Hearthstone Mafia

On October 31 2014 11:58 Damdred wrote:
You beat me to it GB dang shower. He also is somewhat lacking a sense of humor and apologizes for no reason.

@lian shhhhh they shouldn't notice if we play along

On October 31 2014 12:12 Damdred wrote:


I disagree, scum are in a general way afraid to seem insensere which is why they shy away from jokes just look at batsnacks really. But that can wait for a later discussion

On October 31 2014 12:18 Circumstance wrote:

I think it's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly - the game had a clearly defined starting time, so if you didn't post pretty quickly, you'd look suspicious in that you were laying low. Seems like an innocent misread.

On October 31 2014 12:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:

be glad you do not know the terror that is Shamanbot, or the cancer that are Huntards.

On October 31 2014 12:21 jrkirby wrote:


Hunter is a Horde class, so presumably scum.

Sea Giants are a card primarily used by bots, which every one hates, so presumably scum.

They're just jokes based upon the game's flavor.

On October 31 2014 12:23 Circumstance wrote:

Because I'm not ready to call out potential scum this early in, and the subject matter is pretty innocuous. Plus, I've dealt with a fair number of games where someone from town made these kind of quick claims that did not always pan out.

On October 31 2014 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
the absolute most boring fluffy start of day 1 ever.
Ever.

On October 31 2014 12:24 jrkirby wrote:
I think Circumstance is pretty levelheaded right now.

On October 31 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:
Oats could be mafia.

Scum hunting should be done day, night all the time to push the thread forward circumstance. Its not that it bothers me you not liking GB or the joke thing, that's understandable. However saying it is a misread with such certainty bothers me, it speaks from knowledge rather than not knowing.

On October 31 2014 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:

everyone, i dont care, im not reading that shit.

On October 31 2014 13:09 ritoky wrote:


here's the thread so far:
jokes
jokes
jokes
jokes
jrkirby: I AM SRS
ppl: y so srs?
jokes
jokes
jrkirby: I AM DEFENSIVE
ppl: y so defensive?
jokes
jokes
damdred: yo, dat guy just used misread; you kno dat alignment doe?
jrkirby and circumstance start cuddling

think that's about it.

On October 31 2014 13:29 Misder wrote:
Why the unvote on Holyflare, Tolkien?
##Vote: Lord Tolkien

And if you're agreeing with the read on jkirby, why aren't you voting?

On October 31 2014 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote:

Face it, your point was not good and you keep going on about it which makes me think that you dont have anything else to post.

I dont care what kinda job you think im doing.

On October 31 2014 14:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Use it on the scummiest person.
End of discussion.

If we dont use it, no loss.


Hey Holyflare, has anything popped out as being interesting to you?

On October 31 2014 14:24 ritoky wrote:


I don't know if it was just you not being here, but seems like you were having a difficult time getting into the thread; then this cat appears. Now you're all cat all the time. Just a very awkward entrance.

On October 31 2014 14:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Good to know that HF and Oats are town this game.

On October 31 2014 14:48 Misder wrote:

How is saying who to vote to analyze on the cat or asking the mods about the mechanics wifom? Why do you think I'm trying to blend in if only me and jaybrundage are talking about it? What exactly am I speculating on? All that I'm trying to say is that we should use the cat this cycle, and I believed ObiWanShinobi was a good target (past tense because cause he's here and he's ok).
I don't have any true scum tells - only thing that stands out to me is that I agree with GB about jkirby's entrance being scummy. Why else do you think I would like to use the cat lol.

On October 31 2014 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Holyflare: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=17#334

His follow up posts on Misder were pretty good too. The way he's phrasing things and the way he's analyzing stuff looks pretty town imo.

I just found myself agreeing with what the two of them were saying about Misder and I liked the points they were bringing up. Oats also had a really good post based on keeping discussion off of the stupid cat thing and onto important things.

On October 31 2014 14:58 Seuss wrote:
Oh hey.

##Analyze: GlowingBear

On October 31 2014 15:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
town

On October 31 2014 15:05 Seuss wrote:


Hi my name is Seuss AKA Monte.

Are we still in joke phase? I like joke phase.

On October 31 2014 15:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
whats with all these weird analysing votes man?

Seuss weird vote but too weird to be scum.

Liancourt, whos scum?

On October 31 2014 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Holyflare: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=17#334

His follow up posts on Misder were pretty good too. The way he's phrasing things and the way he's analyzing stuff looks pretty town imo.

