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Updated reads:
Rsoultin - Some reads, some questioning, short filter, but not a lot if any spam. No red flags. After 22 pages, I hope he can come up with more reads, there's way more to work with now.
LS - Same as Rsoultin, some reads, and very short filter, no noise, but with 22 pages, again, more input would be appreciated.
Alakaslam - About as close as it gets to coasting, dropped in once, had a few minor points, but was largely spam and a joke vote. Concurrent game participation is NOT an excuse - Damdred and SL are in the same game as he is, and they have contributed at least twice as much this game. Likely scum.
Meatpudding - 24h gap alone isn't cause for concern, particularly as people have posted less. Some reads are better explained than others, but his calling out of SL makes complete sense. Nothing here really is indicating scum. Null to slight town lean.
Kush - No real red flags so far. Some decent reads, called DSMI for his tactics, thinking seems to be townie aligned.
Batsnacks - Premature vote on kush, whether you want to define it as pressure or policy, it was way too early to be doing that (8 hours into the game), even if you knew his meta. Adding to that is a lack of reads, a vote for DSMI without explanation and the one of us is dead comment, those last two things don't add up. The policy vote was my biggest problem with him before Trfel even pulled what he did. Oats argument was a weak defence, and I'm not seeing a meta argument anywhere for his behaviour aside from the kush vote. Overall there's too much wrong with Bats to not vote him down. My views on him were scum, but the DSMI vote only reinforces that.
SL - First, there was the afk thing at the off, got him nowhere, posts through page 17 are mostly answers to questions, some observations. But post page 17 is what gets me. There's not a lot of original thought in his posts, particularly with casting suspicion on Damdred, and didn't have many reads on more than the 3 players he marked for scum. In fact, most of his discussion is noise or focused on the same three players. I'm not sure why he made Breskhe null and then scumlisted, explanation wasn't very clear at all there.
Breskhe - Not posting much, but posts are mostly of substance. No red flags here.
Oats - Tunneling on Bats is problematic, even if it was initially justified. Could provide a few more reads, but most of his posts seem town-aligned. Yes there is nitpicking, but the points presented have been valid. I don't agree with LS being scum, not yet, but I understand why he's made that point. Even if I were to play devil's advocate and suspect Oats of being scum, it's not anywhere near as strong as Bats and Damdred.
Damdred - I'd like to see Oats' reasoning for calling Damdred scum, but on my end we have the excessive questioning at the beginning of the game and the LS policy vote suggestion, he gives a few reads but drops off with the exception of going toe-to-toe with Oats, which isn't bad in of itself. I believe SL and someone else has called him out too, and I don't see any defence as of page 18.
DSMI - massive gap in posting though latter posts have been somewhat okay even if I don't agree with some of his points, although the Bats vote appeared to be a bandwagon vote. Null. Nothing strong.
Alakaslam is liable for a (lurker) policy vote at this point with just over 6h remaining, SL is all over the place, but at this point, the overwhelming pile is on Batsmacks.
##Vote Batsnacks
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On November 26 2014 21:33 meatpudding wrote:
And yeah while it seems bats hasn't done that much, it looks like he's trolling. It doesn't come off as townie but I'm still not feeling scum here. Anyway I'm not trying to defend bats at all so whatever.
My problem with trolling (anyone, not just Bats) is that it's noise, it's not productive and creates confusion for townies, especially in a (relative) newcomers' game.
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On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
I have no idea when EoD is.
10pm GMT/5pm EST, so just north of 5h.
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DSMI voters - I understand the policy vote arguments, and for the most part, I'm okay with that, because he and Alakaslam had about the same post count with minimal substance going into last night. I can accept that argument. The Day 1 argument, okay, I can also give someone that too...however...
I'm looking at his post-page 18 activity and he has been putting out some substance though it could be supported better. He did have a bandwagon bats vote...
...but if you are looking to policy vote ANYONE at this point, you guys should be going after Alakaslam, not DSMI. After page 18, DSMI isn't a policy vote in my book.
On November 27 2014 01:35 kushm4sta wrote:
dicksmash lynch doubles as a plynch. so we will be in a good position even if he's town.
What do I mean? I mean that he is going to be a big unknown all game due to his lack of activity and not giving a fuck. Unlike someone like bats or oats, who can prove themselves town later in the game.
Fair point, but can you (or anyone) distinguish between him and Alakaslam?
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On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
I believe his issue is not the quantity of posts, it's the quality of them. In my case, I had a problem with the voting.
Also, in your history of playing this game how often does a scum player try and be overly active so that focus is off of him later on?
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LS, is that no-vote even allowed? Can we get a clarification from the hosts please? First no-votes were allowed on page 11 and then latest on page 15 they were not.
Newbie question - no-vote/sleep same as abstain right? If not how are they different?
