Campus Mafia (New/Newish Players Welcome) - Page 8

On November 13 2014 01:13 Elvis! wrote:




Is this not a softclaim?
I called it soft since he didn't stick with it, but he did say he is the doctor, which I don't see a reason why at this point.

Also Breshke you yourself repeatedly say people shouldn't go off vote logic and your major point for killing me is me voting Serejai on day 1? On day 1, where barely anyone had an idea what they were lynching?

Then again, sicklucker tries way too hard to paint himself town, saying he answererd to our questions which isn't even remotely true, we asked him like 20-30 questions he never answered for no reason whatsoever except saying our push on him is bad, even though as a lot of other people are pointing out all he posted was WIFOM "pushes", him in a WIFOM way posting that vote count that strongly indicates he's mafia,
Then he says "no I posted it myself it's not mafia" which is WIFOM once again.
He's barely been useful at all and posted so much useless stuff in this thread, I can't even remotely relate to that amount.
Him going WIFOM and OMGUS all over the place and saying people are tunneling and not open minded when he himself just calls peoples posts bullshit because he doesn't like their previous post is really scummy.

He tries to paint himself town way too hard, tries pocketing people way too hard, ignores everything negative about him way too hard, doesn't answer questions way too much and posts useless/WIFOM stuff way too much.
He's our last mafia here, let's get 3 in a row.

##Vote sicklucker

On November 13 2014 06:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Guess nobody else is here.

Who's next on your list after I flip town, rayn?

On November 07 2014 10:47 Elvis! wrote:
Freitag, 7. November 2014
01:10

Sicklucker:
Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK.

Posts he wouldn't lynch Kelsier even if he knew 100% he was scum.
Defends Kelsiers CC and late pullback.
He gives really wishy-washy reasons to why he thinks Kelsier is town.
Kelsier and Sicklucker mafia together?

He pushes on Sentinel for (his own reasoning) posting a lot earlier and not anymore.
That's not a mafia indicator, that's just him not posting, like kush and immaterial and a lot others.
He also defends kush later for not posting, which makes no sense since for him it's a scumtell.

He says him and Sentinel are not aligned because Sentinel could just have relied on him getting modkilled.
That's nothing you can rely on.

He supports his vote on Sentinel because Sentinel and him are on his weak theory " like 0% aligned".

He even mentions that Sentinel might be going under the radar because he's a role.
So he wants to lynch a possible role?

He wants to rather vote on inactives than people he thinks are mafia, because he thinks there's a "higher rng" to kill them then to kill people he thinks are mafia.
Why not make a proper case on somebody and convince people of his vote?
If he just goes after the inactive we can only lose since there's a lot of them. We don't have many jokers left since we lost 2 town already.
So it's very important to get scum and not just get to lynch basically anyone.
He wants to lynch the people where he can get a push through, not mafia.

He reads Breshke(?) scum because of tunneling someone who the person thinks is scum.
If as town you are convinced of your vote, sticking with it and wanting to convince people of it isn't wrong.
This is how you pressure scum and maybe get a scum lynch. How else is it supposed to be?

He has a good find on Grack--> kush at the end where grack says sometimes kush doesn't do much as town, too.



I generally don't like him and Serejai being so focused on single things of people.
They keep posting about things that have already been explained and are of no use to elaborate further upon, e.g. :Batsnacks and the phone-posting-revoting-dilemma.
Me voting on the guy I find scummy: Serejai.
Serejai says I'm still tunneling when he proudly keeps saying every couple of posts how good he is for still having the same scum targets as he had from the beginning. Why am I scummy/wrong for this?

Serejai also never answers my posts about him seriously. When I point out his lies/misconceptions he just ignores it and so do a lot of people.

Then I get discredited for things I didn't say, blamed for having the same opinion about you, sicklucker, as a person you think is scummy (which totally makes me scum - not) and you just disregard everything I post because you disagree with it. Then Serejai calls me scummy for not posting things of worth. Well I guess if you disregard everything I post about you, the lynch, the cop-cc-dilemma, Kelsier, Immaterial, sicklucker and you, well there's not much left.