I just found myself agreeing with what the two of them were saying about Misder and I liked the points they were bringing up. Oats also had a really good post based on keeping discussion off of the stupid cat thing and onto important things.

On October 31 2014 12:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:

last game I played with HF in that cancer mafia game, he bowed out D1 and fakeclaimed miller

obvious scum

On November 01 2014 00:17 Misder wrote:
I realized that my vote to analyze Circumstance was a bit too vote happy, but I guess it doesn't make a difference now.

On November 01 2014 06:07 ritoky wrote:
speaking of odd people. anyone else find damdred odd?

i read his filter cuz i don't really remember anything about him in the game and i was surprised to find 2 pages. all of it seems to be pretty soft-ball questions with 0 follow-up and very vague general and ambiguous statements. outside of a half of a push on GB he doesn't seem to be interested in pushing a scum read at this point.

On October 31 2014 19:37 risk.nuke wrote:
So have anyone heard of just saying, 'I want to analyze this player'. And then not immediately locking your analyze vote.
The Cat feel super much like third party. And hi.

On October 31 2014 15:36 jrkirby wrote:
Yah, idk about Lord Tolkein. He's made only one post that I'd consider slightly townie.

+ Show Spoiler +

The rest has been a waste of keystrokes. If the day ended right now, I wouldn't mind it if he were lynched.

On November 01 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:




What happened to this read? I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusions; but earlier you said he doesn't look awkward and is answering everything seriously. Now you criticize him for being serious and say he has no content. But he was answering everything, how does that make sense? Also, you were posting at the same time when he made that post and didn't respond to it in any way; yet waited until now to bring it up. Why would you do that if you find it so odd?

On November 01 2014 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

I've given plenty of insights. The following are insights I've made in the thread:

HF and Misder seem to be thinking critically about the game > town
GB seems genuinely aggressive > town
JayB seems to be buddying me > mafia?
risk.nuke seems to be third-party hunting > mafia!

That's like four more insights than like 3/4 of the players in the game! How about you define "insightful" for me if inactivity isn't your beef?

On November 01 2014 08:29 ritoky wrote:
VE, I think your original post accusing risk was not as directed as what you just recently said as what you are letting on. I think the emphasis was less so on how mafia find it easy to talk about 3rd party and such, and moreso directed toward him fucking off after that's the only thing he has done. I don't disagree with you, I just think that you and GB are probably two town fighting.

JayB, that case on HF is bad.....as was your list of quote case earlier....

Also, we should probably get some consensus on the analysis soon.

I was thinking about it a bit: 1) the cat sounds like foolishness.
2) still don't know if the cat does what it says
3) does the cat just make a case on someone based on the content in the thread or does it get additional information?

I think in 1 of our 2 cycles we might want to potentially use it on a complete lurker to see if the cat get's additional information outside of posts. Because if it doesn't....it doesn't exactly seem extremely useful outside of just being another person with an unknown objective.

On November 01 2014 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:
The Post count for my RNG declaration post was 23206369

23206369 mod 17 = 9

9th player is glowingbear

##vote GlowingBEAR

GB, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH.

On November 01 2014 09:35 jrkirby wrote:


I guess this is fair enough to me. I have a slight town-lean read on GB, but I think RNG can be very powerful day 1. If anyone trys RNG after day one, I will want to lynch you though.

So I'm going to drop my slight town read on GB and my vote on the unproductive LT in favor of the power of RNG. This is a hearthstone flavored game here.

Just so everyone knows, this is a vote for RNG, not for GB in particular.

BY FIRE BE PURGED. + Show Spoiler +

##Unvote: Lord Tolkein

##Vote: GlowingBear

On November 01 2014 09:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Plus GlowingBear is not like OO
He will not quit

On November 01 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote:
So, we have GB as a call for the D1 backup, and some people seem to be jumping onboard for risk.nuke. I've read the case for lynching risk.nuke, and I'm not yet completely sold. I don't have a solid read on him yet, so can anyone give me a reason we should lynch someone else INSTEAD of risk.nuke?

On November 01 2014 12:28 Circumstance wrote:


I'll go over the questions first, since I need to do a proper filter runthrough before I go on with reads. I've been going mainly on instinct since I went to bed last night.

I brought up risk.nuke because I noticed a push towards him, and given that I was assuming a majority requirement, I figured it would be pertinent to nail someone down quickly.

