Bresh's reason :/ LS appears to be AFK. | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:10 Breshke wrote: Im willing to wait for LS. My reason isn't anything big dont get your hopes up Alright, well, withholding analysis to force LS to state his own opinions means there's not much for me to do here, and I've got work tomorrow again. So if y'all have questions or something you want to discuss, let me know? Otherwise I'll probably leave some comments in the morning. | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:19 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin can you filter dive into JAT's scum game on Void and tell me this game isn't his scum game. That's 26 pages of filter right there, LS. It would help me a lot if you had specific pages/examples to back up your point. | ||
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Please, give examples and page numbers. | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote: I thought if we shot JAT and if he flipped scum that wasn't GF then obviously bats is fake. Forgot there could be a framer. I seriously am going to stop with the setup speculation Nah, that won't confirm bats one way or another, unfortunately. Shooting bats would confirm bats, but then you lose a check if he really is the cop and that doesn't prove anything about jat, either, unless bats flip scum. | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:31 LightningStrike wrote: I think it's better if you dive into the entire game but take it in chunks if you have to because of the fact you might be working tomorrow. LS, I really do not have the time between now and EoN to read a 174-page game. | ||
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That's true, too >< well...whoever you shoot will narrow the lynch pool? If it were me I'd stick with people whose alignments are hard to determine, cause they're easier to mislynch, but I don't know that there's really a wrong answer here except shooting Eden and maybe marv. | ||
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lol is it arrogant that I didn't even consider myself as a possibility? xP | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:47 rsoultin wrote: lol is it arrogant that I didn't even consider myself as a possibility? xP EBWOP: Seriously, though, if you have doubts and want to shoot me, have at it. Not gonna help you solve the game, though, lol | ||
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Have you read jat's town and scum games? I'm looking through Void now, but not doing a comparison as both alignments is going to produce flawed conclusions. I've never played with jat before, which makes me reluctant to evaluate his meta. His behavior in this game has been scummy enough on it's own to worry about a bats/jat scumteam or a gf/framer. Also should probably look at a scum game under his own name instead of a smurf, since I think people go out of their way not to reveal who they are on smurfs. | ||
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preliminary observations (i'm only like 15% through it) he was comfortable lightly pressuring his scummates, but wasn't really giving out many reads, just picking at things or snarking | ||
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On February 09 2015 12:35 Eden1892 wrote: Yep fuck it let's shoot bats. If he flips scum JAT cannot possibly be town. We know there's a vig and honestly it never really made sense for scum vig not to shoot town, so Breshke is town. No way town has a cop and a 2-shot vig and mafia doesn't even have an rb to save Koshi with, and we already invalidated the only conspiracy theory for not saving Koshi that really made sense (except I guess for subbing in marv for HF). Actually maybe we shoot JAT? After all my only teams left are JAT/marv and JAT/bats... well, unless you're worried that town won't lynch JAT tomorrow, it may be better to shoot into a question mark? I don't think we'd be any closer to an answer on who the third scum is if JAT is shot and flips scum...even if he flips gf really cause that doesn't preclude bats from fake-claiming | ||
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On February 09 2015 12:57 Breshke wrote: Yeah something has been nagging me. A cop check was really risky on JAT with the chance of me shooting him Did you ever commit to koshi in-thread? I know HF was saying to shoot, and so was I. Like, I fully expected you to shoot koshi, myself, but that doesn't mean you explicitly said it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:06 rsoultin wrote: Did you ever commit to koshi in-thread? I know HF was saying to shoot, and so was I. Like, I fully expected you to shoot koshi, myself, but that doesn't mean you explicitly said it. EBWOP: Or at least say the next day that you made the attempt to xP lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:21 LightningStrike wrote: I played with JAT as town and saw him play scum in Void and he was a lot less hissy pissy as town than Void and this game and he much more engaging with people for example in Metal Mini he was engaging me with lots of questions asking me why I gave the answer I did and tried to figure it out my alignment in Page 2-4 in his filter in Metal Mini. Here was the game I played with JAT when we were both town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=justanothertownie I will check for another game when he was playing his main account. honestly, ls, the writing style of obnoxious one-liners, sarcasm and leading questions is striking me as very similar