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Eh lol...I'm paranoid right now. Everyone is scum.
^Obviously a joke.
However I agree with lian. Not necessarily that we must lynch HF and rit, but figuring those two out will go a long way toward the rest.
I think I just need to go through things again, and see what jumps out at me. The things that bugged me before (about GB, about rit, about viva with the NK analysis and quick vote switch) still bug me. I'm just not sure that they're actually scummy. Froggy probably needs to be lynched soon, though, if we no longer have a vig. I just don't see his flip being particularly informative so I don't see him as a priority right now.
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On December 15 2014 13:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:39 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what is your reads today? before you answer this, i would rather just have your read on GB
Sorry, too late ><.
I've been butting heads with GB. A lot. Part of my reaction to him has become emotional, and I don't like that in myself when I'm trying to analyze things. But I will admit it. His call for a mass claim I still don't like. I still don't like his tunnel vision focus on HF to the exclusion of pretty much everything else, or that he keeps trying to force things through and throwing fits when people don't fall in line. I don't like that he harps on HF constantly but then instructs vigi not to shoot him...it seems counterintuitive. The only explanation I can possibly think of for that is if he thinks HF may be the vet, but if he thought that, why all pressure?
So no, GB still doesn't sit well with me. I wouldn't be surprised if he were scum and he still is probably my biggest scum read. I'm trying to approach him from more neutral ground, though, so my urge to fight with people that domineering doesn't get in the way/blind me. -_-
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On December 15 2014 13:45 rsoultin wrote:
Eh lol...I'm paranoid right now. Everyone is scum.
^Obviously a joke.
However I agree with lian. Not necessarily that we must lynch HF and rit, but figuring those two out will go a long way toward the rest.
I think I just need to go through things again, and see what jumps out at me. The things that bugged me before (about GB, about rit, about viva with the NK analysis and quick vote switch) still bug me. I'm just not sure that they're actually scummy. Froggy probably needs to be lynched soon, though, if we no longer have a vig. I just don't see his flip being particularly informative so I don't see him as a priority right now.
^ See above.
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It's fine. You can be mafia and GB can be town. He said he thought you were null when he gave you the present earlier. You both can be mafia. You both can be town. It's true that GB cannot be mafia while you are town and you still be alive, unless mafia was just testing to see if the present would kill you before roleblocking you or whatever.
I'm trying to keep an open mind -_- Such as it is.
I still do not really understand your claim as town, rit. Drawing fire maybe, as has been suggested, but was that your actual intention?
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On December 15 2014 14:02 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner.
Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. +1 Like pic a side people for this vote. Its not we vote one person from each world I would look at lian for suggesting that totally what mafia wants
You really don't find it strange when the entire game breaks up into camps? I do.
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On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner.
Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here.
Pues, he necesitado investigar la palabra "contundent" porque no es una palabra de ingles.
Apparently GB slipped into his native tongue for a sec there. Contundent(e) means conclusive/overwhelming? in this context, as far as I understand. Please verify. I don't speak Portuguese.
You'd have circumstantial evidence, for sure, given I've been fighting you the hardest on your HF case when it has never seemed particularly strong to me, and in many ways seems forced. Particularly with all the ALL CAPS nonsense. If town decides to lynch me this game it will purely be by association with a flipped scum HF, and probably only because you push it. You can be responsible for that when the game resolves. 
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There is only one flipped scum. I've never understood your overwhelming certainty about things this game, SL. One flipped scum means it would be stupid for them all to stick to one "camp" or another. I'm not even entirely sure how the camps are defined. GB vs HF, I guess? Would be hilarious if they're both town. Doubtful, but still hilarious.
Nah, you won't find all scum in one place. Not unless they're arrogant SOBs who think they'll never be caught.
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On December 15 2014 14:36 sicklucker wrote:
Rsoultin if you dont think mafia are going to hard align then how are gb and ritoky ever mafia? Thats one of my town reads on them.
First, by people I think the only one who has mentioned lynching both HF and ritoky is lian.
Secondly, I'm not certain. I think GB is scum because he hasn't convinced me otherwise. I know that thinking this and going toe-to-toe with him puts me in a bad position because he's very loud and people sheep him. It is more likely that rit is mafia if GB is, and I still find the dumb act hard to believe, trying to draw fire as town less hard to believe but ultimately not that helpful...
But no, I am not certain. And two hard aligned mafia would not mean the entire team would be hard aligned. Again, I think it would be dumb for them to play that way.
If HF and I were mafia together, as you seem to be convinced of, do you think that we'd want our team to openly bandwagon us, or hedge their bets, especially under fire?
It's all speculative and strategy, but I will say that even if HF is scum and you guys do lynch me by proxy, please remember (assuming you're town) when I flip that cutting out half the players will cause you to miss the real scum team, and you probably will not be able to correct in time.
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Answer me this question...SL or anyone else, for that matter...
