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On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere?
She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses.
Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts.
Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin?
Laughable.
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On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.
Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol
Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading.
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On February 17 2015 05:40 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere? She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses. Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts. Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin? Laughable. Jarjarbinks and rsoultin are related. Taking that into account, I see absolutely no problem with a temporary read in that manner.
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On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch.
Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here.
Are you going to answer my question?
Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun?
Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment?
I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote.
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On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting.
Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?
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Yes trfel, I'd like to hear your opinion on jarjar.
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On February 17 2015 05:40 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere? She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses. Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts. Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin? Laughable.
Why are you only picking some of her reasons for her reads and not others? Are you saying that those reasons make JJB and I scum? Because otherwise, I don't understand why you'd point out the spreadsheet and not how she likes JJB's easy manner...or why you'd only mention my explanation of WIFOM to zlefin when there were several other points she was townreading me on.
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Of the two counterwagons, rsoultin is reading clear town to me, atm, and there's enough of a question mark over zlefin in that I think he simply might be approaching things in a different way with his seeking information thing, so I don't want to lynch him over Hier. Plus I always feel terribad about lynching a brand new player Day 1, it just feels wrong to me. But that's not my main consideration.
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On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote.
You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post.
Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak.
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On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right?
Yup lol. It was most likely because I wasn't here to defend myself, but I was also hard-tunneled on Damdred who was town and there was a lot of OMGUS going on lol
The other was on the other site Shining and I play on. There's a player called Mages...he and I are like each other's nemesis xP If we're different alignments it turns into an all-out brawl lol. But yeah, mislynched twice on the same day. It was not a good mafia day for me.
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On February 17 2015 05:44 zlefin wrote:
Yes trfel, I'd like to hear your opinion on jarjar.
Jarjarbinks has always been strange to me. He likes to focus on numbers and purely logical ways to play mafia (which I don't believe is possible, but that's a discussion for another time and place). Especially on Day 1, I'm not used to seeing very much subjective scumhunting from jarjarbinks. Therefore, just because of his progression on the Bridges method and the simulations he ran, I am hesitant to lynch him on Day 1. Other than that, he has shown at least the level of scumhunting that I expect, so I really don't want to lynch him today. In addition, rsoultin is convinced that jarjarbinks is town, so that helps even more.
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On February 17 2015 05:48 Hier wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote. You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post. Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak.
That's called wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
If it makes you feel better, you are making me more confident on my scumread every time you post.
Now are you going to answer my question?
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On February 17 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right? Yup lol. It was most likely because I wasn't here to defend myself, but I was also hard-tunneled on Damdred who was town and there was a lot of OMGUS going on lol The other was on the other site Shining and I play on. There's a player called Mages...he and I are like each other's nemesis xP If we're different alignments it turns into an all-out brawl lol. But yeah, mislynched twice on the same day. It was not a good mafia day for me. On the contrary, that seems to be a rather good day for the mafia.
Out of curiosity, how much time do you spend playing mafia per day, across all sites?
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On February 17 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:40 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:31 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right? What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere? She was reaching with her initial assessments. She needed something to establish convincing player analyses. Saying jarjarbinks is likely a town player because of his spreadsheet? There was no spreadsheet. Similarly I could have said I made a spreadsheet, would I get points? Not to mention I corrected jarjarbinks's math in one of my posts. Calling you a "Known town or towny" because of your explanation of WIFOM for zlefin? Laughable. Why are you only picking some of her reasons for her reads and not others? Are you saying that those reasons make JJB and I scum? Because otherwise, I don't understand why you'd point out the spreadsheet and not how she likes JJB's easy manner...or why you'd only mention my explanation of WIFOM to zlefin when there were several other points she was townreading me on.
You're right, you don't understand the point I made. No, for those reasons jarjarbinks and you could not be considered scum. Tere needed volume to establish her reputation, the quality of her posts, however, was feeble, as seen in the examples I have provided. For that reason, for such a rushed and frail attempt at alignment establishment, I strongly suspect Tere to be scum.
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Nope, you just don't understand the way I do my reads.
A lot is based on tone.
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Yeah, at this point I guess I'm pretty convinced that a Hier lynch is the best that we are going to get. Not ideal, but it will have to do.
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On February 17 2015 05:50 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:48 Hier wrote:On February 17 2015 05:42 Tere wrote:On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch. Ballsacks, I make my view of you pretty damn clear in the post explaining my vote, including specific posts I think are scummy, and have pointed out one of the items I think most problematic again very recently. It's hard not to see that as misrepresentation. I am trying to give you the opportunity to clear yourself but it's not going very well for me here. Are you going to answer my question? Also a bonus question, are you having fun here, it doesn't look like you are having fun? Final RFI - this might be how you are, it's possible. Can you please link your previous games at TL Mafia with alignment? I will go have a read through those filters but right now I'm not feeling a reason to move my vote. You voted for me in one post, and claimed that I could be a town player and that we need to look for counterwagons in your very next post. Sounds to me like even you thought your case against me was weak. That's called wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it makes you feel better, you are making me more confident on my scumread every time you post. Now are you going to answer my question?
In turn, your innocence fades with each of yours. Why don't you convince me that you are town, and I will answer your question (which you'll have to repost).
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On February 17 2015 05:51 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:48 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:43 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:41 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:37 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this? You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it? In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself. Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might. Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet. I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it. Okay, maybe I didn't lol. I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about. You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game. So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch. Unless you still want Shining? I could see him being scum, but I don't want him over Hier at present lol Nah, man, I've been mislynched twice. On the same day, ironically. It happens lol. But I was actually talking to intent. I expressly said how much I've played to Tere earlier, so it's not a secret -shrugs- Course, he could just not be reading. I guess I don't want to lynch The Shining at the moment. While I still believe that the things I brought up look scummy, as I stated at the time, several other parts of his filter look like real scumhunting. Were you actually mislynched twice on the same day??? I have some research to do. One of those was LYLO in Student Mafia V, right? Yup lol. It was most likely because I wasn't here to defend myself, but I was also hard-tunneled on Damdred who was town and there was a lot of OMGUS going on lol The other was on the other site Shining and I play on. There's a player called Mages...he and I are like each other's nemesis xP If we're different alignments it turns into an all-out brawl lol. But yeah, mislynched twice on the same day. It was not a good mafia day for me. On the contrary, that seems to be a rather good day for the mafia. Out of curiosity, how much time do you spend playing mafia per day, across all sites?
Oh, I barely put in effort there usually. 10-15 page games. Here...it just depends on whether I'm working or not/schoolwork/plans etc. More than I probably should, though xP
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On February 17 2015 05:17 Tere wrote:Out of interest, are you still intending to follow your Bridges strategy? (bold mine) Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.
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On February 17 2015 05:56 Tere wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 05:17 Tere wrote:Out of interest, are you still intending to follow your Bridges strategy? (bold mine) On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it. ^
Ok, ladies first. I'll be here when you post.
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