EPTOn December 11 2014 08:15 sicklucker wrote:
Shoot ff for suggesting it.
Shoot ff for suggesting it.
Koshi and me suggested it.
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On December 11 2014 08:16 batsnacks wrote: Shoot kush. The reward (2 dead scum) by far outweighs the risk. ? | ||
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On December 11 2014 08:21 batsnacks wrote: He buses his team d1 as mafia in every game I can remember. If kush is mafia I would bet the game that ritoky is too. Hm. Well, that's not impossible I guess. | ||
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I looked at KSC's deadline posts and I don't really see his waffling on 27ninjabunnies as scum motivated. What's the point? It's not like he would gain credibility by doing that, more like risking his life for no reason. He was a candidate for lynch himself (since quite a few people suspected him) and if we assume KSC scum and 27nb town, why in the world would he suggest switching off of 27nb (and quite possibly onto himself instead)? I think ritoky possibly makes a better point about KSC here: On December 11 2014 11:12 ritoky wrote: work op, wait what..... what happened to that read? you posted my name a total 0 times in your entire filter between when you made a read of me as town for making a good read on LS and trapping ff, WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM FOR MY REASONS; and then all of the sudden i am scum. because apparently i haven't done anything all game...yet in your filter you like what i did? you don't even mention me in the little blurb, i am just paired with OWS and you talk about OWS. like why am i even in this read? especially when it is contrary to what you previously said. kels just seems like he changed his read because of thread sentiment, not because he actually believes it; hell he doesn't even try to justify the terrible read because he knows it is so terrible. this is not a read town makes at all, he is probably mafia. What's with your sudden change of read KSC? How can ritoky go from town circle to scum without any real reason given? | ||
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How has your list changed now? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also trying to understand why people are scumreading NB. I have no idea. Actually I had somewhat forgotten about GlowingBear. It's extremely disturbing that apparently he thinks NB is town (?) or at least not scum, but he doesn't seem to care that he's getting lynched. Meanwhile his vote is randomly wasted and without any kind of push behind it. He could be scum. | ||
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How do you come to the conclusion that his play isn't scum-motivated? I'm a bit curious. He seems detached from the thread and not really too interested in what's happening. I usually associate that with scum. | ||
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Who were your better lynches? I guess you said that you wouldn't want to decide too much before the actions. I agree to some extent. I think something like 5-7 people might die? If people open presents, scum hit Scrooge etc. | ||
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On December 11 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote: I don't have a meta. If you believe I have a town meta, you'll lynch me this game because I'm completely self aware that I'm playing completely different from my previous town games. And guess what: I'm town. It's very unfair to say that I've only brought things about Templar. I also had some town reads throghout my filter, like rsoultin and SL. I will not post reads until half of day one probably. It's because I don't have time to read the entire thread properly. I think they were just casual remarks though, not actual reads. | ||
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On December 11 2014 23:41 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax, since you're bringing up the idea of the "main wagon" what are your thoughts on Koshi's pushing 27NB the way he did? He's attacking a lot of the fluff (namely the manner of NB's rebuttal) though I do see he spent 3-4 posts on the same issue. Kelsier being her only read is a valid point, but it feels like overkill. Is this normal for him? I have never played with him. Are you suggesting that Koshi would be scum for pursuing a scum read? That makes no sense. | ||
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Out of the current wagons, I think the KSC wagon is the worst. He's made several plays that are unlikely to come from scum (baiting reactions by making himself look bad, suggesting delaying the 27nb lynch when he's next in line himself, etc.) and his posts during N1 seemed fine. The wagon on him also looks all but inspiring (all the voters are sketchy or at best somewhat nullish players). ritoky didn't look that good during D1 so I can understand the wagon a bit better. I don't really get how the claim is Mafia motivated though. Let's look at the different scenarios: 1) If he's scum, what does he gain by claiming like that? I'd never even consider doing such a claim as scum (no matter if the claim is real or fake) and it'd have to be a pretty bad scumteam to coach him into doing that. At best he might create some chaos in the thread (not that bad of a scum motivation, but not great either) or perhaps prevent himself being checked/Vigi'd at night (since there's a good chance he might just die from the present). The gains aren't non-existent, but we also have to consider the costs. If the claim is real, he might well die for no gain at all. If the claim is fake, he's basically dead to a counter-claim (remember that he didn't know about the fate of Damdred's present when he claimed and there would still be two (or at least one) more presents floating around now). He also invites heavy scrutiny from every player in the game when instead he could just lay low or try to improve his own credibility. I think the costs far outweigh the gains. 