Then if you look, there is 4 people who are riding a similair wagon at the moment - KSC, Breshke, sicklucker and Serejai- I think either KSC or Breshke (more likely Breshke) is the deceived and the other 3 are scum, since these 4 people are constantly posting how right each other is, pushing the same targets, defending the same people (as example KSC and Kush being defended for no reason).
They want town to think that these are not only the popular but the right opinions - which lots of them have been unproven, false, not logical and weird.
Kush isn't looking townie, Kelsiers late un-cc is in no way reasonable or good for town, it's not logical just lynching people because of RNG on AFKers and it isn't warrantable to just hide lies people posted by overposting on different stuff.
Look at them only pointing out very few mistakes of each other, only pushing very slighty and really making pushes on other persons 24/7. Also mostly the same persons. They just jump on anything these persons post and somehow try reading something scummy into it.

A point I would like to raise is that they kept talking about some problems for ages even though they were answered and blame people adressing something else for more than a couple of posts. This is applying double standards in no reasonable way at all. Of course some points apply more to certain persons than to others.
As a prime example of this I see Breshke posting he agrees 100% with sicklucker about a post that mostly (as sicklucker later admitted) consisted of misconseptions and wrong facts. This is blind obedience in my eyes. He didn't even really read what sicklucker was writing and sicklucker wasn't really researching what he was posting about.
Mafia chat (possibly): "Hey, I'll make a post about why elvis and breshke are scum with something I can find that lines them up so that town follows me and we can maybe mislynch one of them. Just agree to it and make me look townie."
Breshke - someone I had a townie view on before, now he leans scum - as example posted that bats and I "could have saved the cop but didn't" and then defends that Immaterial didn't change his vote, because that's difficult in the heat of the moment.
Oh town really wasn't in the heat of the moment WITH A BIT MORE THAN 2 MINUTES LEFT IF YOU REFRESHED THE PAGE AT THE RIGHT TIME. That just doesn't make sense and is again applying double standards to people scum wants to mislynch and people they don't care about.
Then Breshke defends KSC by saying "the same play I was gonna make". Except you didn't. Defending him like you did is just very weird because there is no other reason to defend him than him being your scumbuddy. There is nothing excusable about only pulling the cc back so late.
Also this group uses Grack's posts sometimes similair as the Jehova's witnesses use the bible. "It is written here so it must be right". Not talking about religion here, but Grack sureley could have made misreads or mistakes. They just weren't scum-manipulated.
Then Breshke's post that could really be both - he points out that people have been talking too much about the vote and not the surroundings - which is a good thing - if he wasn't talking all about the vote himself before that, mainly posting "everyone who didn't vote to save the cop are to blame" and sheeping KSC.

Then mafia agreed to blame kush a bit, since he is an easy target once again, yes he hasn't posted in a long while, but that could be:
A townie being afk because of real life issues.
A scum being afk for the same reasons.
A role not posting much to not get nightkilled.
A scum not posting much, because scum hides.
At that last point - wouldn't the other scum tell him to post so he doesn't look like that? I don't think it's a scumtell if someone doesn't post at all, scum knows what they wanna look like.
This just turns it into WIFOM, which isn't a good reason to lynch someone, since he hasn't been posting scummy (since he hasn't been posting).

