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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 14 2014 23:34 GMT
#3023
No, the rest should not claim either. How stupid are you? Or how stupid do you think everyone else is/believes you to be?

That would be process of elimination.

NO ONE SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT NOW.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 14 2014 23:40 GMT
#3029
There are fifteen people left, two claimed ghosts.

Your claim which I am starting to really not believe.

You are insane.

It does town no good to claim.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 14 2014 23:43 GMT
#3031
On December 15 2014 08:38 liancourt wrote:
just vote HF

discussion isn't going to progress as long as he is alive and we cant' analyze day 2 votes with him alive.



That is a pisspoor reason to lynch someone. ritoky is the one who claimed to have a bullet, wasn't NKd, and yet if he did shoot someone he shot one of the two who actually successfully lynched scum yesterday.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 14 2014 23:48 GMT
#3042
On December 15 2014 08:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
There are fifteen people left, two claimed ghosts.

Your claim which I am starting to really not believe.

You are insane.

It does town no good to claim.


The ghost claims don't change anything for the role. Kush suicided himself like a douchebag, I visited him N1, and so did marley, I'm nothing but a named VT now and claiming helps town find scum. Unless you have the theory that I took a 50/50 chance of getting counterclaimed when only few people really suspect me.

Only the last ghost claim will be sketchy cause it's the safest one for scum to make.


Look, I don't know if I suspect you or not. I do know that claiming right now is a bad idea with no set number of any specific roles. I am not saying people claiming are scummy at this point.

I'm saying that claiming is going to narrow things down to one of town's last asset whether they choose to claim or not.

Why you're getting so defensive I'll address at a later time. Please don't claim if you're town, folks -_-. Good lord.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 00:35 GMT
#3050
On December 15 2014 08:08 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, I'm sure he'll claim he was RBd or something.

##vote: ritoky

Also, I know this might sound weird coming from me since trfel just posted it, but I've been getting an uneasy feeling about SL myself. It's hard to pin down.


Surprise, surprise.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 00:42 GMT
#3053
Sure, it's possible, HTS.

A town snowman could have been shot by OWS. There are several potential scenarios. That's why the night actions don't mean anything. We have to go off what we read.

ritoky wasn't looking very good before the claim. I'm happy to give him a hole to climb out of.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 00:48 GMT
#3057
On December 15 2014 09:44 sicklucker wrote:
I told obi he was dead tonight . He woulda shot 10/10. There is either a medic save or a snowman


SL, we can't know what he didn't say. But yes, that is possible.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 00:55 GMT
#3064
GB, I'm going to give you a minute to read before calling you an idiot. Or scum. You will find the answer if you haven't already.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 00:58 GMT
#3067
On December 15 2014 09:56 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"?
His check was obvious not on Kelsier.

Hm.


It was on ff Im like tottaly sure he would have tried harder if he red checked hf. Green checking ff is the only option lets amuse that and move on


SL obviously trusts you're not finding ways to push your lynch HF agenda more than I do.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 01:10 GMT
#3071
There is more than one scum left, GB. Unless the vig shot the seer. lololol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 01:25 GMT
#3084
On December 15 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 10:10 rsoultin wrote:
There is more than one scum left, GB. Unless the vig shot the seer. lololol


Like, dude. Froggynoddy is most likely mafia. Oats is most likely mafia.
Why shooting HF who "half" claimed?
Why would he shot the most townie person in the game?

WTF...


It was obviously a joke, GB. The Branch Manager was lynched. There is no possible way that there is only one scum left.

And no, I did not claim being roleblocked. I called that ritoky would claim that -shrugs- He either was as town, or he'd have to claim it, to look town. No great insight, that.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 01:34 GMT
#3091
Or, and here is a really crazy thing.

We lynched KSC.

And that is why he didn't kill anyone.

You know...just a thought.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 01:37 GMT
#3093
On December 15 2014 10:34 rsoultin wrote:
Or, and here is a really crazy thing.

We lynched KSC.

And that is why he didn't kill anyone.

You know...just a thought.


EBWOP:
Nevermind. You were talking about Night 1 there weren't you GB? It's possible he shot randomly into the crowd and happened to hit what he needed to, but yeah, it's probably more likely that someone else shot.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 02:03 GMT
#3102
Mrt.

So we're now up to a scumteam at least 4 members deep, and got the one who didn't get a NK lol. Probably an RB as well, so 4-5.

Okay that probably doesn't help but I like to have an idea of how many scum are floating around, if only cause it makes me feel better.

Hrrrrmmmm eh filter diving and rereading does not sound like a fun way to spend the evening :/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 02:39 GMT
#3111
Hm, possibly. But I don't know. No one's claimed anything outlandish. We have a half claim from HF and 4 named VTs essentially. There are still 15 players so...-shrugs- There's no real way of knowing the setup so I don't think speculation as to specific roles will do much good here.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 03:16 GMT
#3133
ritoky said he was so...we are or he's lying
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 03:26 GMT
#3137
Lol, yay seahawks?

I don't know, GB. Two died from NKs. It's not a wild assumption that the Branch Manager killed one, but didn't someone point out that they had to be claimed first? The OP seems to be contradicting itself -_-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 04:16 GMT
#3154
On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?

Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1?


Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him.

I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"?

I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up.

Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch.

Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now.

I'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 04:27 GMT
#3157
I'm also in favor of pressuring HF when he gets back. Not sold on people's scumread of him (especially based on his scum reads of others) however I do think determining his alignment is key here. It really does change how we'd look at the vote that went down yesterday.

ritoky, of course you could be lying, so I'm not inclined to base my read on anything to do with bullets or presents or whatever (I allowed myself to get sidetracked arguing that the presents were insignificant and instead gave too much significance to them ><) but it would be nice to have an idea of what you say happened night 2. That could be very informative.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 15 2014 04:38 GMT
#3164
On December 15 2014 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 13:16 rsoultin wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?

Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1?


Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him.

I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"?

I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up.

Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch.

Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now.

I'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts.


I have no idea how can you townread him earlier but keep your vote on him day1.

I also have no idea how you vote someone day1 without noticing them much.


Day 2, GB, is also earlier. I didn't say at the beginning.

And if you recall, which you don't, my vote on him was to try to get him to explain why he was stuck on 27nb, because he did switch his vote to her when his main issue (the "iffy" section of her list post) had been addressed. At Night 1 I accepted his response that there were other reasons than just not having a reason not to vote her...but that doesn't change that his positions have been generally lackluster.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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