On January 06 2015 07:22 IAmRobik wrote: WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO SAD THAT I'M TOWN!?!??
You should probably reflect on that as a person.
I've been on my best behavior this game. Besides superbia or sicklucker who got offended by me calling one of his posts/arguments dumb, I haven't done a single thing, besides calling people clowns and poop poop.
On January 06 2015 01:04 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy you look like mafai. I can't exactly say why. I have this feeling.
Palmar is mafia JAT could be, gotta work on him.
Sicklucker reasoning to rescind is bad. To me, he just saw the chance of claiming being cop when Robik pointed out he could be the cop when he said "who would you check?". Which is stupid but whatever. I disagree with marv, it's not a suicidal play as mafia exactly because you're reading it as too suicidal to be mafia, therefore, town. I don't thing his claiming and rescind should be taken in account to read him as either alignment.
KelsierSC night push on the cop at night is bad. But he does look like he is trying to figure out the game for himself which makes me have a slight townread on him.
As hard as it is to me to say this, Robik looks townie to me. I can't really say why, also. His mafia play looked more underwhelming on Guilty Mini Mafia.
I don't like how GB basically calls Damdred scummy and Robik towny based on a feeling. Nor the ignoring of the cop claim. I've heard Geript say that he's always got pretty superficial arguments but ugh.
Marv 17 page filter before D3. Probably town.
Sicklucker is bad at posting image links.
This Marv/Palmar thing about what he'd do/wouldn't do is hard to comment on. I don't know if Scum!Palmar would really stress how he's 100% certain about a read. The scum!Palmar I've seen is more complacent. It's such a weird argument to make if he were scum.
On January 06 2015 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: No JAT. I'm doing it because, for the reasons I've brought from you, I think you're scum.
Mafia has no motivation to scumread a strong player. They just shoot them at night. Simply as this.
They have every motivation to do so if they think it makes them be townread like you obviously do.
I was already townread before coming to the thread against people. I could keep the lurkage and survive days over. I'm not lurking anymore because finally I have a stable internect connection at home.
If you really can't see this as obvious town, nothing will.
This post from GB feels kinda towny in its brashness though. It seems I like GB's posts where he doesn't scumhunt more than where he does. This is problematic.
On January 06 2015 01:34 Palmar wrote: [quote] See you are 100% correct. I have absolutely no problem lynching you when I think you're mafia. And you also know I'm completely useless when trying to lynch you when I'm mafia, as literally anyone can see if they go back and read world heavyweight.
The problem is, as I've already explained this game, that I know you want to play a game of mafia where you are town and don't do much, just to break your meta. Last game we played where I got you on day 1 you actually made a very clumsy move early in the game with the "bitch" post.
Now, the important part here is your sentence
"you're usually not scared to lynch me". The simple fact that you said this must mean that you are mafia. The reason is that you absolutely 100% know that I am not scared of lynching you right now. The reason I haven't pushed it is because it took me 2 days to get my preferred lynch in AND because you simply haven't fucked up. I can only know you're mafia when something fits perfectly.
Saying I'm scared is your version of slowplaying a suspicion on me, something you wouldn't do if you were actually town. If you were town, you'd basically have decided my alignment now. You'd have been certain since day 1 that I am incapable of doing what I've done this game as town. There's so many of the random tells that I know about myself in my town play this game that you would know.
You just said something I KNOW you don't believe. You don't believe I'm scared of lynching you. There is no fucking way you misunderstood me consulting Robik and figuring out his opinion (which tbh, has more to do with HIM than you), as some sort of a weak attempt to gather support for a lynch on you.
Holy shit, this may be the best case I've ever made.
The problem is, you're not incapable of doing what you've done this game as mafia. The reason I townread you on d1 only works for me, in that you based your read on me on conditional reads compared to yours, which I thought would be difficult for you to pull off as mafia.
also, come off it. Robik is not the first person you've asked about lynching me this game without a followup behind it.
tldr: lol
Yes, asking people if they want to lynch you is a fine way of figuring out things about THEM, not about YOU.
And again, I probably should've left out the part about you having long decided my alignment, scum or town, because that's not the core.
The core is you don't believe that I am scared to try to lynch you at that point.
I don';t believe this. How do you figure out anything about them without trying to figure me out?
the last 2 games you yolo-challenged me to a duel d1, and pushed my lynch straight away d1. This game you're sitting in the background casually asking people about it.
You've absolutely been scared to push me this game.
Oh god. Is it me or does this post really heavily imply that marv is scum? >_>
wat? are those not the last 2 times Palmar pushed me as town?
Yes, when you were scum.
duh. he's not been town in other games with me since those games
hm
you're being silly.
the point is this: when Palmar has been town, he's treated me in x way (and yes i was mafia in those two games, dem's how the dice rolled) here he is treating me in a completely different way (even though he has called me mafia all game)
Do you feel that even after he called you scum for 100% he's still scared to lynch you? Seems pretty clear to me.
On January 06 2015 02:02 IAmRobik wrote: If medic isn't on kelsier tonight, you're getting your balls ripped off
I think you should be on Kelsier tonight bb. Maybe invite Marv too, I'm sure he's into that kinda thing.
I heard Vivax brought up and I don't think I've seen him tonight. It is pretty convenient that he's disappeared when the action went off him. His D2 did seem pretty decent though so we'll see how D3 goes.
On January 06 2015 02:20 IAmRobik wrote: Still waiting for your thought dump marv....it's been 3 pages since your silly fight with plammmar ended
my only important thoughts are who we should lynch.
no. who you think is town is also important. I'm gonna kill you tonight. Leave a legacy
People town should never lynch: jat DrH sl
People town should have to have amazing reasons to lynch because i really think they are town: Artanis Kelsier
Pretty decent list.