Oats still feels like he's not really helping move things along. Holyflare's assessment of him mimics my thoughts to a certain extent. I think he's definitely worth an analysis, because he just doesn't seem to make sense right now.

LT seemed like a placeholder more than anything - the rationale of voting seemed to be mainly "eh, no big loss if we're wrong." And I did see a few posts indicating that people were planning on unvoting him (though that evidently didn't wind up happening in the thread itself).

If it were up to me, I had the power to off one player straight away, I wouldn't be prepared to do so just yet. I'm not seeing something I can put together and say "Yes, this player is definitely ideal to lynch today", so with the time we have, I'd like for us all to get a stronger case put together on someone.

On November 01 2014 13:29 jaybrundage wrote:

You must of missed this. Using this on a lurker (if you do plan to use it) would be a waste.

On November 01 2014 00:50 Seuss wrote:


Emphasis on remote, and emphasis on the opportunism. jrkirby's post was pretty useless and as part of a larger case I'd accept it as a point against him, but on it's own it's the sort of thing I see Town players do all the time when the rest of the game is still joking around. It's an easy pitch to swing at to try and grab some town cred if you're scum.

On November 01 2014 14:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
The dichotomy between lian/Circumstance is something I'm looking at. I really don't like how lian nitpicks at one of Circumstance's posts and then turns around and then says "hey, it reminds me of when I was new."

When you're new, you end up leaving a ton of holes in your game that people can pick at, which is what I've seen in Circumstance's play. (not having enough scumreads, putting quite a bit of emphasis on setup, etc)

You'd think that would mean you would put more effort into figuring that player out instead of just pushing a tiny thing like that, but I guess lian doesn't feel like doing that. I find it strange.



Where do you stand on Circumstance?

Also, the analysis thing on Jay is a waste of time because he's town. I'm not going to elaborate on this because the cat is going to explain it for you. On the off chance that the cat is actually controlled by 3p or mafia, I can compare my read to whatever it gives us and see if it's actually a town entity or not by seeing if it agrees with me.

##Analyze: JB

I kind of realized that I contradicted myself in that paragraph, but w/e it's fine don't think about it.

On November 01 2014 15:07 Misder wrote:
Tolkien, is you getting lynched beneficial to town? Why post the way you are posting now?

Seems like some people still think I'm scum. I'll just look at

Why do you think that voting for Tolkien in my first post was bad? It was nothing because no one wanted to analyze quickly with me. I changed my mind about Obi, and voted fo analyze Circumstance cause he was the one I wanted to analyze at the time. Not understanding thought processes is not an argument against me.

Since jaybrundage has so many votes to analyze him, everyone should just vote him, since once majority hits, the cat will speak (given correct info from cat).

Sorry, don't think I have time before I sleep tonight to talk about what's happened since I last posted. From the rough skim, I'm ok with a risk.nuke lynch for now.

On November 02 2014 00:55 GlowingBear wrote:


I can be lazy as town and not deliver the case I promised at the right time. I've done this a lot. Like, lol.
And you've only said 1 scum trait which is actually a null tell.
You made a case on why you think someone is TOWN when he isn't really getting lynched.
What the hell are you doing?

On November 02 2014 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote:

explain with quotes and references,
500 words, 12 pt arial, double spacing, justified.

On November 02 2014 02:30 Holyflare wrote:
if anyone thinks i missed someone feel free to tell me so i can tell you why you're wrong

On November 02 2014 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ehhhh....I think whoever is Aldor Peacekeeper is mafia. Making the lynch into a majority lynch speaks of someone trying to save whoever was up for lynch when it was plurality. :/

Anyone else getting that same vibe?

On November 02 2014 03:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like there's now a possiblity that we don't even GET a lynch. That move doesn't feel pro-town to me.

On November 02 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote:


what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do.

Good job gb is a good lynch then

On November 02 2014 05:59 Damdred wrote:
I think jrkirby is scum,

His entrance to the thread was odd, GB pointed this out in another post but the first real post that starts raising my suspicion is here

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=11#213

At this point, circumstance is being put under pressure for a slip on a word and his reaction is being tested. And the response that is given before any real explanation can be had is that circumstance is basically ok right now. It feels a little bit like a defend before any real information can be found out feels like buddying and given out a pass for no reason.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=18#351

gives out another townread without any explanation or going back to it.

What was good about hfs posts exactly?

