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On March 10 2015 09:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:29 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 09:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like theres no town roles we all got a green font "town" pm obviously mafia didnt know that. I have to admit I was really influenced by this post on day two. I couldn't imaging a world where that wouldn't be considered cheating and insta-modkilled, but I suppose it would be unfair to mafia to modkill a cell member and it's my fault for trying to read into mod actions a bit too much. Any chance we could get an action list? Not really clear how the powers were distributed based on the qt. I'm not really sure what is mod-killable about that? AFAIK, it's always been permissive to claim your role PM as long as you don't copy-paste it in thread. And mafia was given the same role pm, and same sample fake pm. Unless I'm missing something :o I was under the impression it broke this one: Show nested quote +Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. Especially the discussion of the format since I know several people have been banned for that in the past and every host may not include the color of the text in the sample PM. Not that it would have made a difference though it seems.
Hmm I guess you're right.
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On March 10 2015 09:22 scott31337 wrote:
Town was crap not seeing the claim Sandroba and how it would work for mafia - it was obvious to me.
I saw it eventually, and I was pushing to kill Sandroba till the spirit mindfucked me.
How should I have gotten people to read my posts more?
I'd like feedback from you guys if you're willing please.
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meh if town loses after lynching scum on d3, the balance of the game is way off.
Even if snowballs occur.
Its a 26 player game man.
Also the spirit thing, the point difference is clearly not enough to make up for a sheer lack of information for the town spirit.
I wouldve been ok with both spirits not knowing or both spirits knowing but as it is, yeah the town spirit gave abilities to mafia.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 04 2015 07:59 IAmRobik wrote:
##Shoot lightningstorm
I blame Robik for the loss 
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Kitaman I also want to say I <3 you for being the only one in the game to townread me all the way through even though you have only played with me once, because ninja kills aside, that was the game I was trying to play!
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On March 10 2015 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
lynch him on d2, not shoot him.
Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt.
I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. I overthought the whole thing and I was TRing (at that time) geript, Kita, Breshke, etc basically it was herd mentality and most of them were voting SL, and LS and Tube were voting Sandroba.
I can't tell you how much time I put into reading and re-reading SL's filter and trying to meta him.
sicklucker is a very difficult player to read, and I became paranoid that if we lynched Sandroba and he was town, that I'd be kicking myself in the rear for not killing sicklucker.
I also completely ignored the spirit messages - I thought it was just all a distraction. That was the sad part.
And Tube, you scumread me for not getting mechanics. I have misunderstand mechanics at least twice before in games...as both alignments.
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On March 10 2015 09:38 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:22 scott31337 wrote:
Town was crap not seeing the claim Sandroba and how it would work for mafia - it was obvious to me.
I saw it eventually, and I was pushing to kill Sandroba till the spirit mindfucked me. How should I have gotten people to read my posts more? I'd like feedback from you guys if you're willing please.
That was really a big clusterfuck. Had I been around, I would have told him not to make that claim. Or at least, nott o make it on Onegu. And I feel like I could have made some good arguments for why it wouldn't make sense for mafia sandro to claim cop there, but by the time I got back in the thread, the whole thing was already over and SL was dead.
I feel like a LOT of the reason people were so 99% sure that sandro was scum was just because of SL starting that whole "no one has roles" thing which could have been stopped easily just by pointing to the OP.
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geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit:
Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid.
holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2.
It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.
On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote:Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt. I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. [...]
so sheep the two townies that conveniently both thought one of the two options you had is the most likely mafia in the entire game, who both conveniently got shot by mafia.
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People pointed at the OP.
Eating dinner then I'll post a few things more.
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On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:
He proably should not have claimed though.
I had zero clue that it was Robik until he claimed.
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On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote:Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt. I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. I overthought the whole thing and I was TRing (at that time) geript, Kita, Breshke, etc basically it was herd mentality and most of them were voting SL, and LS and Tube were voting Sandroba. I can't tell you how much time I put into reading and re-reading SL's filter and trying to meta him. sicklucker is a very difficult player to read, and I became paranoid that if we lynched Sandroba and he was town, that I'd be kicking myself in the rear for not killing sicklucker. I also completely ignored the spirit messages - I thought it was just all a distraction. That was the sad part. And Tube, you scumread me for not getting mechanics. I have misunderstand mechanics at least twice before in games...as both alignments.
I was also actually thinking that you were not really caring about the game. In your reads you basically only said X person did this in Y game so Z. Everything I read from you was a meta comparison. I felt like you were not invested in OUR game. That's why I scum read you. What I posted was also saying that I thought Robik was right. He claimed and didn't shoot you, so you should have been mafia.