across games xP | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:27 LightningStrike wrote: Ironic? More like JAT scum times in a row? Only if that's an argument he wouldn't also make as town? It does support HF's point that there's no way jat doesn't realize that HF can switch scumreads as town, though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:36 LightningStrike wrote: Tomorrow morning I will because I getting sleepy atm so in the morning I will make my case on JAT being scum. Fair enough. Probably headed to bed myself. Breshke, Eden, anything else y'all want to talk about? | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:44 Eden1892 wrote: Am I a glory hog for shoot JAT lynch marv? lol maybe just a little xP you still want to lynch marv? | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:47 Breshke wrote: Marv/LS Marv/JaT Bats/JAT LS/JAT These are the only teams that make sense to me I just still find that miller CC so unlikely to come from scum. Especially a scumMarv based on when we were discussing another game. | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:56 Eden1892 wrote: I want skins on the wall, and it seems more legit if I earn the skins myself instead of telling Breshke who to shoot. Breshke, I think you should shoot JAT and go from there. Well, I told y'all what I'd do xP but like I said, there probably isn't really a wrong answer here, cause we're at the point where almost any shot will tell us something. | ||
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On February 09 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote: Oh wait lol Breshke shoot JAT always. He's the best pick for mafia right now + we might learn something about bats (depending on the flip) + we might learn something about the mafia (depending on flip) + if he's somehow town then we at least know that much instead of spending forever speculating about it + between marv and JAT I trust marv to bleed town more lol, this works, too. okay, well, I really do need to get some sleep. it's getting late | ||
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On February 09 2015 14:12 Breshke wrote: okay lets look at this If Jat flips town I am like 90% sure it confirms bat as town. Bat has been under like zero pressure and has seem to be associating himself with JAT so either he made a sick play or he can only be mafia with JAT. So then i think we lynch marv and LS and win If Jat flips godfather i think it also confirms bats as town because then mafia's only PR (assuming no rb) does nothing against our only PR. Then i think we lynch marv and ls and win If Jat flips goon then i don't really see any conclusions that can be come to because there could be a framer. that sounds about right. like, the first two wouldn't confirm bats 100%, but you could drop him to the bottom of the lynch pool and just congratulate him for baller play if he fooled us lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 14:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah also even better marv has a scan. Obviously he should know that he either uses it on LS or Marv. Marv's a claimed miller xP | ||
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Straight up strategically it makes more sense to kill the player who probably won't be able to talk himself out of a mislynch if he's town, if we're going to be honest here, because if the shot tonight is town it's MYLO. So I say do that or do your strongest scumread. | ||
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On February 09 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote: on the flip side, you could argue to shoot the player who is most likely to talk himself out of a correct lynch lol, fair enough | ||
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has anyone even bothered to question bats on his save if he's actually the medic? not to mention why he's giving out green checks on people? may be fun to go lolol he's probably not serious, but I can see other reasons for doing what he did, and they're not giving me warm townie feelings about him and wtf eden, why are you so tunneled on marv? | ||
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On February 10 2015 02:24 marvellosity wrote: I hand you my sword rsoultin i blame eden if you're mafia nah man, if you're the townie I think you are, you can convince even eden, but I won't be here to help. i'm just on my lunch break :/ | ||
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On February 10 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin read my case on JAT being mafia please. bats why you did you fake claim cop and if you really were medic who did you heal N1? that's a good puppy lol <3 I looked through it, but i'll be honest, I liked my counter to his case better when I made it xP let me look at it closer | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter: Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4. From Void Mafia: Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town: and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game: Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too. Okay, LS, I did notice some similarities, especially in his interactions with HF, between Void and this game, though the aggression thing is neither here nor there. But I want you to do something for me since I won't be here to do it. Demonstrate that jat doesn't get angry at people wanting to lynch him in his town games, and you've got a solid point that he's mafia. | ||
