Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 21

On February 17 2015 04:12 jarjarbinks wrote:
If you are pressuring Hier to talk, you might be giving him the wrong incentives. Right now it looks like a lost cause. If you truly believe he is bad, keep your vote by all means. If it is only for pressure, too many of you are doing it lol

On February 17 2015 03:54 jarjarbinks wrote:


So is this like your strongest read of the game? Deserving of a -2 score?

On February 17 2015 04:19 zlefin wrote:

each read I only score as a single point, unless it's really strong, this was a 1 point scum read; the other -1 came from a general tonal impression over the first RL day or so.

On February 17 2015 04:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm adding to the counterwagon for zlefin. There definitely needs to be one, and I see zlefin as pretty scummy so far.

1. Doesn't really explain scumreads, besides my joke.
2. Is kind of scumhunting, but not really.
3. Most reads are pure tonal. Which is fine, but I can't back that.

zlefin if you answer my above question and I like it, I am willing to change my vote.

Hier, please post you still have a chance of not dying today. People switch votes all the time in this game. Answering questions helps people understand your thinking and if your town that is good for you

On February 17 2015 04:20 jarjarbinks wrote:
I haven't talked about Tere and Silver much, so i'll share my thoughts

Tere: You seem like a nice version of my sister lol It looks like you make tonal reads but have some backing to them which is nice. I think what you said about mime has some truth to it. I agree with some of Trf's suspicions of you because some of it reminds me of my sister so I believe you have the ability to fool me. But as of right now count me fooled, I'm giving you a townlean right now.

Silver: I don't know what to think about you so far. I think your excuses are definitely justified, but it does hurt my ability to read you. Some people don't like wall posts, but you will need to get all of your thoughts out when you are here. Voting Hier is justifiable right now, but I don't see that as scumhunting. You have me worried.

On February 17 2015 04:22 jarjarbinks wrote:


Got it. Can you explain your Trf flip reasoning from before?

On February 17 2015 00:34 rsoultin wrote:


Got it in one, lol. Okay, good, cause that's where our mindmeld starts to diverge :/

Even when I stepped back and gave him plenty of room to breathe, cause yeah, you were right that I can be intimidating and that defeats the purpose, he still was highly defensive and closed off. This makes me uncomfortable.

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable is your lack of direction so far this game, unless after sleeping you're still scumreading Shining? (I have to look at that case closer, and will do that while deciding whether or not to keep pushing Hier)

On February 17 2015 04:27 jarjarbinks wrote:


Trf has talked a lot, which I generally perceive as town. When I read this earlier, I agreed with it. When you voted Hier later while saying you weren't really into it, but wouldn't find a counter wagon, it reminded me of this quote again.

Do you have better candidates as of now? Who are you willing to change your vote for? Who is your top scumread?

On February 17 2015 03:11 zlefin wrote:
rso -> I need to go back over the thread to answer that more thoroughly, which I plan to do at some point, not necessarily now though.
It's an impression I've formed that he's at the nexus of several conversations, and that if I knew he was town, I could point to 2-3 people as the likeliest scum in response, and if I knew he was scum, I could point to 1-2 people as the likeliest other scum.
To put another way, I the feeling I get is that if I knew his alignment, it would really strongly narrow down my my suspects, whereas for some other people, a lynch wouldn't help me much.

But again, I really need to go back over everything to make sure my feel has some validity.

On February 17 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:


Psst, is that directed at me or Trfel, JJB?

On February 17 2015 05:06 Tere wrote:
So, the only person you aren't scum reading is ElyAs, based on that, right?

On February 17 2015 04:58 Hier wrote:
As per rsoultin's request I have dove into more detail of my original accusation.

The way scum play is by creating an illusion of healthy contribution, often subsidized by the incestuous demand for other people’s reads. This makes them appear to scum hunt and gives them an overall picture of the scene to know who is safe to make a move against without having suspicion fall on them.

rsoultin provides us with a textbook example of such play.

Prior to me making my first post the highlight of the thread was a set of back and forth comments between rsoultin and Trfel, during which rsoultin called one of Trfel’s comments a null read here, and called him and overall null read here. That was when Trfel and rsoultin were the only people that have begun to play (The Shining hoped in mostly to say hello, his post contentless); what’s the point in insisting to calling someone a null read twice at that stage? In this case “null” serves as a parasitic word that acts as an advert, subconsciously making people believe that its user is making reads and scum hunting, while exerting the least effort.

This tactic is coupled effectively with her tendency to demand immediate reads from people that have just joined the thread, as in the case of jarjarbinks and myself. This would be completely fine if not for her safely hiding behind an array of null reads, including myself, seemingly not to piss anyone off. To immediately establish own neutrality to the players, but aggressively seek others' suspicions is usually a sign of mafia play aimed at identifying potential future bandwagons.

Upon my posting of the Bridge model ElyAs, zlefin, and Trfel have responded negatively. Only jarjarbinks initially thought it was worth the try. Once jarjarbinks has begun to display doubt, rsoultin's stance on me diminished, as if to mirror. Finally, jarjarbinks’s final verdict on the model came in, it being negative. This was a signal to rsoultin, giving her permission to vote against me, as she did almost immediately, accompanied by her infamous phrase and no case made. What’s happening here is something very similar to a tactic used to buy equity; it is beneficial to buy into something early knowing its value will grow. It was beneficial to get on the lynch train early; being the first person to do so guarantees protection from future sheep voting accusations, and with 4 people having shown their discontent with me it was a decently safe assumption that a bandwagon would form.

Having said that, it could very well be possible that rsoultin just isn’t very experienced at the game, like I’ve said here before, and is not watching her actions. As it stands her actions are explainable by either her lack of controlled play or that she is scum. It is unlikely to be anything in between.

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I will be adding The Shining to my probable town list, to join jarjarbinks and Trfel. His actions do not make sense from a mafia perspective. Creating a third lynch candidate with no prior suspicion hovering over zlefin on the grounds of suggesting unlikely scenarios seems to be weak town play.

Finally, like I mentioned in this post, I have been suspecting a scum player to be one of the then inactives, Silverarte and Mimeux. Now that Tere has replaced an inactive player and has begun posting I am more convinced she is, in fact, scum.