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Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 16 2015 20:13 GMT
#421
Yeah, I did. But I misread this bit as a scum list. My bad. As you were. That's a bit less WTF of you.

"I will be adding The Shining to my probable town list, to join jarjarbinks and Trfel. His actions do not make sense from a mafia perspective. Creating a third lynch candidate with no prior suspicion hovering over zlefin on the grounds of suggesting unlikely scenarios seems to be weak town play."

I don't agree with the rationale, but it's a bit less WTF of you. Still not getting the massive fuzzies out of all that, though.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:13 GMT
#422
EBWOP:
Anything going on in this thread after your initial case, to be precise.

Are you reading, Hier?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 16 2015 20:14 GMT
#423
I'm also not liking the ad hominem on rsoultin. It makes you look petty and isn't helping your case any.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 16 2015 20:16 GMT
#424
I'm back. And freezing cold. And sleepy. And busy. I got maybe an hour or so.

I can't explain at all why Tere seems strange to me. It's completely irrational and illogical. I tried to make that clear. Thus, my request isn't that people lynch Tere, or that people scumread Tere, or even that people refrain from townreading Tere. My request is just to keep in mind that Tere could be mafia, and a very dangerous one, at that. Of course, like all paranoia, don't let it have a detrimental affect on the game, that is the point where paranoia is counterproductive.

I would like to know why Hier is scumreading Tere, though.

As for me making a counterwagon, I don't see anything that is better than lynching Hier at the moment. So while I have doubts about a Hier lynch, it is the best that I see right now.

I'll check again to see if I missed anyone's questions to me.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 16 2015 20:17 GMT
#425
Out of interest, are you still intending to follow your Bridges strategy? (bold mine)

On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 16 2015 20:18 GMT
#426
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:19 GMT
#427
I'm thinking that maybe I'm not making my reads as clear as I should, reading Hier's narrative.

Is anyone else having trouble deciphering where I stand on my posts?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 16 2015 20:21 GMT
#428
I am not aware of having any trouble deciphering that; and looking at a few of the links from Hier's post, it seems clear what your actual stance is.
That said, having periodic summaries of your stance on everyone would increase clarity, and be easier to keep track of.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 16 2015 20:22 GMT
#429
On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
February 16 2015 20:24 GMT
#430
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:26 GMT
#431
On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.


Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 16 2015 20:30 GMT
#432
On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.


Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:31 GMT
#433
On February 17 2015 05:24 Hier wrote:
Now that I've started reading Tere's filter I've noticed that she does not have a case on me at all. She has taken rsoultin's route of "Your post is bad, Hier." No suggestion of intention, or a probable goal I might have as scum. This seems like an easy bandwagon to jump onto, scoring a free townie lynch.


Hier...I'm trying really hard not to tunnel you. If you're saying that Tere is your other scumread and are only now reading her fiter...gah -_- you do realize how bad this looks, don't you? I mean, it doesn't escape you, right?

What were your initial reasons for your scumread on Tere?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 16 2015 20:32 GMT
#434
While I'm inclined to vote Hier at the moment, my concern is that one more vote for Hier will not change the outcome, and will not provide any useful information for anyone. However, IIRC, people have said trying to interpret night kills is WIFOM; so I'm not sure that voting anyone else would provide any useful information either (e.g. if I name someone else and am night-killed)

Any thoughts/arguments/ideas on what would provide the most town information?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:34 GMT
#435
On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.


Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.


Okay, maybe I didn't lol.

I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 16 2015 20:35 GMT
#436
I reread tere's filter, and still have a total null read on it, which is rather irksome; I was going to say frustrating, but I noted that I didn't feel any emotional frustration, so choose to switch to the more minor irksome description.
Hopefully when I review the filters of my other current null reads I'll find something.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Tere
Profile Joined February 2015
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 16 2015 20:36 GMT
#437
On February 17 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote:
I'm thinking that maybe I'm not making my reads as clear as I should, reading Hier's narrative.

Is anyone else having trouble deciphering where I stand on my posts?


I just went through your filter again, and you seem clear enough to me. But I think we do approach the game in quite a similar way, at least that's my gut.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 16 2015 20:37 GMT
#438
On February 17 2015 05:32 zlefin wrote:
While I'm inclined to vote Hier at the moment, my concern is that one more vote for Hier will not change the outcome, and will not provide any useful information for anyone. However, IIRC, people have said trying to interpret night kills is WIFOM; so I'm not sure that voting anyone else would provide any useful information either (e.g. if I name someone else and am night-killed)

Any thoughts/arguments/ideas on what would provide the most town information?


Vote for who you think is scum.

I'm not saying that because you mentioned Hier; I'm saying that because, unless you intend to use your vote as pressure (which isn't advisable this late in the day) if you're voting what you don't believe, it's going to throw me off xP That's one of the main things I use to do voting analysis after a flip. And there really is no reason to yolo vote for someone you don't think is scum.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 16 2015 20:37 GMT
#439
On February 17 2015 05:34 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:18 Tere wrote:
Trfel, since I think you are probably town and having a paranoia moment, how can I reach out to you and help with this?

You could get killed on night 1 so I don't have to worry about it?

In all seriousness, I am (or at least I like to think I am) a better player than to let it have a significant affect on my play. And I am typically suspicious when the general crowd does something quickly (in this case, townreading you). So, don't worry about me, I can take care of myself.

Rsoultin, I don't really think it is necessary to say that you are more experienced than Hier. Someone can make amazing arguments in their first game ever, or horrible arguments in their hundredth game.

Also, while I don't have trouble figuring out where you stand from your posts, I suppose it is possible that someone might.


Read his case, Trfel. It was in response to his disclaimer xP The statement had nothing to do with who was or wasn't right. In fact, please read his entire case closely, since you haven't yet.

I have in fact read it. He's stated that you could just be an inexperienced player at least once before. While I find this notion humorous, I still don't think that you needed to emphasize that you are more experienced than he is. Whatever, I guess it shouldn't be a big deal, and I shouldn't fuss over it.


Okay, maybe I didn't lol.

I don't get where he's coming from as town...but as scum throwing that in there if he somehow does manage to mislynch me xP doubtful unless people just fall for the big shiny case strat...gives him something to go back to and say oops about.
You're a better player than to get mislynched. Don't be silly. If we actually get enough votes to lynch you, you are going to flip scum, or you gave up on the game.

So I guess we're down to Hier or zlefin? And I really don't like a zlefin lynch.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 16 2015 20:39 GMT
#440
I got maybe a half hour left tops. Any questions? Anyone want me to do something?
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