EPTI appreciate the fight all game though.
Thank Eden for your hard-defence all game for me :p
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I appreciate the fight all game though. Thank Eden for your hard-defence all game for me :p | ||
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Half the Sky
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There were a few key turning points in the game, and some of it was not the scumteam's fault. The modkills were necessary based on the revealed alignment indicative information, and given the deadline issues, to also prevent WIFOM. Unfortunately for scumteam, that eradicated their best mislynch options. It also narrowed things down not only for town but also for the vigilante. Eden made an excellent point on how the vigilante shots were open discussion and an extended lynch because of that, he was the most scummiest player exposed and claimed at night. Normally a poor decision for most powerroles, and did not expect to live presumably to the next day. I think nightkill decisions by scum were 50/50 but they had good cause to take the direction they did. I was personally puzzled by the Palmar decision N1, but by N2 understood why they did what they did. But ignoring the vigilante claim I feel cost them. I also feel Rasputin deserves credit for getting as far as she did her first time as a scummer. It's not easy in a veteran game. Town were also not without their mistakes. I mean no insult to Batsnacks but I might actually nominate him for WTF Moment 2015. Because when we received the Breshke copcheck last night, that WAS literally our reaction: what in the actual fuck you were trying to do with that copcheck when it was clear there was a vigilante. I mean it just blew my mind. The N2 shot was a turning point because JAT had made it difficult for Breshke at the end with the campaigning. LightningStrike's case, whilst accurate, was not impressive (read: substantial) otherwise Breshke would not have grappled with the decision he did. In the end it was quite the sleuthwork by Marv, clearly doing what townies should be doing in late game, and that's reviewing the filters from the very beginning and tracing the read progression. Though he faltered on getting Holyflare mislynched D2, and D1 was a complete disaster for everyone, modkills aside, he pulled the strings in the end. | ||
Breshke
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Half the Sky
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On February 11 2015 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was cheering hard for a switch though, just because JAT deserved to keep going. TBF, so was I. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
This surprises me greatly. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/fKSpt/b26c560c8d.png) | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I think that had a lot to do with the fact that Bats asked to check Breshke  | ||
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rsoultin
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On February 11 2015 10:07 marvellosity wrote: I was ready for you bbygrl <3 I appreciate the fight all game though. Thank Eden for your hard-defence all game for me :p lol <3 I still think calling bats as the cop and pushing jat to force him to claim was the most fun part of the game for me xP suggestions for playing scum other than I just suck at it? lol (I fully realize I had the most trouble in the world scumreading anyone town ><) | ||
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rsoultin
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote: lol <3 I still think calling bats as the cop and pushing jat to force him to claim was the most fun part of the game for me xP suggestions for playing scum other than I just suck at it? lol (I fully realize I had the most trouble in the world scumreading anyone town ><) Not really, because I suffer from the same problem, it is really quite hard. I suggest reading an HF scumgame or two. also you didn't suck at scum at all. you're always going to have suspicion on you at some point, and you got a lot of townreads. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
The blue roles slightly favoured town, which is fair as the player count (10v3) slightly favours mafia, as the conventional mini size (9) is 7v2. 10v3 is 4 mislynches vs 3 lynches, whereas 7v2 is 3 mislynches vs 2 lynches. The former is easier for mafia as the difference in mislynch to lynch percentage is smaller. Mafia got very unlucky with both Damdred and sicklucker getting modkilled, as those were potential vigilante shots. This, coupled with Breshke making a game-winning shot on JAT led to the town victory, which marv finalized by a fantastic final day. | ||
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rsoultin
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rsoultin
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On February 11 2015 10:31 marvellosity wrote: Not really, because I suffer from the same problem, it is really quite hard. I suggest reading an HF scumgame or two. also you didn't suck at scum at all. you're always going to have suspicion on you at some point, and you got a lot of townreads. I completely talked myself into an unbreakable townread on bats right in the thread lol xP bresh gave me an out but kind of a weak one | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia got very unlucky with both Damdred and sicklucker getting modkilled, as those were potential vigilante shots. This, coupled with Breshke making a game-winning shot on JAT led to the town victory, which marv finalized by a fantastic final day. 100%. Setups are made with the assumption no modkills will go down. Eden completely well explained how the vig shots were an extension of the lynch. | ||
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Breshke
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Half the Sky
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The setup has been discussed already. A few issues came up, so if there's any commentary on anything done, particularly the modkills or any actions I took (or didn't take) this is the time to discuss them now. A few things I'll acknowledge on my end. D1 was a clusterfuck overall for everyone. There was a serious amount of votes swinging back and forth and when EoD hit, Artanis and I were getting different votecounts, due to an error on my end, I had missed Holyflare switching to Damdred. But we reconciled that. My first priority was getting the lynch right, for what I think should be very obvious reasons. Unfortunately the delay was also exacerbated by the two modkills/posting after EoD. I had caught Damdred and sicklucker posting but did not catch the alignment reveal until I backtracked and re-read from my original warning. So that contributed to a further delay. Again, folks, please don't make it harder for any host. The deadline should not take anyone by surprise. So I did not flip Damdred and sicklucker right away as I was tabbed between 5 people PMing me, talking to Artanis on the issues and such. Obviously a mistake for being inexperienced, I should have flipped them in the same post I made when I modkilled them. So I learn. Thankfully the WIFOM was minimal between my posts. This takes me to my second issue that I want to discuss - filter lengths and spam. Next post... | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote: Like i asked JAT to give reads outside of LS then shot him partly because he didn't mention LS in those reads. How dumb is that hahahaha lol bresh <3 you did a great job I was trying to breadcrumb not shooting jat while not being obvious, but there really wasn't a better shot for town  eden said it best. no matter how he flips you get a lot of info you don't get from other playersand thanks for all the townreads y'all made me feel filthy for? xP | ||
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batsnacks
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rsoultin
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On February 11 2015 10:53 rsoultin wrote: mine would have come back green, bats, so no worries. your checks couldn't be trusted with a framer, which you had to know we had I had no idea about the framer until jat flipped. The only thing I had considered was that jat was gf. Framing jat n1 never crossed my mind. edit: Like lightning, I actually had to go back and read the op to check if framers could reverse alignment checks as opposed to just making them come up as guilty. | ||
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