On February 12 2015 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: Kinda off topic, but C9++ has town winning 15% more often than mafia based on the mafia scum statistics so it probably shouldn't be considered as some type of standard.
42.5 vs 57.5 isn't bad if you rng everything. Roles are insane hard to balance. And C9++ can have a lot.
Well with the serial killer taken into account it is like 35% mafia vs 50% town on average. With the rng, that means that half of the possible setups are going to swing in even worse than 35/50 so even if it doesn't swing that far, its possible for you to end up in a setup that may be something close to 30/60 where one faction has twice the chance of winning as the other.
The sample size isn't great, but even TL's assortment of minis where hosts balance the game however they see fit with whatever normal roles are considered acceptable come out to a more even split on average. I suppose individual games may swing just as bad though, but those are the ones that you try to avoid.
On this site at least, rb notifications are quite common and medic save notifications are very uncommon. I think medic save notifications happen somewhat more on other sites.
I'll be honest and say I didn't pay too much attention to balancing the game. Went with some standard roles and figured it'd be fine. I also wasn't aware the miller was self-aware, so that was my bad. Koshi makes a good point on vigis clearing bad towns and that's something I learned this game.
Koshi's still bad for presuming cell is strongly mafia favoured though.
On February 12 2015 00:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be honest and say I didn't pay too much attention to balancing the game. Went with some standard roles and figured it'd be fine. I also wasn't aware the miller was self-aware, so that was my bad. Koshi makes a good point on vigis clearing bad towns and that's something I learned this game.
Koshi's still bad for presuming cell is strongly mafia favoured though.
On February 12 2015 00:30 Koshi wrote: I call this setup slightly in favor of scum because scum can rb medic. You add notifications of RB to balance this, because getting rb on N1 mostly indicates this person is town. But not always obviously.
Last question on balance for you Koshi - notification balances, do hosts tend to split up save or RB notifications to help with balance? I mean if you tell a scummer or a town that they were saved or even tracked (if a tracker obv applied) or something, that could spoil things, I dunno...
More information = better for town.
Notifications can be really strong, so don't take them lightly. For example letting both doc/saved person know they are saved is pretty insane. But if scum knows this, they need to play around it. Which might be a serious pain in the ass.
On February 12 2015 00:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be honest and say I didn't pay too much attention to balancing the game. Went with some standard roles and figured it'd be fine. I also wasn't aware the miller was self-aware, so that was my bad. Koshi makes a good point on vigis clearing bad towns and that's something I learned this game.
Koshi's still bad for presuming cell is strongly mafia favoured though.
The other guys I was talking about wouldn't even let me run it because it was so scumsided.
On February 11 2015 23:15 Koshi wrote: wp all.Town was pretty strong. Incredible to read the posts from marv/eden/hf especially. Others always had at least 1 scum on their list.
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slowly getting there
one day i'm gonna be consistently mentioned in that company
Uh, this isn't proof at all that he wasn't lying, just proof that at one point he RNGed a 5. For all you know he hit that button until he got a 5. Why wouldn't he be lying here?
oh yeah re: notifications
I notify for Rbs but rarely medic saves. scum can control who they RB so they have the option to use it or not user it as they will. medic save notifications too strong imo
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