Also he talks about the cat a good bit in his filter which is safe for scum to talk about,

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=14#270
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#283
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#293
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=22#421
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#493
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#494
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#496
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#526

Most of his second page of filter is talking about the cat safely.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#568

Wants to lynch a lurker who was not really active to that point, low hanging fruit.

He then goes on to talk about rng some, he seems some what against it but once BH answers him he says this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=31#604

He has a town lean on GB but why leave his LT vote who he thinks hasn't done anything and is scummy and go to GB who he town reads. This is weird, it seems like hes trying to find a safe spot to put his vote it seems like BH might get some support in the thread so he moves his vote to go with it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=32#622

Doesn't look like the GB lynch will take off so he moves back to LT once he looks up the stats on RNG lynch.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=35#689

Tries to find another spot to park his vote does not get the desired results chaulks it up o a misundersanding and moves on to misder

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#770

He then admits to being behind in the thread, goes on to say that he will try to read my filter again to answer gb

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#778

Never actually makes another comment about me (he has been absent though), and tries to jump on BH when someone else (oats) says he looks scummy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=40#791

Overall, He gives townreads without giving any thought, does not seem really to be scum hunting hes jumping his vote around to see what he can find easiest to lynch and really hasn't commented on a lot of burning issues. That in which he has commented on its been in a way thats easy for him to fall back from, I think he is scum and should be the lynch today.

On November 02 2014 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:


He had no scumreads. He put more effort to say why someone is town than to say why someone is mafia.
When asked to make a list, he delays it for a lot of time, then comes back with notes with little content in them, drastically contrasting with his read on jay, which was much more in depth and which he says he just copy pasted.
No post was quoted on his notes, just links. Why the jay read is so drastically different from every other? (Regarding writing style).

He doesn't have a strong scumread HF, and you lynched bats for that. It makes me baffled that you didn't call damdred for that for so long.

You have him time to write the list, HF. You know he could be writing them since I inquired damdred. Yet, when he had you his list; you were completely ok with that.

On November 02 2014 08:23 Damdred wrote:


lian is the only person to point this out, its a nice pickup i hate d1 try not to make cases but i had to today and tired something different that didn't work at all

On November 02 2014 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:


The power changed the lynch from Plurality Lynch to Majority Lynch, in addition to extending the day. In Majority Lynch, it's much harder to get a lynch, potentially saving the lynch target. This is not a heartshtone reference

On November 02 2014 09:29 Holyflare wrote:


So nothing we've talked about is relevant to you?

On November 02 2014 10:46 ritoky wrote:


are you reading the thread?

On November 02 2014 13:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Lol LT's reason for thinking someone is town is cringe inducing.

Oat's What do you think of BH after spewed posts all over the thread?

VE's disappearance is troubling he asked me for some my thoughts on Dramdred and then peaced out of the thread.

@Liancourt is jrkirby your main scum read or do you still wanna lynch Misder?

Speaking of Misder he's been afk for a while.

Obi wan Whats your top scum read. Before it was BH. What do you think of him after his posting?

On November 02 2014 13:57 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you lynch him if you like his case on kirby?? Theres like 24 hours still to reach a consensus which will easily happen in that time

On November 02 2014 14:02 Damdred wrote:
I had to make cases because I said I would do things and I did them....its not how I generally do things but that's ok.

I'm not sure at all why loan, would be making that post. There's a few good lynched in the thread and he will have to explain why its me later.

We have 20ish hours to talk and decide so theirs plenty of time to get most of us on one target

On November 02 2014 14:31 Holyflare wrote:


I don't really think he's scummy at all

On November 02 2014 14:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not being a prick. I don't find what you said about Damdred to be convincing at all and you're basing your scumread on me around the fact that I didn't agree with your ironclad case. He might have lied, or he might not have, but it's not important because these notes aren't going to be all that useful in the grand scheme of things, nor would not having these notes available to post for your convenience be indicative in any way.

The thing is that I've actually dealt with a similar situation before:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?page=72#1428

The guy who did the exact same thing Damdred did was actually a cop, but someone got so invested in the idea that he lied about having "notes" or what have you that he wound up getting lynched. I don't see what would have warranted Damdred being pressured or claiming because I didn't feel particularly strongly about the case then either.

I have no idea why you're so mad at me. =/

On November 02 2014 15:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'm sorry.

What are you doing?

On November 02 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


But he posted the notes before the allotted time anyway, so it doesn't really matter either way since he had enough time to do so.

