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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 10 2015 01:23 GMT
#3101
Ls for mafia mvp I would have never voted him
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 01:27:33
March 10 2015 01:23 GMT
#3102
On March 10 2015 10:18 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:11 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:07 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:
geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit:
Also the correct play for Robik is to 100% hold his shot. Shooting there was really really stupid.


holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2.
It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though.

On March 10 2015 09:45 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
lynch him on d2, not shoot him.


Ahhh so you are asking why I lynched SL instead of Sandroba? Thought I explained in obs qt.

I could not decide between the two. They both looked bad. [...]


so sheep the two townies that conveniently both thought one of the two options you had is the most likely mafia in the entire game, who both conveniently got shot by mafia.

First things first:
Killing mafia during the night lowers KP. I'm pretty sure Artanis commented on this in thread even. So there's no point to do so during D3. Second, let's pretend Onegu (or one of his proposed team) is mafia. Mafia will use the lynch as KP and just kill an obvious towny. Then shooting mafia does him absolutely no good as he will just get endgamed after being shot. Like mafia will just pretend he's not even in the game. Third, let's pretend the 3P gets elected (who will obvious fail it). Then we just kill Robik most likely out of gratitude because it removes extra votes etc. Fourth, if all town gets elected, he knows not to shoot any of them.

Let's also just look at the situation. Pretend he uses his shuriken; his only way of getting the other ninja killed is to do it via lynch (which is essentially the same as shooting them) OR by having mafia put NKs on the other ninja. By killing a mafia (and where 1 mafia is outed), mafia KP is reduced so he's unlikely to get his wish. Like there's literally no situation where I can think of that Robik is in a better spot by specifically shooting Sandroba instead of aiming for 3P. Yes, it helps him not get endgamed sooner, but it doesn't ever actually help him win the game.


you completly fail to realize that he would not have gotten a lynch on d3 because the game ends before d3 and thus everything you mentioned there is just wrong.

Yes, mafia loses KP once down to 4, that's the reason he shot mafia. To try and get a d3 lynch instead of just losing without getting another lynch.

So no, what he did was the best he could have done (assuming he has no idea who the ninja is). I'm not going to argue wether or not he should have used his shot to shoot ninja, that's obviously best play but holding his shot like you said would have been the worst possible scenario for him.

He was alive on D3. Mafia in order to endgame can't win until D4. It was 8v2v6. Killing 1 town doesn't make endgame because he still has his bullet. And if he's going to shoot mafia during the day. Then he should shoot during the night because he might actually remove a Mafia role. Like if you want to argue that he has to shoot mafia with it to prevent endgame, then it's 100% better to shoot that mafia player at night (after roles are given out).


take a look at it from his point of view for a sec, because 8v2v6 IS endgame for him, even with spare KP to doubleshot.

  • Mafia only had 2 shots n1.
  • No Vigilante (that's wrong but that's what he saw) so he assumes mafia spirit saved points for something big.
  • Even if mafia is down to 1KP that's still possible endgame if mafia get's 2 vigis.
  • 1 Vigi is almost confirmed because there was no vig on n1 and mafia spirit saved points, if mafia has 2 vigs it can still be endgame despite reducing mafia KP to 1 but well, need to yolo and hope town get's a save somewhere.


That's already endgame even with mafia on 1 KP. Had he not shot mafia there would have been 1 more KP for mafia. There's no way he gets to day3.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 10 2015 01:23 GMT
#3103
On March 10 2015 10:22 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 09:55 Half the Sky wrote:
On March 10 2015 09:54 rsoultin wrote:
lolol oh dude, ls was scum this game?


Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser.


acualy judging from the scum qt Ls didnt listen to geript. But that was briliant because I asumed scum ls would sheep geript and he tricked us all!

I just played like myself but couldn't keep on posting much lol........ I didn't listen to Geript on some stuff mainly about bussing Sandroba because I needed some extra Towncred and wanted to play like how Artanis did in Imperial.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:24 GMT
#3104
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 10 2015 01:24 GMT
#3105
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.

Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 10 2015 01:25 GMT
#3106
On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.


It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 01:26 GMT
#3107
On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.

Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.

Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 10 2015 01:27 GMT
#3108
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.


If there mafia its "fake" to me. I never really considered that mafia would be trying to trick the own spirit ill admit. Because I honestly didnt think a town spirit would give them anything oh silly me
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:27 GMT
#3109
On March 08 2015 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked if a Ninja shot during N3 on the 5th mafia member reduces the mafia KP to 1 on N3. It does.

I was also asked if the mission required a unanimous pass. It does.

Toad. This post. If he shoots mafia on N3, he not only can get a role that's been given out (thereby further delaying endgame) but it also reduced KP.

Like if you want to argue that shooting during D3 is better than shooting during N3. Then you're just wrong. There's literally no benefit to shooting during D3 instead of N3.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 01:28 GMT
#3110
On March 10 2015 10:27 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.


If there mafia its "fake" to me. I never really considered that mafia would be trying to trick the own spirit ill admit. Because I honestly didnt think a town spirit would give them anything oh silly me

it was even pointed out by Artanis in the thread that that's possible when Kita asked?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:29 GMT
#3111
On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.


It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.

Yah that would've been hilarious.

BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 10 2015 01:30 GMT
#3112
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 10 2015 01:30 GMT
#3113
On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.

Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.

Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two?

I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree".

Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:33 GMT
#3114
On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr

That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 01:35:13
March 10 2015 01:34 GMT
#3115
On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.

Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.

Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two?

I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree".

Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p

I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 01:37:48
March 10 2015 01:36 GMT
#3116
On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.

I think people ignored this fact too much

it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all.

Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person.

Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two?

I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree".

Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p

I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol

Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough?

Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 10 2015 01:36 GMT
#3117
On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.


It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.

Yah that would've been hilarious.

BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever.


lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
March 10 2015 01:37 GMT
#3118
I need to articulate better.

I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.

It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.

Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 10 2015 01:37 GMT
#3119
On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:
On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check?

Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus.

Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes.


It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point.

Yah that would've been hilarious.

BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever.


lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD

BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 01:38 GMT
#3120
On March 10 2015 10:27 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2015 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was asked if a Ninja shot during N3 on the 5th mafia member reduces the mafia KP to 1 on N3. It does.

I was also asked if the mission required a unanimous pass. It does.

Toad. This post. If he shoots mafia on N3, he not only can get a role that's been given out (thereby further delaying endgame) but it also reduced KP.

Like if you want to argue that shooting during D3 is better than shooting during N3. Then you're just wrong. There's literally no benefit to shooting during D3 instead of N3.

Oh I get it... I thought you were arguing that he should have hold his shot until the day-cycle that would have come now had it not endgamed because you were so angry about it.
Well wether he shoots during day or night hardly makes a difference for you, except like you said that he can make you lose a role but do you really think Syllo would have given Sandroba an item ?
So don't really see the point there.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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