Then Breshke keeps focusing on how KSC fake-ccing as scum would be terrible because they could just take care of the guy in night.
Well or he's scum and has his scumbuddy's sheeping him the day after so they can get the town kill and someone else without any blame to put on anyone since the guy to blame is being sheeped by so many persons.
If he didn't do it, who would be to blame/to mislynch on Day2? There would have been like 7 votes on LS, people would just agree that LS was donkey cop and noone would be to blame.
Here they have the prime mislynch targets presented on the table. Easily to blame since they didn't pull back, no scum to identify since KSC "did pull back" and gets sheeped.
Then Breshke all of a sudden blames sicklucker for something. What?! Oh wait it's just a number being 2 instead of 3 and this is a good opportunity to have people not think you're aligned with each other since you're not really blaming him and rather correcting him.
Then Breshke says sicklucker shouldn't read kush town, for what reasons? Oh right he barely posts any. He only again mentions that kush doesn't do townie things, so for you he's scum. So if according to your arguments he's null (and you even mention why to you he could be town) and according to sicklucker he maybe is town, there's this much of a difference and that worries you that much?
This again is either deceived/confused Breshke or manipulated-in-mafia-chat-Breshke.
He also again applies double standards, I'm getting sick of this, Superbia is not to blame because his vote was seconds from counting.
Oh bats was also for the same reason. You never mention that. Tunnel view/mislynch target much?
Then Breshke repeats how Kush has done nothing for town and thus is scum. There still are the same amount of reasons for this as for others. Lynching someone who's null isn't a good thing, especially if we already lost 2 town.

I know I'm applying double standards for the bats-me situation and the 4-people-3-scum situation as well, the reason being that I think they are connected in a much more scummy way (see above) and much less individual.


I really don't know for sure about Breshke at this point since I tried reading his post town-aligned and mafia-aligned and kinda both make sense.


Oh god I just looked at the current thread again and sicklucker - 21 before gametime already wants people to focus on one of 2 wagons?
This is the time where we wanna think about everyone as possible scum or town. This is the time where we pressure people we think are scum for information.
This is not the time where we vote on final stuff.
This is really really weird.
Like he posts that some vote has no chance of getting through even though we're still 21 hours off the time where it matters, or at least 20 until it's worth discussing.
I realise that at the time of posting this one hour has passed. And ist 19/20. Still a terrible idea of him to do and reinforces my scumread on him.
At the moment I read him scummier than Serejai and I will

##Unvote
##Vote sicklucker

On November 13 2014 06:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
like, if your top lynch is me, I can't help you with that. Your next lynch targets, though, I can try to offer my opinion on. Saying "after I flip town" is just me being a dillhole

On November 12 2014 07:06 Superbia wrote:
I can't even properly fucking contest that shit man. I've had 4 games played and I'm looking to change my playstyle somewhat every single game. I tried a more in your face style during the newbie game, and I ended up losing that game. I replaced into FFM2 during essentially d2 into an essentially lost game, so that's a horrible example of my mafia play. If anything you want to look at the werewolf game, where I was mafia and we had a very active QT.

If you don't think there's any good info in the post you quoted from this game then I don't even fucking know what to tell you. I made a morning d1 play to get shit going and probably decided that I had to justify my reads after I came back to the game because there was a massive train going on me.

On November 13 2014 07:12 Elvis! wrote:
Rayn guess why I'm still pushing my 5 day old case.
He hasn't changed much yet and a lot of his posts are similair.

Obviously not everything and obviously not everything I posted in that post is like 100% scummy.
Though you must agree the things I posted about him don't paint him in good light.
If you then consider his filter afterwards, which I did tell people to, he's dodging questions and since has mostly tried to:
Make people read him town and try to confirm himself town so hard I can't even remotely understand .
Like a third of his posts in the last days has basically been "I am confirmed town because A, I am confirmed town because B, this paints me town" and then his favourite "I did this, so therefore I cannot be scum".
Like not only has he posted so much stuff that doesn't help town at all, he also with all that stuff spammed the thread, tried pocketing people which in you he apparently has, like why would he care, over a houndred hours before potential lylo, to have people read him town so much?
Why would he not make proper cases?
Why don't you make proper cases but instead blame people for all kinds of shit?
Why haven't you made a case you are confident of on anyone?

Also please, if you blame people so much, please tell me after reading his filter in an unbiased way, how you think he's not mafia.
Put quotes, prove your points and so on.

