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On February 11 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think the breshke check was that absurd especially if breshke had missed mafia e.g. he shot lightning. RS/lightning were obviously the better checks but I thought I was out of the game anyway so I figured why not?
Ahhhh so this was a yolo check? I didn't realise nor could I tell from your posts.
Damn, I'm sorry then. I will NOT be nominating you for the WTF award then 
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On February 11 2015 10:58 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think the breshke check was that absurd especially if breshke had missed mafia e.g. he shot lightning. RS/lightning were obviously the better checks but I thought I was out of the game anyway so I figured why not? Ahhhh so this was a yolo check? I didn't realise nor could I tell from your posts. Damn, I'm sorry then. I will NOT be nominating you for the WTF award then
Sort of yolo. I just didn't realize that framers could make mafia look inno. It's my fault for not paying enough attention to the OP but I'm not used to framers being able to do that.
It was a shock when jat flipped mafia AND he wasn't gf.
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On February 11 2015 11:01 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 10:58 Half the Sky wrote:On February 11 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think the breshke check was that absurd especially if breshke had missed mafia e.g. he shot lightning. RS/lightning were obviously the better checks but I thought I was out of the game anyway so I figured why not? Ahhhh so this was a yolo check? I didn't realise nor could I tell from your posts. Damn, I'm sorry then. I will NOT be nominating you for the WTF award then Sort of yolo. I just didn't realize that framers could make mafia look inno. It's my fault for not paying enough attention to the OP but I'm not used to framers being able to do that. It was a shock when jat flipped mafia AND he wasn't gf.
yeah that's why you weren't the shot. your checks meant nothing with a framer, and you looked scuzzy ^^
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On February 11 2015 11:01 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 10:58 Half the Sky wrote:On February 11 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think the breshke check was that absurd especially if breshke had missed mafia e.g. he shot lightning. RS/lightning were obviously the better checks but I thought I was out of the game anyway so I figured why not? Ahhhh so this was a yolo check? I didn't realise nor could I tell from your posts. Damn, I'm sorry then. I will NOT be nominating you for the WTF award then Sort of yolo. I just didn't realize that framers could make mafia look inno. It's my fault for not paying enough attention to the OP but I'm not used to framers being able to do that. It was a shock when jat flipped mafia AND he wasn't gf.
Framers can make mafia look innocent in like 99% of setups afaik.
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Breshke GOAT marv a great closer. Great game
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On February 11 2015 11:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:01 batsnacks wrote:On February 11 2015 10:58 Half the Sky wrote:On February 11 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think the breshke check was that absurd especially if breshke had missed mafia e.g. he shot lightning. RS/lightning were obviously the better checks but I thought I was out of the game anyway so I figured why not? Ahhhh so this was a yolo check? I didn't realise nor could I tell from your posts. Damn, I'm sorry then. I will NOT be nominating you for the WTF award then Sort of yolo. I just didn't realize that framers could make mafia look inno. It's my fault for not paying enough attention to the OP but I'm not used to framers being able to do that. It was a shock when jat flipped mafia AND he wasn't gf. Framers can make mafia look innocent in like 99% of setups afaik.
First time I've encountered a framer on TL. Also the first time I've encountered a framer that can make mafia look innocent.
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Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better.
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On February 11 2015 11:12 batsnacks wrote:
First time I've encountered a framer on TL. Also the first time I've encountered a framer that can make mafia look innocent.
To be fair, framers aren't used often.
And to my disappointment, neither are vigilantes. I feel town loses because they carry so many lurkers to mid-late game and of course, people wonder why they are scratching their heads in mylo with 2 lurkers they have to chance on.
I think vigis should be used more in general. Just my opinion.
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On February 11 2015 11:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better.
You're improving every game, LS <3 Btw, doing that analysis on your own of the meta is a great step. You even found some things that were great points against JAT. If anything, I'd just say if someone says something to make you unsure, take your time to decide for yourself. The way your reads switched with everyone else's looks pretty scummy, even if you do it every game lol
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On February 11 2015 11:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better.