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On February 10 2015 02:35 batsnacks wrote: It's your fault for fake claiming, you know. lolol he's got a point, eden xP what was your purpose for fake-claiming, may I ask, if it wasn't to confirm a town (or catch out scum) | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:08 marvellosity wrote: then what's the point in calling you mafia when it's just gonna make him look bad at some point Perhaps because it matches up with his breshke/marv scum team he kept on about when he initially "checked" Jat? lol, great shot btw, bresh ^^ | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin check my case on JAT and tell how right I was? heh, you were definitely right about his alignment I only skimmed it, LS, but apart from a few tone reads I think you missed, it looked pretty solid | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:19 batsnacks wrote: LS is either a next level super-troll from the future sent to humble us or... He's town because he doesn't know why my jat check was green. then who is scum, bats? because you're not looking great to me, either, honestly | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:26 marvellosity wrote: oh god i have a terrible feeling and that is? | ||
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but then, if it's a no-brainer, I don't know why the last scum hasn't conceded yet -_- | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:40 Breshke wrote: RSo can you tell me what you think about Marv, LS and Bats i just wanna know where your head is it Well you're obviously confirmed town, and I've been so positive that Marv is town ever since I actually caught up with the thread... Bats, what with all his claims, and bailing jat out, seems to be the obvious scum here, with ls behind as poe. ls has been acting weirdly confident all game except at certain key points, like bats' claim. But I'm having a hard time seeing either of them not conceding with jat and koshi dead. There's no possible way there could be 4 mafia in this game, is there? | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:47 marvellosity wrote: no mafia should or would concede in this position, it's only 2ml, anything can happen look at d2 one townie, one mafia on the block it's 5-2 with the mafia leading then the massive distraction with me comes along and the mafia gets saved you're probably right | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:48 batsnacks wrote: You're not LS so there is zero excuse: why are you putting any weight into bolded what so ever? lol, I've made it very clear how much I dislike fake claims on multiple occasions xP i'm past the lynch-all-liars stage, bats, but it doesn't strengthen your position. You conveniently bolded the less significant portion. Bailing jats out of the lynch yesterday is obviously more suspicious | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:57 batsnacks wrote: jat was leading in votes, would have been lynched 100% without my claim, had just made a case on someone I thought he would logically think is mafia as town, AND I had a theory that explained all of the bizarre night actions. So I claimed. AND IT WAS A MISTAKE bats, did you ever explain your theory on breshke and marv? having a different theory doesn't make you scum, but I don't recall the reasoning. why would you check breshke anyway if you thought it was breshke and marv? marv is a claimed miller. he would always check red to a cop, whether his claim was true or not. if you believe breshke and marv are scum, you believe jat is town. you're supposedly a cop. why would you check someone who is likely a godfather or a framer, in your scum world? or did you think scum had no roles this game? | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:06 batsnacks wrote: I checked breshke because I figured I was dead and wanted closure on my now confirmed incorrect theory. Hindsight is 20/20. nvm lol, if you think bresh is scum, that's a scum vig. i'm being dumb. though why you didn't just say that when I asked you -_- I don't know | ||
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okay, but what was your theory based on? breshke being alive and not rb'd? if you're town, bats, you have to help me out here because I'm having a really hard time finding a reason not to lynch you | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote: What is it my lady? this is going to sound eden-level crazy, but have you told me to sheep you at all this game? | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:48 LightningStrike wrote: She can be insanely bad because I remember in a pregame for one of the mafia games i played with her I told her to just sheep my reads obv I forgot to tell her to do it this game but she would be scummy as hell for it though lol.... Nope. This is the closest I can find. You've been telling me to sheep your reads "bby girl" ever since newbie, I think it was. Eden-style crazy, but why don't you have any reads for me to sheep this game, LS? | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:29 batsnacks wrote: I said before end of night that there was very little chance of me not voting marv today. You were around then. Why is it an issue now? So you're scumreading marv...why? Just lynching HF with that 100% read? | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:32 LightningStrike wrote: Because my only Mafia read was shot lol. I made my case on JAT being scum but I still thinking on the last member of the team. It's obviously a Framer left if Bats is telling the truth that he is a Cop and Breshke