Or, if that's impossible to you I'd have you make a proper case on someone else.
Yes, we have 3 lynches to place, but people are talking about who they are gonna pick for reasons displayed in like 5-10 lines, only very roughly scratching at the person.
(irony on) We're not gonna find scum after 20 lynches this way I don't think. (irony off)

Even if claims have been going on and stuff, I atm barely see anyone who I'd put in a town circle in this game and whose reads I'd trust to be decent, since noone is deeply looking at something since days.
Will not change my vote if you don't give me good reason.
Look at this guys filter.

I don't have a lynching order, I'll lynch sicklucker, get convinced by someone else making a legitimate case, or die trying to lynch sicklucker.

On November 14 2014 02:55 Elvis! wrote:
I'm not talking about you talking about confirming sicklucker but himself.
Look how many of his posts are "I'm town because", "I'm definitely not scum because [WIFOM]".

Also, where did I ignore questions directed at me?

Did you see what the questions directed at him tried to do and how he just said they're all terrible and he doesn't even wanna read it?

Ignoring negative things said about him, well he ignores anything that's said about him.
If he's scum, these questions are difficult to answer, if these he's scum he could expose information if he answers them.
If he's town, there's nothing to lose when answering them. So as a conclusion, the only reason to ignore these questions is because you feel uncomfortable answering them or at most are lazy town.

Being lazy and not reading/researching meanwhile is what he's done all game. He posts a lot of stuff, but these aren't researched things. These are impulsive ideas that most of the time don't get us anywhere.

He posted so many plain wrong things, misconceptions and similair things that are just not acceptable as town.
Then please show me where he made a serious case where he pushed someone because of a good amount of arguments and proof. He hasn't. None of his cases are reliable.

He is very active in the thread but tell me where he's been useful. You say he isn't, but with what reasoning?

You say you want examples of where he's pocketing people. Well, look at yourself. On the basis of what do you read him town? You never explained this is great detail, but him posting a lot and seeming active and talking about scenarios where he "must be townie" made you think so. Again I ask you: for what reasoning?

There are a lot of reasons to believe he is scum and they line up well. He seems to have a strategy how to look town and follows that through.

Looking from a perspective where he is mafia, what's his only aim at this point? Look townie. He tries a LOT to look townie.
Looking from a perspective where he is townie, what's his aim at this point? Collect information and call out scum for good evidence. He has collected information, but has he called out scum with good evidence? I don't see it.

Still voting him and since noone is posting cases it looks like I'm going to stick with it.
Saying "I think this person is mafia, please vote for him" with a couple of "proofs" that aren't more than wild guesses "the person is mafia, because [insert WIFOM argument here]" isn't making a case.

A last argument I want to make is how many of his arguments he constantly pulls back.
"Medic should claim" "i guess he shouldn't".
"This person is scummy" someone posts something different "i guess he isn't".

Also, a lot of his lynch reasoning is who is possible to be lynched today, especially already very early in the day. Mafia likes voting on the easy targets, he loves it.

Also talking shit (and I'm not exaggerating) about people because they made a post about him and pleading that people should ignore it?
The people can think for themselves, they can decide if it's bad or worthy, if he thinks it's not dangerous for him why does he care?

So many things he posts are not only non-townie but very likely to have scum motivation behind them.

Also, look like he points out how serejai "pocketed" me, even though in his world she's town? Logic please? I never even said she's town? Also why me over everyone else? She didn't agree more to my posts about you than a couple of others. You're trying to make connections that don't exist.
If I believe anyone to be town here it's probably Breshke.

On November 14 2014 03:05 Elvis! wrote:
Like my definition of pocketing is this:
He makes you believe he is townie, so that you defend him when shit hits the fan and that you disregard his scummy posts.
That's exactly what's happening

On November 14 2014 03:03 Elvis! wrote:
By thinking he's townie (which is you getting pocketed) and saying he didn't try to convince you not to lynch sentinel?