On November 25 2014 13:03 Blazinghand wrote:
You are allowed to vote for a no-lynch.
On November 26 2014 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count
Oatsmaster (1): batsnacks
batsnacks (1): Oatsmaster
Dicksmash Mcironcock (1): kushm4sta
Not Voting (10): Half the Sky, Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, sicklucker, LightningStrike, Meatpudding, Damdred, Alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock
Currently, Oatsmaster is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Cheers.
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On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop.
LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations.
Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day.
I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise.
##Unvote
##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock
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On November 27 2014 04:32 sicklucker wrote:
votes in 2 hours and thirty minutes I think can we get a votecount? Catching up
I want to say 5 for DSMI, 1 each for Alakaslam and Batsnacks, but I could be wrong.
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Er, 1 each for Alakaslam, Batsnacks and Trfel. Bats changed his vote excessively...
I'm going to check now, since I am probably going to bed right around the deadline time.
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Okay, went through from page 15 onwards.
DSMI (4) - Kush, Damdred, Lightning, myself
Batsnacks (3) - Oats, Trfel, DSMI
Trfel (1) - Batsnacks
Rsoultn (1) - sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - Meatpudding
Alakaslam (1) - Rsoultn
I stand corrected.
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On November 27 2014 04:41 sicklucker wrote:
Ya dont vote slam. Hes been pretty inactive in the other game too. Ill be able to read him well after mafia reading him so easy I think. same with damdred. They will also be great town assets if they are.
Are people policy voting him in the other game?
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On November 27 2014 05:21 rsoultin wrote:
Mods, he voted for Dick. Just saying.
I sent both PMs. Hopefully they will see it as it's very close.
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Regarding the no-votes, DSMI voted Bats, but that vote wasn't counted as it wasn't in the correct format.
Breshke being Aussie has a timezone disadvantage, so if he votes, will be forced to vote last minute.
And Alakaslam has been inactive so who knows if he'll vote.
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That is frustrating, his voting also made no sense. We had no way of figuring he was the doctor, and I was convinced enough by kush. Now I'm having a really bad feeling about this. Who else seemed driven to vote DSMI?
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Well let's look at the arguments used to defend bats - Day 1 reads being unreliable to awful (justifying his bad reads on people) and DSMI's gameplay being poor, the latter upon which we generally agree.
Damdred if I recall used a meta argument against DSMI.
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Damdred - your question about the meta read -
This is the post I was referring to, to when which SL said you had convinced him.
On November 27 2014 05:08 Damdred wrote:
Meta cases are weird in the fact that they look Amazing, and really shows effort put in by the person who did it but doesn't take into account changing game play and the way the person is choosing to play the game you are in currently. If you compare Bats earlier games Mission Mafia, Storm, Neat and Tidy, Cell, Titanic. You will see A HUGE disparity in the way he plays. I am always suspicious of batsnacks though because we have such a good history together and I think his scum game and his town game can be similar depending on the amount of time he puts in. Thats just the thing about Meta cases though they can be wrong and can be right
This second point isn't right at all, I even quoted myself when I questioned Dicksmash and he never answered me at all. I never said who my scum leans were and Bresh was the only person to inquire which I just now got around to answering part of hat question and of course I can't go extremely in depth like I want on my phone thats just silly reasoning there.
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Lightning, I voted for DSMI, but did not "actively pursue" the case. Here are the posts in question.
On November 27 2014 02:21 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 02:03 Half the Sky wrote:DSMI voters - I understand the policy vote arguments, and for the most part, I'm okay with that, because he and Alakaslam had about the same post count with minimal substance going into last night. I can accept that argument. The Day 1 argument, okay, I can also give someone that too...however... I'm looking at his post-page 18 activity and he has been putting out some substance though it could be supported better. He did have a bandwagon bats vote... ...but if you are looking to policy vote ANYONE at this point, you guys should be going after Alakaslam, not DSMI. After page 18, DSMI isn't a policy vote in my book. On November 27 2014 01:35 kushm4sta wrote:
dicksmash lynch doubles as a plynch. so we will be in a good position even if he's town.
What do I mean? I mean that he is going to be a big unknown all game due to his lack of activity and not giving a fuck. Unlike someone like bats or oats, who can prove themselves town later in the game.
Fair point, but can you (or anyone) distinguish between him and Alakaslam? The keyword is DOUBLES. As in he's a good scumlynch as well as plynch. Alaka would be a better pure plynch sure, but Dicksmash has scummy content as well. Dicksmash shows a need to survive. Earlier he came into the thread and tried to give some content. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him
## vote bats This reasoning is generic bullshit. He's voting batsnacks for 1 fluidity of reads - which is common d1 2 not posting reads or reasoning - which other people have been worse about, plus is not even really true His batsnacks vote is bullshit.