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Vote count
sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Alakaslam, sandroba, Alakaslam, kitaman27, Half the Sky, ObiWanShinobi, Tubesock
Sandroba (6): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, IAmRobik
Onegu (1): Kurumi
Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker
Not voted (1): Keirathi
Looking through all the VCAs done on both sides (town and scum), that massive town clusterfuck...can't blame all of us in the pileup for blaming each other. Several people ignored Kurumi as an isolated vote, thought that should have given him away if his trolling and unexplained sporadic reads didn't.
Not to mention that Kitaman was dead on about mafia placing their votes early and that town was entirely responsible for the fuckup at the end (myself notwithstanding).
Kita, how did you know not to blame any of us when the rest of us were pointing fingers at each other? God tier reads?
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On March 10 2015 09:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 09:38 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 09:22 scott31337 wrote:
Town was crap not seeing the claim Sandroba and how it would work for mafia - it was obvious to me.
I saw it eventually, and I was pushing to kill Sandroba till the spirit mindfucked me. How should I have gotten people to read my posts more? I'd like feedback from you guys if you're willing please. That was really a big clusterfuck. Had I been around, I would have told him not to make that claim. Or at least, nott o make it on Onegu. And I feel like I could have made some good arguments for why it wouldn't make sense for mafia sandro to claim cop there, but by the time I got back in the thread, the whole thing was already over and SL was dead. I feel like a LOT of the reason people were so 99% sure that sandro was scum was just because of SL starting that whole "no one has roles" thing which could have been stopped easily just by pointing to the OP.
See, I thought people were towning Sandroba for getting the cop check. It was basically Sicklucker vs me. And no one was believing what I was saying that Sandroba would have HUGE motive to claim in his position.
But I didn't think anyone was listening, except for Geript.
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lolol oh dude, ls was scum this game?
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On March 10 2015 09:54 rsoultin wrote:
lolol oh dude, ls was scum this game?
Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser.
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On March 10 2015 09:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Vote count
sicklucker (10): Onegu, Sepulchre, geript, Breshke, Alakaslam, sandroba, Alakaslam, kitaman27, Half the Sky, ObiWanShinobi, Tubesock
Sandroba (6): sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Tubesock, AT.Epiphany, Half the Sky, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, IAmRobik
Onegu (1): Kurumi
Tubesock (2): batsnacks, sicklucker
Not voted (1): Keirathi
Looking through all the VCAs done on both sides (town and scum), that massive town clusterfuck...can't blame all of us in the pileup for blaming each other. Several people ignored Kurumi as an isolated vote, thought that should have given him away if his trolling and unexplained sporadic reads didn't.
The other thing I couldn't understand is that you were using mechanics to base your decisions on.
I don't understand ANY of mafia's mechanics really. So, I have to find things that can be true no matter what.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit: Show nested quote +Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid. holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2. It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.
I think he should have shot in that situation but not at sandroba since he was almost certainly mafia at that point. If I were him I would have shot into the scummiest ninja suspect. Maybe someone like kurumi or slam where they had a decent chance of being third party, but the game wouldn't end if he was wrong.
After the shot, claiming isn't all that bad since the 2nd ninja had already shot. It informs mafia not to shoot him and town not to lynch him.
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On March 10 2015 09:55 Half the Sky wrote:Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser.
ouch :/ now I can't soulread him anymore
actually I think almost all my reads were wrong lolol >< beautiful
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On March 10 2015 09:55 Tubesock wrote:
The other thing I couldn't understand is that you were using mechanics to base your decisions on.
Herd mentality/sheeping Kita. As in he was considering mechanics in his decision.
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@geript:
16 people alive(6 vs 2 vs 8)
=> Mafia lynch => 15 people alive (5 vs 2 vs 8)
=> night action, if mafia got a vig again it's even possible endgame despite the mafialynch because 5 vs 2 vs 5, ninja lost without getting to day3, without using his shot.
Had robik shot a townie in an attempt to use his shot it would have only looked worse. Goes to show that geript really didn't understand ninja wincon or has more information that isn't available to us and robik. Like wether or not Mafia wants to doublestack, wether or not Mafia has a vig this night again. That's information we don't have.
On the other hand, with Sandroba dead that's mafia down to 5, if town manages to get 3 townies on the mission and kill geript that's mafia down to 4 and thus KP reduced to 1 KP + vigs. Thus stalling the game by a lot, making town like him and at least getting a chance to win by chance rather than outright losing before even reaching d3.
The shot robik did was the by far best thing he could have done from his point of view.
Holding his shot would have been the worst thing he could have done because that's always, in all possible scenarios a lose for him because the game ends before he uses his shot because it stops before d3, thus literally being 0% chance to win had he hold the shot.
Wether he should shoot mafia or try to hit mafia depends on how certain he is on his reads. If he has no idea who the 2nd ninja is shooting mafia is the best thing he can do in that situation to at least try and get some lucky win somehow like HTS did. Sure that's crappy but better than 0% chance to win.
You just were angry because he shot mafia and you were mafia but it was the best possible thing for him to do in that sitaution, there's really no arguing about that.
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