EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 04 2014 22:51 GlowingBear wrote: Sigh... In entering a hiatus... Don't make me in because I want to play with legends I've never played with ![[image loading]](http://abbyhasissues.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/oz.gif) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i1.wp.com/listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/santasslay.jpg) I hope Bad Santa makes a return. We haven't seen him in years. Somebody go call bum. | ||
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On December 09 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: Wait, did Ritoky just call me top town? Either hell froze over, or Ritoky is mafia XD I'm not sure if this heuristic is valid, but I always look for the people who show signs of guilt after a town read. She does this a couple more times later on when people defend her. I'd be willing to jump on her for an early vote. As much as a like slam, I'm probably going to be skipping most of his posts. I'm passing the buck to somebody else for him -_- templar amuses me. I have a policy not to lynch players that amuse me on day one (and usually days two through five, but don't tell anyone about my weakness). I saw the "signs of guilt" thing here with him too, but policy overrides that. Glowingbear seems to think that I am Beetlejuice. He is mistaken. You must state my name at least six times for me to appear. To be safe, better go with ten. Damdred's posts are very matter of fact. I like that. On December 09 2014 11:48 sicklucker wrote: But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. On December 09 2014 11:51 sicklucker wrote: Anyway I should be able to confirm myself as town by telling you who ill send a present to if your all dumb enough to vote me. On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote: At the beginning of the game, three players will receive christmas presents. Before the end of day 1 they will have to decide to whom they pass those presents. During the following night the recipients of the gifts can choose to open the presents, or pass them on for the next day. One present is from the Mass Murderer. It will kill whoever opens it. One present is from Santa. It will allow the recipient to perform a single role check the next night One present is from Arnold. It will allow the recipient to perform a night kill the next night. Err so I'm assuming that mafia will pick this up anyways considering they have the mass murderer so I'll call you out on this. You're either lying (which is bad), the mass murderer and slipped, or one of the town power roles that slipped. Clearly the only logical response for you to claim here is that you were lying, so could you explain why? | ||
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Doesn't make a ton of sense for him to claim present and for his gift to instantly kill someone I suppose so he might actually be town. Hmm | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:11 Holyflare wrote: (he never said his present would kill anyone kita) He claims that his joy role gives out presents. OP states that joy role does not, hence the lie. I'm asking if its one of those silly town lies that he thinks is doing good or if he has the mafia's present and is trying to benefit from the cred of a fake claim. | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Is there something saying that presents aren't random and that mafia knows which present they get? I've read it over again and again and I think it's random. Well I interpreted it as the present from the mass murderer would be given out by the mass murderer, but perhaps I'm wrong. | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:19 sicklucker wrote: Cant I simply have not read one line in a very long op? yep On December 09 2014 12:20 Holyflare wrote: I don't think mafia would gain anything at all by outing that they have a present?? So yes towny. Can you sort of go into more detail about bunnies plz because you kind of talk about points that aren't the points people are scum reading her for "You should be glad that I was rerolled into the game! You know why? Because I am amazing, and will lead town to an unbeatable victory!" "prob won't be back on again until the morning, so let's make some progress!" In her intro post, she has lines like these that come off as forced. They don't totally come off as natural conversation. The guilty thing is something that I've seen a fair amount of times where a scum player sees other players call them town and they react weirdly to it by pointing it out. Like this here when people argue against your statement: "thank you for that, because it's absolutely true and makes sense." Her scum list is the guy that she said was easy to jump on, me for posting hi, and fecal for (?) I kinda see what you are saying with the froggy post, but at the same time I agree he might actually be an easy target. Suppose scum can identify easy targets as well though. Overall probably not a really strong scum read, but the most scummy four hours into the game | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:31 LightningStrike wrote: I been reading this game and other games because like half the people I not played with before and also I am town this game I will role claim if I have to. No, that won't be necessary. My first read through I had LightningStrike as a townie who might be an easy target for mafia to jump on. Content wasn't great, but seemed to mean well. Need to take a look at the people giving him a hard time to see if their posts are justified or taking advantage of the situation. kush is actively trolling. Leaning scum based on the fact that he isn't even attempting to read, but wouldn't mind lynching him regardless of what he may flip. On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Holy Moses. I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim? This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game. Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb. This is the sort of post I expect from a mafia who simply divides the game into different "wagon camps" consisting of different players and then works off that instead of genuinely working off arguments and reads. When he has the information, he doesn't know what to do with it in order to start looking townie. So his best bet is to start a discussion about it with some player he deems influential, and then post some random setup related stuff. Does this part seem mafiaish to you? "but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata." What makes it seem like he is trying to sheep town leaders as mafia, rather than trying to identify townies and listen to what they have to say? I kinda found myself thinking that Xata was making a fair amount of sense would be someone to listen to. Not so sure about koshi as he has the content but not sure about motives yet, but does that and the role count talk really seem scummy to you? I had the opposite reaction after reading the post. rsoultin seems to decide Obi would be a good vote and then goes back to find reasons why afterwords. Maybe he hadn't had a time to express himself in the thread yet, but that's the impression that I got. fecal and bat I need to spend some time looking at. | ||
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I can't seem to find the quote myself though. Thought it was in the Doctor Who 2 quicktopic but apparently not. | ||
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On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote: Already explained why I found it scummy. And I don't know what makes you think he's trying to sheep town "leaders", you don't know if Koshi and Xata are town yet, or are not supposed to. It doesn't matter whether or not koshi or Xata are town. It matters whether he is looking for people that seem town that make sense because he is town or if he is looking for influential people like you mention below because he is mafia. On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote: Plus, what he's doing is not sheeping, it's trying to figure out why his 27nb scumread doesn't align with Xata and Koshi. So why is a mafia tube trying to figure out why his scumread doesn't align with those players? Wouldn't his scum read be fake to begin with? On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote: My main point is his strange focus on "who is scumreading whom" rather than "why is this person supposed to be scum". mmk | ||
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On December 10 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote: Most people townread others for having the same ideas as themselves. Ritoky scumreads fecal for it. Ritoky, it seems like you are forcing your Fecal read. Exaggerating things. Your case reads so melodramatic. ^ Agreed. | ||
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However, despite the fact that I'm not sold with Ritoky's case, after reading fecal's filter I could see him being mafia. Very few strong stances about things that I find relevant. | ||
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On December 10 2014 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote: Is it scum, though? I /obsed this thread because I knew I wouldn't be happy with certain roles but was told it would be a low content game and not to worry about lurking. Well if you can't keep up with the thread, can you read and give reads on individual filters that shouldn't be more than a few pages long? Really not sure who your scum reads are at all. If you want individual names, pick some people from rsoultin, froggy, Obi, batsnacks, ritoky, LoneMeow, Tube? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also trying to understand why people are scumreading NB. I have no idea. Well I think a fair amount of people have shared why they are scumreading NB so you should have an idea what they are thinking. If you have an opposing view, I would think you would want to explain what makes you think she is town or what others are misinterpreting considering she has such a large vote count half way through the cycle. | ||
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On December 10 2014 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesack, null/town?: I'm not sure how I feel about a brand new player having such elaborate reads and checking other threads. On the one hand it's towny that he's trying so hard but on the other, I don't know if he's a natural tryhard or is getting a lot of help from a scum QT. If I had to read him without paranoia, he is town just because I'd never take notes as scum and I love playing scum. On December 09 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote: I looked GB past games and he seemed to town aligned this game and Slam isn't posting stuff like he did when he was scum in the Titanic Game. On December 09 2014 17:46 Fecalfeast wrote: Yeah LS is scummy as heck It seems like the reasoning that leads you to believe tube is probably town isn't taken into account when evaluating LS. Why does it apply in one case, but not the other? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote: SILENCE EVERYBODY, THIS POST IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT. HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:57 rsoultin wrote: I am Rasputin. I also answer to RS, putin, rsoul, what have you. Because this was eluded to by I forget who...the reasons for voting OWS were obvious in my interactions with OWS, but I do not expect people to actually pay that close attention (as y'all have clearly now demonstrated) so put it all in a nice neat post to see if that would generate any discussion. Which it has to some small extent. LS is new and learning. My prods at him were to get him to post more and post on things other than just his initial list. If vets want to rely on meta, more power to you, you might actually know what you're talking about (even if I can't trust those of you I've never played with before on others I haven't played with before) however LS using meta makes no sense. That said, he probably is trying to learn from the vets. I see no reason to scumlist him at this time and agree that being fine with tube and not with LS is contradictory. Spending pages and pages reiterating the same weak points irritates. Thus the dismissal of 27NB and HTS. 27NB has done little in her newest posts either, however...though she has given some reads so I will wait to see when her reading catches up to her posts. Also... Hinting I'm scummy, punk? Tell me what you really think xP I grabbed a list of people that most people don't seem to have a strong read about. What I think is that you should be more concerned about other things than why you name might show up on a list  | ||
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On December 10 2014 10:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, So I like FF post about Tubesack. But Im not sure how being a brand new player is alignment indicative. So what if he is elaborate? Has he played elsewhere? etc. Idk. just a weird fucking read. I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid. I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. | ||
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On December 10 2014 11:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you guys stop calling me mafia because I work during the day? I mean really. ^ Found one Disgruntled Christmas Worker | ||
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This also seems like it would fit under the category of stuff mafia say: "I sure hope that Mafia didn't somehow find the Scrooge because of this though" On December 09 2014 22:55 Xatalos wrote: I really hope you're trolling. Scrooge is a town power role. This one too. Of course he is trolling, does he really need to show concern here? The vote on bunnies seems like it is overexplained so there might be merit here for a scum xatalos. At any rate we really shouldn't have a one sided day one lynch so this might be a good option as any. | ||
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On December 10 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote: Firstly people who are scum reading me for my scrooge comment , specifically viven and rasputin, you don't realise I never actually noticed a hole in the set up but then retracted it is just a reaction test. I'm confused what you are saying here. Are you saying that you had a plan to abuse the setup and then realized it wouldn't work or Are you saying that you asked for the claim to see how people would react and then later changed your mind and dropped it | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:21 Half the Sky wrote: If he's scum, he's trying to get the other ghosts, if any, onto him for N1 to delay them getting to the real Scrooge. I'm thinking this through and that's the only other reasoning that makes sense to me. HS earlier on, you eventually conclude that kush is likely scum based on a post from ritoky about his vote/unhelpful posts. However, you also state the the only reasoning that makes sense for a scum kush claiming Scrooge is to attract ghosts. Do you honestly believe that's his plan? | ||
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On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm going to have to look more into to get a better read on where Kelsier's mind is at. As of now, I'd prob lynch Kelsier. On December 10 2014 09:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: Will give you some updated reads soon. It's taking longer to read than I thought. On December 10 2014 09:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, So I think I'm just going to go through filters. On December 10 2014 09:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'll reread your filter, but I as of now, I still don't like you. #Unvote: Ritoky #Vote: KelsierSC On December 10 2014 09:57 27ninjabunnies wrote: The only one I currently have on my "Scum/people to look at list" is Kelsier On December 10 2014 10:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, So I'm pretty muchcaught up. I have nothing really to discuss about past pages Umm so in a 90 minute period, you mention five different times how you need to spend time reading Kelsier because he is your number on scum suspect. Now you that claim to have caught up, did you forget about him or....? | ||
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On December 11 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't like this post. No conclusion makes me a sad panda. You're breaking my heart, kita. No conclusion? I'm voting for bunnies and then pointing out that she fails to comment about her only scum read after promising multiple times. | ||