Under what possible circumstance would a town-aligned player advise the vigilante on his team to not shoot his top scum read? GB is clearly not the seer; that was Trfel. He didn't want the extra time to check HF. Not only did GB do this, but he refused to explain why, and the only scenario I could see was the one described above: if he intended to do an alignment check and didn't want scum to know that he was the seer.
I briefly entertained the idea that GB might think that HF could be (amusing, given how adamantly he's been scumreading him) the vet. But that doesn't make sense, now does it? To verify the vet you would still want to shoot him, especially if you thought he was mafia. He either flips then or survives. (Or some other power role interferes in some way.)
So why not shoot your top scum read? Why not? Unless you knew he wasn't scum. Unless you knew that by delaying his death you could continue to generate confusion and discord and force a mislynch (and a possible vet can survive a KS, not a lynch), giving you a free day to take out more town.
Why not shoot your top scum read? SL? GB? Anyone? Am I missing something obvious here?
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Eh, screw it. I'll still listen to what people have to say (GB included) and look for other reads, but he's the one I'm most suspicious of.
Until I can get a satisfactory answer:
##vote GB
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On December 15 2014 15:41 sicklucker wrote:
Like I didnt want hf shot either. you dont want potential roles dead unless your certain its bad play. Your new just trust us on the technicle side
Then why not say as much? Why did he put me off? Not explain? How is it better to lynch a potential role vice shoot one? He's pushing HF right out the starting gate again. Is there less a chance that he's a role now than before? We still have at least one mason and probably a medic. Possibly a vet.
If you can't explain yourselves adequately enough to school a newbie like me (and I'm not stupid) then why would I trust you?
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On December 15 2014 15:52 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday. omg... why didnt you come out like when we asked? To who btw they have to come out with a check today anyway.
SL, if you are not mafia with this group, you have to be the most gullible, unthinking townie in this game. So that they can be shot or blocked? Are you kidding me?
Tube, I apologize. I genuinely do. I'm so used to SL not making much sense I've been ignoring it. If GB and rit flip mafia, he most likely will, too. Or he should be an honorary one -_-
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He was trying to get shot. The present's power would have been wasted. Come on SL. Think.
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I'd still rather lynch scum, but hell, I'll vote for friggin HF tomorrow if town can't see how wrong these people have been playing, just to clear this up for those who won't or can't see it.
GB, please do enlighten me, if I'm being stupid. Or at least enlighten the other players if you don't want to give me the time of day -_-. You have a habit of disappearing whenever we start getting into a discussion. Or argument.
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On December 15 2014 16:01 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so let me explain something. Presents are sent during the day and opened at night, hes claiming to have gotten the present yesterday and not have opened it last night and sent it to someone today. This is a complete lie because even if he dies at night the present is lost so the only logical town thing to do IS TO OPEN IT. Like he just dug his own grave its over
Two days ago, SL.
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On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday.
You're misreading, either accidentally or on purpose, and ignoring my case which actually is not a bad friggin case. Whatevs.
In my mind you're lackey scum or donkey town, and I'm tired of wasting my time on you. Going to bed now.
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On December 15 2014 16:20 liancourt wrote:
vote HF end the day have night come
I'd like to think the town in this game are intelligent enough to actually understand how scummy the main opponents to HF have been playing, particularly GB (and SL???) so that we can keep our town, but I agree, lian.
If they're not, they're not. Let's get the damn drama over-with. (I will hold out hope until closer to lynching time, however.)
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Yeah, I don't see a way that ritoky and vig are both town and both RBd, unless the medic chose to protect ritoky from getting NKd and didn't realize that their power also acts as a RB...or didn't care that their power also acts as a RB.
Though this would apply to a ritoky of any alignment.
Obviously the medic didn't visit the vig.
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...why are you so certain GB is not scum, SL?
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Moving on. Okay...
My best theory is that ritoky of whichever alignment was probably RBd/protected by medic.
We believe that the branch manager accounted for 1 KS night 1...
We believe, knowing that there was a vig that he took a shot
We know that mafia has two KPs
Damdred may have been killed by a present, but also by mafia/vig
So without the branch manager taking shots...
There should have been two KPs (there were), a vig shot (probably blocked) and a final shot from either a present's gift or the third mafia KP, depending on which killed Damdred
So it follows that ritoky actually did have the present with the KS or is mafia with a KS as part of his role, then was probably protected/RBd by the medic
Am I understanding the mechanics properly?
I can legit see in this scenario a town ritoky, claiming the present early, drawing the shot from the mafia, and the medic protecting him. Like I said, if mafia isn't sure about what's in the present and doesn't want to die, they can set this up to see where it goes and plan on taking ritoky out N2. If they have KSs and already know everyone's alignment, being rid of the presents entirely or using them to kill town is the most to their advantage, especially since present giving is anonymous.
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