So he just wasted his power and claimed for no reason.

@Lian: It looks like you're limited my options to lynching Damdred. That's what I don't like about what you just posted.

On November 02 2014 15:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


BH is one, maybe.

You might be another if you keep this up.

On November 01 2014 14:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Tempted to roll with this tbh.

On November 02 2014 03:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm probably going to end up voting BH when all is said and done.

On November 02 2014 14:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yes I have. You even quoted them.

@JB: I'm not sure. Still BH probably, just for calling me mafia for generic stuff and not backing it up well enough I guess. I haven't really looked at his posts in depth yet, so I'll probably do that in the morning or something.

On November 02 2014 15:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This is not why.

My issue is that lian is jumping on me when it's really convenient and forcing me into a lynch that I don't particularly support.

On November 02 2014 16:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


All you've been doing is calling all of my reads bullshit since I started playing. If you try to personify my play into nothingness, then I guess that's just where you're going to end up.

I actually tried to come up with reads early so people would be able to gauge where I was coming from, but apparently someone thinks that I never come up with reads so talking to me is impossible.

@Lian: Sure. I guess. I looked back and I can see BH coming up with that stuff on his own. It's still mediocre, but maybe I'm biased.

On November 02 2014 18:25 ritoky wrote:
Well, we are not in plurality lynch so we need to start getting organized and on someone before we get a shitty no-lynch no-flip.

As of right now my top lynch candidate is Lord Tolkein.



Here is him joking with his first post. Make a note of how this is on the first page of his filter and the time and date. He proceeds this way for a vast majority of the phase. Making snarky remarks, offering no insight, commenting on nothing relevant, and doing nothing to find scum. Then he posts this:



Part 1:
Wants to analyze JB, congratulations you have arrived at the conclusion that nearly half the players in the game had already arrived at much later than them.

Part 2:
Summary: I troll lelelelelelel, no1 lynches me d1.
Answer: We'll see about that shit.

Part 3:
Finally nearly 36 hrs into the game we have the first portion of content available to us. And what is it? After 35 pages of content it is a bunch of unsubstantiated reads. Now personally, I think the case for GB and HF as town had been made and didn't need re-stating; but what the hell is this VE and OBS read? Airballs and no explanation behind them at all. Especially OWS, what had OWS done up to page 35 that had made him town in any way? It is beyond me.

Part 4: Lol BH RNG. Ty for this insight, glad we waited for it.

Part 5: Lynch lurkers guys! Cuz this strategy on day 1 always goes over well with me. But outside of that, it is an easy thing to simply default to and say instead of giving legitimate scum reads.

So essentially he gave us 2 redundant town reads, 2 unexplained town reads, and told us to lynch lurkers; after 36 hrs of play and 35 pages of content. Shows a lack of investment in the thread and he doesn't even try to push his scum reads toward a lynch, just lays them limp in the thread.



He then immediately unvotes his lurker 1 lurker lynch who had temporarily stopped lurking and proceeds down the path toward the other lurker.

Then we get to the part that I simply cannot understand. He attempts to explain his town read on OWS and how he agreed with OWS's town read on Damdred BEFORE Damdred had claimed. At least in OWS's case it is his original thought. It is a very bad thought, but I see no reason why LT is latching onto it.














tl;dr: He believes everything in OWS's filter is reasonable including OWS calling Damdred town before Damdred claimed or posted his notes in the thread. I pressure him to see why he believes that is a reasonable thing, and he basically says "gut read". Really 45 pages of content and "gut read". Plus the response is so generic and contrived; it is hard to believe he even believes it.

This guy did nothing to help town or be involved in town for 36 hrs, then he gave crap reads and not even a lot of them; did more nothing, then does this unbelievable air-ball stuff surrounding OWS calling Damdred town for inexplicable reasons. He is scum kill with fire.


##Vote: Lord Tolkien

On November 03 2014 01:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Heh.

These people I can lynch today if I had to lynch someone right now:

jrkirby
risk.nuke
Misder
Seuss

I'm tentatively including Oats, but I'm relatively omgus-y right now and I'm not sure if it's personal or not. He probably isn't getting lynched today anyway so that might be fine.

As for the names I listed, I don't have spectacular reasons for all of them yet. They're mostly PoE'd out of the people I don't want to lynch for one reason or another. All of them feel relatively forgettable and useless, and neither of those traits are good on day 1.