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On December 10 2014 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can someone explain the nb votes to me like I'm dumb? I feel like I missed something but I don't know what that is. I can't remember the points against her being spectacular in the first place. Even if you ignore the cases against her and just read her filter, what do you think? On December 10 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also trying to understand why people are scumreading NB. I have no idea. Do you really care if people lynch her anyways? It doesn't seem like it. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:32 KelsierSC wrote: ahh post count....I think FF is also really scummy and I want more people to comment on my read of him. I tend to agree that FF is likely mafia. He moves off bunnies because of claim onto ritoky. bunnies admits she wasn't claiming, yet FF doesn't seem to find her interesting anymore. He admits his current vote on ritoky was just an attempt to get a reaction from him, but that leaves him with no actual mafia suspects. He makes that response post about templar, but I'm left wondering if he wants us to lynch templar for it or if he's just whining about how templar posts. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:37 Holyflare wrote: you have no reason to town read her... claiming a role is something scum loves to do to survive as that's their main goal, she's been bandwagoned the entire day by multiple people all day and arguably has the MOST information on her flip but you're telling us not to lynch her because she doesn't give us any info on a flip and she has claimed a role??? Are we at the point where we are ready to issue her an ultimatum to claim or do we give it 1-2 more hours. I certainly don't want her showing up 5 minutes before the lynch and claiming that she is Arnold or something. I'm not saying that we listen to her claim and it suddenly makes her town, but if she is going to go around saying that she might "claim to save herself" then I don't see the point of keeping quiet with so many votes on her with a few hours left. I'd rather digest what she has to say now. | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm either gonna sheep back onto 27 or omgus vote you(kelly) not sure which. So you don't want to lynch templar? | ||
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On December 11 2014 04:46 Holyflare wrote: probably pretty bad that I haven't actually read ff yet then  Do you have a few minutes now to tell us what you think? Filter isn't very large. | ||
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On December 11 2014 07:09 batsnacks wrote: This was Trfel when he was town: What are you saying here? I think it's pretty clear that he hasn't read the thread so we hope that he will give an honest attempt to catch up. The lack of large analysis posts that you quoted don't say anything if he hasn't posted at all. | ||
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Not that it makes much difference, but I guess I'll stick with bunnies. Will re-examine fecal and a few others after flip. | ||
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Hope you start feeling better soon Damdred. | ||
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Wouldn't be upset to see kush go either I suppose, though I can't really speak much to his alignment. Just finished re-reading the thread. I gotta go work for a couple hours and then I'll post after reading individual filters. | ||
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Leaning Mafia: Fecalfeast
Oatsmaster
ritoky
NULL: Koshi
ObiWanShinobi
The_Templar
GlowingBear
To be continued: I've run out of time and need to get this post in before the deadline. I don't want to put them down as null since I may develop a town/mafia read after looking closer at their filters. If I survive the night, I'll finish up with these during day two. Tubesock KelsierSC Xatalos liancourt batsnacks Half the Sky froggynoddy Alakaslam Leaning Town: Not really going to spend time justifying any of these. Some of these reads are stronger than others. Damdred LoneMeow LightningStrike sicklucker Holyflare Vivax rsoultin Trfel (lol I should probably be putting him under NULL) Why did you sign up for this game category: kushm4sta
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On January 10 2012 04:28 Qatol wrote: Good? I doubt there will be much debate on this; it's a matter of consistency more than anything else. Not that it was a huge deal this game, but this is the second game in a row that this has been brought up. I know Palmar clarified things in the vote count, but that kinda conflicts with how the deadlines work in the model OP, so in the future I think we should try to stick to accepting votes up to and including the time listed in the OP to avoid confusion. The ghosts interaction with the Scrooge role was cool. It's too bad that it never got to be used. I liked the present idea too though I suppose there were issues with confirming players based on their use of the role. For instance, a mafia player who didn't want to risk getting blown up was punished for receiving a present. Might work better in a closed setup though with less confirmed information. Overall, there seemed to be way too many claims early on in the game regarding players roles and who received presents, especially in setups with role specific vig's and roleblockers. Even if you are safe from these vig's, you're narrowing down the pool for others to get targeted with a claim. I get what you were trying to do with the single mason, but I'm not sure that trying to teach town a lesson about not to solve the game with roles was worth the risk of a possible mafia fake claiming the mason partner, not geting counter-claimed, and have a 300 page thread go to waste over a misunderstanding of the setup. | ||
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