I'm hardly one to be giving advice but i think you were linking other games and asking people to read them too much. Instead if you think they are important you should read them and bring the conclusion to the thread and show how it is relevant to THIS game. If people disagree or agree with you or whatever they will probably go and read that game themselves
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On February 11 2015 11:22 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better. I'm hardly one to be giving advice but i think you were linking other games and asking people to read them too much. Instead if you think they are important you should read them and bring the conclusion to the thread and show how it is relevant to THIS game. If people disagree or agree with you or whatever they will probably go and read that game themselves
Honestly LS, this is one of the biggest problems I have with your play in general. I have found it difficult playing with regardless of your alignment. Don't take this the wrong way, but whilst meta reads make some sense, you dont do a very effective job of bringing the talking points from that meta. You can throw links at people but that's not all what you should be doing.
WHAT EXACTLY in a player's given game is a striking contrast to what you are seeing now? Why does this player act one way now but a different way tomorrow in what appears to be a same situation?
Answer THOSE questions and then you have a stronger case.
Also the use of meta has to be carefully considered on players you haven't played with as much before. I was pretty surprised you made a case on JAT, I don't think you've ever played alongside him. It was accurate but can you honestly say that by yourself you'd have had a successful outcome on JAT without others already had their points on him?
You need to be able to do more than just throw links. People don't trust easily other people's meta interpretations.
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Also additional post on my moderator action:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477857-activity-and-town-play
I'd like people to comment on this as one subject as I had received complaints on the length of this game.
If you feel it was a result of our moderation, please comment on that in THIS thread. Otherwise general mod comments/townplay should be in that thread.
I had to question if there was any thing I could have done to make this thread more readable.
I honestly had a good hard look at people's filters, and I tried to distinguish between conversations, spam and multiple questions directed at people. I honestly did not feel anyone warranted a warning let alone a modkill, there was SOME trolling by a few people but it was not to the extent of say Palmar spamming "Kill Toad" 100x in Hammertime mafia.
Any trolling by players was short lived, banter, etc.
I compared this game to others in the last 3-4 months. And for a mini, this game was a complete outlier, which is why I felt it to look at myself.
Any comments on this specifically for me, much appreciated.
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On February 11 2015 11:25 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:22 Breshke wrote:On February 11 2015 11:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Any tips for me guys? I know I played Day 1 pretty bad and want to get better. I'm hardly one to be giving advice but i think you were linking other games and asking people to read them too much. Instead if you think they are important you should read them and bring the conclusion to the thread and show how it is relevant to THIS game. If people disagree or agree with you or whatever they will probably go and read that game themselves Honestly LS, this is one of the biggest problems I have with your play in general. I have found it difficult playing with regardless of your alignment. Don't take this the wrong way, but whilst meta reads make some sense, you dont do a very effective job of bringing the talking points from that meta. You can throw links at people but that's not all what you should be doing. WHAT EXACTLY in a player's given game is a striking contrast to what you are seeing now? Why does this player act one way now but a different way tomorrow in what appears to be a same situation? Answer THOSE questions and then you have a stronger case. Also the use of meta has to be carefully considered on players you haven't played with as much before. I was pretty surprised you made a case on JAT, I don't think you've ever played alongside him. It was accurate but can you honestly say that by yourself you'd have had a successful outcome on JAT without others already had their points on him? You need to be able to do more than just throw links. People don't trust easily other people's meta interpretations.
I had played with JAT when he was town once though but he got NK'd Night 1 and I did watch his scum game Void and tried to convince others that he was using his scum meta hence why I talked about his game in Void and used some quotes from there and compare some of them to this game. Ya I probably should just talk about stuff from the games and if they want to see the game themselves I can just link it to them. Thanks for the tips!
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I followed along a little bit after I realized I was part of the flavor.
Loved the shoutout, thanks hosts. :p
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LS, LS!
The quotes with the analysis as to why they looked similar or different, that's what they're talking about. And that's what you did when I asked you to. That's exactly how it should be used, so people can look at it and see if they agree with you or not.
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On February 11 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
LS, LS!
The quotes with the analysis as to why they looked similar or different, that's what they're talking about. And that's what you did when I asked you to. That's exactly how it should be used, so people can look at it and see if they agree with you or not.