is confirmed town too if Bats telling the truth he is a cop so hmmm. Breshke is confirmed town, regardless, LS. Unless you think he shot both his scumbuddies and bats fake-claimed cop as town, because otherwise he can't get a green-check on scum jat. Koshi and jat weren't the vig, so if Breshke is the mafia vig, there is no framer. | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:38 batsnacks wrote: If breshke is the framer he could have framed himself and shot jat but... let's just not do that today. Then where did the shot on eden come from? | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:39 LightningStrike wrote: But that will leave us with no power roles and why would there be a Miller if there is no Cop? that's kind of the point, isn't it? breshke can't be scum no matter how you look at it, unless the mods are just having a lark | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:56 batsnacks wrote: Assuming I know this, why am I voting marv? And where is your place? my first thought was night WIFOM, given eden was shot...but I really don't know | ||
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On February 10 2015 11:06 LightningStrike wrote: Marv was right about 1 thing: Mafia wouldn't concede at this point because there is 2 Mislynches that town can do for Mafia to win and it not hat hard for Mafia to do. I had that happened already and I going to try and prevent it from happening. heh, or I could just be wrong, apparently | ||
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On February 10 2015 11:18 Breshke wrote: There can be a miller and no cop. It leaves mafia with something to fakeclaim that makes sense I didn't think of this. Bats, just tell us where you're getting your marv scumread from? | ||
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On February 10 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: ugh that is the hard part it could be marv idk this is going to be frustrating me because I thought Marv looked really townie Day 1 although his play at Day 2 was kind of meh and pulled out some shenanigans at EoD (shrugs) Who you think is last mafia and why Breshke? you had me as scum last night. what happened to that? | ||
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On February 10 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote: So here is why it would make sense for me think that if marv is town miller and bats is really the cop then that confirms there is a framer in this game so that would mean that it's you as mafia vs me on LYLO and will fight it out with Breshke choosing the side. -snorts- If it's you, me and breshke in LYLO, I have to say, LS...your scumgame has improved since I last lynched your scummy ass xP | ||
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On February 10 2015 12:38 Breshke wrote: I really think it is bats He needs to explain his marv read. There's absolutely no reason not to right now. | ||
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And why the hell does anything jat does or doesn't take into account mean anything when he's mafia? If he's trying to convince everyone that he is town he literally has no choice but to scumread me. Calling bats scum calls into question the green check. Who else is he supposed to call scum? Breshke? Eden? You? LS and I were his only options, and it's not like he's going to get me shot overnight. He only changed his read on you when Eden started frothing at the mouth and it actually looked like a possible out. This is ludicrous -_- So I'm going to call for a vig to shoot me or my scum partner, then tear into my other scum partner? Like, in this scenario you are literally suggesting that I'm the framer, frame my partner, then make it impossible for a green check to be accepted without question. You sit here and ridicule anyone for even considering you're scum, and then turn around and say only scum could possibly think you may be town after throwing a hissy. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:34 marvellosity wrote: he was hard scumreading you pre-the bats claim Lol what is he supposed to do? His defense was laughable. Did you even read it? I suppose you could think that he'd already resigned himself to being the lynch (though I don't know why you'd think that) and so we were double-bussing to try to look at odds, but if that's the case why is he calling me 100% scum? | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:31 marvellosity wrote: No the point is that you had a different reaction to all the other townies. xP I'm not exactly known for being a sheep. Tunneled (wrongly) in Carol on GB while most everyone else was calling me an idiot for ignoring HF. I only had you as town for that miller claim originally, ironically for some of the same reasons Eden mentioned, and only changed my mind when I finished reading the thread that your filter didn't look that scummy after all. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:51 marvellosity wrote: You do realise bats is pretty likely town, right? No? I know I thought his claim seemed townie at the time. But the reasons you're giving are meta, and you're voting for him anyway. And his reason for voting you flat-out denies that anyone could possibly think he's scum. I don't know him that well, but I don't think he's that stupid. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:50 marvellosity wrote: why not? i don't understand what you're getting at here. Saying anyone is 100% or definitely scum, lynch them tomorrow, or 100% town when you're scum just throws them into the limelight when you flip. I'd expect him to hedge if he was bussing. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:59 batsnacks wrote: You didn't think marv was stupid when he lynched HF for the exact same thing. Lol, I trusted marv was town. Maybe that's stupid of me but whatever. His argument that of all people HF should know better and was voting him before his tantrum made sense, and I've thought HF was town twice before when he wasn't -_- | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:04 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I just woke up and saw this whole mess. I seeing 2 people voting bats. This going to be interesting. Rsoultin why you voting Bats? Marv: Why you policy lynching Bats the Day Phase before LYLO? Honestly? I wanted his answer as to why he was voting marv, which he refused to give, and he's been at the top of my scumlist since the day phase started. I'm probably going to unvote him, though, with marv deciding to vote a townread. That just makes my skin itch. I've been waffling on you all game, LS. Sometimes you look really townie to me, and other times you're just playing so differently I doubt myself. Bah. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote: it's obviously just a spite vote at this point. Do you think mafia claims cop when there is a claimed miller in the game?? Marv, all you're convincing me of right now is that I was probably way too quick to accept your claim on faith. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote: jat hard townread bats all game................. I'm going to have to reread. I know he was townreading him, but again, it's suicide not to for jat, so I don't know what your point is. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: so bats is town because mafia don't claim cop when there's a claimed miller. Correct? Yeah, that's true -_- | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote: you said "mafia hedge their bets, they don't hard townread their buddy" I say "jat hard townread bats all game" i think you can see what i'm getting at just fine lol, I see you're picking at things without taking context into consideration just fine xP | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:16 LightningStrike wrote: What so different about my play this game compared to other games other than how confident I was with my reads? Mostly just the confidence. And leaving me and koshi out of your reads but then hurrying to correct yourself. Your response to bats' claim. The magic 8 ball weirdness. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Now we've made progress. So you should be choosing between LS and me. I'm enjoying having to explain this to you. Yes, marv, I came to that conclusion earlier before breshke mentioned that miller could be in the game without a cop; I'm not a complete dunce. I just hadn't taken it out to the step of mafia claiming cop with a claimed miller yet. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:18 marvellosity wrote: Like, this is really terrible rsoultin. WHAT MAFIA DOES THIS? Who the hell knows? What mafia counterclaims miller? I think you're probably just being an idiot this morning, but I need to reconsider things, and I don't have any more time for this right now. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:20 marvellosity wrote: you said this in the thread when i had already explained about mafia fakeclaiming cop when there was a miller. sup son? Lol, and you're god now? xP Like I'm going to remember everything everyone says. Lord, I've probably already said it at one point. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:23 marvellosity wrote: Like I vote bats out of spite and then I go searching through mafia filters for information and tell people not to vote for him. This is obviously a townie thought process. No, voting a town so you don't get lynched Day 4 is hardly "obviously" a townie anything. That you're saying anything different is ridiculous. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote: there's a significant difference between me voting bats ----> afk and voting bats and then thinking about the game. which i think you can well understand. my gut says you're right, but I need to double-check my gut tonight. meh, I've got work | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:27 LightningStrike wrote: I did and I think he really is town just dumb town. I think if he's town I found my mafia. I love you rsoultin but I think your the last mafia this game despite me not wanting to admit but I think you got to be mafia just by PoE alone and the fact that you forgot how confident I was in Student V. I;m sorry if this will hurt your feelings rsoultin. ##Vote: rsoultin rofl, you weren't confident in Student V! People thought you were scum for all your null reads and sheeping. whatever. obviously if you're mafia you're going to vote for me, instead of going against the 3 claims you know are probably true. who are you going to try to get lynched in LYLO though? | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:34 LightningStrike wrote: I also was very confident in Linux rsoultin. Maybe. I don't remember much of you in Linux, actually. And I just confused Newbie with Student. Meh. I really don't have the time. I have to go. | ||
