EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 9
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On December 15 2014 04:18 Vivax wrote: That's bullshit though, you mention arguments for Kelsier being town on multiple occasions, there is no evidence that all your arguments are based on PoE regarding Tube and ritoky. You townread him for the trap play since D1, keep that argument all throughout D2, only to throw it away when it looks like he's getting lynched. Yeah, his early plays (specifically the trap thing) were indeed more likely to come from town than scum. I still stand by those arguments even though he ultimately flipped scum. But the lynch was heading in the direction of KSC/HF so I just said things as they were (KSC would be the better lynch there). When I said that I hadn't fully read the case on him, but as I said earlier, KSC wasn't on the level of some of my other townreads that were being voted (HF/SL at the time) and the case clearly had some merit when so many decently townish posters (rsoultin for example?) agreed with it. When I got around to read the whole case, I could see for myself that there were some points about KSC's play that I hadn't been paying full attention when I was preoccupied with your stupid case on him. So yeah. I don't really get what you're trying to say. | ||
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On December 15 2014 05:05 Vivax wrote: Dude you have no idea how formulaic and artificial you sound when you're scum. I remember that game where you were town and EVERYBODY had trouble reading you until town started winning. That's cause you were more natural and less diplomatic than you are now. I'm here in the thread, talk to me, you put a vote with no effect on a scummer you townread since D1 right at EoD piling up a bunch of half-assed reasons. You ignored what I wrote on Kelsier D1. You townread him for trap play before he explained it was trap play. Yes, I already mentioned this. And if you want to push me as scumread then start immediately cause I wanna have a good laugh. No, he explained that it was a trap play well before I even came to the thread. You were already proven wrong earlier... On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote: So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager. this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all On December 10 2014 09:15 KelsierSC wrote: Ah cool tubesock didn't read the thread. my scrooge play was to get a specific read on ff i explained that before. Outside of that i have given lots of good town reads, all of which are developed reads not one liners, weird misrepresentation of my play again. If you need more explanation , ask. fyi a guy talking to a girl isn't flirting, grow up. Think what you will. You'll never lynch me with those arguments or some gut feeling on my meta... When I don't think you really even know my meta. I'm not always polite as scum or always a spamfest as town haha | ||
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On December 15 2014 05:38 Vivax wrote: Judging from your filter, Xata, you have no scumreads now and for some reason you aren't suspicious of Oats. ....What? I just specifically said that Oats needs attention from his apathy / vote behaviour. And I do have reads. I just don't think it's the best time to go making lists right now. | ||
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On December 15 2014 06:07 Vivax wrote: Cool that you try to take cred for pointing out something about someone you don't wanna read either way. If you're so sure your points were good, and still are, why not scumread him? There's plenty of scum left and FF was your last read. It's not clear where you stand now. This is giving me flashbacks of Damdred from last game... Originally I thought Oats was quite likely scum for not caring much about the D2 lynch. Then some people pointed out that as scum he should have showed up at deadline as KSC was a lynch candidate so maybe he really was just busy yesterday. So now I'm somewhat back to null on him. | ||
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Semi-confirmed / highly likely town: Fecalfeast Not only was he likely greenchecked by Trfel, but also pushed and voted by KSC throughout the game. The greencheck alone might be explained by a Godfather role or misinterpreting Trfel's filter, but combined with KSC's play it's highly unlikely that he would flip scum. Vivax Has a role claim without counter-claim. Mostly the fact that fake claiming would be very stupid for him when he was under no real pressure and might have risked an immediate lynch if there was a counter-claim. LightningStrike See: Vivax. rsoultin Has consistently made good points and mostly shared arguments that I could resonate with. Has also been very active and a voice of reason in the game. Overall a very townish player. Holyflare Despite his slight lack of involvement at times (apparently because of IRL stuff), he's clearly thinking a lot about the game and pushing his own opinions whenever he's in the thread. After reading GB's cases I still can't find any compelling reason to believe that he's scum this game. Question marks: sicklucker Earlier I was quite sure of him being town based on his claim and the way he did it, but more recently I haven't really been impressed with his posts. The claim also seems like something not that risky to fake claim as scum. He wouldn't still really be a good lynch based on his towny vibes during D1. Half the Sky Early on I felt her play felt scummy, then it's pretty much set at null / slight town lean. Not really a good lynch. froggynoddy Has seemed pretty passive and evasive all game. I don't really get the feeling that it's scum motivated though, more like timid town. This is after just rereading his filter yesterday. Earlier I thought he might be scum... Now I'm leaning more towards town. We'll see. Alakaslam I'm not really sure how to read him. Slight town feels? liancourt I can't make sense of him, kind of like Alakaslam. Hopefully following events will shed more light on him. ritoky I still stand by my argument that it wouldn't make sense for the scumteam to claim like he did. It's harder to see him as town when his bullet apparently did nothing, though. Didn't he really open it? Or was he roleblocked and OWS's or his target was protected or something? The explanation of him being scum seems a bit more likely now than it did before. He would have claimed it by now if he fakeclaimed the whole thing (as town) so that can't be it. batsnacks A real question mark for me currently. Tubesock His hectic posting at the deadline actually felt pretty genuine. There's still the weird slip, his changes in style and such to keep in mind. Scum lean: The_Templar He's pretty much flown under my radar all game after his claim and pretty forgettable posting style. Mostly a gut feeling for now. Oatsmaster Keeps wasting his votes (doesn't even vote for his biggest scumread froggy during D2) and hasn't really done anything to further town goals. Scum or the most apathetic townie I've seen in ages. GlowingBear Still continuing role fishing (which has a clear scum motivation), tunneling HF with pretty weak arguments (I don't think I've yet seen anything that couldn't be well explained by time/post restraints) and weird reluctance to get HF shot at night (no, "he might be town" doesn't cut it when GB has tunneled him for the longest time - the easiest explanation would be that he'd rather keep the mislynch around...). I've been undecided on him for a while but at this point I think he's probably scum. His flip would also be decently telling (mostly regarding players like HF and SL). ##Vote GlowingBear | ||
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On December 15 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote: You don't have to look at meta to see oats is scummy. No idea why you only have a tiny bit based on his content and those things aren't even the things that make oats scummy. It's things like this where he tries to shut down wagons (on conveniently town wagons (pending ff isn't gf or something) based on really just nothing. It's worse when he tries to shit on the ff lynch because of his post count and not the content especially as there were lots of content cases on ff at that point and i don't think it was till after vivax called him out that he started adding more reasons why the lynch was bad (the nk analysis things etc). He is just uninvolved and downplaying lynches to end up only lynching lurkers. ^ This post explains well why Oats is more of a scum lean rather than just null by now. | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:16 rsoultin wrote: Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him. I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"? I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up. Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch. Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now. I'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts. Heh. Paranoia is natural. Didn't really get that ritoky point though? | ||
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On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town. Mafia KP formula is: 2KP Each mafia player can only deliver one bullet, so in practice it drops to one when 1 mafia remains. ? | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:04 LightningStrike wrote: I got GB null leaning scum but I would rather lynch Tubesock right now read my thing on him earlier on why. Yeah I agree that he doesn't seem to pay much attention and the slips are disturbing. What's holding me back is his crazy posting streak before deadline... It'd be hard for a beginner scum to post like that. | ||
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On December 16 2014 04:18 GlowingBear wrote: -.- None of you has good reasons against me. Jesus. You've tunneled HF for the longest time for much worse reasons. | ||
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