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Today is a boring day.
##Vote Vivax
On January 09 2015 17:04 DarthPunk wrote:
I already told you why I think he is town.
I wouldn't mind lynching glowingbear actually he looks pretty scummy.
GB is likely town due to Palmar's case. It made a lot of sense and he either believes in it as town or he knows he's right if he's scum.
+ Show Spoiler [case] +On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town
I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet.
First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai.
Brb Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet. On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy. what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non? Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this. just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~ On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it. @Eden Explain. sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know? By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie. is the bolded TMI?  He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing. Some more scum points Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.
The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through. Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk). Slight town points. GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've read until page eighteen yet, and I don't like:
Eden
Sicklucker
Ritoky
Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible. Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually want to lynch half of the players list Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies. *** Actually I'm just stopping here. I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me. He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me
ONE REASON
For why I'm mafia.
ONE REASON. Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc. Imma not lynch GB.
On January 09 2015 21:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Lazer could you address Damdred's case? On January 09 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:
I think Lazer is scum, here is my case repeated on him
Day 1 he is guilty of the same things he goes hard after chy because of thread sentiment. He moves his target around using thread sentimen
He misrepresents things constantly in the thread and back tracks constantly
D2 he hard defends a push to lynch Superbia (known mafia now)
He states d3 that he thinks ritoky is the cop and won't lycn an un cc'd cop but his vote is on him anyway
He states during the day that Super looks bad but shouldn't be the lynch.
Right before he leaves he parks his vote on Superbia, with his main scum read whos been vocal about wanting a super bia lynch.
I think his vote looks more like a bus and hes mafia to me. I've adressed all points allready I think but I'll try to summarize very fast. - Its nice that I, in the first sentence, am attacked for being tunnely and in the next am accused of moving my target around. I agree with that my push against Chyz was stupid but I fail to see how it is indicative of me being scum. - I misrepresennt things all the time. Take this for what you want. If you really want to push this point read some of my other games I guess. English is not my mother tongue so sometimes I just suck a bit a understanding stuff in the thread. TBH I'd say scum is more likely NOT to misrepresent things, but yhea, I'm a bit biased here : D. - I agree (that me defending Superbia in favour of a geript lynch that is) this makes me look scummy as shit. All I can say is that townies sometimes are wrong. - I don't understand this argument? Its true I kept my vote on ritoky for a while. But what matters is where it ends up, no? I was very clear about that I wanted to not lynch ritoky if he wasn't counterclaimed. - Yes, I did say Super looked bad. I never said I was super hard against his lynch. Just that I thought Ritoky was a better lynch. - I have answered this 1000 times. My vote swap is 100% justified if you just read my filter.
I think Damdred is implying on the first point that you're going hard after Chyz for arguments that could be used to describe your own play.
Point on Ritoky vote: I guess, it doesn't make sense that you wouldn't unvote there if you didn't believe Ritoky was the cop but I view it as a minor point anyway.
You seem to be pretty much agreeing with the rest. You did explain your Superbia vote but the way you went about it felt forced and looked to be coming more from a scum perspective of "oh I want to end up on the right lynch".
On January 09 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 18:53 Vivax wrote:
I'll ignore my SL/marv/Robik stuff for now.
Let's lynch Lazer!
##Vote Lazermonkey Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 19:00 Vivax wrote:
I could also lynch ritoky for that stuff he did at start of D1. Just came super off to me how he entered the thread with that question when I reread it yesterday, it looked like he was looking for any reason to scumread somebody, and don't tell me that's what townies do as some flipped townies (geript, Eden) there were still in the phase of bantering. RItoky's posts were just odd. He tried to scumread DrH for not scumreading Damdred for a scumclaim joke and did so in a very timid way. Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote:
Actually I'll vote for him instead of LM now that I recalled all that. Voted LM cause I read GBs stuff on Super and Super'S argument on LM was actually good and made me remember how LM also kept posting wrong information on me on two occasions when people wanted to lynch me before realizing he was saying something wrong cause he misread.
##Unvote
##Vote Ritoky
Anyway these two dudes are scum. All my other scumreads now I'm ignoring cause nobody wants to lynch them anyway. Will have to think again about Palmar as marv is currently the only guy on the ritoky wagon, but it still bugs me as hell he's alive D3 and he didn't lead a lynch on scum and nobody except Palmar and me called him scum. Read this if you think I'm scum.
This does make your reads look more fluid than I gave you credit for. Gonna have to re-eval stuff.
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On January 10 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote:
If SL is town then batsnacks wagon was pure town
Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1
Which means Chyz is town
On January 10 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 11:31 DarthPunk wrote:On January 10 2015 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
When I was completely under the radar, I've posted areas that everybody ignored. I've as meddle attention because I've already got few posts.
What is my scum motivation to draw attention to me when I already contributed and still got under the radar? Because not posting anything has an expiry date. You needed to do SOMETHING in order to make yourself at least appear to be somewhat useful, Flying under the radar is not doing nothing at all. Flying under the radar is doing just enough to not be a target whilst not actually being productive. This definition applies to you perfectly, because A.) you were not a target really at all and B.) you were not being productive really at all. Until I called you out you were actually flying under the radar perfectly. The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write. I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so.
