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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier. ##unvote Liancourt and oo might be scum. Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing" that is where my head is at aswell atm | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 19:53 liancourt wrote: Let me rephrase, why'd you change your opinion in a matter minutes while talking to me? Basically I asked you to give me your mafia/who you would lynch and the list seemed bad. Especially as your 3 included storr/dam over OO which makes no sense to me. You didnt want to lynch OO because he was the random which is kind of a silly defence now. yeh you explained later but he was still not one of your 3 lynches. so if you are scummy and not lynching OO, who is scummy, it is likely that BH actually got a mafia with his RNG Also I reread Grak and he was calling BH town so. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 21:42 Holyflare wrote: This guy defending obi, wtf. You say i attacked him early (24 hours after the game had started) and didn't give any reasons to vote him (i did multiple times) but then you don't even mention how he has no actual reads whatsoever or how he lied about reading gracks filter or how he literally has no real reads other than town reads based on almost nothing. His defence on why he was so town was based on his interaction with hopeless that doesn't make sense as any defence and he just whined all the time (something he has done as scum). Lians scum team is actually not bad apart from not having oo in it I think I went over all this before but. Obi wasn't saying much at the start of the game, reading through the thread obi comes in, tries to talk to dama/lian then you said something like "are you going to do something" and then vote him afterwards. I wasn't in the thread at the time so not sure about time between posts but from what I can see obi got a lot of heat from you after only a few posts. I explained the point before that he never said he filter dived. I think it was Grack not you who actually pointed this out but to me it doesn't look like a slip. I think you are being unfair to say oh he has no reads so scum. If you read, it doesn't look like he had a chance to formulate any reads before you attacked him for it, at which point he was defending himself. Once obi has finished reading the thread then I think it will be fair to judge him. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 22:16 Holyflare wrote: Obi had 24 hours of game time to read the thread, make conclusions and post reads. I can get that he is busy but the first thing he said on his return was that he was reading the thread. After about half an hour of apparently not reading the thread he returns and only repeatedly told people that what bh was doing wasn't scummy hence why I called him out on not doing anything useful because it was already stated multiple times that what BH was doing is in fact null. So not only does he skirt by with no real reads he appears to contribute in lieu of actually participating by rehashing the same thing over and over again. K well as I mentioned I didn't know how long there was between each post so to me it seemed like he posted a couple of questions and then you went crazy on his ass. But if there was a big delay then your read of him is more understandable. I still think he is town though based on his questioning of dam/lian,and his interactions with you felt like a genuinely frustrated town player. Again with the reads I think I want to here what he says once he has read the while thread. I agree with you about OO | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 22:28 Hopeless1der wrote: The parts about continuing to harp on about BH stuff is moderately useful since people continue to talk about it. Seriously guys STOP WITH THE RNG DISCUSSION. I was under the impression that obi had actually read the thread and was about to...do...things, once he'd gotten people to drop the RNG discussion. Evidently I was wrong. Obi do you have any reads based on...reading? Skimming through what happened over the night, Grack is way townier than I implied earlier. He's not only generating content, its useful content, as opposed to incessantly trolling/joking. Slam with some more g8 b8 m8. Slam why are you so scummy? Who are your partners? As with others, waiting on storr's awesome case. Oats/Kelsier discussion was really meh. Liancourt's list post is a wall of wishwash. Would #lynchwithfire. what is really meh? Liancourt's list post is a wall of wishwash. Would #lynchwithfire. #glasshouses | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: I haven't read the game yet, but this guy is probably mafia for just assuming that the people who have done literally nothing alignment indicative have somehow a high chance of flipping scum. I like this guy already | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote: Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town. The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia. So there's that. I have only ever watched storrzerg on Mafia Allstars and I think in general he likes to kind of sit back and wait D1 as both alignments. Also Storrzerg seems confident and assertive as both mafia and town so not sure if I like this as a reason to call storr town. I think he is, just not sure I believe this read. | ||
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KelsierSC
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Well the reason you give for storr being town, isn't actually a good reason because he plays that way as mafia and town. why is that bad reasoning? | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote: Because you're thinking what and I'm thinking how. But it's ok, I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not unless Storr is in some danger of being lynched. I already read storr as town, I am trying to read you and I just don't understand how YOU can say that storr is town for the reason you gave. Give me what else you got | ||
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KelsierSC
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my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me. @hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives. what makes lian different to obi ? | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote: lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote: I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG. I didn't understand its' true power. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote: I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town. Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town. Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff. Grak is town for me because at the beginning of the day he seemed really happy, excited and jokey. If you look through his filter he gave some good reasons for why BH is town , felt towny to me. He also paid close attention to what obi was saying. asking him why obi asked dama/lian specifically and then "catching" obi. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 05:04 liancourt wrote: So basically, if I put one name down as scummy and gave a valid reason for it I wouldn't be scummy for it? You and storr have very similar play tactics. Pressure one person. Yea it's good and all, but don't try to influence others into playing the way you two play. And then calling them scummy if they don't play to it. If you give a valid reason why a certain player is scum then yes that helps town. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote: What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote: It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. So just read your filter when you were discussing BH and I don't really see you pushing hard scum on him. You disliked the RNG, but then you said he was town because of a different post. then you said he felt towny but the RNG was mafia indicative. This isn't a hard push imo You also made a post saying "from D1 I got....." but BH wasn't mentioned on that list. I think one of the main issues isn't that you don't stamp everything but you haven't stamped a single thing. Even now I am not sure who you think is town or mafia. | ||
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KelsierSC
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Can you give your views on the Grak/HF/Obi interaction. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 07 2014 20:33 KelsierSC wrote: Basically I asked you to give me your mafia/who you would lynch and the list seemed bad. Especially as your 3 included storr/dam over OO which makes no sense to me. You didnt want to lynch OO because he was the random which is kind of a silly defence now. yeh you explained later but he was still not one of your 3 lynches. so if you are scummy and not lynching OO, who is scummy, it is likely that BH actually got a mafia with his RNG Also I reread Grak and he was calling BH town so. | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote: The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit. If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch. Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant. Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip. So OO got RNG'd and laughed it off and drew a train, which initially felt town to me. But as it became clear BH was serious, rather than get pissed off or fight he self voted and vanished. You haven't been here the whole game so it is a bit different in your case. I am really surprised that there is only that one thing stopping you from lynching BH | ||
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KelsierSC
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On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote: I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him. why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read. I liked him when he first posted saying lian was mafia, even though I think other people had given the reason he gave. Since then he has really fallen off. I don't like the way he got his read on you, doesn't seem genuine I didn't like how as soon as i questioned him about it he made some dumb post. I don't like how he thinks BH is scummy still I don't like how he hasn't bothered to read an important part of the thread. Or give reads on those people. On October 08 2014 04:57 Palmar wrote: I'm a slam fan. I'm not really a batsnacks fan because he's a bit of a dick. On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote: Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid. This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value. What the fuck bat is pretty clearly town and because he pressured BH that makes him stupid and of no value. yeh really don't like palmar, probably scum | ||
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