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On March 10 2015 10:47 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!" Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim.
On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much
Game literally solved and I screamed about it but no one cared 
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On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are
This. In fact part of the reason I kept my vote on sandro was because of the fact that AFTER people were talking about the spirit having a soulread on sandro, a message comes up saying 'lol guys sandro is so town.' I have no idea about any of the history here and it felt like an elaborate story for the noob townies to eat up.
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On March 10 2015 10:53 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:
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it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu  granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that's Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness Meh, I disagree. Tube was the shining beacon of townness in that cell Man, that day 1 only being 24 hours really fucked me I was having a good game going into the end of night 1, but stupid exams. That time I missed should have been in the night phase instead of day
After the day started? Yeah tube looked really good and was obviously town but before or when it started Onegu was the only one I townread, which is when you have to decide who to pick for your cop-check.
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On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount.
That is a surprising amount
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On March 10 2015 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:53 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:
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Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that's Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness Meh, I disagree. Tube was the shining beacon of townness in that cell Man, that day 1 only being 24 hours really fucked me I was having a good game going into the end of night 1, but stupid exams. That time I missed should have been in the night phase instead of day After the day started? Yeah tube looked really good and was obviously town but before or when it started Onegu was the only one I townread, which is when you have to decide who to pick for your cop-check.
I meant had I been town, I feel like I would have had a pretty good townread on Tube just from his day 1 stuff.
That whole "plan" thing was pretty townie, even if it wasn't necessarily good.
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On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount.
FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D
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On March 10 2015 10:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!" Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim. Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much Game literally solved and I screamed about it but no one cared
Yeah, like why were we being ignored?
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On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D
I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive.
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So any tips for me as Mafia?
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On March 10 2015 10:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So any tips for me as Mafia?
Post way more. You fell off after D1. After Day 1 I was thinking you were not spewing like normal. AND I thought it was weird that when I was having a weird panic attack before the end of this last day, you responded to my scum on you with the most readable post I have ever seen from you.
I was going to do everything I could to kill Batsnacks or Fecal (and lost us the game) but I was going to nudge you a bit and see what happened. You fell off.
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kitaman27
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On March 10 2015 10:58 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:53 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!" Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim. On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much Game literally solved and I screamed about it but no one cared Yeah, like why were we being ignored?
Hehe to be fair, you use the logic that you know you're town and you read the other as town, therefore sandroba must be mafia. Players outside of the cell can't use that method of process of elimination. I would have loved to be included with tube, onegu, and sandroba on day two. It's not that all of us didn't care, we just got it wrong.
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On March 10 2015 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive.
That reminds me, I don't think I've ever played a game with town sandro
He was scum in Chrono Trigger, Catastrophe, and this.
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On March 10 2015 11:02 Tubesock wrote:Post way more. You fell off after D1. After Day 1 I was thinking you were not spewing like normal. AND I thought it was weird that when I was having a weird panic attack before the end of this last day, you responded to my scum on you with the most readable post I have ever seen from you. I was going to do everything I could to kill Batsnacks or Fecal (and lost us the game) but I was going to nudge you a bit and see what happened. You fell off.
Day 2 it was Cell and I never played Cell before so I didn't know how much activity I needed. Day 3 the cop check killed the day way to early imo. Onegu shoulda of checked out what happens when you call your Cop check Mafia after that. Plus Day 2 Sanroba claimed cop check so it was kinda weird for me knowing he was Scum.
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I think I'm gonna go into hostbernation. I get hype to play mafia before the game starts and then lose all motivation to read after a cycle and it makes me a really easy mislynch target and confuses townies
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kitaman27
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On March 10 2015 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive.
Having TL Mafia LXVI as his most recent town game really didn't help the cause. Sometimes tough to tell between "I'm not posting because I'm too busy" and "I'm not posting because I'm mafia". His lazy post about Breshke should have probably made the difference I suppose.
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On March 10 2015 11:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:59 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:58 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:50 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. FWIW I don't trust syllo/sandro soulread anymore after they fucked with me in Catastrophe by both being mafia :D I mean Sandro really isn't that hard to read... and if you're unsure, wait until d3 and lynch him if he's still alive. Having TL Mafia LXVI as his most recent town game really didn't help the cause. Sometimes tough to tell between "I'm not posting because I'm too busy" and "I'm not posting because I'm mafia". His lazy post about Breshke should have probably made the difference I suppose.
the laziness wasn't really it. He was doing a lot more in this game than what you linked, just that what he did in this game was all really bad stuff. I probably would not have mafiaread him had he posted less.