On November 27 2014 03:05 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I going with kush and say lynch Dicksmash since I think he the better person to lynch due to his very little substance posting as seem in his filter to not helping us so it might be a good indication of him being being scum or a noob town but this was the same I was lynched in my last game and I turned out to be the Town Cop. LS, check page 1. DSMI is not in the noob category. You were last game and this game. You cannot compare the two situations. Kush, I went through his filter again, and now your arguments are making a lot more sense. I checked the filter against the sequence of his reads/explanations versus others for the same individuals and there is a lot of bandwagoning. Too much for his own good this late in the day. I'm still not feeling too good about Batsnacks though, ignoring any meta. I would be lying if I said otherwise. ##Unvote
##Vote Dicksmash McIroncock
I took what kush said and tested it using the filter against the arguments he presented. It fell in line, which is why I was convinced enough to change the vote.
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Damdred, here we go....
On November 27 2014 08:37 Damdred wrote:
I'm confused dwhat your talking about in that post i was referring to the meta case on bats which is a meta case while the case i put forward was a case on in game actions.
If it's not that post then it's probably this one.
On November 27 2014 04:48 Damdred wrote:Sure this is why i'm picking Dicksmash over everyone else today Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 07:57 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:On November 25 2014 07:55 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Im a horrible day 1 player might just coast. So I set this up pre game to get info. Breske had a really weird reaction. The breske I know does note vote someone five minutes into the first day. "they called me out better push the blame on Breske" Basically he starts out the game instead of inquiring what SL means and what information he has gathered about the Breske, he immediately colors i as scum and infers something that just isn't true at this point. Hes not gathering information and throwing crap on people. Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:28 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:On November 25 2014 09:26 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 09:22 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 09:08 Damdred wrote:
SL tell me what you think of Half the Sky.
And since you are so good at reading breske give me a preliminary read (especially since you are fond of fast reads) Like hes the only person in the game ive given a read on yet. Why do you keep asking Because your read is half ass'd and at one point you say that he defends you when he never does and in almost his very next post he says "Oh nvm i'll vote him and keep my eye on him" basically. Thats bullshit Everypost I made in this entire thread was about those two players. Its like your posting to make yourself look good while adding nothing. i kinda agree with this. Cool you agree with SL about my line of questioning thats actually OK at this point until, Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:33 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
sicklucker: why are all your posts about your actions revolving around your town meta? it's easy for mafia to act like their town persona and FOS people who aren't mafia.
Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:34 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
and damdred dont you think you might just be finding reasons to find sick funny at this point? He seems to be siding with SL at first against my barrage of questions hat i'm throwing at SL in pressure, but instead of pressuring me and my motives he shifts his pressure back to SL and finally back to me without actually inquiring about my read of SL is. He stays in the middle and never commits to the read and he never follows up his quesion in fact he dodges the questions posed to him at this point Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:43 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 09:34 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
and damdred dont you think you might just be finding reasons to find sick funny at this point? Not really, i'm trying to figure out exactly why hes doing what hes doing hes answered me to the fullest of his abilities thres nothin else to gain from the conversation. What are you doing though? You agree with Sick when he says its looking lik ei'm trying to do stuff just to do it but then you try to pressure him then switch to me. Looks like you are trying to do the same thing I was accused of He never revisits this point and never follows up any of his questions early on just leaves them fluttering in the air, it looks like he is doing things but not really doing things at all. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:05 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
i'm dropping in to say i won't be able to catch up today i have a shit ton of work to do. i'lll be in tonight hopefullys Makes excuses and his reads are laregly unsubstantiated Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:32 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
Before I read more does anyone who's played with trfle know if he always posts insanely long posts?
So far reading in im looking at him for something he said in page 13 where he directly contradicts himself that I can't quote but I have much to read Easy to back out of read with oh i jus made a mistake, and he can't quote but he wants to say that he just thinks its bad basically. Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him
## vote bats Doesn't read the thread but has time to directly read bats filter? What is this? He scumreads Sl, he doesn't even call bats scum he just votes him? 10 minutes ago hes barely read any of the thread and hes had time to filter dive someone call someone else scum but doesn't vote the scummy person? Wha? Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 12:51 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
Concerning the rest, I have confusion on HTS, The whole game agrees he's town but he's had an oddly low post count for that, what gives?
I'm still suspicious of trfel for the aforementioned post, I'll look into this but for now I say tentative null.
Everyone else I really have no reads on except I can say damdred looks Towny , wish I had a meta to go off of pretty wishy washy post Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 21:33 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:On November 26 2014 21:14 Breshke wrote:On November 26 2014 20:51 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:On November 26 2014 20:19 Breshke wrote:
Yeah man deadlines are rough for us. I will probably be around if you find anything you want to talk about.
I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today.