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On February 11 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: rsoultin This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. You're either stuck in confirmation bias or misrepresenting things on purpose again. Read any of my town games. I am "town-leadery" in the absence of town leadership. There was nothing leadery about me until most of the vets were slaughtered in Carol. I took the reigns of the newbie game almost instantly, but certainly haven't led any of my town games since, with the exception of protoss where I had a red-check and was confirmed. Koshi was hardly the only one who commented on my joke. Just because he's mafia and they weren't it conveniently becomes a scumslip? These things are being twisted to suit your predisposition to see me lynched today. And don't think it escapes me, marv, that if you're scum I am absolutely your biggest threat going into LYLO. | ||
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you know, marv, I find it very, very interesting that you can take me from super, very, very town to "she can do this as either alignment", and ls from definite scum to a nice way of essentially saying "he's too bad a player to post like this and still be scum", while in the same breath imply that if I ever change my reads for any reason it's scummy? using your miller claim as your defense, no less, when it seems we either should or shouldn't believe it according to whatever better suits your agenda at the moment gah, I still need to read filters, bresh, but my knee-jerk reaction to this (OMGUS I'll admit) is he just described his own mafia motivation for his sudden read changes to a T | ||
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On February 11 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote: btw rsoultin, it's not the same at all. Breshke: "I really think it's bats" LS: "the bats claims make no sense, he's mafia" rsoultin: "vote: bats" I *removed* someone from the table that literally everyone else was suspicious of at once. But sure babe, i'm trying to OPEN up my options. try again. my vote was clearly policy because he refused to answer | ||
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On February 11 2015 08:55 Breshke wrote: I really like what marv is saying and it doesn't really matter what his alignment is because he almost certainly gets lynched next day phase. This post is strange looking back on it. You call koshi possible mafia here RSo yet before this you mention him maybe twice and it is never about his alignment just someone elves motives on reading him. Then after this post you basically do not interact with koshi at all. I don't think town rsoultin does this. You have someone as possible mafia you would try and discern their alignment. I also find your vote at the end of D1 concerning since yeah you said you were going to sheep eden and eden was on koshi and you didn't vote koshi but voted onegu when eden swapped. I could see this as a coincidence as town but koshi was on onegus wagon and this didn't even seem to give you pause and you don't even seem tor register it. You do realize I voted Onegu before koshi did, in the very last few minutes? I'd barely had time to engage with anyone Day 1. As I've said multiple times, scum me for being inactive if you like, but that's all this means. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:01 marvellosity wrote: definitely not "I want to lynch bats this cycle but i'm pussyfooting around it", but policy. gotcha Completely. Out. Of. Context. My reason is right before that in my filter no less. If you're town, you should be ashamed of yourself. I very clearly was trying to determine bats' motivation, said straight up before my vote that he needed to answer the questions, then left my vote on him. Yes I used the wrong damn word, but anyone reading my filter or the thread not thinking that was a pressure vote is an imbecile or scum. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:09 marvellosity wrote: A pressure vote 270 pages in? alright To get him to talk about his read on you? Are you seriously this dumb? | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: ... damn. just damn. if marv's the miller, bats is the cop. and if marv's not the miller, he's scum, and bats is still probably the cop. the lynch today isn't between bats and ls >< it's between ls and marv how the fuck is this keeping my options open on bats? I posted this before the post you linked, then breshke mentioned there could still be a miller without a cop | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:14 marvellosity wrote: yes, thank you for noticing I'm willing to go all-in on people being town, and force others (i.e. you) to call people town, so that mafia (you) don't have other outs. well you know what, marv? i'm not going to be bullied by you. if you're fucking scummy when I finish looking at you, i'm going to say so and just call everyone else an idiot when they mislynch me and take this game to lylo if people think that just because you "mentioned it first" (I actually did numbnuts) that means you're town, they're just stupid | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Also please feel free to engage with me on all these points I'm listening I already did. That's your nice way of saying ls is too bad a player to do this as scum you're just a sweetheart, aren't you? | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:20 marvellosity wrote: I didn't ask you to paraphrase or interpret what I said, I asked you for your opinion on those specific things I don't know yet, marv. I just got home from work while you've had all day. I don't know how those things explicitly make him town, at first glance, but that doesn't mean I won't change my opinion when I've actually had a chance to think -_- | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Also please feel free to engage with me on all these points I'm listening These two points are the better ones. The others are blah. Saying he's not artful enough is just saying he's bad (the source of my snark) and the rsoultin-koshi joke thing means nothing if he's a mafia partner with koshi. Obviously he had scum partners who could help him with how to post in this game (something he didn't actually have in our Student game, because both of his partners were AWOL) so he could feasibly do better as scum here than several games ago playing essentially alone, and to suggest otherwise is naïve. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:24 Breshke wrote: Yeah but iirc eden clearly said he wanted to lynch between onegu and koshi. Koshi was only voting SL because he didn't want to get lynched and said he would switch back to ongeu. Also i get you were busy but why when you were in the thread did you not use any of your posts to try and work out koshi's alignment. We weren't in the thread at the same time except during the day when I could barely post? I already explained why I didn't vote for koshi immediately. Eden was waffling and asked something about his push on Breshke, so I went to his filter. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:29 marvellosity wrote: Like, I don't think the way I went after rsoultin today has been in any way unfair, and she is making out like i'm ridiculous. I went through filters. I got the thread to realise bats was town. Then I went back to rsoul's/LS's filter and I produced several things that LS did that I think strongly indicate he was town, and I just couldn't do the same for rsoultin. None of this is being unreasonable but she's in here shouting at me as a bully and I'm really scummy for thinking like this. I don't think any of how I've gone about this is remotely scummy. Lol ^ like you'd say anything different as either alignment? | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:30 marvellosity wrote: This is incorrect as LS mentioned himself, mafia had a coach in the Student games. It is correct. Read it again. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:31 marvellosity wrote: You have to tell me how that process I went through is scummy though. You're the one attacking me heavily for it. I've gone about it in a very evenhanded way and I challenge you to show me otherwise. Marv, you need to back off if you have any doubt in your mind whatsoever that I may be town, because if you embroil me in a back-and-forth like this I won't have time to actually work out the game, and you will mislynch me. I will not be here tomorrow for many hours leading up to EoD just as I wasn't today. I don't think the process that you described was scummy. I can see you doing this as scum very easily. Those are two distinctly different statements. | ||
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they wouldn't let me post baby seals :/ | ||
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you said you had a terrible feeling I knew then I was in trouble lol...also so hating on my work hours in relation to EoD this game -_- | ||
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sorry jat, koshi :/ | ||
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On February 11 2015 10:07 marvellosity wrote: I was ready for you bbygrl <3 I appreciate the fight all game though. Thank Eden for your hard-defence all game for me :p lol <3 I still think calling bats as the cop and pushing jat to force him to claim was the most fun part of the game for me xP suggestions for playing scum other than I just suck at it? lol (I fully realize I had the most trouble in the world scumreading anyone town ><) | ||
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On February 11 2015 10:31 marvellosity wrote: Not really, because I suffer from the same problem, it is really quite hard. I suggest reading an HF scumgame or two. also you didn't suck at scum at all. you're always going to have suspicion on you at some point, and you got a lot of townreads. I completely talked myself into an unbreakable townread on bats right in the thread lol xP bresh gave me an out but kind of a weak one | ||
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On February 11 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote: Like i asked JAT to give reads outside of LS then shot him partly because he didn't mention LS in those reads. How dumb is that hahahaha lol bresh <3 you did a great job I was trying to breadcrumb not shooting jat while not being obvious, but there really wasn't a better shot for town eden said it best. no matter how he flips you get a lot of info you don't get from other playersand thanks for all the townreads y'all made me feel filthy for? xP | ||
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On February 11 2015 11:01 batsnacks wrote: Sort of yolo. I just didn't realize that framers could make mafia look inno. It's my fault for not paying enough attention to the OP but I'm not used to framers being able to do that. It was a shock when jat flipped mafia AND he wasn't gf. yeah that's why you weren't the shot. your checks meant nothing with a framer, and you looked scuzzy ^^ | ||