2) If he's town, there are two plausible scenarios. Either he's A) fakeclaiming having opened the present and actually planning to pass it on while eating a KP/RB or B) actually opened the present and still wanting to eat a KP/RB. Option A seems to make much more sense as town, but naturally he wouldn't want to admit that now if possible. Option B is a bit stupid, since he could get all the benefits of option B without actually wasting the present with option A, but I don't think it's all that implausible either. As a solo town player he wouldn't have the scumteam coaching him and his judgment may have been faulty. That at least seems more likely than him doing this play as scum with a whole team coaching him..... So I agree that ritoky doesn't look great as a player, but there are several players who seem more likely scum and I fail to see how this claim is scum-motivated when no sane scumteam would go through with it (and it's decently plausible that he would do it as town, and if it's a fakeclaim, it would even be a pretty decent play... though it might more likely be a real claim since he's been so insistent about it... regardless it's more plausible to do a dumb play as town than scum). ritoky, do you at least agree that even if you insist on option B being the case here, option A would have been a lot better for town? Tubesock hasn't exactly looked good at any point and he's looked even worse today. I looked at his D1 play and there are several slightly concerning points such as playing the noob card, having a somewhat weird focus on roles (too interested?) and lastly sheepvoting for me even when he disregarded the case against me. It was certainly the most ridiculous vote on me and looking back on it, it might just be scum (instead of too scummy to be scum). What's more worrying, though, is the shift in his posting style. At first he was relatively calm and blended in, but after the massacre of night kills he suddenly got more bold and altered his posting style drastically. Inconsistencies in posting style (especially significant changes such as large changes in activity or tone) are usually associated with scum since they're fabricating everything to begin with and it's more natural to change your playstyle when it's just a fake to be changed (as town you're naturally posting what comes to your mind usually). It doesn't end there, though. He also slips that there would be exactly 5 scum in the game here: It does seem like a reasonable amount of scum, but how in the world could he just casually mention that exact amount as town? It looks far too much like a casual slip rather than a deliberate troll or something like that, considering that it's a quick reply to another post. This is the best case of TMI (too much information) I've seen all game and perhaps even in my game history. In addition he complains about town's play during D1 (which more often comes from scum), although this is more of a minor point. I think Tubesock is by far the best out of these 3 candidates for lynch, so I'll put my vote tentatively on him and look again through FF/GB/OWS and probably others to see if there's a higher reason for lynching one of them instead of Tubestock. In the meanwhile I'd like everyone online to comment on my arguments in this post. ##Vote Tubesock | ||
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Contributes nothing to the discussion, in fact degrades it by hitting at the credibility of others without any reason. On December 11 2014 13:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Finished Counting For Today ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast 27ninjabunnies (11): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, Koshi The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi ObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultin Vivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslam sicklucker (0): LightningStrike liancourt (0): LightningStrike GlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesock froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky Not Voting (0): 27ninjabunnies was lynched! If you look at the final count I was on 27nb Claiming credit for nothing (ninjavoting 27nb at the last moments). And so on. Mostly sheeping and making useless comments all around. | ||
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On December 13 2014 03:25 GlowingBear wrote: You guys are out of your minds. I had to come quickly to my work so I couldn't bring the points on holyflare. By the way, mass claiming IS okay now, as a lot of vts died. It will narrow our lynches A LOT I know the balance team hates mass claims so I'd wager a bet that this setup is rigged not to favor them overall. For example, there's that Branch Manager role to kill VT's and killing Cop/Doc would naturally be nice for scum. Well, there *is* the point that Scrooge died so early. It might now be just barely worth it. I can't imagine it being an overall optimal strategy though. Not sold on the HF push either. If HF is still alive at LYLO, it should probably be considered. Overall GB's D2 doesn't seem productive for town, but at least he's doing stuff, so maybe he shouldn't be a lynch option today. | ||
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On December 13 2014 04:11 Vivax wrote: Not really sold on the ritoky wagon from what I've read of him lately. Most arguments are based purely on his gift claiming and scumreading somebody off that is insanity, if you want to convince me you will need more than that. His defense appeared townie to me and so did his push on his scumread. Another townie bit I noticed about someone else was Obi saying "I don't have the grasp of what's going on in this game and that bothers me" which is something a townie will be subject to, not a scum. Don't see much reason for a scum to post such a thing. Just a thought that came to my mind and I'd like to share. Having narrowed down the list of the NKs suspects eliminating ritoky, I'd focus more on Fecalfeast and the fact that I don't see him being pushed a lot, overall he doesn't have anything memorable to begin with and that usually alarms me. Playing doto atm will analyse him thoroughly afterwards. I actually agree 100% with this post. Vivax is almost certainly town. | ||
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