I'm going to switch between filter diving and playing Street Fighter or something for the next couple of hours. One of my specific filter targets is going to be LT since he's becoming a hot topic. Fwiw, I know he has a scummy day 1 meta like me so take that as you will.

On November 03 2014 02:04 Damdred wrote:
HF why are you giving so much pressure to obis defense of me? I admit I'm biased towards obi I think thread context in a few points make him look better for instance. But you give one post towards Lt who's read/defense of me looks worse than obis?

Also we should consider GB at this point, hasn't delivered cases, play has fallen through the floor and is playing towards his scum meta really hard

On November 03 2014 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
.: Circumstance, master of passivity

A quick skim through his filter will show that he is the most passive player on the thread.
Who is his top scum read? Nobody knows.
Who does he think is town? Nobody knows.
Not only he refuses to point fingers of suspicion, he also doesn't try to push the thread forward. He did it once. Just once. With oats. But it was still wishy washy.

This is solely my case on him. I'll analyse his passivity post by post now, and bring minor arguments on him. Just click on spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

That's all.

If you don't want to read everything, read the last two quotes.
##Vote: Circumstance

On November 03 2014 05:05 Seuss wrote:
Hello again.

The timing of Damdred's vote-extension is scummy as hell. Almost immediately after GlowingBear began asserting that he'd caught Damdred in a lie, Damdred breadcrumbed his role and shortly thereafter that Follow the Rules happened. This play screams, "Shit I've been caught, better use my power to save myself." I'd expect a Town player to expend far more effort trying to preserve their useful power than just blow it on themselves the moment they get in trouble.

On that note I'm suspicious of LordTolkien because of his defense of Damdred. I think there's a pretty good that he's scum if Damdred is. At best LordTolkien is oblivious to the scrutiny Damdred was already under, and at worst he's trying to reframe events to make Damdred's desperate act of self-preservation seem Towny.

I'm a little suspicious of Obiwan as well but it would be pretty horrible play for two scum to come out with the same bad/oblivious "what's the scum motivation" defense when there's such an obvious scum motivation.

On November 03 2014 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is a good point about Damdred that was also brought up by BH.

Ugh..I could still lynch Damdred.

Can we also lynch risk.nuke?

##DoubleLynch: Activate

On November 03 2014 05:50 risk.nuke wrote:
How is it hilarious. I've already told you that I am following the thread. I didn't really see a point to popping up a couple of times to say I'm to busy to do much today.


The abillity was pro town. The way you used it was so not.

On November 03 2014 06:06 Misder wrote:
Sorry - admittedly once I read that the day got extended when I was catching up I decided I was too busy irl to care to post.

Im still going to be afk for 2 hours tho. Some thoughts before then:
I don't see damdred's breadcrumb/use of power scummy. Given the activity it didn't even seem like there would be enough time to get everyone on a damdred wagon. The notes thing I'm sure what to think about - need to read more carefully to see if he actually purposely lied or he just didon't have time.

I'm surprised mafia hasn't chosen me as the best mislynch target given that I've been afk for so long/and some ppl think I'm scummy lol. I was realul expecting a wagon on me when I got to catching up.

I only skimmed but I do not lIke ows response to hf pressure. Seemed like a lot of defensiveness and not trying to get anything done.

OK I'll be back for the deadline dw.

On November 03 2014 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, I'm reading up, page 62 atm, but I need to post right now: Why the fuck would you lynch lurker's who haven't voted? Voting is mandatory! If they don't vote, they get replaced. Lynch a lurker who HAS voted. Circumstance and risk.nuke haven't voted. MISDER has!

On November 03 2014 06:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I should be back for deadline, but wound up getting called in to work. Phoneposting atm.

Misder popping in when he did is kind of weird, but I want to see what he says in his catch up before I make a more accurate judgement. His analysis is superficial which bothers me, but I might be biased since he called me scummy for a nonreason.

LT looks okay and I don't particularly want to lynch him. His read on Damdred is kind of weird and his filter is kind of small but I don't see anything overtly scummy in his filter.

I really don't see any better lynches than risk atm. That's where my vote is going. I should be home an hour or two before deadline to rethink things if something major comes up.

On November 03 2014 06:46 risk.nuke wrote:

Because double lynches are very powerful and can be especially useful when you want to up towns killing ability.
Using it out of nowhere with no forewarning, on day 1 and with a couple of hours until deadline is about as terribly as you can use the ability from town perspective. Since I know Viscera isn't that stupid he couldn't possibly be town if he had done that.