I've being scumreading them since the beginning.I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town? The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum.
On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline.
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Somehow GB is scumreading me whilst stating everyone who voted on Batsnacks "if SL is town".
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That needs another is town at the end.
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On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced?
Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while.
I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way.
You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.
How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop.
Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me.
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Also Sicklucker please stop tunneling Vivax, unfortunately he's probably town. In storm he had 7 pages in 9 ingame days. In Normal Mini Mafia he had 5 pages in 14 days. His town games have had far higher activity. That alone is probably enough to clear him.
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^Storm/Normal were his scumgames.
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On January 11 2015 10:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Sicklucker please stop tunneling Vivax, unfortunately he's probably town. In storm he had 7 pages in 9 ingame days. In Normal Mini Mafia he had 5 pages in 14 days. His town games have had far higher activity. That alone is probably enough to clear him. This actually tells you how good I can be at scum if it wasn't for me being lazy since I have nothing to solve.
If you upped your activity as scum no one would be able to tell your games apart because as neither alignment do you make any sense.
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So since Vivax isn't scum that makes my list:
LIST TIME, because it's the cool thing to do.
Town
Me, myself and I
SL
Kelsier
TheChez
Leaning Town
Vivax
Dr. H
Marvellosity
???
Damdred
Glowingbear
Leaning Scum
Lazermonkey
Palmar
Scum
ritoky
The problem here is that Lazermonkey doesn't make sense to be scum with Damdred and Glowingbear doesn't make sense to be scum with Palmar which means I'm either wrong on one of those associations or one of my townreads is scum.
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On January 11 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 11 2015 10:03 Vivax wrote:On January 11 2015 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Sicklucker please stop tunneling Vivax, unfortunately he's probably town. In storm he had 7 pages in 9 ingame days. In Normal Mini Mafia he had 5 pages in 14 days. His town games have had far higher activity. That alone is probably enough to clear him. This actually tells you how good I can be at scum if it wasn't for me being lazy since I have nothing to solve. If you upped your activity as scum no one would be able to tell your games apart because as neither alignment do you make any sense. I'm just misunderstood. Like all geniuses.
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On January 11 2015 10:11 Vivax wrote:
Artanis might be scum just for saying "lean town" and not "supertown" about me.
Don't push your luck mister.
I want an explanation from GB about what I posted initially though. Vivax what do you think about GB's statements? It was my first post back in the thread.
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On January 11 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
Like heres a list of people who have me as there top top
Artanis
robik
jat
marv
Like if im mafia here just give me the win those are hard people to fool. Lets find mafia
If you're mafia this game I'm going to the nominations thread and nominate you for best scumplay this decade.
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It's a good thing that statement wasn't ironic and I didn't make it because I was tired of thinking about his alignment or anything.
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Vivax can you do something useful like comment on the point I made on GB?
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I'll get to it once I finish this arena run. I want to take a closer look at Marv anyway.
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On January 11 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Why aren't you scumreading me, Artanis?
Whoever builds a scum team with me LM and palmar is stupid.
Sorry. It had to be said.
Answer my point first. Why did you say everyone on Bats has to be town if SL is town when you were scumreading me?
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On January 11 2015 09:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
thinking about it, i really dislike how he self-characterised his play as "bad" this game, like he said he was having a bad game. He's not having a bad game, he's having a game where he's not tried to play, the two aren't the same.
Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Wasn't he who said on D2 something like "Damdred is either scum or he's the cop".
D3 he says if the CCer to ritoky is Damdred we lynch him ---- ignores it Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
I know what you mean there, it's just bs.
It's very difficult to hard scumread Palmar because essentially if he's mafia he's mafia because he has no impetus to play the game, he's disconnected from what's going on, he pushes me and drops off it later, etc. etc.
the issue is that there's a non-negligible possibility Palmar does that as town too. Why doesn't marv mention that he disliked Palmar for saying he was bad instead of outright not playing properly when trying to give an opinion?
What I dislike more about Marv here is that he's essentially saying he doesn't know how to read Palmar when he's been pretty clear to me in the past that a Town Palmar is usually either a 0 or 10 whereas a scumpalmar is a 5-7 in terms of effort.
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I guess the Palmar/Marv thing should sort itself out D4 though as we begin the push to determine their alignments. Palmar's recent posts have just been about how Marv'll clear him once he gets the defense going. He also had this case on Damdred that was okayish but based on only a small part of Damdred's filter and I'm curious where he stands now. He had Vivax in his scumteam and I want to know what those reasons were and if they've changed as well.
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Damdred:
On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced? Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while. Show nested quote +I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way. You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.Show nested quote +How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop. Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me.
pls respond
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On January 11 2015 11:55 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 11:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Damdred: On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced? Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while. I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way. You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop. Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me. pls respond LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted.
Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly?
BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously).
I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that?
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On January 11 2015 12:08 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz his is the post i'm talking about...however i was looking at the voting thread and he never actually voted chyz...so maybe that point isn't as important anymore if at all
Holy ninja batman.
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