If you weren't Mafia would you buy the case on JAT being mafia?
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On February 11 2015 11:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
LS, LS!
The quotes with the analysis as to why they looked similar or different, that's what they're talking about. And that's what you did when I asked you to. That's exactly how it should be used, so people can look at it and see if they agree with you or not. If you weren't Mafia would you buy the case on JAT being mafia?
Not necessarily? However, I would note the point was good and might be more inclined to look at that particular game myself. For instance, the interaction between Jat and HF in both Void and this game was uncannily similar. Even some of the exact same arguments were being made.
(Speaking of which, I think I may know how better to read HF from this game xP we'll see if it holds true later)
That aside, it makes it much easier to townread you when you present a case with good, valid points others haven't presented yet. Being townread is pretty important, too, not just being right and getting people to agree with you. Right now people kind of townread you for bad reasons. Mine is "stream-of-consciousness" posting. You look like you're saying exactly what you're thinking at the time. But selling that to anyone who hasn't played with you before would be difficult.
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On February 11 2015 12:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:43 LightningStrike wrote:On February 11 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote:
LS, LS!
The quotes with the analysis as to why they looked similar or different, that's what they're talking about. And that's what you did when I asked you to. That's exactly how it should be used, so people can look at it and see if they agree with you or not. If you weren't Mafia would you buy the case on JAT being mafia? Not necessarily? However, I would note the point was good and might be more inclined to look at that particular game myself. For instance, the interaction between Jat and HF in both Void and this game was uncannily similar. Even some of the exact same arguments were being made. (Speaking of which, I think I may know how better to read HF from this game xP we'll see if it holds true later) That aside, it makes it much easier to townread you when you present a case with good, valid points others haven't presented yet. Being townread is pretty important, too, not just being right and getting people to agree with you. Right now people kind of townread you for bad reasons. Mine is "stream-of-consciousness" posting. You look like you're saying exactly what you're thinking at the time. But selling that to anyone who hasn't played with you before would be difficult.
Okay fair enough.
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An Apology To All:
Firstly, I would like to start off with apologizing to several people for being stupidly aggressive over things when I was angry. I should not of responded so angrily or ignored people just because I was at work and frustrated with the environment and what was going on in the thread when I was unable to reply and take my time with posts. (I'm considering a self post restriction of not posting between the hours of 5-9 at night honestly as it gets me scum read). I honestly didn't mean to be a dick like Palmar said I was being and I try not to be rude but the shots at me that several of my friends made justmade me over react in a bad way. And I am sorry about that.
Most importantly I really apologize to the hosts and to the players for getting myself mod killed. I had no intentions of being mod killed and I was at work and did not notice the time on my phone. I thought I was dead and should of honestly just stopped posting, it was a dumb mistake and I apologize. The mod kill was 100% in the right and it was my mistake.
I played poorly this game and I am sorry i'll do better next time and i'm trying to improve part of my game now so that some of these things don't happen again.
Thank you for hosting HTS and Art, it was a pleasure and i'm glad the game ended like this.
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On February 11 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote:
An Apology To All:
Firstly, I would like to start off with apologizing to several people for being stupidly aggressive over things when I was angry. I should not of responded so angrily or ignored people just because I was at work and frustrated with the environment and what was going on in the thread when I was unable to reply and take my time with posts. (I'm considering a self post restriction of not posting between the hours of 5-9 at night honestly as it gets me scum read). I honestly didn't mean to be a dick like Palmar said I was being and I try not to be rude but the shots at me that several of my friends made justmade me over react in a bad way. And I am sorry about that.
Most importantly I really apologize to the hosts and to the players for getting myself mod killed. I had no intentions of being mod killed and I was at work and did not notice the time on my phone. I thought I was dead and should of honestly just stopped posting, it was a dumb mistake and I apologize. The mod kill was 100% in the right and it was my mistake.
I played poorly this game and I am sorry i'll do better next time and i'm trying to improve part of my game now so that some of these things don't happen again.
Thank you for hosting HTS and Art, it was a pleasure and i'm glad the game ended like this.
No worries man lol <3 I could completely sympathize with you, and I was scum. It's hard not to lash out when you feel like you're under attack.
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