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On March 10 2015 10:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Wow, you did not include me in that list geript?...
IDK why I forgot about you. But yah. Toad too.
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On March 10 2015 11:05 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 11:02 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 10:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So any tips for me as Mafia? Post way more. You fell off after D1. After Day 1 I was thinking you were not spewing like normal. AND I thought it was weird that when I was having a weird panic attack before the end of this last day, you responded to my scum on you with the most readable post I have ever seen from you. I was going to do everything I could to kill Batsnacks or Fecal (and lost us the game) but I was going to nudge you a bit and see what happened. You fell off. Day 2 it was Cell and I never played Cell before so I didn't know how much activity I needed. Day 3 the cop check killed the day way to early imo. Onegu shoulda of checked out what happens when you call your Cop check Mafia after that. Plus Day 2 Sanroba claimed cop check so it was kinda weird for me knowing he was Scum.
That!
When you are town, none of that would have mattered. You are constantly looking to solve the game. In your last few games if you were going to be gone for a little while you 95% of the time said soemthing like "I'll give my thoughts when I return!" and it's always with an explanation point.
I have a couple friends with Aspergers and Autism and such. They are all extremely CONSISTENT. You my friend are also extremely consistent with things like that give thoughts and return. Look at your posts this game. I only saw 1 or 2 with that. You had soooo many saying you'd be back later.
Kinda dumb, but it's true isn't it? It's exactly like how Eden figured out Rsoultin for not using emotes. Stupid but true. Tin Foil Hat.
I even had a prepared message to Chezinu talking about you. I was going to use how you "staple paperwork" and "produce a lot" but this time you are carefree with how you staple your reports. Chezinu never came back. Funny I was starting to think more about him. In his lists he had Chezinu (his character) as town but Kurumi as not town. I even started to refer to him as Kurumi instead of Chezinu.
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On March 10 2015 11:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 11:05 LightningStrike wrote:On March 10 2015 11:02 Tubesock wrote:On March 10 2015 10:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So any tips for me as Mafia? Post way more. You fell off after D1. After Day 1 I was thinking you were not spewing like normal. AND I thought it was weird that when I was having a weird panic attack before the end of this last day, you responded to my scum on you with the most readable post I have ever seen from you. I was going to do everything I could to kill Batsnacks or Fecal (and lost us the game) but I was going to nudge you a bit and see what happened. You fell off. Day 2 it was Cell and I never played Cell before so I didn't know how much activity I needed. Day 3 the cop check killed the day way to early imo. Onegu shoulda of checked out what happens when you call your Cop check Mafia after that. Plus Day 2 Sanroba claimed cop check so it was kinda weird for me knowing he was Scum. That! When you are town, none of that would have mattered. You are constantly looking to solve the game. In your last few games if you were going to be gone for a little while you 95% of the time said soemthing like "I'll give my thoughts when I return!" and it's always with an explanation point. I have a couple friends with Aspergers and Autism and such. They are all extremely CONSISTENT. You my friend are also extremely consistent with things like that give thoughts and return. Look at your posts this game. I only saw 1 or 2 with that. You had soooo many saying you'd be back later. Kinda dumb, but it's true isn't it? It's exactly like how Eden figured out Rsoultin for not using emotes. Stupid but true. Tin Foil Hat. I even had a prepared message to Chezinu talking about you. I was going to use how you "staple paperwork" and "produce a lot" but this time you are carefree with how you staple your reports. Chezinu never came back. Funny I was starting to think more about him. In his lists he had Chezinu (his character) as town but Kurumi as not town. I even started to refer to him as Kurumi instead of Chezinu.
Funny enough I got Autism myself lol.............. Ya I way to consistant as town to do the ! at the end of my I will be back posts lol.
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stupid reads are the best reads, just don't tell anyone about it.
I always pick the opposite of what I read VE as when I try to get his alignment.
Think VE is town? -> MAFIA
Think VE is mafia? -> Town
it's not stupid if it works... it's just really hard to explain
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