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On February 11 2015 11:14 LightningStrike wrote: Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better. You're improving every game, LS <3 Btw, doing that analysis on your own of the meta is a great step. You even found some things that were great points against JAT. If anything, I'd just say if someone says something to make you unsure, take your time to decide for yourself. The way your reads switched with everyone else's looks pretty scummy, even if you do it every game lol | ||
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The quotes with the analysis as to why they looked similar or different, that's what they're talking about. And that's what you did when I asked you to. That's exactly how it should be used, so people can look at it and see if they agree with you or not. | ||
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On February 11 2015 11:43 LightningStrike wrote: If you weren't Mafia would you buy the case on JAT being mafia? Not necessarily? However, I would note the point was good and might be more inclined to look at that particular game myself. For instance, the interaction between Jat and HF in both Void and this game was uncannily similar. Even some of the exact same arguments were being made. (Speaking of which, I think I may know how better to read HF from this game xP we'll see if it holds true later) That aside, it makes it much easier to townread you when you present a case with good, valid points others haven't presented yet. Being townread is pretty important, too, not just being right and getting people to agree with you. Right now people kind of townread you for bad reasons. Mine is "stream-of-consciousness" posting. You look like you're saying exactly what you're thinking at the time. But selling that to anyone who hasn't played with you before would be difficult. | ||
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On February 11 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote: An Apology To All: Firstly, I would like to start off with apologizing to several people for being stupidly aggressive over things when I was angry. I should not of responded so angrily or ignored people just because I was at work and frustrated with the environment and what was going on in the thread when I was unable to reply and take my time with posts. (I'm considering a self post restriction of not posting between the hours of 5-9 at night honestly as it gets me scum read). I honestly didn't mean to be a dick like Palmar said I was being and I try not to be rude but the shots at me that several of my friends made justmade me over react in a bad way. And I am sorry about that. Most importantly I really apologize to the hosts and to the players for getting myself mod killed. I had no intentions of being mod killed and I was at work and did not notice the time on my phone. I thought I was dead and should of honestly just stopped posting, it was a dumb mistake and I apologize. The mod kill was 100% in the right and it was my mistake. I played poorly this game and I am sorry i'll do better next time and i'm trying to improve part of my game now so that some of these things don't happen again. Thank you for hosting HTS and Art, it was a pleasure and i'm glad the game ended like this. No worries man lol <3 I could completely sympathize with you, and I was scum. It's hard not to lash out when you feel like you're under attack. | ||
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I really was checking the op for how many millers there could be xP and had no intention of claiming actually, very few of y'all's scumreads were correct ^^ marv had me nailed. and jat >> most everyone else, nope ^^ maaaaybe HF | ||
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On February 11 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote: Yeah this was a joke, but you reaction to it looked kinda bad yeah, I loosened up later in the game. was a bit tight in the beginning ^^ | ||
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On February 11 2015 13:15 LightningStrike wrote: Now that I seen your scum game I might be scared of having you just sheep me until I figure out if you are town or not :O lol I'm not that scary, LS <3 | ||
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On February 11 2015 13:56 Eden1892 wrote: This post is ironclad evidence that my emoticon read was 100% spot on fwiw rofl <3 u eden you had me so weird about emoticons this game it was funny xP I was like hyper-focused on how many times i'd want to put them in and if that was too many or not >< like it was a dumb thing to even be thinking about lol | ||
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one of these days we may even roll town together you never knoooow | ||
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On February 11 2015 20:29 marvellosity wrote: I don't really regret not lynching jat d1, it's one of those things. I regret not trying to lynch rsoultin, whenever me and HF suspect the same person independently early d1 it's usually a good omen (sl/HtS in Void, rsoultin here) Close to start of d1... took so much time to get close to being that right again lol yeah, much easier to lynch me when I can't be around to postyou meanies ;o; | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:48 scott31337 wrote: You doubt yourself - you did great You were town MVP this game.I was still lost for the third scum. Bats and his fakeclaims and checking you - but hey I'm still a noob. GG Edit: Mafia QT/Docs of shots? LS/others - Stop with so much meta - let it go, read the current game/thread. Palmar will be happy to help you, PM him Rso - You did very well be proud thank you! <3 | ||
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