Additionally to had used it to try to push for my lynch as a lurker on day 1 when I've been clear I won't be active until day 2 just screams mafia.

On November 03 2014 07:13 Lord Tolkien wrote:
People I currently peg as solid town,

HF: can never read him
riotsky: i am sheep and HF is muh welsh shepherd (also other reasons that i dont need to go over)
VE: double-lynch is always pro town, and my town read on him hasn't changed
GB: meeeeeeta read, also he's not playing passive scummerdoge game
Slam: his "theory" makes me peg him as donkey town lel

Scummerdoges
Jaybrundage: clearly not an OMGUS read, no siree (I actually want to see if anyone picks up on it)
liancourt: (also want to see if anyone picks up on the reasoning here)
circumstance: reasons, but because he's also clearly scum with liancourt

On November 03 2014 07:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't understand how anyone would want to lynch me before day2 when I've actually said I'll contribute. As opposed to today where I'm currently still unpacking and doesn't have a fair chance of looking through thoroughly these 60+ pages.

Is it a mistake that jkirbys vote counts for two? Have I missed something or is it a hidden ability or host-error.

On November 03 2014 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so like most of my townies are on LT so I'm voting for LT. We need majority and it's time to do this.

##Vote: Lord Tolkein

On November 03 2014 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
DAMDRED.
Or circumstance.

You have a joker role, LT. I'm almost sure of it.

On November 03 2014 11:06 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Back.

dang, jester fakeclaim didn't convince anyone?

oh ffs fine


Claiming Northshire Cleric. No idea what my night actions are, but presumably medic.

And now I die at night. Whewt.

On November 03 2014 11:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I love how Lian is in his own little bubble.

It's hysterical.

On November 04 2014 02:36 Holyflare wrote:
you still haven't refuted shit it's so so so so scummy that your only reads are lurkers and nothing more and your bh read was total nonsense and a lie in an attempt to push a scummy agenda which i have pointed out

you read his filter and then said you didn't want to lynch him at all so yeh that's also another lie like i pointed out in that collection of quotes

YOU STARTED READING HIS FILTER HERE:



AFTER READING HIS FILTER YOU SAID HERE:




THEN YOU SAID THIS:



NOW YOU ARE SAYING:



AND THEN WHEN HE WAS GETTING SUPER DUPER OBVIOUSLY LYNCHED YOU SCUM READ HIM FOR THE LIST


so not only have you just bold faced lied to the jury right now but you used anything you could find to justify scum reading your partner and evidently bus him, you are mafia

On November 04 2014 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
Probably town

On November 04 2014 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't fucking lie. Read my posts already holy fuck.

On November 04 2014 12:22 Damdred wrote:
Ok I need thoughts, my ability in play today (its already activated just needs trigger) can be detrimental to town. How should we handle it

On November 04 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote:
Well its just an automatic ability that if someone says a specific word there vote power is gone for the cycle.

On November 04 2014 12:37 Damdred wrote:
Loan so a page ago Seuss with the ninja vote on me.

I figured its the most pro-town way of handling this I can empower if need be

On November 04 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
Someone empower tirion

On November 04 2014 13:01 Damdred wrote:
I'm not understanding what I'm doing exactly? I'm protecting everyone from losing their votes I am the one who even brought it up.

And my *stunt* turned out ok got a mafia and 24 hours of more information

On November 04 2014 13:14 Damdred wrote:


....what don't you get about AUTOMATIC ability, I don't get to choose when its used or on who. The only thing to do was inform town

On November 04 2014 13:22 Damdred wrote:


I've said this a couple of times.

Its an AUTOMATIC ability it was activated on d2 start I was informed last night

On November 04 2014 15:23 jaybrundage wrote:

If you get everyones vote you should just win the game

On November 03 2014 11:36 Misder wrote:
Let's get back on the risk train.

##Vote: risk.nuke
##Vote: risk.nuke
##Vote: risk.nuke
##Vote: risk.nuke

On November 05 2014 08:18 risk.nuke wrote:

I think especially ritoky's and misders actions were suspicious. And I think there was scum around who were waiting to switch their votes but possibly didn't want to be the ones to start it.

On November 05 2014 14:11 ritoky wrote:


risk.nuke - null, beginning to inch toward town - afk mostly, antagonistic and obstinate when here; 0 people defending bunch of people piling on him might mean he is town.