What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? He didn't even bother to explain why. HES STILL NOT GIVING READS. What's your reads other than bats? Honestly mostly town. Not sure how I feel about SLnhis posts feel slippery but that's not alignment indicative. Kush reads town honestly I don't see why everyone says otherwise. Not sure why everyone's written HTS off he's onlyngot a one page filter so that's still up in the air bag t I read him town Goes back on his SL is scum read to just say he feels slippery at this point which is odd Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 03:14 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:On November 25 2014 13:13 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster
step it up oats On November 26 2014 12:57 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Dicksmash McIroncock On November 27 2014 00:34 batsnacks wrote:
SL vote isn't happening meat.
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster
I don't think oats plays like this as town. That's probably my final vote today.
On November 27 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:
I'm sheeping kush because he's town and he's right
##unvote
##vote dicksmash On November 27 2014 01:50 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote Trfel
Look, I changed my vote again. It's really easy. here's every vote post he's made, no explanation of thought process in any of them except "oats isnt like this as scum". so tell me bats why vote me if oats is playing scummy? also, spoiler alert, bats isnt going to switch his vote back to me so when i flip town he can conveniently forget he hopped on the wagon on me and start pointing fingers at my voters. Then theres this post, not sure what you are doing here but trying to say voting lots is scummy? Overall I think dicksmash is scum. His reads are pretty flimsy and easy to back out of, he has little to no follow up with the questions he asked and dodged several peoples questions. He has only became active now since he is up for lynch today, he throws dirt on people to see what can stick and his scum read on SL went into the ether and he voted on someone he never called scum till later instead of his scum read at that second. This guy is pretty scummy
The result of which....
On November 27 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote:
##un vote ##vote Dicksmash McIroncock Holy shit damdred convinced me. I dont think he could as mafia. I dont like the bats vote.
All I'm trying to do here is support that your argument - whatever it was - convinced SL.
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On November 27 2014 08:31 rsoultin wrote:
Because SL says I am and SL thinks his shit don't stink -amused-
As an aside, if town jumps on a townie (nearly inevitable in Day 1 lynch) mafia wouldn't need to push after it hard. Their only concern should be protecting their own team. Means the pushers aren't necessarily mafia. To assume they are is to go down a rabbit trail.
There was no reason not to push Dick. We can agree on that, I hope. Whether or not there was a better choice is up for debate, so why don't we take a look back and see if we still think those people are scum? That seems far more productive than this. Anyone still thinking Bats looks good for it?
Well reasons were brought up for voting Bats to begin with - to simplify we have the voting and what he did with the voting, and second the argument that Trfel used with his behaviour. Using your theory, let's test what you said, and see if we can answer the question - what did bats do when everyone piled on DSMI? Well for starters he left his last vote on Trfel, mainly to prove a point I think, and then he fades out.
This is my reference point - kush's initial call on Bats:
On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
I have no idea when EoD is.
Dicksmash has got to go. His recent scumreads are really unconvincing and the reasoning he uses is generic and superficial.
VOTE DICKSMASH PEOPLE.
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you.
Examining the posts where Batsmacks posted AFTER kush made his initial charge: (top of page 23)
On November 27 2014 01:37 batsnacks wrote:
Kush damd bat ultimate team
On November 27 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:I've given more reads than you. 
On November 27 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 01:48 Trfel wrote:On November 27 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:On November 27 2014 01:41 Trfel wrote:On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you. I'm not looking for a strong read from him, I'm looking for any kind of sensible read. His activity is why his lack of a reasonable read is even more of a red flag. I still feel like the Oatsmaster scumread is really weak, and I've stated this multiple times. Batsnacks even moved his vote off of Oatsmaster and then moved it back without explanation, which I feel gives even less support to his accusation. I don't feel that batsnacks has been promoting discussion, since he hasn't really been adding any discussion himself. I've given more reads than you. By my count, you've given zero reads. I've explained why your Oatsmaster read is terrible, do I need to quote myself here? Meanwhile I've given one read. I also have several town leans, but I haven't felt the need to share those yet. I can do so if you would like, though. Anyway, batsnacks, I REALLY want to know why you keep changing your vote between Oatsmaster and Dicksmash without explanation. This seems extremely fishy to me. What's fishy about it? Why does changing my vote make me mafia?
On November 27 2014 01:50 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote Trfel
Look, I changed my vote again. It's really easy.
On November 27 2014 02:04 batsnacks wrote:
I'm missing how you think me changing my vote is pushing a mafia agenda.
On November 27 2014 02:08 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel if you're town, how is me voting dicksmash hurting you?
On November 27 2014 02:13 batsnacks wrote:
We're doomed
All those quotes were page 23. He has nothing from page 24 onwards through the lynch. And Bats didn't push DSMI much, did he?
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SL is all over the place. I spent about 10 minutes reading his filter post-lynch before work twice and it's hurting my head...
Let's see what I can get through over lunch...
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