Kelsier, in your Lazer case you mention him waffling on Vivax a lot. Do you think he's a better lynch than Vivax?
On January 06 2015 03:03 IAmRobik wrote: There's like a 90% chance I lead a lynch on VE tomorrow since his predecessor was mafia and replaced out before of it
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He was also fearless in his reads. When faced by adversaries, he refused to give in and spread his knowledge amongst all those who wished to listen. Unfortunately, the brightest flames burn out the quickest. JAT's flame has been extinguished, but the memoires of his fire will continue to burn inside all of us.
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On December 31 2014 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 31 2014 09:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A bright person once said "Keep it simple, stupid." This is a normal game. Let's not add in more variables like vig RNGs and stuff like that, please.
On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody.
First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia
The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.
On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.
dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.
Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.
Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?
On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.
##VOTE: TheChyz
This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious
This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.
On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.
1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.
I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!
I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.
On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?
With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.
1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it
Second: I think the most damning.
On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz
On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.
Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?
Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey
This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone
Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.
##Vote: TheChyz
Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.
On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?
I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.
I was scum that game.
Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.
" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."
First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?
On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.
By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.
Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.
On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?
Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.
geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.
I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.
He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.
A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.
Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?
On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.
Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.
8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?
On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.
You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.
Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
##Vote geript
His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion.
Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this
I believe in the philosophy that if you can't explain a scumread in a few sentences it's not a good scumread. I think Syllogism once said something in that sense. Palmar did that quite well. I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read.
On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so.
On January 03 2015 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually JAT, I am curious what you thought what became more scummy about Geript. His vote on Vivax felt neutral because I just couldn't find a motivation for it, town or scum, and the posts he made closely leading up to the lynch I couldn't place in a mafia mindset.
Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it.
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr
Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.
I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
On January 06 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: actually that's right, i went back to check, the votecount just before he said that was geript - vivax 5-5
then according to eye-witnesses robik was spotted in a dingy bar called Video Mafia and he didn't post from that point till basically deadline, in between jat switched to super etc
Meh, I guess that makes sense : (
It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%.
A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution. ##Vote Superbia
Took you long enough to claim town robik, but I'm glad you did.
Anyway, we should really lynch Superbia today. I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself.
On January 05 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote: I don't know about either wagon at the moment.
explain why
I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game.
Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh.
The only decent thing he did was about Robik's read on him changing but since Robik seems to have claimed town that doesn't help him very much anymore.
Also, outstanding questions: Marv: Do you feel that even after Palmar called you scum for 100% he's still scared to lynch you? Seems pretty clear to me. Kelsier: In your Lazer case you mention him (Lazer) waffling on Vivax a lot. Do you think he's a better lynch than Vivax? Why do you still think Marv is scum?
Also to everyone: Opinions on a Superbia lynch please.
Can I see another's woe, And not be in sorrow too? Can I see another's grief, And not seek for kind relief?
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On December 31 2014 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On December 31 2014 09:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A bright person once said "Keep it simple, stupid." This is a normal game. Let's not add in more variables like vig RNGs and stuff like that, please.
On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody.
First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler +
On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia
The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.
On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.
dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.
Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.
Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?
On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.
##VOTE: TheChyz
This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious
This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.
On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.
1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.
I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!
I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.
On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?
With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.
1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it
Second: I think the most damning.
On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz
On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.
Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?
Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.
I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey
This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone
Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all.
Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.
@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.
Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.
##Vote: TheChyz
Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.
On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?
I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.
I was scum that game.
Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.
" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."
First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?
On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.
By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.
Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.
On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?
Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.
geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.
I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.
He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.
A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.
Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?
On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.
Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.
8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?
On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica
I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.
You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.
Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
##Vote geript
His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion.
Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this
I believe in the philosophy that if you can't explain a scumread in a few sentences it's not a good scumread. I think Syllogism once said something in that sense. Palmar did that quite well. I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read.
On January 02 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And I do think people would've listened had you attempted to make an impact on the game. It just feels like you haven't tried to do so.
On January 03 2015 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually JAT, I am curious what you thought what became more scummy about Geript. His vote on Vivax felt neutral because I just couldn't find a motivation for it, town or scum, and the posts he made closely leading up to the lynch I couldn't place in a mafia mindset.
Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it.
On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote: Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr
Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.
I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
On January 06 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: actually that's right, i went back to check, the votecount just before he said that was geript - vivax 5-5
then according to eye-witnesses robik was spotted in a dingy bar called Video Mafia and he didn't post from that point till basically deadline, in between jat switched to super etc
Meh, I guess that makes sense : (
It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%.
A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution. ##Vote Superbia
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On January 07 2015 06:04 IAmRobik wrote: who is mafia besides superbia? Do you think sicklucker is town? if so, do you think there's any way that vivax is town?
I haven't looked at associations but I guess something like Palmar/GB/Vivax/Lazer. I guess SL can be scum if he's not actually the cop, I'm not sure. Vivax could be town but it's pretty unlikely because there's a decent amount of people I think are pretty town.
On January 07 2015 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really can't imagine a scumteam without Superbia in it. He's said some really weird stuff like doing things not to get NKed N1, his random abrasiveness out of nowhere, his scumread on SL that surpassed any cop claim. He also somehow didn't have a read on Vivax and barely on Geript, the main two wagons of the day other than himself.
On January 05 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote: I don't know about either wagon at the moment.
explain why
I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game.
Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh.
The only decent thing he did was about Robik's read on him changing but since Robik seems to have claimed town that doesn't help him very much anymore.
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