On November 03 2014 07:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't understand how anyone would want to lynch me before day2 when I've actually said I'll contribute. As opposed to today where I'm currently still unpacking and doesn't have a fair chance of looking through thoroughly these 60+ pages.

Is it a mistake that jkirbys vote counts for two? Have I missed something or is it a hidden ability or host-error.

On November 05 2014 21:06 risk.nuke wrote:

I've told the thread, oats is mafia. If you have anything in your head you should join me and get him lynched.

On November 01 2014 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that Lord Tolkien is too ballsy to be scum.
it looks like he doesnt really care if he dies. which is townie.

On November 02 2014 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
LT actually like did some shit which makes him scummier.

On November 03 2014 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:

thats horrible fucking play.
Why are you such an asshole?

On November 03 2014 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

What other train do you suggest?

On November 03 2014 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
boring game, nobody up for shennaies.

SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE DAMDRED.

On November 06 2014 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:

can you explain what you mean by "odd"?

Also the defence that nobody is defending the current lynch target is a really bad defence. Stop doing it.

On November 06 2014 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait a minute.
so the deadline gets 1 hour later every day?

On November 06 2014 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:

If someone is bandwagoned by the whole game, it doesnt mean that he is town because nobody is defending him. Sometimes scum just take it as a lost cause and dont bother.

On November 06 2014 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

I looked.
Its not there.
There is surprisingly little in your filter.
Wow.
Why did you adjust mine and Obi's votes?

On November 06 2014 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

Oh right yeah its bad, dont do it.
I thought you did it. My bad.

On November 06 2014 11:33 Misder wrote:
Is it possible to have the rest of the scum members be this inactive :/ I guess it's possible...

Read through Oats's filter, seems like he's town - don't think he's going to try and push another wagon against Tolkien if he's scum. Though Oat's, why didn't you try and push risk.nuke at the end and instead left it on jrkirby until the end?

On November 06 2014 11:55 Misder wrote:

I tried to.

On November 04 2014 12:30 Damdred wrote:
Just the first person to say it and I can't say it obviously

On November 06 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote:
ve is almost certainly town now btw

On November 06 2014 13:16 Holyflare wrote:
magic™

On November 07 2014 10:58 Misder wrote:
If this goes through I'm dying and so is jrkIrby - sorry if I'm wrong but the nagging feeling is there

On November 06 2014 05:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Holy you're not even interested in discussing anything with me, you've flipped into "discredit everything VE says" mode so fuck this, you can figure out the game yourself.

I'm Gelbin Mekkatorque, I invented a homing chicken on D1 and gave it to Misder. No idea what it does. I invented a Poultryizer D2 and gave it to HF, I have an idea of what it does. Nothing anti-town.

Good luck fuckers.

On November 07 2014 13:07 Oatsmaster wrote:

elimination + totally different play from the other game I played with him.

Its not hard.

Circumstance/CR also seems to be but im more confident in liancourt. Slightly

On November 07 2014 15:01 Damdred wrote:
Loan scares the crap out of me honestly, his postings really look so unlike every game I've played with him. Him and Cr are probably scum

On November 08 2014 15:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
This post seems like the result of a scumteam going "you gotta go in there and post something dude".

Just saying. My thoughts on lian still incoming.

On November 08 2014 15:48 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think there would be a mafia power that sticks them out like that though? Doesn't seem like on you'd get given as a fake claim either tbh... Meh not really reached a conclusion on lian because he kinda just did his own thing like last game where he was town but i dunno. Kinda like the part avout kwwroy and chicken though maybe it's a yolo where he doesn't die?

On November 11 2014 21:09 Holyflare wrote:


What....? That's an extremely weird post. You complain about us being modconfirmed town but think we're town based on play so then what is the problem??? You think slam is town, there's 2 mod confirmed town so who on earth do you think is mafia????

That only leaves ve, damd, ray and you're agreeing with ve on damd so what in the hell game are you playing?

On November 12 2014 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
I just read CR's filter because it was mentioned in obsQT. How was liancourt not lynched?!

On November 13 2014 00:48 Damdred wrote:
Everyone thought iw as scum and wasn't paying attention. And as much as VE says it basically it was impossible to lynch lian with his "I won't move unless the mod confirmed masons move" and if i move with CR and Slam on lian CR still gets lynched sadly because he was first to three.