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kitaman27
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On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness  I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby."
No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013.
I better get checked for Alzheimer's. 
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On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored?
The thing is that claiming a green check on Onegu doesn't clear Sandroba whatsoever. It makes it a 3 person pod instead of a 4 person pod. That's it. It doesn't say, "100% between SL or Tube."
Oh and BTW. News flash. I do lie as mafia. I lie as town too. I just generally don't like about random shit. Like having a 2 hour phone conversation with someone.
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On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png
why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason.
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Yeah. This game sounded fun in concept, but wasn't fun to play.
I was never going to modkill myself but I was getting very frustrated with being ignored and then scum read.
I think my day2 opinion had 5 of the scum team. Yet I had no confidence to push because no1 wanted to interact.
I agree with kita regarding stance on late post vs. No vote.
If keirathi was town, would he have been mod killed?
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On March 10 2015 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:
If things hadn't ended due to roles, I think town could have probably gotten a couple more scum based on killing off the afkers who didn't care, but not mislynching batsnacks would have been really tough near endgame and mafia probably would have won out anyways.
Town did not care..
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On March 10 2015 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby." No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013. I better get checked for Alzheimer's.
But it's a memorably random post. So next time remember. I'll be claiming mafia to you so you don't shoot and and so that we can talk about working together better.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 10 2015 10:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby." No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013. I better get checked for Alzheimer's. But it's a memorably random post. So next time remember. I'll be claiming mafia to you so you don't shoot and and so that we can talk about working together better.
I'm never working together with you again.
You're too backstabby.
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On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored?
Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall).
Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!"
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On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason.
For what it's worth, your list and Rayne's were the ignition to my theory which turned out to be correct.
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On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason.
Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu
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On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!"
this exactly.
That's what I meant in obs QT with 'SL and tube are carrying town d2 but for all the wrong reasons'. You two had it completly figured out (SL started derping later on) but there just was no reasoning behind it. The check Sandroba did had no indication towards any alignment whatsoever and should have been treated just liked that.
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On March 10 2015 10:41 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah. This game sounded fun in concept, but wasn't fun to play.
I was never going to modkill myself but I was getting very frustrated with being ignored and then scum read.
I think my day2 opinion had 5 of the scum team. Yet I had no confidence to push because no1 wanted to interact.
I agree with kita regarding stance on late post vs. No vote.
If keirathi was town, would he have been mod killed?
FWIW, I was very surprised that neither Keir/Kurumi got modkilled as that's reasonably normal (but I know Artanis is different). The problem, imo, with the Onegu post is that it 100% mod confirms him as town. Like you can make an argument (when Onegu doesn't die which fwiw was my plan) that it was a double bus for cred that went awry because Sandroba got shot. Especially when Onegu like Townread me, soft scumread me then 2 days later comes out with a redcheck. Like town can never lynch him and not because of in game actions but because it's something that 100% obviously makes him town.
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On March 10 2015 10:43 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
I need to articulate better.
I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba.
I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba.
It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba.
Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? Playing devil's advocate: what if sandroba was town, and he did actually check Onegu (which I still think would have been a solid check overall). Sure, your scenario is possible (and was the case), but why aren't the other scenarios possible? Why, in this specific case, is that scenario the only one that makes sense and make sandro scum? There is more to making an argument than just seeing a scenario and thinking "That makes sense, that must be how it happened!"
Ah well, I thought about it's most likely. I knew I was town, I believe that mafia could only green or ninja check onegu. So, the only options were Sicklucker and Sandroba. And mafia Sicklucker would bury me. He would never take the word of some weirdo over a cop claim.
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On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu
granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of
"wow, that Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness
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On March 10 2015 10:43 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:41 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:37 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:29 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby." No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013. I better get checked for Alzheimer's. But it's a memorably random post. So next time remember. I'll be claiming mafia to you so you don't shoot and and so that we can talk about working together better. I'm never working together with you again. You're too backstabby.
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But kita, I only promise to backstab you and ride your corpse to victory if it's required. If anything I'll do my best to win WITH you.
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On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness
This is pretty much true. My only exception to this is that he was WAY more inactive than he usually is as town.
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On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game.
And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are
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On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:33 geript wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are
Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount.
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Wow, you did not include me in that list geript?...
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On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2015 10:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:26 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:24 Keirathi wrote:On March 10 2015 10:18 Toadesstern wrote:On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote:
I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia.
I think people ignored this fact too much it wasn't fake at all. It was just not alignment indicative, why should it be? He picked Onegu because there was 0% of Onegu being ever lynched in that Cell. Everyone was townreading him during d1. So dishing out a green check on someone who already was townread but almost everyone should not have mattered at all. Was everyone townreading him day 1? I don't remember that. When i made my case/points about him being mafia during night 1, no one contested them or anything, and afaik I didn't remember anyone hard-towning him at that point anyways. Maybe like 1 person. Rayn and I both had him as town. Pretty sure there were more than just us two? I just looked back. You had him as null, then rayn said "I feel like he is kinda playing like I expect" and then you said "I agree". Those are like the weakest town reads ever :p I had him as town in my sheet that I posted though. Sure it's a super weak read but when in the same Cell as someone labeled "KILL IT WITH FIRE" as well as two nulls that's more than enough lol Your sheet had him as null? Or did you post an updated one and I just didn't scroll down far enough? Edit: This was the one I was looking at: http://i.imgur.com/qCM4NLA.png why does noone read the fucking sheet.... I include some basic explanations to it for a reason. Oh, herp derp. Somehow I read all the other ones, but didn't see the note about Onegu granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that's Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness
Meh, I disagree. Tube was the shining beacon of townness in that cell
Man, that day 1 only being 24 hours really fucked me  I was having a good game going into the end of night 1, but stupid exams. That time I missed should have been in the night phase instead of day
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