EPT[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia
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On August 13 2014 03:09 sandroba wrote: /sitout cell mafia I've sat out cell mafia 5 months ago. I've pm'ed GM about it, but still no response. If that somehow doesn't count I'll sit out Linux. | ||
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@About Device I think a good strat is to guard it until / if town is in a losing spot then press it if it gets to that point. @Shootout I'm gonna be shooting someone as soon as 24h flips because someone is going to do it either way no matter how much we argue about it and I trust me more | ||
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I expect you both to suggest targets to shoot aproaching 24h. That way I (and the rest of town) can have an idea about your alignment and possibly follow up on one of you guys' suggestion. Also commenting as much as you can on stuff happening on the thread will also make it easy to id alignment, so if you are the town spirit post some to force the other dude to post aswel. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:02 Toadesstern wrote: wait, I thought they can't post and do anything other than their specific actions mentioned in the OP. I thought that means no talking for them and just randomly throw in their godpowers? I thought that meant not interacting between themselves, but I think you are right. Maybe the mod can clarify? | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:16 Breshke wrote: I think this is probably a good idea but would need a lot of cooperation. Also I think it is the best way to kind of see where peoples reads are and who is actually pushing for what shot. I havn't got much from the thread so far but I think it is fairly scummy that rayn has been apart of two shit fights with geript and toad that didn't really seem to go anywhere. It's pretty nice in theory, but all we need is one person to randomly decide they want to shoot to screw with town pretty hard in case of a miss. The person is probably going to be mislynched the next day, because they will probably be town and there is no way to commit to this plan without setting up a pusnishment the next day. So this will sum up to the equivalent of 2 mislynches if things go south. That's why I think the best plan is for me to try to shoot correctly in 24h. All the glory or all the shame, I'll take my chances =P. | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:06 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=Breshke&view=all Bresche filter. Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot Reasoning Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread. Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum. Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions. Possibly best exemplified by: & Couple points Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more" Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw. I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality. I'm still far ways off of catching up, but I found this post pretty good and have something to add to this. Breshe is indeed wishywashy again in his interaction with rayn. Rayn is pushing the idea that I'm scum for wanting to guard the button (not sure about rayn yet, but I believe he is just a misguided town, I'm not about to argue why I think guarding the button is best, because that's not the point). Breshe comes in to say he believes it is not scummy and immediately gets bullied by rayn. Breshe ends up agreeing with rayn that my behavior is scummy, even though he himself thought it wasn't scummy to do what I proposed. Wouldn't him as a towny think that I might have been thinking the same thing as him and didn't consider what rayn said like he didn't? Instead he takes the route of avoiding conflict and quickly fades away into the background. I think this only makes sense in a mafia mindset and would be my vote to shoot so far. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:07 kitaman27 wrote: Uhh sandroba, doesn't Breshke eventually come to the same conclusion that you're willing to shoot him for not coming to? uhu somehow I misread that, and that was really what tipped me off well, back to the filter diving I guess. I don't really like either YM or koshi shots tbh. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:18 your mom wrote: pretty underwhelmed by sandro atm, already wanted to ask if toad was around before kita made that point. he caught me once, said you can catch mafia off a single post. no comments on hts post which caused a wat reaction in multiple people before each decided to do his own thing starting from there. I'm underwhelmed at myself too, I don't blame you. I could provide excuses like being away from mafia for a while or not knowing the meta of 2/3 the players in this game. However that would be lazy and I'm not feeling particularly lazy right now. I shall go back to reading filters. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote: o.0 okay only pertinent thing in this muck is bresh check out titanic and metal mini mafia for his scum game...i'm not getting a scum vibe off him this game, but I haven't filter-dived him either He didn't play in titanic, but metal mini was a lot different than this. Lots more questions and one line acusations, not a lot of whishywashyness, different from here. I'm inclined to believe the dude is town now. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:12 Toadesstern wrote: I am willing to bet VEs balls on this being fake. Lynch robik imo. Someone who really wants to shoot doesn't just get the name wrong. He sits there waiting with the text prepared making sure he gets his shot off. The shot robik did was faked and so is that post. Judging by the loud acusations and further agro response on being acused I think it was an honest mistake. Rayn I'm torn about right now, his shot was awful, but his activity prior and subsequent silence after missing is pointing to town. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:47 geript wrote: Toad you can chime in on this too. I want to bounce ideas off of people and these are the people I'm the least sure of right now. From memory OWS bat onegu have all being really underwhelming. All have been flying under the radar and it's likely that there are 1-2 mafia lying in that group. Oats I don't think even posted once unless I missed it, so I'd like to give him a bit of time to come in the thread and give his thoughts. The only one I heavily lean town on is sepulchre because of his big intro post which I really liked. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:00 Toadesstern wrote: all pretty much in the same boat for being under the radar. I wouldn't be able to distinguish between any of them readwise atm. Would make for good vig shots in general if we have any. You don't think sep is town? | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:13 Toadesstern wrote: you are right, I did indeed mix up names there... + Show Spoiler [sicklucker] + On March 04 2015 05:32 Toadesstern wrote: sicklucker seems like a really good shot to me right now. Under the rader, only doing 1 line posts, none of them do anything, only talking about mechanics or something that looks like something but isn't actually because he refuses to do the extramile and do some analysis, like: what's that even telling us more of pretending he's doing something as in "see I totally have a read, it's Koshi" without doing anything. It's not his read on Koshi or what he's posting really, it's the elusive not really afk but just enough under the radar that deserves a shot imo. gimme some time to look at that guy in that case  You quoted the post I was responding to rsoultin so I don't know if you got it right. To be clear I think sepuclchre is town and LS is scum. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ His posting in general has been stream-of-consciousness. Duh the list wasn't. Your point? I know this isn't directed at me, but my point is that mafia doesn't give themselves alway in every post, they actually try to post like they are town. Finding those gems is what counts when trying to catch them. | ||
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On March 06 2015 01:40 Half the Sky wrote: Sandroba, few questions for you, we have a few people who questioned Sepulchre on his followup posts and some did not like his followup posts. Now Geript claims to have shot him last night. Do you have any thoughts on people scumming Sep or has your read on Sep since changed? If so, how? Also you targetted three people for having "underwhelming filters" and LS for being scum because you didn't like his list post. I see Kita's already asked this to an extent, but I also feel the same here - do you have any other scum reads at this point in time? The way I see it either sep is ninja or geript is lying. I don't see him being a medic or bp vest target. I'm gonna wait and see what sep has to say for himself before I say anything about my updated read. I still think LS is scum, bat and kei are likely scum and one or both of tube and sl are scum for sure. Reads are all based on d1 though, didn't have much time to read d2, just skimmed the thread a bit. | ||
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I assumed a cop check comes from a town spirit. | ||
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On March 06 2015 05:29 sandroba wrote: The way I see it either sep is ninja or geript is lying. I don't see him being a medic or bp vest target. I'm gonna wait and see what sep has to say for himself before I say anything about my updated read. I still think LS is scum, bat and kei are likely scum and one or both of tube and sl are scum for sure. Reads are all based on d1 though, didn't have much time to read d2, just skimmed the thread a bit. One more thing to add to support this is that I recieved my power in the begging of the night and I assume everyone else did too. So any spirit wouldnt have time to react to geript saying he would shoot sep and give him a vest in response. So that furthers my belief that sep is either ninja or geript is lying. | ||
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So I took some time to look at SL and tube's filter from day 1 and I found both extremely similar. Both start up going for the easy target koshi then end up "sheeping rayn" on his read on your mom. SL produces very little except from those two reads and tube despite creating his voting thing about the dayvig shot hardly commits to it at all. It's even hard to tell what person he actually wants to kill by the end of the day. And comes d2 both are 100% certain the other is town despite day 1 both being on 2 dead townies. And guess what, they are both spamming the thread trying to get another townie killed today aswel. They are both pretty tied together in "reads" and agenda and this is pretty clear to anyone who pays attention. Yes, I'm about 95% certain both of them are mafia and voting for either of them is a good option at this point. At first I found a little weird the reaction that SL gave when I announced my cop check, but now realising that it implicated both him and his partner it all makes sense in my head. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:39 geript wrote: Really Sandro? Really? I don't get it. Wat? The same bastard hosting bullshit from Tube/SL? Fuck this. Fuck this. I'm giong to get food and call an HR guy. I'm done arguing over this shit. I'm done. Did you actually do the math on this? Assuming 1 spot is taken by mafia and the rest of the spots are ramdomized there is actually 1 - (14/20^3) = 75,7% chance another spot in the cell is taken by mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote: uhu somehow I misread that, and that was really what tipped me off well, back to the filter diving I guess. I don't really like either YM or koshi shots tbh. I didn't go much into it because I didn't think anyone would actually shoot him but, I did mention it. Not sure what's your point though. | ||
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On March 07 2015 05:00 kitaman27 wrote: Furthermore, aside from sick/tube, which players in particular are shady for voting you and why? Hmm everyone else? LS I've been suspicious since day1, HTS epifany and fecal I didn't do much research on but all seem unremarkable and just popped and and said yeah sandroba for sure scum, so there could be 1 or more in there. | ||
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